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Accept of course I haven't said any of those things about you. What was that you were saying about straw manning? And its you saying that lots of Brits don't accept immigrants and shouldn't do either remember?
Yes you did, by saying that a person who's anti-immigration, they'd be in turn would automatically unwelcoming, it is not I, who falsely characterised people who disagree with migration. There would be some, but as there hasn't be any mass riots, one can only assume they the majority disagree with good grace. Again with this false narrative, natives have been doing amazing in the last 20 years, it's migrants turn to do their part, sadly a large number aren't. You talk about false narratives then claim natives have been "amazing" and migrants don't do their part when you personally know/have met considerably less than 1% of both.
I know for a fact from personal experience that neither of your above claims are entirely true.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepSOME indigenous Brits refuse to give them a chance.
Treating them with the same degree of respect as the indigenous population.
Respect is earned, not giving, one of the worst changes in modern society, unearned respect. Exactly, respect is a two way street, if we all give each other respect we'll get it back.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepSOME indigenous Brits refuse to give them a chance.
Respect is earned, not giving, one of the worst changes in modern society, unearned respect.
Exactly, respect is a two way street, if we all give each other respect we'll get it back. Never give it, it is earned, first mistake. I was never respected from my parents until I earned it, there comes a point where you don't even have to be told it, you just know.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepSOME indigenous Brits refuse to give them a chance.
Exactly, respect is a two way street, if we all give each other respect we'll get it back.
Never give it, it is earned, first mistake. I was never respected from my parents until I earned it, there comes a point where you don't even have to told it, you just know. But some people refuse to give respect even when it has been earned. They are the ones causing problems.
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Yes you did, by saying that a person who's anti-immigration, they'd be in turn would automatically unwelcoming, it is not I, who falsely characterised people who disagree with migration. There would be some, but as there hasn't be any mass riots, one can only assume they the majority disagree with good grace. Again with this false narrative, natives have been doing amazing in the last 20 years, it's migrants turn to do their part, sadly a large number aren't.
You talk about false narratives then claim natives have been "amazing" and migrants don't do their part when you personally know/have met considerably less than 1% of both. I know for a fact from personal experience that neither of your above claims are entirely true. You know it's right, hence the constant stream, if this was a place of hostility then less would come and many would leave, hence Russia gets a small number of people going there, or pick any other place openly hostile.
There is now a large number of people who are anti-migration, but are good or neutral to immigrants, you are riding this false narrative of open hostility and rejection.
Again it's down to the migrants currently here, if they stop attacking each-other as-well, trust me it's hard to understand when they start shouting at each-other in their native tongue.
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You talk about false narratives then claim natives have been "amazing" and migrants don't do their part when you personally know/have met considerably less than 1% of both. I know for a fact from personal experience that neither of your above claims are entirely true.
You know it's right, hence the constant stream, if this was a place of hostility then less would come and many would leave, hence Russia gets a small number of people going there, or pick any other place openly hostile. There is now a large number of people who are anti-migration, but are good or neutral to immigrants, you are riding this false narrative of open hostility and rejection. Again it's down to the migrants currently here, if they stop attacking each-other as-well, trust me it's hard to understand when they start shouting at each-other in their native tongue. How do you know most of these anti-immigration people are good to neutral towards immigrants?
Got your magic glasses on again?
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepSOME indigenous Brits refuse to give them a chance.
Never give it, it is earned, first mistake. I was never respected from my parents until I earned it, there comes a point where you don't even have to told it, you just know.
But some people refuse to give respect even when it has been earned. They are the ones causing problems. And they are a minority, who at best don't do anything either, there's millions of others to interact with.
Again, this weak narrative you are sowing, the problem is on their end, the state helps them and the populace is neutral or mostly nice.
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You know it's right, hence the constant stream, if this was a place of hostility then less would come and many would leave, hence Russia gets a small number of people going there, or pick any other place openly hostile. There is now a large number of people who are anti-migration, but are good or neutral to immigrants, you are riding this false narrative of open hostility and rejection. Again it's down to the migrants currently here, if they stop attacking each-other as-well, trust me it's hard to understand when they start shouting at each-other in their native tongue.
How do you know most of these anti-immigration people are good to neutral towards immigrants? Got your magic glasses on again? Because polls would show it, or the news, do you really think open hostility or rejection would not be on the news.
How many times have you seen an investigation of the BNP or similar.
Considering the fact there isn't constant open hostility between the two groups.
I would actually demand you to prove your assertion that the natives aren't doing enough, we know a large number of migrant are forming ghettos, you claim it's natives fault or at-least partially, you should prove that.
Natives are using the elections to show disapproval, not rudeness or hostility.
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How do you know most of these anti-immigration people are good to neutral towards immigrants? Got your magic glasses on again?
Because polls would show it, or the news, do you really think open hostility or rejection would not be on the news. How many times have you seen an investigation of the BNP or similar. Considering the fact there isn't constant open hostility between the two groups. I was actually demand you prove your assertion that the natives aren't doing enough, we know they are forming ghettos, you claim it's natives fault, you should prove that. Do you really think every instance of hostility, disrespect or rudeness towards immigrants and their descendants makes the national news?
Certainly none of the ones I have experienced have.
What polls are there that prove most anti-immigration people are good to neutral towards immigrants?
And I have never claimed that ghettoisation is the natives fault. My argument has always been that there is fault on BOTH sides, you are the one claiming that one side is entirely guilty and the other entirely innocent.
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Because polls would show it, or the news, do you really think open hostility or rejection would not be on the news. How many times have you seen an investigation of the BNP or similar. Considering the fact there isn't constant open hostility between the two groups. I was actually demand you prove your assertion that the natives aren't doing enough, we know they are forming ghettos, you claim it's natives fault, you should prove that.
Do you really think every instance of hostility, disrespect or rudeness towards immigrants and their descendants makes the national news? Certainly none of the ones I have experienced have. What polls are there that prove most anti-immigration people are good to neutral towards immigrants? And I have never claimed that ghettoisation is the natives fault. My argument has always been that there is fault on BOTH sides, you are the one claiming that one side is entirely guilty and the other entirely innocent. Well, yes, we were having a debate on hate crime reports, so yes, there is, which also showed a really small minority and even then it's just reports
Also polls are always showing data on immigration and relations, so again yes.
THEY HAVE FREE WILL, and you haven't shown a connection between native's actions that contributes to ghettoisation, but there's a definite connection of free will and them forming ghettos.
You haven't shown a single action, poll, report... but I can point to them actually forming said ghettos.
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Do you really think every instance of hostility, disrespect or rudeness towards immigrants and their descendants makes the national news? Certainly none of the ones I have experienced have. What polls are there that prove most anti-immigration people are good to neutral towards immigrants? And I have never claimed that ghettoisation is the natives fault. My argument has always been that there is fault on BOTH sides, you are the one claiming that one side is entirely guilty and the other entirely innocent.
Well, yes, we were having a debate on hate crime reports, so yes, there is, which also showed a really small minority and even then it's just reports Also polls are always showing data on immigration and relations, so again yes. THEY HAVE FREE WILL, and you haven't shown a connection between native's actions that contributes to ghettoisation, but there's a definite connection of free will and them forming ghettos. You haven't shown a single action, poll, report... but I can point to them actually forming said ghettos. Well the news reports recently have been about an increase in attacks against immigrants and ethnic minorities.
Where are these polls that back up your claims?
And I've never claimed that natives cause ghettoisation so why would I need to prove it.
I have pointed out that as well as ghettoisation there is also the existence of white flight, like I said, fault on BOTH sides.
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Well, yes, we were having a debate on hate crime reports, so yes, there is, which also showed a really small minority and even then it's just reports Also polls are always showing data on immigration and relations, so again yes. THEY HAVE FREE WILL, and you haven't shown a connection between native's actions that contributes to ghettoisation, but there's a definite connection of free will and them forming ghettos. You haven't shown a single action, poll, report... but I can point to them actually forming said ghettos.
Well the news reports recently have been about an increase in attacks against immigrants and ethnic minorities. Where are these polls that back up your claims? And I've never claimed that natives cause ghettoisation so why would I need to prove it. I have pointed out that as well as ghettoisation there is also the existence of white flight, like I said, fault on BOTH sides. A very small number of REPORTS not convictions, yes, proving you wrong, it shows there's data and reports on such issues.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/14.3, oh look I found a report referencing polls.
Yes you have, that's your whole narrative.
But me & Steve showed it isn't comparable, that might have had some connections, but then most of those people didn't form up in the same place, I can show you the references again if you want.
Immigrants are forming ghettos willingly in essence making a mini-country, because they don't want to integrate, it's their own free-will, no coercion by the natives, then those places become a place of hostility for natives.
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Well the news reports recently have been about an increase in attacks against immigrants and ethnic minorities. Where are these polls that back up your claims? And I've never claimed that natives cause ghettoisation so why would I need to prove it. I have pointed out that as well as ghettoisation there is also the existence of white flight, like I said, fault on BOTH sides.
A very small number of REPORTS not convictions, yes, proving you wrong, it shows there's data and reports on such issues. https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/14.3, oh look I found a report referencing polls. Yes you have, that's your whole narrative. But me & Steve showed it isn't comparable, that might have had some connection, but then most of those people didn't form up in the same place, I can show you the references again if you want. Immigrants are forming ghettos willingly in essence making a mini-country, because they don't want to integrate, it's their own free-will, no coercion by the natives. The poll you presented does not in any way back up your claim that most anti-immigration people are good to neutral towards immigrants.
Your claim that I blame natives for ghettoisation is also false. Either provide evidence or retract this accusation please.
SOME immigrants are forming ghettos. SOME.
Do you understand the word "some"?
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A very small number of REPORTS not convictions, yes, proving you wrong, it shows there's data and reports on such issues. https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/14.3, oh look I found a report referencing polls. Yes you have, that's your whole narrative. But me & Steve showed it isn't comparable, that might have had some connection, but then most of those people didn't form up in the same place, I can show you the references again if you want. Immigrants are forming ghettos willingly in essence making a mini-country, because they don't want to integrate, it's their own free-will, no coercion by the natives.
The poll you presented does not in any way back up your claim that most anti-immigration people are good to neutral towards immigrants. Your claim that I blame natives for ghettoisation is also false. Either provide evidence or retract this accusation please. SOME immigrants are forming ghettos. SOME. Do you understand the word "some"? We no longer doing this.
You put up, or shut up, I am tried fighting in the dirt with you, it's boring.
"The vast majority are welcoming?
What about all those indigenous Brits you told me about who don't accept immigrants?" Shows you doubt the claim that the majority are welcoming or at-least neutral.
Prove that natives are hurting integration, a vast majority.
I have been doing the leg work, you haven't, time to put some work in.
We are going to do a number system now.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/14.3, oh look I found a report referencing polls. Yes you have, that's your whole narrative. But me & Steve showed it isn't comparable, that might have had some connection, but then most of those people didn't form up in the same place, I can show you the references again if you want. Immigrants are forming ghettos willingly in essence making a mini-country, because they don't want to integrate, it's their own free-will, no coercion by the natives.
The poll you presented does not in any way back up your claim that most anti-immigration people are good to neutral towards immigrants. Your claim that I blame natives for ghettoisation is also false. Either provide evidence or retract this accusation please. SOME immigrants are forming ghettos. SOME. Do you understand the word "some"?
We no longer doing this. You put up, or shut up, I am tried fighting in the dirt with you, it's boring. "The vast majority are welcoming? What about all those indigenous Brits you told me about who don't accept immigrants?" Shows you doubt the claim that the majority are welcoming. Prove that natives are hurting integration, a vast majority. I have been doing the leg work, you haven't, time to put some work in. We are going to do a number system now. Again, I never claimed that the vast majority of natives are hurting integration so I'm not going to back up a claim I haven't made and don't believe is true.
Any news on your evidence that most anti-immigration people are good to neutral towards immigrants?
Or your claim that I blame natives for ghettoisation?
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We no longer doing this. You put up, or shut up, I am tried fighting in the dirt with you, it's boring. "The vast majority are welcoming? What about all those indigenous Brits you told me about who don't accept immigrants?" Shows you doubt the claim that the majority are welcoming. Prove that natives are hurting integration, a vast majority. I have been doing the leg work, you haven't, time to put some work in. We are going to do a number system now.
Again, I never claimed that the vast majority of natives are hurting integration so I'm not going to back up a claim I haven't made and don't believe is true. Any news on your evidence that most anti-immigration people are good to neutral towards immigrants? Or your claim that I blame natives for ghettoisation? Numbers remember, I don't want you dragging us in the dirt again.
1)You first sentence completely invalidates your argument, that was the only taking point.
2)Actually you do need to prove it, because you are claiming it's affected integration, remember the default is neither, but you claimed it could affect such, so it's down you to prove.
3)I did with quotes, your whole argument is that people not liking migration hurts integration once you understand the default is neither, it's down to you to prove your assertion.
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Again, I never claimed that the vast majority of natives are hurting integration so I'm not going to back up a claim I haven't made and don't believe is true. Any news on your evidence that most anti-immigration people are good to neutral towards immigrants? Or your claim that I blame natives for ghettoisation?
Numbers remember, I don't want you dragging us in the dirt again. 1)You first sentence completely invalidates your argument, that was the only taking point. 2)Actually you do need to prove it, because you are claiming it's affected integration, remember the default is neither, but you claimed it could affect such, so it's down you to prove. 3)I did with quotes, your whole argument is that people not liking migration hurts integration once you understand the default is neither, it's down to prove your assertion. I have never claimed that the vast majority are hurting integration. I am not going to back up a claim I haven't made and don't believe is true.
Interesting though that you are demanding proof from me but have repeatedly failed to provide evidence to back up your claims that:
1. Most anti-immigration people are good to neutral towards immigrants.
2. I claimed that ghettoisation is the fault of natives.
If you fail to provide it again I shall take it as an indication on your part that you have conceded the point.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepSOME indigenous Brits refuse to give them a chance.
Treating them with the same degree of respect as the indigenous population.
Respect is earned, not giving, one of the worst changes in modern society, unearned respect. Regrettibly we have 'progressed' from duties and responsibilities to the bright sunlit uplands of 'my rights' - ah, and just what are 'my rights' - well hell, that is more to do with personal 'perceptions and feelings' than anyone else's perceptions and feelings - innit.
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Numbers remember, I don't want you dragging us in the dirt again. 1)You first sentence completely invalidates your argument, that was the only taking point. 2)Actually you do need to prove it, because you are claiming it's affected integration, remember the default is neither, but you claimed it could affect such, so it's down you to prove. 3)I did with quotes, your whole argument is that people not liking migration hurts integration once you understand the default is neither, it's down to prove your assertion.
I have never claimed that the vast majority are hurting integration. I am not going to back up a claim I haven't made and don't believe is true. Interesting though that you are demanding proof from me but have repeatedly failed to provide evidence to back up your claims that: 1. Most anti-immigration people are good to neutral towards immigrants. 2. I claimed that ghettoisation is the fault of natives. If you fail to provide it again I shall take it as an indication on your part that you have conceded the point. 1)Considering the reports are negligible of crime against immigrants, also if we aren't expecting natives to have do anything special. I think it comes down to you to prove any action that natives are doing which is detrimental, even being neutral to migrants is an acceptable response.
2)See you trying to fight in the dirt again, your whole claim is natives as a majority have a part to play when it comes to ghettoisation, not once have you proven that, not once, so I am going to ask you do something you rarely do and actually back up what you say.
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You are implying that people who don't accept migration are actively hurting integration, that's something you have to prove, even the loudest aren't doing much, a rally here and there, nothing more and those are a very small minority.
The rest just wait for elections to show disapproval.
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I have never claimed that the vast majority are hurting integration. I am not going to back up a claim I haven't made and don't believe is true. Interesting though that you are demanding proof from me but have repeatedly failed to provide evidence to back up your claims that: 1. Most anti-immigration people are good to neutral towards immigrants. 2. I claimed that ghettoisation is the fault of natives. If you fail to provide it again I shall take it as an indication on your part that you have conceded the point.
1)Considering the reports are negligible of crime against immigrants, also if we aren't expecting natives to have do anything special. I think it comes down to you to prove any action that natives are doing which is detrimental, even being neutral to migrants is an acceptable response. 2)See you trying to fight in the dirt again, your whole claim is natives as a majority have a part to play when it comes to ghettoisation, not once have you proven that, not once, so I am going to ask you do something you rarely do and actually back up what you say. - Quote:
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What about all those indigenous Brits you told me about who don't accept immigrants?
You are implying that people who don't accept migration are actively hurting integration, that's something you have to prove, even the loudest aren't doing much, a rally here and there, nothing more and those are a very small minority. The rest just wait for elections to show disapproval. 1. I am under no obligation to do anything, its your claim and its clear you can't back it up so I'll leave it there.
2. I don't have to prove a claim I never made, you can't back up your claim that I did make said claim, again I will leave it there.
As to your quotation it wasn't a claim, it was a question regarding two apparently contradictory statements made by you. So again, there is no claim for me to back up.
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Well, yes, we were having a debate on hate crime reports, so yes, there is, which also showed a really small minority and even then it's just reports Also polls are always showing data on immigration and relations, so again yes. THEY HAVE FREE WILL, and you haven't shown a connection between native's actions that contributes to ghettoisation, but there's a definite connection of free will and them forming ghettos. You haven't shown a single action, poll, report... but I can point to them actually forming said ghettos.
Well the news reports recently have been about an increase in attacks against immigrants and ethnic minorities. Where are these polls that back up your claims? And I've never claimed that natives cause ghettoisation so why would I need to prove it. I have pointed out that as well as ghettoisation there is also the existence of white flight, like I said, fault on BOTH sides.
And what proof do you have of such claims? Seems your the one with the magic wand.
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Well the news reports recently have been about an increase in attacks against immigrants and ethnic minorities. Where are these polls that back up your claims? And I've never claimed that natives cause ghettoisation so why would I need to prove it. I have pointed out that as well as ghettoisation there is also the existence of white flight, like I said, fault on BOTH sides.
And what proof do you have of such claims? Seems your the one with the magic wand. What claims?
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1)Considering the reports are negligible of crime against immigrants, also if we aren't expecting natives to have do anything special. I think it comes down to you to prove any action that natives are doing which is detrimental, even being neutral to migrants is an acceptable response. 2)See you trying to fight in the dirt again, your whole claim is natives as a majority have a part to play when it comes to ghettoisation, not once have you proven that, not once, so I am going to ask you do something you rarely do and actually back up what you say. - Quote:
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What about all those indigenous Brits you told me about who don't accept immigrants?
You are implying that people who don't accept migration are actively hurting integration, that's something you have to prove, even the loudest aren't doing much, a rally here and there, nothing more and those are a very small minority. The rest just wait for elections to show disapproval.
1. I am under no obligation to do anything, its your claim and its clear you can't back it up so I'll leave it there. 2. I don't have to prove a claim I never made, you can't back up your claim that I did make said claim, again I will leave it there. As to your quotation it wasn't a claim, it was a question regarding two apparently contradictory statements made by you. So again, there is no claim for me to back up. 1)You did make a claim, it's down to you to show it.
Considering the low crime rate between natives and immigrants proves they've been behaving, also you don't see riots either.
So you saying there's no proof of that is a lie.
2)Biggest problem about you is that you hardly make any claims and then just twist what other people say, kinda bad form by you.
Hence why I called it dragging people into mud, there's no clear claim or counter claim.
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1. I am under no obligation to do anything, its your claim and its clear you can't back it up so I'll leave it there. 2. I don't have to prove a claim I never made, you can't back up your claim that I did make said claim, again I will leave it there. As to your quotation it wasn't a claim, it was a question regarding two apparently contradictory statements made by you. So again, there is no claim for me to back up.
1)You did make a claim, it's down to you to show it. Considering the low crime rate between natives and immigrants proves they've been behaving, also you don't see riots either. So you saying there's no proof of that is a lie. 2)Biggest problem about you is that you hardly make any claims and then just twist what other people say, kinda bad form by you. Hence why I called it dragging people into mud, there's no clear claim or counter claim. So after accusing me of making a claim but repeatedly failing to provide any evidence of this you are now complaining that I don't make any claims.
Scooby doo was less confused than you.
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1)You did make a claim, it's down to you to show it. Considering the low crime rate between natives and immigrants proves they've been behaving, also you don't see riots either. So you saying there's no proof of that is a lie. 2)Biggest problem about you is that you hardly make any claims and then just twist what other people say, kinda bad form by you. Hence why I called it dragging people into mud, there's no clear claim or counter claim.
So after accusing me of making a claim but repeatedly failing to provide any evidence of this you are now complaining that I don't make any claims. Scooby doo was less confused than you. No, you made the claim.
I am also adding that you debate like a Eel, more slippery then anything.
Have you made any real claims, minus the one I am asking of you to prove, that's the problem, it isn't a debate if you are just trying to twist the words of the other, like literally what is your point.
I said many times that we were just playing around in the dirt and getting no where.
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So after accusing me of making a claim but repeatedly failing to provide any evidence of this you are now complaining that I don't make any claims. Scooby doo was less confused than you.
No, you made the claim. I am also adding that you debate like a Eel, more slippery then anything. Have you made any real claims, minus the one I am asking of you to prove, that's the problem, it isn't a debate if you are just trying to twist the words of the other, like literally what is your point. I said many times that we were just playing around in the dirt and getting no where. Well quote me on this supposed claim then.
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No, you made the claim.
I am also adding that you debate like a Eel, more slippery then anything.
Have you made any real claims, minus the one I am asking of you to prove, that's the problem, it isn't a debate if you are just trying to twist the words of the other, like literally what is your point.
I said many times that we were just playing around in the dirt and getting no where. the trolling stops now
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6 weeks later, a poignant footnote to this terrible event. Some things France gets right
Murdered French policeman married posthumously
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