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Callous bastards
Topic Started: Oct 11 2017, 09:08 AM (720 Views)
papasmurf
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Recently I have got really hacked of with callous bastards. I think they should be visibly identifiable so if the get into situations where they need help the general public can make an informed choice of giving them their own back by offering no assistance at all.
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ACH1967
Nov 6 2017, 12:35 PM


Finally. Can anyone SUCCINTLY and with decent verification say what the UK’s carrying capacity actually is?
I have many times referenced that, 22million in the long term. (30 million could be supported but that would be at a very subsistence level.)
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Nov 6 2017, 12:35 PM
Firstly I thin k we all know what PS means when he refers to callous bastards. There are those without a doubt who are selfish and heartless. IMO not that many really, probably about the same amount as those who live on benefits as a lifestyle so maybe they cancel each other out.

No-one "lives" on benefits as a lifestyle choice except in the minds of callous bastards and Tory ministers.
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papasmurf
Nov 6 2017, 12:41 PM
ACH1967
Nov 6 2017, 12:35 PM
Firstly I thin k we all know what PS means when he refers to callous bastards. There are those without a doubt who are selfish and heartless. IMO not that many really, probably about the same amount as those who live on benefits as a lifestyle so maybe they cancel each other out.

No-one "lives" on benefits as a lifestyle choice except in the minds of callous bastards and Tory ministers.
Yes they do. I am not a Tory minister, neither are several posters on this forum therefore your contention is patently wrong.
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papasmurf
Nov 6 2017, 12:38 PM
ACH1967
Nov 6 2017, 12:35 PM


Finally. Can anyone SUCCINTLY and with decent verification say what the UK’s carrying capacity actually is?
I have many times referenced that, 22million in the long term. (30 million could be supported but that would be at a very subsistence level.)
Well I haven't seen those references and given your posting history am skeptical (re the critical think thread in education).

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ACH1967
Nov 6 2017, 12:56 PM
Well I haven't seen those references
How long have you been a member of this forum and the old one?
The issue has been debated to death.
I am always reluctant to comment on the subject because quite frankly far too many people are just too thick to understand long term sustainable carrying capacity.
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ACH1967
Nov 6 2017, 12:54 PM
Yes they do. I am not a Tory minister, neither are several posters on this forum therefore your contention is patently wrong.
There is nothing wrong with my contention. "living" on benefits as a lifestyle choice is a figment of Tory imagination.
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Nov 6 2017, 03:17 PM
ACH1967
Nov 6 2017, 12:54 PM
Yes they do. I am not a Tory minister, neither are several posters on this forum therefore your contention is patently wrong.
There is nothing wrong with my contention. "living" on benefits as a lifestyle choice is a figment of Tory imagination.
Yes they do.
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ACH1967
Nov 6 2017, 12:35 PM
Firstly I thin k we all know what PS means when he refers to callous bastards. There are those without a doubt who are selfish and heartless. IMO not that many really, probably about the same amount as those who live on benefits as a lifestyle so maybe they cancel each other out.

Secondly, good call HH on the “we have to deport 38milion people to reach carrying capacity”. First off are there really 38 million people living in the UK who are not indigenous? I doubt it. I think your idea of getting rid of the feckless is best. Same problem with both approaches though, who would be foolish enough to take them? So surely that makes it a moot point.

Finally. Can anyone SUCCINTLY and with decent verification say what the UK’s carrying capacity actually is?
It's full to bursting??? Look up Londonistan?
Edited by marybrown, Nov 6 2017, 03:33 PM.
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Nov 6 2017, 03:26 PM
ACH1967
Nov 6 2017, 12:35 PM
Firstly I thin k we all know what PS means when he refers to callous bastards. There are those without a doubt who are selfish and heartless. IMO not that many really, probably about the same amount as those who live on benefits as a lifestyle so maybe they cancel each other out.

Secondly, good call HH on the “we have to deport 38milion people to reach carrying capacity”. First off are there really 38 million people living in the UK who are not indigenous? I doubt it. I think your idea of getting rid of the feckless is best. Same problem with both approaches though, who would be foolish enough to take them? So surely that makes it a moot point.

Finally. Can anyone SUCCINTLY and with decent verification say what the UK’s carrying capacity actually is?
It's full to bursting???
Ahh science and rationalism...gotta love it.
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ACH1967
Nov 6 2017, 03:29 PM
marybrown
Nov 6 2017, 03:26 PM
ACH1967
Nov 6 2017, 12:35 PM
Firstly I thin k we all know what PS means when he refers to callous bastards. There are those without a doubt who are selfish and heartless. IMO not that many really, probably about the same amount as those who live on benefits as a lifestyle so maybe they cancel each other out.

Secondly, good call HH on the “we have to deport 38milion people to reach carrying capacity”. First off are there really 38 million people living in the UK who are not indigenous? I doubt it. I think your idea of getting rid of the feckless is best. Same problem with both approaches though, who would be foolish enough to take them? So surely that makes it a moot point.

Finally. Can anyone SUCCINTLY and with decent verification say what the UK’s carrying capacity actually is?
It's full to bursting???
Ahh science and rationalism...gotta love it.
You have absolutely no idea...have you?
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Nov 6 2017, 03:34 PM
ACH1967
Nov 6 2017, 03:29 PM
marybrown
Nov 6 2017, 03:26 PM

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Ahh science and rationalism...gotta love it.
You have absolutely no idea...have you?
I think you have pretty much self established that applies to you rather than me.
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marybrown
Nov 6 2017, 03:34 PM
ACH1967
Nov 6 2017, 03:29 PM
marybrown
Nov 6 2017, 03:26 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Ahh science and rationalism...gotta love it.
You have absolutely no idea...have you?
Quite

UK: 702 per mile2

Netherlands: 1071 per mile2

South Korea: 1,329 per mile2

Macau: 55,061 per mile2


But sadly it seems we set records for wild hyperbole and utter BS posted per mile2
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Nov 6 2017, 07:46 PM
marybrown
Nov 6 2017, 03:34 PM
ACH1967
Nov 6 2017, 03:29 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
You have absolutely no idea...have you?
Quite

UK: 702 per mile2

Netherlands: 1071 per mile2

South Korea: 1,329 per mile2

Macau: 55,061 per mile2


But sadly it seems we set records for wild hyperbole and utter BS posted per mile2
I do not disagree that we are densely populated.

Over populated? Highly probable but is there a definition? Fit to bursting - wild hyperbole.
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Seconded ^
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ACH1967
Nov 7 2017, 10:20 AM
Steve K
Nov 6 2017, 07:46 PM
marybrown
Nov 6 2017, 03:34 PM

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Quite

UK: 702 per mile2

Netherlands: 1071 per mile2

South Korea: 1,329 per mile2

Macau: 55,061 per mile2


But sadly it seems we set records for wild hyperbole and utter BS posted per mile2
I do not disagree that we are densely populated.

Over populated? Highly probable but is there a definition? Fit to bursting - wild hyperbole.
I think what most people are concerned about is not open spaces but the absolute bursting point of our infrastructures and services which can no longer cope "efficiently" with the numbers that are using and requiring them.

Our infrastructures and services were never meant to cope with these numbers and thus we find ourselves wanting and waiting in every respect.
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Rich
Nov 7 2017, 07:59 PM
ACH1967
Nov 7 2017, 10:20 AM
Steve K
Nov 6 2017, 07:46 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep2

Netherlands: 1071 per mile2

South Korea: 1,329 per mile2

Macau: 55,061 per mile2


But sadly it seems we set records for wild hyperbole and utter BS posted per mile2
I do not disagree that we are densely populated.

Over populated? Highly probable but is there a definition? Fit to bursting - wild hyperbole.
I think what most people are concerned about is not open spaces but the absolute bursting point of our infrastructures and services which can no longer cope "efficiently" with the numbers that are using and requiring them.

Our infrastructures and services were never meant to cope with these numbers and thus we find ourselves wanting and waiting in every respect.
Except of course that those very infrastructures are actually very much dependent on those immigrants. And to a higher extent than the extra loading the immigrants place on them

You want an NHS without foreigners in it? Be careful what you wish for
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Nov 8 2017, 08:44 AM
Rich
Nov 7 2017, 07:59 PM
ACH1967
Nov 7 2017, 10:20 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep2

Netherlands: 1071 per mile2

South Korea: 1,329 per mile2

Macau: 55,061 per mile2


But sadly it seems we set records for wild hyperbole and utter BS posted per mile2
I think what most people are concerned about is not open spaces but the absolute bursting point of our infrastructures and services which can no longer cope "efficiently" with the numbers that are using and requiring them.

Our infrastructures and services were never meant to cope with these numbers and thus we find ourselves wanting and waiting in every respect.
Except of course that those very infrastructures are actually very much dependent on those immigrants. And to a higher extent than the extra loading the immigrants place on them

You want an NHS without foreigners in it? Be careful what you wish for
It was a political decision made by the party in power to spend the money coming in on from all these new bods on reducing the deficit rather than investing in the infrastructure to cope with the increased numbers. So not the immigrants but the government.

The party in power could have put processes in place to deter these new bods but chose not to. A political decision made by the party in power.

Don't blame the immigrants they are just doing what any rational person would do in their position. Blame the government that is giving you the shaft and blaming it on the EU when they quite clearly could have done something about it.

This is addressed to Rich.
Edited by ACH1967, Nov 8 2017, 09:44 AM.
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Nov 7 2017, 07:59 PM
ACH1967
Nov 7 2017, 10:20 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep2

Netherlands: 1071 per mile2

South Korea: 1,329 per mile2

Macau: 55,061 per mile2


But sadly it seems we set records for wild hyperbole and utter BS posted per mile2
I think what most people are concerned about is not open spaces but the absolute bursting point of our infrastructures and services which can no longer cope "efficiently" with the numbers that are using and requiring them.

Our infrastructures and services were never meant to cope with these numbers and thus we find ourselves wanting and waiting in every respect.
Except of course that those very infrastructures are actually very much dependent on those immigrants. And to a higher extent than the extra loading the immigrants place on them

You want an NHS without foreigners in it? Be careful what you wish for
That can be fixed if the will was there by using indigenous Brits, we are only robbing other countries of their valued skilled people and that is nothing to be proud of.

We (read governments) seem to think that they can assuage that anomaly by showering those countries with foreign aid cash.....wrong, it does not get to where it is aimed at and I am glad that Priti Patel will no longer have a say in the matter.
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I'm thinking of starting a new competition. Guess how many posts a thread will run for before foreign aid gets mentioned for absolutely no reason to do with the thread
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Nov 8 2017, 11:27 PM
I'm thinking of starting a new competition. Guess how many posts a thread will run for before foreign aid gets mentioned for absolutely no reason to do with the thread
You be the first to guess then. !wav!
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Nov 8 2017, 11:24 PM
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Nov 7 2017, 07:59 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep2

Netherlands: 1071 per mile2

South Korea: 1,329 per mile2

Macau: 55,061 per mile2


But sadly it seems we set records for wild hyperbole and utter BS posted per mile2
Except of course that those very infrastructures are actually very much dependent on those immigrants. And to a higher extent than the extra loading the immigrants place on them

You want an NHS without foreigners in it? Be careful what you wish for
That can be fixed if the will was there by using indigenous Brits, we are only robbing other countries of their valued skilled people and that is nothing to be proud of.

We (read governments) seem to think that they can assuage that anomaly by showering those countries with foreign aid cash.....wrong, it does not get to where it is aimed at and I am glad that Priti Patel will no longer have a say in the matter.
Quite if you are prepared to pay for it. How much more tax are you willing to pay to employ indigenous Brits rather than steal from abroad because that is the decision you have to make.

Also there is no will from the government to do this. In fact they have removed a bursary for nursing IIRC. Hardly the act of a government that is serious about employing the indigenous population in the NHS.

We have a pretty impressive health system on the cheap. If you want it staffed indigenously you can forget the cheap aspect of that. I don't mind either way. I am not ideological about health is delivered but those who make claims about doing it one way or the other really should appreciate the consequences of what they are suggesting. As usual it is not at all about will but all about money.
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