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Effing cyclists
Topic Started: Aug 19 2017, 10:08 AM (808 Views)
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I went out on the sidecar outfit we use for long distance rallies earlier today to check everything was working OK after resetting the ABS computer.
It is bad enough having to put up with tourist car drivers who if brains were dynamite they would no blow the wax out of their ears. Today added to those were similar on bicycles. One came at me on the wrong side of the road on a blind bend. Luckily I was only doing around 10 MPH because I have no desire to load myself into one of the large agricultures machines that are on the road at this time of year.

I really think I must get one of these:-

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We need to be tough on cyclists on A roads and tough on the causes of cyclists on A roads

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Aug 19 2017, 10:17 AM
We need to be tough on cyclists on A roads and tough on the causes of cyclists on A roads

This wasn't on A roads.
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I hate cyclists too..but there is nowhere for them to go..they can't ride on the pavement and the roads are too busy to accommodate them..sure they have ''cycle lanes'' which appear and then disappear..I don't really think there is any place for them anymore!
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Even worse is those silly little caravans they pull behind them containing one or two small children..On a small road..I sweat like a pig at the butchers trying to pass these people..
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Aug 19 2017, 10:42 AM
Steve K
Aug 19 2017, 10:17 AM
We need to be tough on cyclists on A roads and tough on the causes of cyclists on A roads

This wasn't on A roads.

Well we should be tough on them on any serious roads then

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Aug 19 2017, 11:07 AM
I hate cyclists too..but there is nowhere for them to go..they can't ride on the pavement and the roads are too busy to accommodate them..sure they have ''cycle lanes'' which appear and then disappear..I don't really think there is any place for them anymore!
Yes there is somewhere for them to go, they can stay at home until they learn that when other road users approach they should pull over to let them by

marybrown
Aug 19 2017, 01:25 PM
Even worse is those silly little caravans they pull behind them containing one or two small children..On a small road..I sweat like a pig at the butchers trying to pass these people..
Oh yes, those people should be jailed. Either that or shot in front of the children they have so recklessly endangered.

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Aug 19 2017, 11:07 AM
I hate cyclists too..but there is nowhere for them to go..they can't ride on the pavement and the roads are too busy to accommodate them..sure they have ''cycle lanes'' which appear and then disappear..I don't really think there is any place for them anymore!
You must be fxxxxxg joking Mary, not allowed to ride on pavements???

Around here they seem to think that they OWN the pavements, cyclists these days do not use bells to warn anybody, they just whizz by and frighten the bloody life out of you.

God help the split arse whoever collides with me, they will not be able to ride a bike for a long time.

They are a fxxxxxg nuisance and a law unto themselves. /S: /S: /S:
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I presume you are aware of various council initiatives to allow cyclists onto the pavements ??

But don't forget, if you are run down and killed by an asshole whose two wheeled conveyance fails the construction and use regs, it's your fault for not reacting to their warning shout ... well that's what the guy who killed a pedestrian by riding a bike designed for a velodrome and illegal on the public road - as it had no front brake - on the public road said of the woman he killed



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Aug 19 2017, 11:46 PM
I presume you are aware of various council initiatives to allow cyclists onto the pavements ??

But don't forget, if you are run down and killed by an asshole whose two wheeled conveyance fails the construction and use regs, it's your fault for not reacting to their warning shout ... well that's what the guy who killed a pedestrian by riding a bike designed for a velodrome and illegal on the public road - as it had no front brake - on the public road said of the woman he killed



With all due respect Jog, if I am killed, there is not very much I can do about the incident.......and that is why I wish to get rid of the arrogant shites whilst I am still able to do so.


I just do not understand their fxxxxxg mindset.
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Pavements? Those are next to non-existent where I live on "main" roads.
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Aug 20 2017, 12:21 AM
johnofgwent
Aug 19 2017, 11:46 PM
I presume you are aware of various council initiatives to allow cyclists onto the pavements ??

But don't forget, if you are run down and killed by an asshole whose two wheeled conveyance fails the construction and use regs, it's your fault for not reacting to their warning shout ... well that's what the guy who killed a pedestrian by riding a bike designed for a velodrome and illegal on the public road - as it had no front brake - on the public road said of the woman he killed



With all due respect Jog, if I am killed, there is not very much I can do about the incident.......and that is why I wish to get rid of the arrogant shites whilst I am still able to do so.


I just do not understand their fxxxxxg mindset.
Oh I do

Various leaders and leading bodies have pronounced that cyclists shall have widespread legal immunity and when presented by such it is the natural behaviour of the species Humanus Thinkonlyofnumberoneus to go on to take the piss.

The former need to be thrown out of office, the latter arrested and their bikes crushed and the law changed
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Aug 20 2017, 09:49 AM
the latter arrested and their bikes crushed
Preferably with the rider still on the bike.
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Aug 20 2017, 09:50 AM
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the latter arrested and their bikes crushed
Preferably with the rider still on the bike.
It's a plan

Here's an example of the lunacy. If you are driving a car you are supposed to give them something like 5 ft clearance or risk being prosecuted for dangerous driving. But how come we regularly see cyclists riding two abreast with a lot less than that yet never see them prosecuted

And then we have cyclists undertaking vehicles that are indicating they are turning left at traffic lights and yet guess who gets the blame if there's a collision.

I could go on (and sadly probably will later)



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Aug 20 2017, 10:02 AM


I could go on (and sadly probably will later)



So could I. Locally it can only be a matter of time before a cyclist is killed due to their arrogance/lack of road sense. Nearly every car driver I know locally has had a close to underwear fouling experience due to having to do emergency stops/sharp change of direction due to idiot cyclists.
(There is by the way no problem with local children on bicycles because they are taught how to ride a bicycle safely at school.)
It is a lunatic fringe of adults on bicycles.
The incident that prompted me starting this thread, had me braking so hard the ABS system on the motorcycle operated. That is a VERY rare occurrence.
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Aug 20 2017, 10:12 AM
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I could go on (and sadly probably will later)



So could I. Locally it can only be a matter of time before a cyclist is killed due to their arrogance/lack of road sense. Nearly every car driver I know locally has had a close to underwear fouling experience due to having to do emergency stops/sharp change of direction due to idiot cyclists.
(There is by the way no problem with local children on bicycles because they are taught how to ride a bicycle safely at school.)
It is a lunatic fringe of adults on bicycles.
The incident that prompted me starting this thread, had me braking so hard the ABS system on the motorcycle operated. That is a VERY rare occurrence.
I blame La Tour de France..all dressed up in yellow jerseys..camera on their helmets..
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Aug 20 2017, 12:42 PM
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Aug 20 2017, 10:12 AM
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Aug 20 2017, 10:02 AM


I could go on (and sadly probably will later)



So could I. Locally it can only be a matter of time before a cyclist is killed due to their arrogance/lack of road sense. Nearly every car driver I know locally has had a close to underwear fouling experience due to having to do emergency stops/sharp change of direction due to idiot cyclists.
(There is by the way no problem with local children on bicycles because they are taught how to ride a bicycle safely at school.)
It is a lunatic fringe of adults on bicycles.
The incident that prompted me starting this thread, had me braking so hard the ABS system on the motorcycle operated. That is a VERY rare occurrence.
I blame La Tour de France..all dressed up in yellow jerseys..camera on their helmets..
:thumbsup:

But Call Me Dave and Boris etc have their share of the blame too
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Aug 20 2017, 10:12 AM

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I blame La Tour de France..all dressed up in yellow jerseys..camera on their helmets..
:thumbsup:

But Call Me Dave and Boris etc have their share of the blame too
I really could not imagine cycling around London..you'd have to have some serious balls!!

13 cyclists killed last year!
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:thumbsup:

But Call Me Dave and Boris etc have their share of the blame too
I really could not imagine cycling around London..you'd have to have some serious balls!!

13 cyclists killed last year!
And the Bicyclistas will say every death was the result of us nasty motorists. No matter that they will have mentally scarred some innocent motorists for life
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I blame La Tour de France..all dressed up in yellow jerseys..camera on their helmets..
:thumbsup:

But Call Me Dave and Boris etc have their share of the blame too
All do gooders and airy fairy liberals must take the blame, sadly, pragmatists and realists do not get a say in the matter as apparently we are selfish and should be outside seeking more fresh air and exercise.

I will refrain, on this occasion from airing my next comment. ;-)
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On my way back home just now it came VERY close to me killing two tourists on bicycles who turned left from the main road into a side road AFTER they had gone past the junction. The turned in front of my car.
A good job I avoided an accident (just,) because they were both black.
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I had a terrible experience with a cyclist yesterday. She was cycling along holding up a tractor that couldn't pass her and so a queue was forming behind. So what does she then go and do?

Only goes and pulls in at the first chance and lets everyone pass. Outrageous ;-)

Good on you lady you proved that not all cyclists are bad and yet again that we can never judge a wider group by the actions of some.

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Steve K - You are right, but rogue cyclists are still a substantial %age of the two wheeled one person powered community - and the 'problem', in the face of more crowded roads and pavements, seems to becoming more acute.

The truth is that inconsiderate motorists, motor cyclists, and pedestrians also add much to the general problem.
Edited by Oddball, Aug 22 2017, 07:38 AM.
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I don't cycle, none of my family do, and I have some admiration, understanding, of those that do cycle.
Motorists should be as careful around them as they would be children playing, or the aged crossing ........ look to yourselves if you are getting irritated, annoyed!
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I don't cycle, none of my family do, and I have some admiration, understanding, of those that do cycle.
Motorists should be as careful around them as they would be children playing, or the aged crossing ........ look to yourselves if you are getting irritated, annoyed!
But that just says it's perfectly fine for a minority of people to impose such uninsured and unregistered mobile chicanes on many more others that are just trying to get on with their lives.

It's not fine, it's eco arrogance

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I don't cycle, none of my family do, and I have some admiration, understanding, of those that do cycle.
Motorists should be as careful around them as they would be children playing, or the aged crossing ........ look to yourselves if you are getting irritated, annoyed!
But that just says it's perfectly fine for a minority of people to impose such uninsured and unregistered mobile chicanes on many more others that are just trying to get on with their lives.

It's not fine, it's eco arrogance

It would be nice if bikes taken on to public roads could be economically and practically required the same rules and regulations as are required by motorised vehicles and their drivers and riders. The same goes for hosses and riders. I have had close calls from both.
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I don't cycle, none of my family do, and I have some admiration, understanding, of those that do cycle.
Motorists should be as careful around them as they would be children playing, or the aged crossing ........ look to yourselves if you are getting irritated, annoyed!
But that just says it's perfectly fine for a minority of people to impose such uninsured and unregistered mobile chicanes on many more others that are just trying to get on with their lives.

It's not fine, it's eco arrogance

The same goes for hosses and riders. I have had close calls from both.
I agree..we have miles of land in Norfolk..where the riders can go..but no..they need to walk along..in the smallest of roads..Looking back at you as if you are a piece of crap..
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I am absolutely shocked at the intolerant attitude shown towards vulnerable
Road users in this thread even more so by those complaining about vulnerable users whilst being one themselves.
Cyclists, pedestrians, dog walkers , horse riders , bikers all need to share the road. There's
A query as to why two abreast riding occurs , it is to stop a driver overtaking from behind
And squeezing past when a car is approaching from the other direction. Take up the space
Of a car on the road and that can't happen . For horse riders it's approved road riding (I assume for cyclists too)
Be tolerant of other road users
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Aug 19 2017, 01:25 PM
Even worse is those silly little caravans they pull behind them containing one or two small children..On a small road..I sweat like a pig at the butchers trying to pass these people..
I had one of those but I DID NOT use it on public roads and therefore endanger the lives of my children. I cheated and used sidewalks and if there were any pedestrians sharing it with me, I would get off of my bike and roll the rig onto the grass so that pedestrians would have right-of-way. I used that little chariot for about five years and not one person took me to task for it. My children also both survived and had ripping fun riding in it.
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Even worse is those silly little caravans they pull behind them containing one or two small children..On a small road..I sweat like a pig at the butchers trying to pass these people..
I had one of those but I DID NOT use it on public roads and therefore endanger the lives of my children. I cheated and used sidewalks and if there were any pedestrians sharing it with me, I would get off of my bike and roll the rig onto the grass so that pedestrians would have right-of-way. I used that little chariot for about five years and not one person took me to task for it. My children also both survived and had ripping fun riding in it.
You were fortunate it have those grass verges to retreat to, here in the UK many roads and pavements/sidewalks, don't have grass verges, and the pavements can often be quite narrow, with many intersections with blind corners. Invalid carts can also be a bit of a nightmare as a consequence for older non-athletic pedestrians to suddenly happen upon.
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Even worse is those silly little caravans they pull behind them containing one or two small children..On a small road..I sweat like a pig at the butchers trying to pass these people..
I had one of those but I DID NOT use it on public roads and therefore endanger the lives of my children. I cheated and used sidewalks and if there were any pedestrians sharing it with me, I would get off of my bike and roll the rig onto the grass so that pedestrians would have right-of-way. I used that little chariot for about five years and not one person took me to task for it. My children also both survived and had ripping fun riding in it.
Invalid carts can also be a bit of a nightmare as a consequence for older non-athletic pedestrians to suddenly happen upon.
There are so many people with electric wheelchairs here..on the pavements..on the roads..riding down the middle of the roads..Even a place who will rent them out on a daily basis if you are too bone idle to walk...
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Aug 24 2017, 11:03 PM
I am absolutely shocked at the intolerant attitude shown towards vulnerable
Road users in this thread even more so by those complaining about vulnerable users whilst being one themselves.
Cyclists, pedestrians, dog walkers , horse riders , bikers all need to share the road. There's
A query as to why two abreast riding occurs , it is to stop a driver overtaking from behind
And squeezing past when a car is approaching from the other direction. Take up the space
Of a car on the road and that can't happen . For horse riders it's approved road riding (I assume for cyclists too)
Be tolerant of other road users
So how would you react if pedestrians just started walking all over the road demanding priority because they are vulnerable?

There are good cyclists, caravan drivers and horse box drivers. But sadly for both of them the vast majority think that the rules of the road - and at times the pavement - do not apply to them

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences_guidance_on_prosecuting_cases_of_bad_driving/#a31

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The offence of driving without reasonable consideration under section 3 of the RTA 1988 is committed only when other persons are inconvenienced by the manner of the defendant's driving, see section 3ZA(4) RTA 1988.


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Careless, and inconsiderate, driving.

If a person drives a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road or other public place without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or place, he is guilty of an offence.


And that means pulling over when safe to do do so to let others pass, it means not riding two or more abreast when others are behind.
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Invalid carts can also be a bit of a nightmare as a consequence for older non-athletic pedestrians to suddenly happen upon.
There are so many people with electric wheelchairs here..on the pavements..on the roads..riding down the middle of the roads..Even a place who will rent them out on a daily basis if you are too bone idle to walk...
The law and the shops and especially resale sites that sell these devices don't help here

Below a certain size they must be on the pavement and not on the road. Above that size they must be on the road and not on the pavement. But at all times they must be driven with due care and attention and no we do not always see that.

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There are so many people with electric wheelchairs here..on the pavements..on the roads..riding down the middle of the roads..Even a place who will rent them out on a daily basis if you are too bone idle to walk...
The law and the shops and especially resale sites that sell these devices don't help here

Below a certain size they must be on the pavement and not on the road. Above that size they must be on the road and not on the pavement. But at all times they must be driven with due care and attention and no we do not always see that.

My handicapped friend says the larger ones are liable to pay road tax..so if they have to pay road tax they probably think well I'm going to use the roads..However they can be rented or bought with no training...This is the problem..
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Aug 25 2017, 11:16 AM
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The law and the shops and especially resale sites that sell these devices don't help here

Below a certain size they must be on the pavement and not on the road. Above that size they must be on the road and not on the pavement. But at all times they must be driven with due care and attention and no we do not always see that.

My handicapped friend says the larger ones are liable to pay road tax..so if they have to pay road tax they probably think well I'm going to use the roads..However they can be rented or bought with no training...This is the problem..
My late mother rented one (actually I think it was free) to go shopping at Bluewater. How there weren't mass deaths as she rode amok amazes me. 'Best' bit was when the lift doors opened and she drove at full throttle to get in it scaring the life out of those that were in the lift trying to get out. A definite :facepalm: moment

So yes there should be a minimum driving standard established before anyone should be allowed to drive one. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to become law
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My handicapped friend says the larger ones are liable to pay road tax..so if they have to pay road tax they probably think well I'm going to use the roads..However they can be rented or bought with no training...This is the problem..
My late mother rented one (actually I think it was free) to go shopping at Bluewater. How there weren't mass deaths as she rode amok amazes me. 'Best' bit was when the lift doors opened and she drove at full throttle to get in it scaring the life out of those that were in the lift trying to get out. A definite :facepalm: moment

So yes there should be a minimum driving standard established before anyone should be allowed to drive one. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to become law
I was hit by one on the pavement..didn't hear it..due to traffic..and I was straight on my arse..the guy on it didn't ask if I was ok or nothing and carried on his merry way at around 15 mph.. A sort of ''get out of my way or I'll hit you scenario!''...they should have some form of identification...Maybe even a numberplate..
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I am absolutely shocked at the intolerant attitude shown towards vulnerable
Road users in this thread even more so by those complaining about vulnerable users whilst being one themselves.
Cyclists, pedestrians, dog walkers , horse riders , bikers all need to share the road. There's
A query as to why two abreast riding occurs , it is to stop a driver overtaking from behind
And squeezing past when a car is approaching from the other direction. Take up the space
Of a car on the road and that can't happen . For horse riders it's approved road riding (I assume for cyclists too)
Be tolerant of other road users
Well, it's not "vulnerable road users" is it

It's arrogant bastards with no interest in adhering to the rules of the road.

I cycled eight miles to and from work along a main trunk road, that used to be the main arterial road out of south Wales before they built the M4.

My pedelec and my normal bike both were dayglo colours and I always wore hi Vis and my lights worked and do you know what, cars gave me plenty of room and not the slightest bother

And roughly eight out of ten other riders on that trunk road were similarly equipped and similarly treated by passing motor traffic.

In Newport, eight out of ten bikes have no lights, no reflectors, their riders ride in dark clothing on main roads at night and somehow these people expect us to give them the same respect we give to those who obey the rule of law

There were six wankers wheelieing up the bloody middle of the main road at 11pm two nights ago.

If they end up under a lorry I will not be remotely surprised

And I will shed no tears for the fuckers

And as for the lycraboy lout who shot the red, nearly got killed, fell off then came back on foot to lump me for stopping for the red he shot....

You really expect me to show these bastards anything other than the underside of my car as I ran them ?

Get real
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A first step that has been mooted is that anyone using a bike for commercial purposes has to have identification AND insurance

Has my support as long as they jail those that don't comply and massively fine companies that employ such
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A first step that has been mooted is that anyone using a bike for commercial purposes has to have identification AND insurance

Has my support as long as they jail those that don't comply and massively fine companies that employ such
yes...bikes are annoying..so are horse riders doubling up and trotting along..when then is plenty of space elswhere for them..electric wheelchairs..ok if they are genuinely handicapped..if not get up and walk...These people have no places on our roads..they don't pay road tax or insurance... so the motorists will have to pick up the tab..Once again...
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I am absolutely shocked at the intolerant attitude shown towards vulnerable
Road users in this thread even more so by those complaining about vulnerable users whilst being one themselves.
Cyclists, pedestrians, dog walkers , horse riders , bikers all need to share the road. There's
A query as to why two abreast riding occurs , it is to stop a driver overtaking from behind
And squeezing past when a car is approaching from the other direction. Take up the space
Of a car on the road and that can't happen . For horse riders it's approved road riding (I assume for cyclists too)
Be tolerant of other road users
So how would you react if pedestrians just started walking all over the road demanding priority because they are vulnerable?

There are good cyclists, caravan drivers and horse box drivers. But sadly for both of them the vast majority think that the rules of the road - and at times the pavement - do not apply to them

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences_guidance_on_prosecuting_cases_of_bad_driving/#a31

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The offence of driving without reasonable consideration under section 3 of the RTA 1988 is committed only when other persons are inconvenienced by the manner of the defendant's driving, see section 3ZA(4) RTA 1988.


And http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/3

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Careless, and inconsiderate, driving.

If a person drives a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road or other public place without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or place, he is guilty of an offence.


And that means pulling over when safe to do do so to let others pass, it means not riding two or more abreast when others are behind.
I'm not a cyclist or biker but am a horse rider, pedestrian and dog walker and when out as such an dressed up like a fairy on a Christmas tree so that no one can use the excuse 'I didn't see you'

All the above are vulnerable road users

I live in an area with no pavement and have had to jump into the hedgerow to avoid a car seemingly intent on running us down. I've also had car wing mirrors clipping my stirrup .
The tea shop in the nearest village would lose most of its business if it wasn't for the regular cycle trade.

Just share the road , please.
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