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| Topic Started: Sep 10 2017, 02:49 PM (439 Views) | |
| papasmurf | Sep 10 2017, 02:49 PM Post #1 |
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People putting themselves in harms way ending up in trouble and then expecting to get rescued. It never ceased to amaze me the number of people who go away on an exotic holiday and don't check here first:- https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice Plus going into an area in the hurricane/tornado season and not doing other simple checks for potential danger. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 10 2017, 03:10 PM Post #2 |
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Have you any proof that there are a significant number of people who do this? How many people have arrived in Florida and been surprised that there is a hurricane coming? How many tour operators still fly passengers into areas that are imminently in danger? I have personally been looking at the situation in the Caribbean and Florida . I don't see any sign of this. There are hurricane seasons that doesn't mean that there will be a hurricane when you get there. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 10 2017, 03:17 PM Post #3 |
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Just watching the news over time is sufficient. |
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| Steve K | Sep 10 2017, 03:36 PM Post #4 |
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Are you saying they booked their holidays AFTER Hurricane Irma developed? If so please post evidence, if not your grump is unjustified |
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| papasmurf | Sep 10 2017, 03:42 PM Post #5 |
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My "grump" is not specifically about the current situation. However would you go on holiday to somewhere during the hurricane season? |
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| Rich | Sep 10 2017, 03:53 PM Post #6 |
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Listen Papa, if they are capable enough to book online (as I suspect most do) then they should be capable enough to check with the foreign and commonwealth office reports about where and where not to go and the risks involved....just like mountaineers who take risks and Fishermen angling off of rocks in Cornwall and them being washed into the sea.....the risks are all too obvious and yes, I have no sympathy for (to me anyway) their stupidity. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 10 2017, 04:01 PM Post #7 |
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If watching the news I'd sufficient to make unsubstantiated claims in this case then why doesn't it in all cases? |
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| Deleted User | Sep 10 2017, 04:10 PM Post #8 |
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People who are due to go on holiday usually have booked months in advance. If there is a hurricane on its way they know in advance and the airlines generally stop flights to that area if they think it is dangerous. Hurricane season in Florida is essentially from May to November iirc with most hurricanes occurring in September. This year is an exceptional years for hurricanes. Virgin stopped flying Today to Orlando. Some ( very few)people have chosen to still travel to Florida but only to certain areas . Some of the hotels are built to withstand hurricanes and they probably will be quite safe for the people in them. Flights to Maimi stopped a while ago and the Keys are essentially deserted. Anyone travelling to an unsafe zone will not be able to get emergency services. |
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| johnofgwent | Sep 10 2017, 04:26 PM Post #9 |
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I'm not sure "booking it after the hurricane is reported" cuts it as obligatory for proof of stupidity (although i freely admit doing so is reckless in the extreme) It's my birthday in a fortnight, it's my brother's birthday today, and it's my wedding anniversary on tuesday, so I am accustomed to holidaying at this time of year. we went to the riu tequila in cancun a year or two back, and we went in january after the new year madness died down, and we went then, not in september, because when we asked about the place for a september holiday the travel agent said straight to my face "oh you dont want to do that, it's hurricane season" yet a glance at the booking figures for the riu tequila at quinta roo cancun will show you that while the smarter clientele (including me) took their holidays there in jan / feb / mar when the weather "at home" is the shittiest and the sea temperature off the yucatan peninsula is 28, the pool is 29, and the shade is 35 ..., the place does not shut down, nor does it have particular problems filling its rooms, in september which is the hurricane season. and while i admit this is hardly quantitative, when we got there, chatting to the staff, lots of people DO take holidays in the area in hurricane season. And right now, friends of mine are posting on arsebook from their hotel in Orlando where they deliberately booked a five grand holiday at the disney world and related facilities in september, even though i bloody told them, having checked with a client of mine who was headhunted and emigrated to miami, that september IS hurricane season in florida and they DO hit tha resort area I KNOW it's just a probability thing, but come on, would you book a holiday in cancun in september if you **KNEW** the place was likely as not going to be battered by hurricanes... |
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| papasmurf | Sep 10 2017, 04:33 PM Post #10 |
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Quite, I know a couple who go to Bequia in the wintertime (lucky sods,) but they would never go there in the hurricane season. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 10 2017, 04:37 PM Post #11 |
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In that case they should have tons of time to check when the hurricane season is. |
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| Rich | Sep 10 2017, 04:49 PM Post #12 |
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The following from a man who lives and works in Florida. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqQCu_V0TqU |
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| Deleted User | Sep 10 2017, 04:50 PM Post #13 |
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I told when the hurricane season is . I also told you that there is not always hurricanes in the hurricane season. You should of taken note. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 10 2017, 05:39 PM Post #14 |
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Hurricane season is hurricane season whether any happen or not. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 10 2017, 05:42 PM Post #15 |
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Yes it is the season when hurricanes happen , they dont happen all the season. There is chance that a hurricane will happen at the time of your holiday. If they do then you either cancel your holiday and go another time or you change your hotel to a safer place. Hope this helps. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 10 2017, 05:45 PM Post #16 |
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I would not book a holiday in the hurricane season anyway. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 10 2017, 05:49 PM Post #17 |
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Good for you. Hurricane season is the time when hurricanes sometimes occur. It doesn't mean they will occur. If they occur before your holiday and are strong enough to be dangerous you will get to rebook ( if you book with a reputable company) . If they occur during your holiday and are dangerous then you will get to go home early. If they aren't dangerous then you will witness a hurricane over part of your holiday. I wouldn't book a holiday during hurricane season unless it was a reputable one. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 10 2017, 05:55 PM Post #18 |
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I live in a place where bad storms and high winds happen anyway. (Back in the 1980s practical every house in the village was damaged during one storm.) I have no intention of going on holiday to anywhere in the hurricane season. |
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| Steve K | Sep 10 2017, 06:08 PM Post #19 |
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PS seeing as most accidents happen in the home can we take it that you never go home and feel anyone that has got a home is being idioticly reckless? or perhaps you might recognise that because insurers are happy to cover for those location/month combinations indicates that people smarter than us know the true average risk is low because the region is massive? |
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| Deleted User | Sep 10 2017, 06:16 PM Post #20 |
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Good for you . However for the last time ...you will not necessarily meet a hurricane during hurricane season, in fact it is very doubtful that you will. So people doing so are not putting themselves in harms way are they? |
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| papasmurf | Sep 10 2017, 06:18 PM Post #21 |
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Given the way hospital casualty departments fill up on bank holidays weekends with Destroy-It-Yourselfers having maimed themselves in various ways some homeowners are idiotically reckless. Edited by papasmurf, Sep 10 2017, 06:24 PM.
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| Deleted User | Sep 10 2017, 06:53 PM Post #22 |
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People are still out on International Drive Florida right now. Restaurants are open and it's a bit windy but OK.π |
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| Steve K | Sep 10 2017, 07:12 PM Post #23 |
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To be fair if we're talking of Orlando it is outside the zone of risk But as my mate in Orlando just emailed: "Had just light rain up to now but heavy rain just started and the wind has picked up. Still about 12 hours away from the worst but I donβt think it will be too bad." It's Tampa, the Keys, Everglades and Miami that are to use that Norwegian commentator's famous line are going to "take one hell of a beating" |
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| Deleted User | Sep 10 2017, 07:21 PM Post #24 |
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I think that the hurricane will pass over Orlando. My wife showed a picture of dozens of utility vehicles waiting to clear up the mess after the hurricane has passed. Some of them have Michigan plates. They are parked in Epcot car park if you want to google it...but they are not just for Disney. Orlando won't get the sea swells but it will get blowy there soon. I'm due to go out there in October so I hope there is something left π |
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| Steve K | Sep 10 2017, 08:11 PM Post #25 |
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Should be OK but if you were planning on going to Busch Gardens then maybe it won't be there |
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| johnofgwent | Sep 10 2017, 08:15 PM Post #26 |
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Depending on how they booked ... If for example they did what I did and pay the extra to talk to a human being, then if said agent didn't mention the likelihood of waking up in a wizard of Oz remake, .... |
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| Steve K | Sep 10 2017, 08:50 PM Post #27 |
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Interesting image from Flight Radar via the BBC:![]() Shows how much of the region is still flying normally and of course it is only ONE day where those flights have been suspended in the Florida area |
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| Affa | Sep 10 2017, 09:44 PM Post #28 |
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Looking at that being a pilot must be one of the most secure blue collar jobs going. So many are needed the competition for jobs must be scarce. |
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| Rich | Sep 10 2017, 10:15 PM Post #29 |
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I would like to think that the air traffic controllers get paid as twice as much as the pilots for trying to sort that lot out whilst avoiding a collision must take nerves of steel and total concentration. |
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| Ewill | Sep 10 2017, 10:36 PM Post #30 |
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If it's somewhere I wanted to go at that time then yes |
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| Rich | Sep 11 2017, 01:12 AM Post #31 |
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Here's a question, if those that put themselves in doubtful/risky situations despite advice not to, expect to be rescued and taken out of harms way whilst risking the lives of the rescuers? |
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| Oddball | Sep 11 2017, 01:19 AM Post #32 |
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Smurfy, using the same 'logic' for you living in the storm tossed environs of far flung Cornwal as you appear to be using regarding the likes of 'hurricane holidays' - so why is it YOU LIVE THERE???????!!!!! Here in Sheffield we get much less wind and rain - true it is a couple of degrees cooler on average. |
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| Rich | Sep 11 2017, 01:21 AM Post #33 |
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We do not do too bad here in the UK compared with other countries....yet. |
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| papasmurf | Sep 11 2017, 07:09 AM Post #34 |
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I live here because of the isolation, low air pollution, and the very low crime rate. I would not live in ANY town. (There are other reasons but they are private, and certainly things I would not discuss on any public forum.) |
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| Ewill | Sep 11 2017, 01:53 PM Post #35 |
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If those who are officially advised to evacuate an area due to an impending hurricane choose not to take that advice then imo it is their own lookout I don't see an issue in travelling somewhere during hurricane season (or monsoon season), I do see an issue if advised to leave an area and choosing not to (without very good reason) I was in Dallas recently just before Harvey hit Houston and Corpus Christi ( 5 hours drive south) Almost every interactive road sign was advising against travel south to Houston , hotels in Dallas were filling up with 'refugees' from the south with fully laden cars , I've never before seen so many pet dogs all at once in an hotel |
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| marybrown | Sep 11 2017, 03:04 PM Post #36 |
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Worst holiday is the Middle East when Ramadan has been declared..Thomas Cook doesn't tell you about that,,does it?? |
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| Rich | Sep 11 2017, 03:08 PM Post #37 |
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Just as an aside, I have just watched a short clip on sky news regarding "looters" in Florida.....guess what colour they were? I think that looters should be shot on sight, as if peoples lives were not miserable enough what with losing ones residence and flooding and in some cases, loss of life, you then have the added misery of looters stealing whatever may be left of a lifetimes efforts. |
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| marybrown | Sep 11 2017, 03:14 PM Post #38 |
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I've watched a few of these..and there does seem to be a pattern emerging?? |
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| Rich | Sep 11 2017, 03:26 PM Post #39 |
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I wonder if David Lammy watches such on TV, he is of the opinion that appearances in court are over represented by black people and unfairly so at that......one wonders why he would think that, after all, he is an MP and MP's make the laws of this land and the courts carry out the work of testing cases and handing down sentences.....what could be simpler? |
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| marybrown | Sep 11 2017, 03:29 PM Post #40 |
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We have eyes..and yet still cannot see.. |
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