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| Topic Started: May 22 2017, 12:29 PM (598 Views) | |
| Stonefish | May 22 2017, 12:29 PM Post #1 |
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Amazing really,when I read some of the comments on here from certain contributors regarding Brexit it literally makes me feel rather sick,it is sickening. The negativity some display about his country is breathtaking . They compound this by blowing smoke up the arses of the French and Germans .They can do no wrong ,everything about us is failure and disaster. If this was wartime these people would probably be stood up against a wall and shot. You could argue were facing an economic war ( sadly ) in which case I'd be quite happy for the same to apply.i wouldn't stand in the way. Dangerous, negative self loathing people ,they WANT this country to fail. Makes me puke. |
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| Steve K | May 22 2017, 12:32 PM Post #2 |
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Feel free to quote some specific examples of such[1] (We need a laugh) [1] if you click the box next to the quote button you will be able to copy and paste the relevant post into a different thread |
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| Tigger | May 22 2017, 12:51 PM Post #3 |
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Mark my words, what you and milions of others have done will lead this country to humiliation at the hands our former friends. And for what? Just so a bunch elderly non entities can live out their final years in cloud cuckoo land. Do you undestand that? I'm not very patriotic am I? These are MY loyalties, family first, friends second, country third, state in the far, far distance.......... |
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| Happy Hornet | May 22 2017, 02:37 PM Post #4 |
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What I find amazing is how bitter and angry so many Brexiters are despite the fact that they won. Imagine what they'd be like if they'd lost. |
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| papasmurf | May 22 2017, 02:45 PM Post #5 |
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I am negative about the Tories ability to negotiate anything with foreign countries when it comes to trade agreements, the Tories will end up getting shafted and so will most of the population. |
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| C-too | May 22 2017, 04:52 PM Post #6 |
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| C-too | May 22 2017, 04:57 PM Post #7 |
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In war time just about everyone gets behind the war effort. If only we could get the kind of leadership that could get somewhere near that in peace time. Mind you, such levels of cooperation do tend to rub Edit; capitalists replaces capitalism. Edited by C-too, May 22 2017, 08:40 PM.
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| Tigger | May 22 2017, 07:21 PM Post #8 |
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That's the problem, a lot of Brexiteers look at this from a war standpoint. The fact it isn't a war but is now effectively a trade dispute that has morphed into xenophobia and some pretty nasty bigotry passes these people by. |
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| Steve K | May 22 2017, 07:41 PM Post #9 |
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| Rich | May 22 2017, 08:00 PM Post #10 |
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That's rich coming from the sour grape remoaners. |
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| johnofgwent | May 22 2017, 08:05 PM Post #11 |
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It .. It is GREEN !!
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um ... stops and thinks "so what was that principle major bleated on about all the way through hos maastricht chatterings, you know, 'subsidiarity', the idea that we get to control everything... except that which can't be controlled elsewhere othet ythat briussels - which turned out to be everything." so i'm having a hard time seeing how we can possibly be shafted any worse that we were being./.... |
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| Rich | May 22 2017, 08:15 PM Post #12 |
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People were just fed up with the status quo, stagnation and the strong perception that the only reason that the other EU member states dealt with the UK was because of our daily subscription. Others have said that our contributions are miniscule.....good, if that is the case then the EU need not make such a fuss of us leaving.......do they? For instance, how can their negotiators arrive at a figure 100 billion Euros for the privilege of exercising our right to leave, surely they do not really need us with such a tiny contribution? Seems like a load of Bullshit to me. |
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| Tigger | May 22 2017, 08:17 PM Post #13 |
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Give it time.
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| Steve K | May 22 2017, 08:19 PM Post #14 |
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No we're C-Too and Steve. You're Rich, look at your sign on name So you win a referendum with an illegal, lie ridden campaign and then approach divorce negotiations in the way most likely to give the UK a bad result and you want us to say that's great Nope, we'll point out the truth: Brexit was unwise but should only have been a step back not a disaster however May is right on course to make it so. |
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| Tigger | May 22 2017, 08:22 PM Post #15 |
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Well that just highlights the level of ignorance out there doesn't it? And talking of ignorance Davis gave us an example of it a couple of weeks ago, depite being told by many EU leaders and officials time and again that negotiations were to be directed at the group rather than individual nations, he was still proposing a deal with Spain over the few hundred thousand British immigrants who live in that country, it's almost as if he wasn't listening! |
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| Steve K | May 22 2017, 08:24 PM Post #16 |
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Everything? Well let's kick the tyres.on that Please tell me
You seem to be confusing 'everything' with not very much of import at all |
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| papasmurf | May 22 2017, 08:34 PM Post #17 |
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Quite easily if the Tories are stupid enough to sign any trade agreement with an Investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) clause in it. It took a several year campaign by nearly 2 million individuals to wake the Tories up to the problem when the TTIP negotiations were going on. But with May in thrall to Trump I am in no doubt the Tories and nearly everyone else will get shafted. |
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| C-too | May 22 2017, 08:45 PM Post #18 |
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So it touched a raw nerve "remoaners" ? Oh! you mean the realists who are prepared to look at both sides of the situation. |
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| Rich | May 22 2017, 09:49 PM Post #19 |
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You are of course, as is everyone else, entitled to your opinion, I have mine and aver it without exception....don't like it.....tough. |
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| johnofgwent | May 22 2017, 10:34 PM Post #20 |
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good point ... so who set the limits on the weight of lorry that rammed us off the road because moira wouldn't break the speed limit 100 yards before a camera ... when the severn bridge was built, it clearly set the max weight that could cross it was 32 tons as I travelled up and down the M4 i slowly watched that little round sign get changed to the 44 tonne it is today. who decided a 40% (ish) hike in max weight was permitted with no change to the structure ??? |
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| Steve K | May 22 2017, 10:39 PM Post #21 |
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That'd be the Highways Agency, the UK Highways agency |
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| Rich | May 22 2017, 10:44 PM Post #22 |
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Would that be to accommodate the double trailers with 28 wheels coming from the continent? |
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| Steve K | May 22 2017, 10:50 PM Post #23 |
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Or Eddie Stobarts? |
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| Rich | May 22 2017, 10:58 PM Post #24 |
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I have never seen a double trailer on a Stobart cab, but I have on a Norbert Dentressangle.....from Holland.
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| Mr Pat | May 23 2017, 12:21 AM Post #25 |
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They're just becoming white noise now. |
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| Cymru | May 23 2017, 01:10 AM Post #26 |
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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." Marcus Tullius Cicero |
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| johnofgwent | May 23 2017, 06:00 AM Post #27 |
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Steve, no amount of this is going to work. The facts are that in 1977 the legal maximum trailer weight on a UK road was 32 tons (english money tons) and this i know a) because that's what it said in the highway code i had to memorise the previous octover to pass my test and b) that was the weight of one of the fuckers that slammed my mini 300 feet across a road junction at an altitude of eight feet when he decided red lights did not apply to him. Since then the legal limits have been raised to their current 44 tonne but ONLY SINCE 2009 has it been the case that EU countries may only raise the limit in THEIR OWN country. Who demanded between 1977 and 2009 that the whole EEC / EU up the limits and fuck the severn bridge, and why were WE in the UK **NOT** allowed to say NO... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longer_Heavier_Vehicle |
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| Stonefish | May 23 2017, 06:35 AM Post #28 |
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Maybe he was thinking go f--k yourselves EU leaders,im not listening to your Nazi led dictatorial, arrogant ,pathetic,patronising shit ;i'll talk to who I want to thanks very much. |
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| Stonefish | May 23 2017, 06:47 AM Post #29 |
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Yes well talking tyres.. 1. Who decides on the emission levels of the car you drive 2 Who can override the laws we make in this country 3 How many regulations does the EU pass each year that we have to adhere to ? ( the answer btw is about 1500 ) The answer is of course almost every aspect of your life is affected by EU law , only the degree is different.its just some morons don't even know it. construction,fishing,farming,retail,the list is endless. |
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| C-too | May 23 2017, 07:44 AM Post #30 |
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I just chuckle at the one siders. I quite like exposing their single mindedness which appears to ruffle their feathers a bit
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| Happy Hornet | May 23 2017, 08:02 AM Post #31 |
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You're getting exactly what you want. We're leaving the EU and there are right wing governments on both sides of the Atlantic. Yet still you seem full of anger and bitterness. Have you considered the possibility that maybe its an internal rather than external issue that is the source of your unhappiness? |
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| Oddball | May 23 2017, 08:30 AM Post #32 |
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Ah, so it is a mixture of expertise, crossed fingers and political pressure then? |
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| Steve K | May 23 2017, 10:55 AM Post #33 |
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No one denied a lot of things are affected by EU laws. The point is very little of import is directed by the EU Who in their right mind really believes we wouldn't have 44 ton trucks were it not for the EU? No one Who in their right mind thinks fish will obey borders so that we can set an isolated fishing policy? No one Who in their right mind thinks we can feed ourselves so we can in isolation set laws for animal welfare, use of GM etc without being undercut? No One I understand it was necessary to use lies and twisted truths to get an Out vote but please can we leave it out now you have your Pyrrhic victory |
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| Steve K | May 23 2017, 10:56 AM Post #34 |
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What a brilliant description of Boris |
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| Stonefish | May 23 2017, 11:17 AM Post #35 |
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Of course, it doe good to look at oneself occasionally,you should try it .Yes I found im perfectly happy internally ,however I do have an intense dislike for patronising little wankers. How about you ,looked in a mirror recently ? |
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| Happy Hornet | May 23 2017, 12:09 PM Post #36 |
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Yep, looked in the mirror and see someone with much to be thankful for and living a life that is for the most part happy and prosperous. Hence why I'm not currently hurling abuse at strangers on the internet. |
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| Stonefish | May 23 2017, 06:43 PM Post #37 |
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Good for you ,I'd recommend it though can't beat a bit of abuse ,for those deserving of course. |
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| Stonefish | May 23 2017, 06:49 PM Post #38 |
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So you think everything you just listed ,plus s--t loads of other stuff is unimportant. That figures. No lies here,but I do see a mass of delusion from the dark side. And no I don't have my victory yet, that all depends on how 'hard' our exit will be. I just hope May has the balls to stand up to the pathetic bullying by the EU that they are already attempting. |
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| Steve K | May 23 2017, 07:51 PM Post #39 |
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Did I say they were unimportant? No, perhaps you should reread my post especially the "No one denied a lot of things are affected by EU laws. The point is very little of import is directed by the EU" part because you seem to be wholly misrepresenting it. What we freely agree to and what we would have implemented anyway is not 'directed by the EU' |
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| Tigger | May 23 2017, 08:18 PM Post #40 |
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Ouch! That'll be painful for some......
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