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People putting themselves in harms way
Topic Started: Sep 10 2017, 02:49 PM (438 Views)
papasmurf
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People putting themselves in harms way ending up in trouble and then expecting to get rescued.

It never ceased to amaze me the number of people who go away on an exotic holiday and don't check here first:-

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice

Plus going into an area in the hurricane/tornado season and not doing other simple checks for potential danger.
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Rich
Sep 11 2017, 01:12 AM
Ewill
Sep 10 2017, 10:36 PM
papasmurf
Sep 10 2017, 03:42 PM

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If it's somewhere I wanted to go at that time then yes
Here's a question, if those that put themselves in doubtful/risky situations despite advice not to, expect to be rescued and taken out of harms way whilst risking the lives of the rescuers?
Um. No, that doesn't seem to be a complete post. Bit missing off the end imho.

In my experience the most equipped and experienced can still have a raft of shit happen to them. If two divers take two separate tanks and three separate mouthpieces and similarly dual redundant critical equipment with them and still have misfortune heaped on them, are they as much to blame for anything that befalls them than two assholes on Lilo's ,??

I have my own views on that of course, formed at 30 metres in the freezing cold when my drysuit malfunctioned and nearly killed me my filling with air making me a Michelin man / Mr blobby clone. Am I as much at fault as someone who does that dive in an inadequate wetsuit and suffers hypothermia ? To what extent am I who spent weeks doing pool drills to survive that shit - and I'm here now because I did - equally to blame as a twat who buys the gear I bought and jumps in without any thought of training in itvat all ???

The GMDSS (global maritime distress and safety at sea) regulations impose a duty on a ships master to respond to distress calls from other traffic; there is no such requirement to haul half drowned idiots out of the water, and the RNLI have no DUTY to rescue many that they do, although the boathouse secretaries admit it is almost an embarrassment that after tragedy strikes the queue of willing replacements ready to put themselves in harm's way to save another is many times the number lost.

I've had the misfortune as a much younger person to need those guys through no fault of ours and the Cox's language to the asshole in the port who didn't do the job of servicing the outboard properly when my uncle gave it to him was unfit for the ears of a lad of 12 (ISH) which I was at the time

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Rich
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marybrown
Sep 11 2017, 03:29 PM
Rich
Sep 11 2017, 03:26 PM
marybrown
Sep 11 2017, 03:14 PM

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I wonder if David Lammy watches such on TV, he is of the opinion that appearances in court are over represented by black people and unfairly so at that......one wonders why he would think that, after all, he is an MP and MP's make the laws of this land and the courts carry out the work of testing cases and handing down sentences.....what could be simpler?
We have eyes..and yet still cannot see..
I think that the words, refuse and denial are missing from your post Mary.
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Rich
Sep 11 2017, 03:32 PM
marybrown
Sep 11 2017, 03:29 PM
Rich
Sep 11 2017, 03:26 PM

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We have eyes..and yet still cannot see..
I think that the words, refuse and denial are missing from your post Mary.
Ok we have eyes...and yet still cannot speak..(is this better?)
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marybrown
Sep 11 2017, 03:52 PM
Rich
Sep 11 2017, 03:32 PM
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I think that the words, refuse and denial are missing from your post Mary.
Ok we have eyes...and yet still cannot speak..(is this better?)
What I meant Mary, was that, imo, Lammy is refusing to accept reality and is in denial of the facts,.....nothing more.
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Rich
Sep 11 2017, 03:59 PM
marybrown
Sep 11 2017, 03:52 PM
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Sep 11 2017, 03:32 PM

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Ok we have eyes...and yet still cannot speak..(is this better?)
What I meant Mary, was that, imo, Lammy is refusing to accept reality and is in denial of the facts,.....nothing more.
I didn't actually know who ''Lammy'' was...I think I understand now... ;D
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Steve K
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Back on topic so when was the last time Florida was badly hit?

25 years ago (Hurricane Andrew) so it's a big over reaction to say no one should go on holiday there in any September
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Steve K
Sep 11 2017, 04:52 PM
Back on topic so when was the last time Florida was badly hit?

25 years ago (Hurricane Andrew) so it's a big over reaction to say no one should go on holiday there in any September
Apparently, according to the BBC news at 1300 hrs, it has now been downgraded to a "tropical storm" meaning it is blowing at less than 85 MPH......blimey, that is still enough force to cause chaos and mayhem here in the UK.
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Rich
Sep 10 2017, 10:15 PM
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Sep 10 2017, 09:44 PM
Steve K
Sep 10 2017, 08:50 PM
Interesting image from Flight Radar via the BBC:
Posted Image
Shows how much of the region is still flying normally and of course it is only ONE day where those flights have been suspended in the Florida area


Looking at that being a pilot must be one of the most secure blue collar jobs going.
So many are needed the competition for jobs must be scarce.
I would like to think that the air traffic controllers get paid as twice as much as the pilots for trying to sort that lot out whilst avoiding a collision must take nerves of steel and total concentration.
The software in the planes nosecone that receives those reports in real time from the source, and works out if you are going to collide, and indeed the air traffic control software itself, is now written by the employees of the lowest bidder, ccurrently for the UK a a bunch of scrotes who came to work in some godforsaken part of Algeria by bullock cart as the offices in Chennai are too costly for the tender and the a coders only know what a plane is from shipping their relatives to the UK on one.
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Sep 12 2017, 01:40 PM
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Sep 10 2017, 10:15 PM
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Sep 10 2017, 09:44 PM

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I would like to think that the air traffic controllers get paid as twice as much as the pilots for trying to sort that lot out whilst avoiding a collision must take nerves of steel and total concentration.
The software in the planes nosecone that receives those reports in real time from the source, and works out if you are going to collide, and indeed the air traffic control software itself, is now written by the employees of the lowest bidder, ccurrently for the UK a a bunch of scrotes who came to work in some godforsaken part of Algeria by bullock cart as the offices in Chennai are too costly for the tender and the a coders only know what a plane is from shipping their relatives to the UK on one.
Nah3

Those pics come from a synthesised picture mostly using the ADS-B[1] squitter feeds from the aircraft. Which is why as a default they don't show military aircraft or even General Aviation aircraft. Even a fair few commercial transports still do not have ADS-B and have to be air traffic control tracked using MSSR[2] or even Primary Radar

And Airborne Collision Avoidance (ACAS II) is far from fully deployed

Oh and the relevant ADS-B aerials aren't in the nose cone either
[1] Automatic Dependent Surveillance – Broadcast
[2] Monopulse Secondary Surveillance Radar (a bit like IFF)
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