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Trump gets cold feet over brexit
Topic Started: May 25 2017, 03:32 PM (319 Views)
Stephen
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It's been reported that Trump has announced his concerns that brexit could jeopardise US jobs. I suppose even the Peter Griffin of politics would have to acknowledge reality eventually. The consequences of this realisation of the obvious is that the Trump administration will want to protect the EU trade zone for the sake of US businesses that trade there. This also means that a trade deal with brexit Britain recedes well into the future if it ever happens.

I'm sure many brexiters will declare that the uk does not need a deal with the US. That it can trade under WTO rules in splendid isolation.

As a strong Remainer, I now want as hard a brexit as possible and as quickly as possible. The sooner the brexiters are forced to see the damaging consequences of their plans the better. In 1918 we made the mistake of allowing Germany to surrender with conditions, which led to a powerful stab in the back myth. The brexiters must be allowed to fail completely, so that they cannot argue that brexit would have worked if only it had been more extreme. That is the only way this poison will be leeched out though it may take decades for the country to recover.
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Stephen
May 25 2017, 03:32 PM
It's been reported that Trump has announced his concerns that brexit could jeopardise US jobs. I suppose even the Peter Griffin of politics would have to acknowledge reality eventually. The consequences of this realisation of the obvious is that the Trump administration will want to protect the EU trade zone for the sake of US businesses that trade there. This also means that a trade deal with brexit Britain recedes well into the future if it ever happens.

I'm sure many brexiters will declare that the uk does not need a deal with the US. That it can trade under WTO rules in splendid isolation.

As a strong Remainer, I now want as hard a brexit as possible and as quickly as possible. The sooner the brexiters are forced to see the damaging consequences of their plans the better. In 1918 we made the mistake of allowing Germany to surrender with conditions, which led to a powerful stab in the back myth. The brexiters must be allowed to fail completely, so that they cannot argue that brexit would have worked if only it had been more extreme. That is the only way this poison will be leeched out though it may take decades for the country to recover.


Reported on the back of a crisp packet?
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Stephen
May 25 2017, 03:32 PM
It's been reported....
Where?

Link?

Evidence?


All The Best
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May 25 2017, 06:48 PM
Stephen
May 25 2017, 03:32 PM
It's been reported....
Where?

Link?

Evidence?


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Do Google search "Trump brexit" and you'll get articles on it.
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PMSL 'EU sources say' ,yeah I bet they do !!!
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Happy Hornet
May 25 2017, 06:59 PM
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May 25 2017, 06:48 PM
Stephen
May 25 2017, 03:32 PM
It's been reported....
Where?

Link?

Evidence?


All The Best
Do Google search "Trump brexit" and you'll get articles on it.
So no verifiable evidence he said anything of the kind then.

The EU have already been caught out playing PS/Spin/Mind games and even Junker felt the need to apologise for it.

Now Trump has gone on public record saying Brexit was good.

Where's the public record of him now saying differently?

We have a, so far, unidentified "EU source", and the Guardian article quite clearly states that "Further details of Trump’s comments were not immediately available".

Anonymous sources and no further details available?

Is anyone with an IQ above 50 buying into this bullshit?

All The Best
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May 25 2017, 08:41 PM
Happy Hornet
May 25 2017, 06:59 PM
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May 25 2017, 06:48 PM

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Do Google search "Trump brexit" and you'll get articles on it.
So no verifiable evidence he said anything of the kind then.

The EU have already been caught out playing PS/Spin/Mind games and even Junker felt the need to apologise for it.

Now Trump has gone on public record saying Brexit was good.

Where's the public record of him now saying differently?

We have a, so far, unidentified "EU source", and the Guardian article quite clearly states that "Further details of Trump’s comments were not immediately available".

Anonymous sources and no further details available?

Is anyone with an IQ above 50 buying into this bullshit?

All The Best
I never said it was gospel, do I take this source at their word? No.

Do I take Trump, Spicer and co at their word? Given their track record, that's also a no.
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Happy Hornet
May 25 2017, 08:48 PM
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May 25 2017, 08:41 PM
Happy Hornet
May 25 2017, 06:59 PM

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So no verifiable evidence he said anything of the kind then.

The EU have already been caught out playing PS/Spin/Mind games and even Junker felt the need to apologise for it.

Now Trump has gone on public record saying Brexit was good.

Where's the public record of him now saying differently?

We have a, so far, unidentified "EU source", and the Guardian article quite clearly states that "Further details of Trump’s comments were not immediately available".

Anonymous sources and no further details available?

Is anyone with an IQ above 50 buying into this bullshit?

All The Best
I never said it was gospel, do I take this source at their word? No.

Do I take Trump, Spicer and co at their word? Given their track record, that's also a no.


Glad to hear it ,Stephen does though apparently.
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Stephen
May 25 2017, 03:32 PM


As a strong Remainer, I now want as hard a brexit as possible and as quickly as possible. The sooner the brexiters are forced to see the damaging consequences of their plans the better.
Same here, bring it on! :thumbsup:
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May 25 2017, 08:41 PM
Happy Hornet
May 25 2017, 06:59 PM
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May 25 2017, 06:48 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Do Google search "Trump brexit" and you'll get articles on it.
So no verifiable evidence he said anything of the kind then.

The EU have already been caught out playing PS/Spin/Mind games and even Junker felt the need to apologise for it.

Now Trump has gone on public record saying Brexit was good.

Where's the public record of him now saying differently?

We have a, so far, unidentified "EU source", and the Guardian article quite clearly states that "Further details of Trump’s comments were not immediately available".

Anonymous sources and no further details available?

Is anyone with an IQ above 50 buying into this bullshit?

All The Best
It's being reported in the pro EU Express and Telegraph as well as the hard right Indy and Guardian.

The stuff about trade though is not speculation, financial news network Bloomberg and Reuters are covering this as well.

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May 25 2017, 06:48 PM
Stephen
May 25 2017, 03:32 PM
It's been reported....
Where?

Link?

Evidence?


All The Best
It's been reported in the Telegraph as well as other papers, with widely differing editorial view points on brexit. But keep up the dumb denial. It's all your kind have left. Enjoy your hard brexit. The harder the better.
Edited by Stephen, May 25 2017, 10:03 PM.
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May 25 2017, 10:02 PM

But keep up the dumb denial. It's all your kind have left. Enjoy your hard brexit. The harder the better.
If asking for independent verification is "dumb denial" then I'll gladly hold my hand up to that.

What us "my kind"? Sounds a bit like bigotry to me.

I'm sure I will enjoy my "hard Brexit"; just as I would enjoy "ANY Brexit".

Although I'd also happily settle for the softest of soft Brexits if it allowed us to have control of our borders back.

All The Best
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May 25 2017, 11:37 PM
Stephen
May 25 2017, 10:02 PM

But keep up the dumb denial. It's all your kind have left. Enjoy your hard brexit. The harder the better.
If asking for independent verification is "dumb denial" then I'll gladly hold my hand up to that.

What us "my kind"? Sounds a bit like bigotry to me.

I'm sure I will enjoy my "hard Brexit"; just as I would enjoy "ANY Brexit".

Although I'd also happily settle for the softest of soft Brexits if it allowed us to have control of our borders back.

All The Best
Perhaps you should have thought twice about your "IQ over 50" comment if you want to get touchy over posts being described as "dumb denal"

With Trump's propensity to make remarks in conflict with his previous statements would you really bet anything that he didn't make those comments to EU officials? I wouldn't and I doubt anyone with a IQ over 50 would either.
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May 26 2017, 10:56 AM
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May 25 2017, 11:37 PM
Stephen
May 25 2017, 10:02 PM

But keep up the dumb denial. It's all your kind have left. Enjoy your hard brexit. The harder the better.
If asking for independent verification is "dumb denial" then I'll gladly hold my hand up to that.

What us "my kind"? Sounds a bit like bigotry to me.

I'm sure I will enjoy my "hard Brexit"; just as I would enjoy "ANY Brexit".

Although I'd also happily settle for the softest of soft Brexits if it allowed us to have control of our borders back.

All The Best
Perhaps you should have thought twice about your "IQ over 50" comment if you want to get touchy over posts being described as "dumb denal"

With Trump's propensity to make remarks in conflict with his previous statements would you really bet anything that he didn't make those comments to EU officials? I wouldn't and I doubt anyone with a IQ over 50 would either.
i was watching Trump at the G7..barging everyone out of his way..
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May 26 2017, 12:04 PM
Steve K
May 26 2017, 10:56 AM
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May 25 2017, 11:37 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepANY Brexit".

Although I'd also happily settle for the softest of soft Brexits if it allowed us to have control of our borders back.

All The Best
Perhaps you should have thought twice about your "IQ over 50" comment if you want to get touchy over posts being described as "dumb denal"

With Trump's propensity to make remarks in conflict with his previous statements would you really bet anything that he didn't make those comments to EU officials? I wouldn't and I doubt anyone with a IQ over 50 would either.
i was watching Trump at the G7..barging everyone out of his way..
That was funny! And he's still not got it that you can't negotiate with individual EU nations on trade, obviously it's a lot harder to bully 27 than 1, which is how you do business according to The Art of the Deal.

But there is one country he'll be able to bully soon. :)
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We are stupid he is searching out our potential ''markets'' for America??
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May 26 2017, 10:56 AM
Perhaps you should have thought twice about your "IQ over 50" comment if you want to get touchy over posts being described as "dumb denal"

With Trump's propensity to make remarks in conflict with his previous statements would you really bet anything that he didn't make those comments to EU officials? I wouldn't and I doubt anyone with a IQ over 50 would either.
I partially accept your point.

With one proviso - Trump is happy to blurt out contradictory statements very, very publicly.

I am 100% certain that if Trump now has concerns about Brexit he would say so openly, and publicly, and I'm also certain he'd say them to the British.

Yet there is no verifiable record of him doing any of this?
Just an unnamed source within the EU?

Still sounds like its probably bullshit spin to me.



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May 27 2017, 05:38 PM
Steve K
May 26 2017, 10:56 AM
Perhaps you should have thought twice about your "IQ over 50" comment if you want to get touchy over posts being described as "dumb denal"

With Trump's propensity to make remarks in conflict with his previous statements would you really bet anything that he didn't make those comments to EU officials? I wouldn't and I doubt anyone with a IQ over 50 would either.
I partially accept your point.

With one proviso - Trump is happy to blurt out contradictory statements very, very publicly.

I am 100% certain that if Trump now has concerns about Brexit he would say so openly, and publicly, and I'm also certain he'd say them to the British.

Yet there is no verifiable record of him doing any of this?
Just an unnamed source within the EU?

Still sounds like its probably bullshit spin to me.



All The Best


That's some nice "logic" there.

So you can't take what Trump says at face value but you'll overlook that and kid yourself he wont be like that with us?

:rubchin:


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May 27 2017, 09:51 PM

So you can't take what Trump says at face value but you'll overlook that and kid yourself he wont be like that with us?

:rubchin:


You miss the point - as usual.

Trump is mercurial, he's likely to change his mind on things at a moments notice, and often as a knee-jerk PR reaction to something in the news.

I have no doubt he'll be just like that in any negotiations with us.

But he does this VERY, VERY PUBLICLY.


If, as the unnamed, uncorroborated EU source claims. Trump has changed his stance on Brexit that would not surprise me one bit.

The reason I am extremely skeptical about that claim is precisely and exactly because the source is unnamed and there is no corroborating evidence; because if Trump has so changed his mind not only would he shout it from the rooftops every time a camera and microphone were in the same city as him, he'd have tweeted it by now as well.

So there's no need to rub your chin, just start using your brain for something more than faux-witty put downs.

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May 28 2017, 11:53 AM
]You miss the point - as usual.



No.

Again you are involved in wishful thinking as is your way, Trump says one thing and then grown ups explain to him how the World really functions and he comes back down to Earth for a few hours.

Has he drained the swamp? No. Has he taken on the Wall Street vested interests? No. Will he single us out for really favourable treatment? NO.

I'm sure you've got the general idea now.
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Based on the polls, Trumps approval rating has fallen ten percent since February. If the presidential election was run today he'd have no chance.
Does he care? It would seem not.
Which begs the question of 'why did he run for president'?
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Pfffft!

Trump is not an idealist, he understands money and power, even though it needs explaining to him in those terms sometimes.

Given his actions I'd say he's very conventional albeit with an unreliable gob that often leads many astray with false hope.

I'm interested in the direction of travel, not the litter he throws out of the window.
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