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Brexit negotiations get tetchy ?; May accuses EU of attempts to influence UK election
Topic Started: May 3 2017, 05:40 PM (302 Views)
RoofGardener
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Well well.... some rather dramatic words from Theresa May today.

She has - in a nutshell - accused the EU (as opposed to European leaders) of trying to make the negotiations fail, and of attempting to interfere with the UK General Election in order to weaken TM's position.

By the standards of diplomatic language, this is strong stuff !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39787353

A determined stance, or playing to the camera's for domestic purposes ?
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Dan1989
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Or another idea, all of them should shut their mouths and get on with their particular jobs, all this silly nip-picking from both sides is just plain idiocy, funnily enough if May kept her mouth shut, could have made us look better from the sheer fact we wouldn't be responded to these silly speeches from the EU, keep it cool as they say.

I am not fan of blusterous modern politics, get on with the job and hand the people the reports afterwards, it's one of the things me & C-Too actually agree on when it comes to Clement Attlee a guy who liked to keep his head down and get on with the job.
Edited by Dan1989, May 3 2017, 07:07 PM.
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RoofGardener
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Well, Junker triggered it by leaking the conversation of the meeting to the press, including some of his more incendiary comments. If TM had simply ignored it, would she not then look weak ?

I think that is what she meant by "... trying to influence the election" ?
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Steve K
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She and the plot are becoming ever more distant from each other.
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Dan1989
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May 3 2017, 05:58 PM
Well, Junker triggered it by leaking the conversation of the meeting to the press, including some of his more incendiary comments. If TM had simply ignored it, would she not then look weak ?

I think that is what she meant by "... trying to influence the election" ?
I don't think so, I've actually heard people become more pro-leave when those comments came out, because people saw it in bad taste, people saying they should be more professionalism from everyone.

Those comments aren't going to effect the negotiations, it was just to raise temperatures.

Edited by Dan1989, May 3 2017, 07:08 PM.
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Steve K
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This is surely just a better titled duplicate of the current 'Tory Bashing' thread

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Tigger
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RoofGardener
May 3 2017, 05:40 PM


A determined stance, or playing to the camera's for domestic purposes ?
All normal people know she is playing the nationalist card, very dangerous in my opinion as every pea brained thicko with a tattoo will think it's a declaration of war.Plus they'll vote for her and sooner or later get stitched up.

The last bit is the silver lining btw. :)
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RoofGardener
May 3 2017, 05:58 PM
Well, Junker triggered it by leaking the conversation of the meeting to the press, including some of his more incendiary comments. If TM had simply ignored it, would she not then look weak ?

I think that is what she meant by "... trying to influence the election" ?
Here is the next thing the EU will do, they'll make some statements that rattle the markets and the City.

They are now toying with the Conservative Party.
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Tigger
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Dan1989
May 3 2017, 07:07 PM
I don't think so, I've actually heard people become more pro-leave when those comments came out, because people saw it in bad taste, people saying they should be more professionalism from everyone.



The loss of your job and the party you voted for eventually calling you a scrounger tends to wake up the complacent and deluded.
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Jessamy Bride
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I think its a bit of spin tbh....She wants to present herself as the saviour against the dictatorial EU bully boys.

Is anyone impressed?...Nah
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Tigger
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It's a bit of a cheek if the EU is trying to influence our GE and shows a certain amount of naivete on their part.

Everyone knows it's the job of non dom media barons and hedge funds to rig our elections.
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Jessamy Bride
May 3 2017, 09:25 PM
I think its a bit of spin tbh....She wants to present herself as the saviour against the dictatorial EU bully boys.

Is anyone impressed?...Nah
---"dictatorial EU bully boys."--- ?

Just because they are looking after their own interests ?
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Tigger
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May was impressive yesterday, she did a middle class version of a pissed British tourist in Benidorm abusing locals, it was about as dignified as that as well, but at least the average low IQ tattoo artist can manage it without a script.
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May 4 2017, 04:08 PM
Jessamy Bride
May 3 2017, 09:25 PM
I think its a bit of spin tbh....She wants to present herself as the saviour against the dictatorial EU bully boys.

Is anyone impressed?...Nah
---"dictatorial EU bully boys."--- ?

Just because they are looking after their own interests ?


Funny that,when we do were arrogant and threatening,when they do they are looking after their own interests.You really couldn't make it up.
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May 22 2017, 12:22 PM
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May 4 2017, 04:08 PM
Jessamy Bride
May 3 2017, 09:25 PM
I think its a bit of spin tbh....She wants to present herself as the saviour against the dictatorial EU bully boys.

Is anyone impressed?...Nah
---"dictatorial EU bully boys."--- ?

Just because they are looking after their own interests ?


Funny that,when we do were arrogant and threatening,when they do they are looking after their own interests.You really couldn't make it up.
Who said we were threatening?

But yes it is very arrogant for May and what passes for her team to be patronising and publicly presumptuous about our dealings with a group who have critical mass and the law on their side. Worse it's plain stupid and self defeating to do so and shows they know nothing about negotiation.
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May 22 2017, 12:22 PM


Funny that,when we do were arrogant and threatening,when they do they are looking after their own interests.You really couldn't make it up.
Can you enlighten us on the fact May wanted to keep the content of the negotiations secret until after we leave?

Whilst the EU said it will publish full details right after meetings conclude.

Hint, the dozy bint doesn't want you to see her clumsy fuck ups.
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May 22 2017, 12:28 PM
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May 22 2017, 12:22 PM
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Funny that,when we do were arrogant and threatening,when they do they are looking after their own interests.You really couldn't make it up.
Who said we were threatening?

But yes it is very arrogant for May and what passes for her team to be patronising and publicly presumptuous about our dealings with a group who have critical mass and the law on their side. Worse it's plain stupid and self defeating to do so and shows they know nothing about negotiation.
Huh, you will get SFA for being nice and polite with the likes of Junker, Tusk, Barnier and the Dutch twat Verhofstadt.

Now that they know where both sides stand then common pragmatic sense hopefully, will become the order of the day......for everybody's sake.
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Rich
May 22 2017, 07:38 PM
Steve K
May 22 2017, 12:28 PM
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May 22 2017, 12:22 PM

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Who said we were threatening?

But yes it is very arrogant for May and what passes for her team to be patronising and publicly presumptuous about our dealings with a group who have critical mass and the law on their side. Worse it's plain stupid and self defeating to do so and shows they know nothing about negotiation.
Huh, you will get SFA for being nice and polite with the likes of Junker, Tusk, Barnier and the Dutch twat Verhofstadt.

Now that they know where both sides stand then common pragmatic sense hopefully, will become the order of the day......for everybody's sake.
Nah

I'd get a lot from them, you with your extant comments wouldn't. Would be easy for me or indeed anyone with the true interest of the UK at heart. Stop being publicly rude to them, sack Boris and have a private meeting with Tusk and do a deal. Then Tusk would explain to those 3 hangers on that they OK the deal or he'd get Merkel, and Macron etc to get them sacked

PS you wouldn't like the deal, the UK would.

Edited by Steve K, May 22 2017, 08:07 PM.
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May 22 2017, 07:47 PM
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May 22 2017, 07:38 PM
Steve K
May 22 2017, 12:28 PM

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Huh, you will get SFA for being nice and polite with the likes of Junker, Tusk, Barnier and the Dutch twat Verhofstadt.

Now that they know where both sides stand then common pragmatic sense hopefully, will become the order of the day......for everybody's sake.
Nah

I'd get a lot from them, you with your extant comments wouldn't. Would be easy for me or indeed anyone with the true interest of the UK at heart. Stop being publicly rude to them, sack Boris and have a private meeting with Tusk and do a deal. Then Tusk would explain to those 3 hangers on that they OK the deal and he'd get Merkel, and Macron etc to get them sacked

PS you wouldn't like the deal, the UK would.

History has shown time and time again that appeasement will backfire on you.....best to have respectful compromises from both sides regardless of who our PM will be.

This is after all, BUSINESS, and there is no room for sentiment there.
Edited by Rich, May 22 2017, 07:59 PM.
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Steve K
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Rich
May 22 2017, 07:59 PM
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May 22 2017, 07:47 PM
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Nah

I'd get a lot from them, you with your extant comments wouldn't. Would be easy for me or indeed anyone with the true interest of the UK at heart. Stop being publicly rude to them, sack Boris and have a private meeting with Tusk and do a deal. Then Tusk would explain to those 3 hangers on that they OK the deal or he'd get Merkel, and Macron etc to get them sacked

PS you wouldn't like the deal, the UK would.

History has shown time and time again that appeasement will backfire on you.....best to have respectful compromises from both sides regardless of who our PM will be.

This is after all, BUSINESS, and there is no room for sentiment there.
Who said appeasement? The position would be give us a better deal than WTO or that's the way it'll go and yes that will hurt us but that would hurt you too.

And you talk of respectful compromises yet have been posting for months stuff like this recent example: "The Brits do not take kindly to dictatorships especially from those that were not elected by them in a democratic countrywide vote."

You will get nothing out of negotiation if your overt position is to get the other side humiliated and if you try such when the other side has a very strong hand it is you that will likely be the one getting humiliated.





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Rich
May 22 2017, 07:59 PM
]History has shown time and time again that appeasement will backfire on you.....
Back to the war again I see.

Never heard of Northern Ireland I suppose?
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