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Well this post seems to be made up almost entirely of assumptions. White flight is a thing, Google it if you don't believe me. As to numbers you said yourself there was more hostility towards immigrants in the 50s and 60s and there were considerably fewer immigrants then.
Well, if you bring up hypothetical scenarios of course there's going to be assumptions. I didn't disagree with white flight, you might want to re-read. I just gave you the reason for such, being the sheer numbers of immigrants, you don't see it happening when numbers are lower. That was a different era, when they had actual barriers. You don't see white flight happening when numbers are few?
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Well, if you bring up hypothetical scenarios of course there's going to be assumptions. I didn't disagree with white flight, you might want to re-read. I just gave you the reason for such, being the sheer numbers of immigrants, you don't see it happening when numbers are lower. That was a different era, when they had actual barriers.
You don't see white flight happening when numbers are few? You have evidence for this? The hell, you are making the claim about white flight in general, I guess I demand such from you.
But yes, show me the relevant data, that a large enough group of natives(to constitute a "white flight", wouldn't native be better now, considering we have Eastern Europe here) moving out when a small number of immigrants move in.
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You don't see white flight happening when numbers are few? You have evidence for this?
The hell, you are making the claim about white flight in general, I guess I demand such from you. But yes, show me the relevant data, that a large enough group of natives(to constitute a "white flight", wouldn't native be better now, considering we have Eastern Europe here) moving out when a small number of immigrants move in. I'm saying white flight is a real phenomenon, do you disagree?
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The hell, you are making the claim about white flight in general, I guess I demand such from you. But yes, show me the relevant data, that a large enough group of natives(to constitute a "white flight", wouldn't native be better now, considering we have Eastern Europe here) moving out when a small number of immigrants move in.
I'm saying white flight is a real phenomenon, do you disagree? So, in your opinion it is unnatural? is that correct?
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I'm saying white flight is a real phenomenon, do you disagree?
So, in your opinion it is unnatural? is that correct? I'm saying I think its interesting that its called white flight when indigenous Brits do it and ghettoisation when immigrants and their descendants do it.
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The hell, you are making the claim about white flight in general, I guess I demand such from you. But yes, show me the relevant data, that a large enough group of natives(to constitute a "white flight", wouldn't native be better now, considering we have Eastern Europe here) moving out when a small number of immigrants move in.
I'm saying white flight is a real phenomenon, do you disagree?
When have I once disagreed with it, I've only asked that you show me that it happens when there's a low amount of immigration.
In the 2001 census, the London boroughs of Newham and Brent were found to be the first areas to have non-white majorities.[61] The 2011 census found that, for the first time, less than 50% of London's population were white British, and that in some areas of London white British people make up less than 20% of the population. A 2005 report stated that white migration within the UK is mainly from areas of high ethnic minority population to those with predominantly white populations. White British families have moved out of London as many immigrants have settled in the capital. The report's writers expressed concern about British social cohesion and stated that different ethnic groups were living "parallel lives"; they were concerned that lack of contact between the groups could result in fear more readily exploited by extremists. The London School of Economics in a study found similar results
I didn't realise it was that bad in London, I kinda ignore the place, because it's mostly shit, even when I go there, I only stay at the centre, the not so shit part.
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IMHO White Flight is much misunderstood
First generation immigrants will always tend to be poorer than the populations they are moving into so they will inevitably tend to move into areas where prices and rents are lower and areas where the population are already leaving will fit that bill because of supply and demand.
IE the flight likely starts before the immigrant communities move in.
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So, in your opinion it is unnatural? is that correct?
I'm saying I think its interesting that its called white flight when indigenous Brits do it and ghettoisation when immigrants and their descendants do it. Because they never voted or asked for it.
Many of those leaving don't go to the same place, when many immigrants are convening in the same place, it not exactly the same thing.
Also many economists claim it isn't all related to immigration that it's a larger move away from urbanisation, you know the richer you are the less likely you live in built up areas.
Researcher Ludi Simpson says both white and non-white Britons who can do so economically are equally likely to leave mixed-race inner-city areas. In his opinion, these trends indicate counter urbanisation rather than white flight.
So it isn't completely comparable to ghettoisation.
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I'm saying white flight is a real phenomenon, do you disagree? When have I once disagreed with it, I've only asked that you show me that it happens when there's a low amount of immigration. In the 2001 census, the London boroughs of Newham and Brent were found to be the first areas to have non-white majorities.[61] The 2011 census found that, for the first time, less than 50% of London's population were white British, and that in some areas of London white British people make up less than 20% of the population. A 2005 report stated that white migration within the UK is mainly from areas of high ethnic minority population to those with predominantly white populations. White British families have moved out of London as many immigrants have settled in the capital. The report's writers expressed concern about British social cohesion and stated that different ethnic groups were living "parallel lives"; they were concerned that lack of contact between the groups could result in fear more readily exploited by extremists. The London School of Economics in a study found similar results I didn't realise it was that bad in London, I kinda ignore the place, because it's mostly shit, even when I go there, I only stay at the centre, the not so shit part. So if its 1 immigrant or a 1000 the hypothetical scenario I described still happens. Indigenous Brits refuse to give immigrants a chance to integrate.
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I'm saying I think its interesting that its called white flight when indigenous Brits do it and ghettoisation when immigrants and their descendants do it.
Because they never voted or asked for it. Many of those leaving don't go to the same place, when many immigrants are convening in the same place, it not exactly the same thing. Also many economists claim it isn't all related to immigration that it's a larger move away from urbanisation, you know the richer you are the less likely you live in built up areas. Researcher Ludi Simpson says both white and non-white Britons who can do so economically are equally likely to leave mixed-race inner-city areas. In his opinion, these trends indicate counter urbanisation rather than white flight. So it isn't completely comparable to ghettoisation. I never voted for or asked for the BNP, EDL etc.
I'm expected to tolerate them nonetheless yes?
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When have I once disagreed with it, I've only asked that you show me that it happens when there's a low amount of immigration. In the 2001 census, the London boroughs of Newham and Brent were found to be the first areas to have non-white majorities.[61] The 2011 census found that, for the first time, less than 50% of London's population were white British, and that in some areas of London white British people make up less than 20% of the population. A 2005 report stated that white migration within the UK is mainly from areas of high ethnic minority population to those with predominantly white populations. White British families have moved out of London as many immigrants have settled in the capital. The report's writers expressed concern about British social cohesion and stated that different ethnic groups were living "parallel lives"; they were concerned that lack of contact between the groups could result in fear more readily exploited by extremists. The London School of Economics in a study found similar results I didn't realise it was that bad in London, I kinda ignore the place, because it's mostly shit, even when I go there, I only stay at the centre, the not so shit part.
So if its 1 immigrant or a 1000 the hypothetical scenario I described still happens. Indigenous Brits refuse to give immigrants a chance to integrate. What is with this random scenarios of native oppression.
There's been so accepting they just gave London away, so oppressive.
I don't care about these hypothetical scenarios, lets talk about the increasing issues that have arisen, you know lower wages, more job competition with high unemployment, house shortage and house price rise, cultural and religious issues, as the numbers increase they seem to be getting worse.
You seem to make it a moral argument all the time, I don't, but the continuing issues which aren't being addressed out of fear of being immoral/slashed being called every buzzword under the sun, isn't helping.
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So if its 1 immigrant or a 1000 the hypothetical scenario I described still happens. Indigenous Brits refuse to give immigrants a chance to integrate. That's similarly broadbrush and false
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Because they never voted or asked for it. Many of those leaving don't go to the same place, when many immigrants are convening in the same place, it not exactly the same thing. Also many economists claim it isn't all related to immigration that it's a larger move away from urbanisation, you know the richer you are the less likely you live in built up areas. Researcher Ludi Simpson says both white and non-white Britons who can do so economically are equally likely to leave mixed-race inner-city areas. In his opinion, these trends indicate counter urbanisation rather than white flight. So it isn't completely comparable to ghettoisation.
I never voted for or asked for the BNP, EDL etc. I'm expected to tolerate them nonetheless yes? But you don't tolerant them and you haven't voted for them, you are also very vocal against them, that is the opposite of tolerant, also you are protected under British law and again when have they ever affected your life, unlike mass migration which effects a large portion of the population.
They even tell you when they go on rallies, even easier to avoid them.
Again, you've made this a personal and micro issue, instead of a national or at-least town wide issue.
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So if its 1 immigrant or a 1000 the hypothetical scenario I described still happens. Indigenous Brits refuse to give immigrants a chance to integrate.
That's similarly broadbrush and false Yes that was a typo, SOME indigenous Brits refuse to give them a chance.
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I didn't realise it was that bad in London, I kinda ignore the place, because it's mostly shit, even when I go there, I only stay at the centre, the not so shit part.
So if its 1 immigrant or a 1000 the hypothetical scenario I described still happens. Indigenous Brits refuse to give immigrants a chance to integrate.
What is with this random scenarios of native oppression. There's been so accepting they just gave London away, so oppressive. I don't care about these hypothetical scenarios, lets talk about the increasing issues that have arisen, you know lower wages, more job competition with high unemployment, house shortage and house price rise, cultural and religious issues, as the numbers increase they seem to be getting worse. You seem to make it a moral argument all the time, I don't, but the continuing issues which aren't being addressed out of fear of being immoral/slashed being called every buzzword under the sun, isn't helping. And those issues only affect indigenous Brits do they?
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I never voted for or asked for the BNP, EDL etc. I'm expected to tolerate them nonetheless yes?
But you don't tolerant them and you haven't voted for them, you are also very vocal against them, that is the opposite of tolerant, also you are protected under British law and again when have they ever affected your life, unlike mass migration which effects a large portion of the population. They even tell you when they go on rallies, even easier to avoid them. Again, you've made this a personal and micro issue, instead of a national or at-least town wide issue. So intolerance towards entire groups of people is fine so long as you didn't ask or vote for them?
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What is with this random scenarios of native oppression. There's been so accepting they just gave London away, so oppressive. I don't care about these hypothetical scenarios, lets talk about the increasing issues that have arisen, you know lower wages, more job competition with high unemployment, house shortage and house price rise, cultural and religious issues, as the numbers increase they seem to be getting worse. You seem to make it a moral argument all the time, I don't, but the continuing issues which aren't being addressed out of fear of being immoral/slashed being called every buzzword under the sun, isn't helping.
And those issues only affect indigenous Brits do they? I didn't actually say that, no straw-manning please.
But considering the majority of the population is still ethnically British, so they are the most affected by such, well by pure numbers.
But you can see the increase in past immigrants also disagreeing with the current immigration policy.
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But you don't tolerant them and you haven't voted for them, you are also very vocal against them, that is the opposite of tolerant, also you are protected under British law and again when have they ever affected your life, unlike mass migration which effects a large portion of the population. They even tell you when they go on rallies, even easier to avoid them. Again, you've made this a personal and micro issue, instead of a national or at-least town wide issue.
So intolerance towards entire groups of people is fine so long as you didn't ask or vote for them? Has anyone ever been hurt by intolerance, I am intolerant to Socialists, Communists & Anarchist, they seem to be doing fine.
SteveK is very intolerant to Tommy Robson using a another thread as an example, but he seems to be doing fine.
I think issues rises is when you hate something, intolerance isn't hate, probably more closer to strongly disagree.
Though I wouldn't begrudge them being upset about something they never asked for, but has been dumped on them, at-least let they be some form of interaction.
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And those issues only affect indigenous Brits do they?
I didn't actually say that, no straw-manning please. But considering the majority of the population is still ethnically British, so they are the most affected by such, well by pure numbers. But you can see the increase in past immigrants also disagreeing with the current immigration policy. Well actually no, most indigenous Brits don't live in London, many, if not most live in areas with little or no immigration.
Most immigrants and their descendants on the other hand will not be able to carry out their daily lives without interaction of some sort with the indigenous population.
So if there is hostility in both camps, immigrants and their descendants are mathematically more likely to experience it.
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So intolerance towards entire groups of people is fine so long as you didn't ask or vote for them?
Has anyone ever been hurt by intolerance, I am intolerant to Socialists, Communists & Anarchist, they seem to be doing fine. SteveK is very intolerant to Tommy Robson using a another thread as an example, but he seems to be doing fine. I think issues rises is when you hate something, intolerance isn't hate, probably more closer to strongly disagree. Though I wouldn't begrudge them being upset about something they never asked for, but has been dumped on them, at-least let they be some form of interaction. Has anyone ever been hurt by intolerance?
Wow.
Just wow.
Why don't you start by reading a history book. Any history book.
Failing that, watch the news.
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I didn't actually say that, no straw-manning please. But considering the majority of the population is still ethnically British, so they are the most affected by such, well by pure numbers. But you can see the increase in past immigrants also disagreeing with the current immigration policy.
Well actually no, most indigenous Brits don't live in London, many, if not most live in areas with little or no immigration. Most immigrants and their descendants on the other hand will not be able to carry out their daily lives without interaction of some sort with the indigenous population. So if there is hostility in both camps, immigrants and their descendants are mathematically more likely to experience it. Still a very large number of ethnic Brits are involved, there's still millions in London and most major cities, not counting the hundreds of large towns, so again Brits would still be the largest affected group.
But why would there be hostility, as you've already gleamed I am quite anti-immigration, well mass, but I still get on with people and I tell them straight up, doesn't seem to cause riots.
Again your premise that natives should be more welcoming holds no water, they've been very good, it's down to immigrants to make the effort, which a large number aren't, 40 - 50 years ago, you might have had a point, but not anymore.
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Has anyone ever been hurt by intolerance, I am intolerant to Socialists, Communists & Anarchist, they seem to be doing fine. SteveK is very intolerant to Tommy Robson using a another thread as an example, but he seems to be doing fine. I think issues rises is when you hate something, intolerance isn't hate, probably more closer to strongly disagree. Though I wouldn't begrudge them being upset about something they never asked for, but has been dumped on them, at-least let they be some form of interaction.
Has anyone ever been hurt by intolerance? Wow. Just wow. Why don't you start by reading a history book. Any history book. Failing that, watch the news. You making another mistake, did their intolerance cause said action or is it just a indicator of disagreement, could a deeper emotion like hatred be the cause of such.
It seems you are attributing violence is caused by intolerance, no-one could make that claim, it's too simplistic.
I am intolerant to the the bible I haven't blown up a church or killed a follower of that religion.
"unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behaviour that differ from one's own."
Nothing to do with violence, at-least not directly related.
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Well actually no, most indigenous Brits don't live in London, many, if not most live in areas with little or no immigration. Most immigrants and their descendants on the other hand will not be able to carry out their daily lives without interaction of some sort with the indigenous population. So if there is hostility in both camps, immigrants and their descendants are mathematically more likely to experience it.
Still a very large number of ethnic Brits are involved, there's still millions in London and most major cities, not counting the hundreds of large towns, so again Brits would still be the largest affected group. But why would there be hostility, as you've already gleamed I am quite anti-immigration, well mass, but I still get on with people and I tell them straight up, doesn't seem to cause riots. Again your premise that natives should be more welcoming holds no water, they've been very good, it's down to immigrants to make the effort, which a large number aren't, 40 - 50 years ago, you might have had a point, but not anymore. 40-50 years ago I may have had a point but not now?
And you know this how?
This whole conversation started with you accusing middle class liberals being ignorant of the lives and experiences of working class indigenous Brits.
How much direct experience do you have of what life is like for immigrants and their descendants in contemporary Britain?
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Still a very large number of ethnic Brits are involved, there's still millions in London and most major cities, not counting the hundreds of large towns, so again Brits would still be the largest affected group. But why would there be hostility, as you've already gleamed I am quite anti-immigration, well mass, but I still get on with people and I tell them straight up, doesn't seem to cause riots. Again your premise that natives should be more welcoming holds no water, they've been very good, it's down to immigrants to make the effort, which a large number aren't, 40 - 50 years ago, you might have had a point, but not anymore.
40-50 years ago I may have had a point but not now? And you know this how? This whole conversation started with you accusing middle class liberals being ignorant of the lives and experiences of working class indigenous Brits. How much direct experience do you have of what life is like for immigrants and their descendants in contemporary Britain? I'm just going to say Slough, good enough response, saying I don't know what it's like to live around immigrants and their descents, that gave me a good chuckle.
But you don't have a point when it relates to now, or even the last 20 years and further in some cases.
There's no obstacles to integration, except for their own intransigence to the idea of integration.
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So, in your opinion it is unnatural? is that correct?
I'm saying I think its interesting that its called white flight when indigenous Brits do it and ghettoisation when immigrants and their descendants do it. And what is your opinion regarding non white "in flight"?
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Has anyone ever been hurt by intolerance? Wow. Just wow. Why don't you start by reading a history book. Any history book. Failing that, watch the news.
You making another mistake, did their intolerance cause said action or is it just a indicator of disagreement, could a deeper emotion like hatred be the cause of such. It seems you are attributing violence is caused by intolerance, no-one could make that claim, it's too simplistic. I am intolerant to the the bible I haven't blown up a church or killed a follower of that religion. "unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behaviour that differ from one's own." Nothing to do with violence, at-least not directly related. You may not have, but the entire history of our species is gushing with the blood of people killed by the intolerant.
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You making another mistake, did their intolerance cause said action or is it just a indicator of disagreement, could a deeper emotion like hatred be the cause of such. It seems you are attributing violence is caused by intolerance, no-one could make that claim, it's too simplistic. I am intolerant to the the bible I haven't blown up a church or killed a follower of that religion. "unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behaviour that differ from one's own." Nothing to do with violence, at-least not directly related.
You may not have, but the entire history of our species is gushing with the blood of people killed by the intolerant. Then your accusation falls flat, because your main argument is #notallmigrants
But you not giving the same viewpoint to intolerance.
Just maybe we shouldn't use one word as indicative of a whole action. I am pretty sure anger, hatred, obsession and so on had something to do with it all that bloodshed, also a lot to do with power crazy men leading people who had to go around waging war just so they could help their families.
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40-50 years ago I may have had a point but not now? And you know this how? This whole conversation started with you accusing middle class liberals being ignorant of the lives and experiences of working class indigenous Brits. How much direct experience do you have of what life is like for immigrants and their descendants in contemporary Britain?
I'm just going to say Slough, good enough response, saying I don't know what it's like to live around immigrants and their descents, that gave me a good chuckle. But you don't have a point when it relates to now, or even the last 20 years and further in some cases. There's no obstacles to integration, except for their own intransigence to the idea of integration. No obstacles to integration?
So the BNP, EDL, Britain First, Blood and Honour etc are figments of my imagination?
Every single indigenous Brit without exception has welcomed each and every immigrant with open arms and its just the ungrateful immigrants causing all the problems?
You are just like the middle class lefties you deride, you refuse point blank to see the other guys point of view.
A pox on both your houses.
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I'm just going to say Slough, good enough response, saying I don't know what it's like to live around immigrants and their descents, that gave me a good chuckle. But you don't have a point when it relates to now, or even the last 20 years and further in some cases. There's no obstacles to integration, except for their own intransigence to the idea of integration.
No obstacles to integration? So the BNP, EDL, Britain First, Blood and Honour etc are figments of my imagination? Every single indigenous Brit without exception has welcomed each and every immigrant with open arms and its just the ungrateful immigrants causing all the problems? You are just like the middle class lefties you deride, you refuse point blank to see the other guys point of view. A pox on both your houses. But they aren't, they even tell you when they go on rallies, also they are more commonly attacked by others then they attack people, everywhere they go anti-protesters dressed up in black attack them.
These aren't the boogeymen you paint them to be.
The vast majority have been welcoming to say otherwise would be a lie.
I've read your faux moral hypothetical arguments that don't hold no sway.
Wow a pox, well, how intolerant, by your reasoning I am unable to integrate now I feel very unwelcome in this place now
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No obstacles to integration? So the BNP, EDL, Britain First, Blood and Honour etc are figments of my imagination? Every single indigenous Brit without exception has welcomed each and every immigrant with open arms and its just the ungrateful immigrants causing all the problems? You are just like the middle class lefties you deride, you refuse point blank to see the other guys point of view. A pox on both your houses.
But they aren't, they even tell you when they go on rallies, also they are more commonly attacked by others then they attack people, everywhere they go anti-protesters dressed up in black attack them. These aren't the boogeymen you paint them to be. The vast majority have been welcoming to say otherwise would be a lie. I've read your faux moral hypothetical arguments that don't hold no sway. Wow a pox, well, how intolerant, by your reasoning I am unable to integrate now I feel very unwelcome in this place now The vast majority are welcoming?
What about all those indigenous Brits you told me about who don't accept immigrants?
Have they all disappeared in the last few minutes?
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But they aren't, they even tell you when they go on rallies, also they are more commonly attacked by others then they attack people, everywhere they go anti-protesters dressed up in black attack them. These aren't the boogeymen you paint them to be. The vast majority have been welcoming to say otherwise would be a lie. I've read your faux moral hypothetical arguments that don't hold no sway. Wow a pox, well, how intolerant, by your reasoning I am unable to integrate now I feel very unwelcome in this place now
The vast majority are welcoming? What about all those indigenous Brits you told me about who don't accept immigrants? Have they all disappeared in the last few minutes? Let me get this right, you think I go around, just punching and cussing at immigrants? Admittedly it would be good fighting practice.
But I don't, and I'm guessing the vast majority who disagree with mass migration neither do as-well.
These straw-mans and caricatures you build aren't healthy, I can only imagine, that you see me in full neo-nazis regalia rallying the storm-troopers to bust down a local Mosque.
And yes the vast majority have been very well behaved, you saying otherwise is perplexing.
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Oh not this post again,is this one you bring out on special occasions ?
Want some pork scratchings with your bitter?
Very good lol !
No I must decline I'm afraid ,having converted to Islam 4 months ago ,i'll have what your having ,a glass of water and some wet wipes .
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OK let's end all that jibing there
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But you don't tolerant them and you haven't voted for them, you are also very vocal against them, that is the opposite of tolerant, also you are protected under British law and again when have they ever affected your life, unlike mass migration which effects a large portion of the population. They even tell you when they go on rallies, even easier to avoid them. Again, you've made this a personal and micro issue, instead of a national or at-least town wide issue.
So intolerance towards entire groups of people is fine so long as you didn't ask or vote for them?
That would depend on what form that intolerance took ,each to their own ,you wouldn't want to force someone to change their feelings or opinions would you ? That might be considered to be showing intolerance.
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The vast majority are welcoming? What about all those indigenous Brits you told me about who don't accept immigrants? Have they all disappeared in the last few minutes?
Let me get this right, you think I go around, just punching and cussing at immigrants? Admittedly it would be good fighting practice. But I don't, and I'm guessing the vast majority who disagree with mass migration neither do as-well. These straw-mans and caricatures you build aren't healthy, I can only imagine, that you see me in full neo-nazis regalia rallying the storm-troopers to bust down a local Mosque. And yes the vast majority have been very well behaved, you saying otherwise is perplexing. Accept of course I haven't said any of those things about you. What was that you were saying about straw manning?
And its you saying that lots of Brits don't accept immigrants and shouldn't do either remember?
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Want some pork scratchings with your bitter?
Very good lol ! No I must decline I'm afraid ,having converted to Islam 4 months ago ,i'll have what your having ,a glass of water and some wet wipes . I'm half Irish and my wife's family are Punjabi, if I drank water I'd be disowned 😂
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So if its 1 immigrant or a 1000 the hypothetical scenario I described still happens. Indigenous Brits refuse to give immigrants a chance to integrate.
That's similarly broadbrush and false
Yes that was a typo, SOME indigenous Brits refuse to give them a chance. What would YOU interpret as 'a chance'?
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Yes that was a typo, SOME indigenous Brits refuse to give them a chance.
What would YOU interpret as 'a chance'? Treating them with the same degree of respect as the indigenous population.
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Let me get this right, you think I go around, just punching and cussing at immigrants? Admittedly it would be good fighting practice. But I don't, and I'm guessing the vast majority who disagree with mass migration neither do as-well. These straw-mans and caricatures you build aren't healthy, I can only imagine, that you see me in full neo-nazis regalia rallying the storm-troopers to bust down a local Mosque. And yes the vast majority have been very well behaved, you saying otherwise is perplexing.
Accept of course I haven't said any of those things about you. What was that you were saying about straw manning? And its you saying that lots of Brits don't accept immigrants and shouldn't do either remember? Yes you did, by saying that a person who's anti-immigration, they'd be in turn would automatically unwelcoming, it is not I, who falsely characterised people who disagree with migration.
There would be some, but as there hasn't be any mass riots, one can only assume they the majority disagree with good grace.
Again with this false narrative, natives have been doing amazing in the last 20 years, it's migrants turn to do their part, sadly a large number aren't.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepSOME indigenous Brits refuse to give them a chance.
What would YOU interpret as 'a chance'?
Treating them with the same degree of respect as the indigenous population. Respect is earned, not giving, one of the worst changes in modern society, unearned respect.
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