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Dash Cams
Topic Started: Oct 15 2017, 02:07 PM (264 Views)
ranger121
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I'm reliably informed that in Russia, it is a condition of your insurance on a car that you must have a dash cam fitted. Hence the proliferation of mainly Russian accident videos that appear on YouTube and the TV.

Isn't it about time that such a rule was enforced here? The amount of time that the police spend photographing and documenting what happened to cause an accident* whilst at the same time attempting to establish blame and therefore something to charge a driver with is somewhat ridiculous "in this day and age". Eye witnesses to collisions are notoriously unreliable, and frequently biased. Merely recovering the camera data from each car involved would easily and clearly establish exactly what happened without taking statements from everyone involved and would result in roads being closed for much less time whilst they clean up.

In fact, it may be wise to pressure car manufacturers to install cameras on cars as standard along with ABS and all the other fancy gadgets designed to 'make things safer'.

What do you think?

*Have you noticed that the police here don't attend 'accidents' any more? Apparently they're called 'Road Traffic Collisions' now. Allegedly, it's because people are not permitted to make a mistake when driving and nothing is an 'accident'. Someone MUST be blamed.



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ranger121
Oct 15 2017, 02:07 PM
I'm reliably informed that in Russia, it is a condition of your insurance on a car that you must have a dash cam fitted. Hence the proliferation of mainly Russian accident videos that appear on YouTube and the TV.

Isn't it about time that such a rule was enforced here? The amount of time that the police spend photographing and documenting what happened to cause an accident* whilst at the same time attempting to establish blame and therefore something to charge a driver with is somewhat ridiculous "in this day and age". Eye witnesses to collisions are notoriously unreliable, and frequently biased. Merely recovering the camera data from each car involved would easily and clearly establish exactly what happened without taking statements from everyone involved and would result in roads being closed for much less time whilst they clean up.

In fact, it may be wise to pressure car manufacturers to install cameras on cars as standard along with ABS and all the other fancy gadgets designed to 'make things safer'.

What do you think?

*Have you noticed that the police here don't attend 'accidents' any more? Apparently they're called 'Road Traffic Collisions' now. Allegedly, it's because people are not permitted to make a mistake when driving and nothing is an 'accident'. Someone MUST be blamed.



I'll not disagree with that post other than to suggest that cams be fitted forward and aft.
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They're not required by law in Russia, in fact at one time they were illegal in Russia

They're proliferation there has much to do with corrupt Russian police who would otherwise ensure the driver that bribed them would be able to blame the innocent.

As for requiring cameras here where would this stop? For a start they're are two types: those that have GPS so your speed before impact is measured and the cheaper ones that do not. And would we compel drivers to hand over their camera records

Then you have the danger that drivers will watch the camera video instead of the road ahead.

So I'm not in favour of compulsion but that said then yes I expect we will see them built into cars, that car manufacturers will make as much of a Horlicks of that as they have inbuilt Sat Navs and I will always use one when I can

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I'm told that Russian insurance companies there are insisting on dash cams to be installed so that blame can be established without the involvement of police and witnesses. Clearly, they're not too sure of police investigations either.

I don't believe that it should be compulsory to record GPS and speed as this is a slippery slope to tracking. Not that you can move anywhere in this country without being picked up by ANPR. There are at least 4 such cameras in this town.

My personal camera at the front is fitted behind the mirror and the display goes off after 1 minute. It's something that initially one does tend to keep checking, make sure it's working, but most of the time one completely ignores it and just get on with driving.

As to 'compelling' the release of the data, if you are involved in a collision and you hadn't made a mistake, then you wouldn't have a problem handing a copy over, would you?
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Could be something to do with the ''Crash for cash'' sting..lived 5 doors up from people who had so many crashed cars outside that it looked likes a scrapyard..And I had an insurance investigator knock my door..It's rather like cycle riders with a silly go pro on their helmets..if they get hit..the go pro won't matter??
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ranger121
Oct 15 2017, 02:07 PM
I'm reliably informed that in Russia, it is a condition of your insurance on a car that you must have a dash cam fitted. Hence the proliferation of mainly Russian accident videos that appear on YouTube and the TV.

Isn't it about time that such a rule was enforced here? The amount of time that the police spend photographing and documenting what happened to cause an accident* whilst at the same time attempting to establish blame and therefore something to charge a driver with is somewhat ridiculous "in this day and age". Eye witnesses to collisions are notoriously unreliable, and frequently biased. Merely recovering the camera data from each car involved would easily and clearly establish exactly what happened without taking statements from everyone involved and would result in roads being closed for much less time whilst they clean up.

In fact, it may be wise to pressure car manufacturers to install cameras on cars as standard along with ABS and all the other fancy gadgets designed to 'make things safer'.

What do you think?

*Have you noticed that the police here don't attend 'accidents' any more? Apparently they're called 'Road Traffic Collisions' now. Allegedly, it's because people are not permitted to make a mistake when driving and nothing is an 'accident'. Someone MUST be blamed.



The Black population of some American cities like Baltimore install them to protect themselves from arbitrary persecution, arrest and execution. It's a mandatory death sentence for a Black man to drive a Lexus in 21 States (not that the dash cams stop it because the Police get automatic acquittals in every case.)
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Oct 15 2017, 03:03 PM
It's rather like cycle riders with a silly go pro on their helmets..if they get hit..the go pro won't matter??
I going to have:

BUT IT WAS MY RIGHT-OF-WAY! engraved on my tombstone.
Edited by Curious Cdn, Oct 15 2017, 04:59 PM.
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Oct 15 2017, 04:56 PM
ranger121
Oct 15 2017, 02:07 PM
I'm reliably informed that in Russia, it is a condition of your insurance on a car that you must have a dash cam fitted. Hence the proliferation of mainly Russian accident videos that appear on YouTube and the TV.

Isn't it about time that such a rule was enforced here? The amount of time that the police spend photographing and documenting what happened to cause an accident* whilst at the same time attempting to establish blame and therefore something to charge a driver with is somewhat ridiculous "in this day and age". Eye witnesses to collisions are notoriously unreliable, and frequently biased. Merely recovering the camera data from each car involved would easily and clearly establish exactly what happened without taking statements from everyone involved and would result in roads being closed for much less time whilst they clean up.

In fact, it may be wise to pressure car manufacturers to install cameras on cars as standard along with ABS and all the other fancy gadgets designed to 'make things safer'.

What do you think?

*Have you noticed that the police here don't attend 'accidents' any more? Apparently they're called 'Road Traffic Collisions' now. Allegedly, it's because people are not permitted to make a mistake when driving and nothing is an 'accident'. Someone MUST be blamed.



The Black population of some American cities like Baltimore install them to protect themselves from arbitrary persecution, arrest and execution. It's a mandatory death sentence for a Black man to drive a Lexus in 21 States (not that the dash cams stop it because the Police get automatic acquittals in every case.)
"It's a mandatory death sentence for a Black man to drive a Lexus in 21 States ."

I find that very hard to believe, do you have any evidence of such death sentences being carried out?
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well.....

http://www.which.co.uk/reviews/dash-cams/article/car-insurance-discounts-for-dash-cam-owners

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Oct 15 2017, 04:59 PM
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Oct 15 2017, 04:56 PM
ranger121
Oct 15 2017, 02:07 PM
I'm reliably informed that in Russia, it is a condition of your insurance on a car that you must have a dash cam fitted. Hence the proliferation of mainly Russian accident videos that appear on YouTube and the TV.

Isn't it about time that such a rule was enforced here? The amount of time that the police spend photographing and documenting what happened to cause an accident* whilst at the same time attempting to establish blame and therefore something to charge a driver with is somewhat ridiculous "in this day and age". Eye witnesses to collisions are notoriously unreliable, and frequently biased. Merely recovering the camera data from each car involved would easily and clearly establish exactly what happened without taking statements from everyone involved and would result in roads being closed for much less time whilst they clean up.

In fact, it may be wise to pressure car manufacturers to install cameras on cars as standard along with ABS and all the other fancy gadgets designed to 'make things safer'.

What do you think?

*Have you noticed that the police here don't attend 'accidents' any more? Apparently they're called 'Road Traffic Collisions' now. Allegedly, it's because people are not permitted to make a mistake when driving and nothing is an 'accident'. Someone MUST be blamed.



The Black population of some American cities like Baltimore install them to protect themselves from arbitrary persecution, arrest and execution. It's a mandatory death sentence for a Black man to drive a Lexus in 21 States (not that the dash cams stop it because the Police get automatic acquittals in every case.)
"It's a mandatory death sentence for a Black man to drive a Lexus in 21 States ."

I find that very hard to believe, do you have any evidence of such death sentences being carried out?
It' called it a "DWB" offence in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_while_black

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Motorist_Green_Book

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Oct 15 2017, 05:53 PM
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"It's a mandatory death sentence for a Black man to drive a Lexus in 21 States ."

I find that very hard to believe, do you have any evidence of such death sentences being carried out?
It' called it a "DWB" offence in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_while_black

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Motorist_Green_Book

I apologise for being somewhat pedantic, but to save me time could you please point me in the EXACT direction of where American legislation say's that a black man will face a mandatory death sentence for driving a Lexus....what about if when he had finished his day's work of being a streetcar driver and then driven home in his Lexus?
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Oct 15 2017, 07:15 PM
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Oct 15 2017, 05:53 PM
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Oct 15 2017, 04:59 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
It' called it a "DWB" offence in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_while_black

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Motorist_Green_Book

I apologise for being somewhat pedantic, but to save me time could you please point me in the EXACT direction of where American legislation say's that a black man will face a mandatory death sentence for driving a Lexus....what about if when he had finished his day's work of being a streetcar driver and then driven home in his Lexus?
It was probably tongue in cheek, but never mind. Anyway I do seem to recall Lewis Hamilton being pulled up in Surrey whilst at the wheel of a top of the range Mercedes by a plod who suspected he'd nicked it.
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I apologise for being somewhat pedantic, but to save me time could you please point me in the EXACT direction of where American legislation say's that a black man will face a mandatory death sentence for driving a Lexus....what about if when he had finished his day's work of being a streetcar driver and then driven home in his Lexus?
It was probably tongue in cheek, but never mind. Anyway I do seem to recall Lewis Hamilton being pulled up in Surrey whilst at the wheel of a top of the range Mercedes by a plod who suspected he'd nicked it.
Probably? Mais non! There are summary executions being performed all over the English-speaking world! You're just so used to them that you don't notice them happening, anymore.

Aren't there?
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It was probably tongue in cheek, but never mind. Anyway I do seem to recall Lewis Hamilton being pulled up in Surrey whilst at the wheel of a top of the range Mercedes by a plod who suspected he'd nicked it.
Probably? Mais non! There are summary executions being performed all over the English-speaking world! You're just so used to them that you don't notice them happening, anymore.

Aren't there?
Shrugs:

I do not know what to make of your claims.
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Oct 15 2017, 08:14 PM
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Probably? Mais non! There are summary executions being performed all over the English-speaking world! You're just so used to them that you don't notice them happening, anymore.

Aren't there?
Shrugs:

I do not know what to make of your claims.
perhaps if you'd clicked his links . . .

Try googling Philando Castile or even Sandra Bland
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Oct 15 2017, 08:52 PM
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Shrugs:

I do not know what to make of your claims.
perhaps if you'd clicked his links . . .

Try googling Philando Castile or even Sandra Bland
That's all I needed, I am busy getting ready for work tomorrow and making grub and taking the dogs out for the last time today.

Thank you.
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Shrugs:

I do not know what to make of your claims.
perhaps if you'd clicked his links . . .

Try googling Philando Castile or even Sandra Bland
The Castile shooting was where it took 40 seconds between the police stopping a motorist for having a brake light out to the cop firing some 7 shots into the driver through the window in front of his girlfriend and her 4 year old daughter. The man told the officer that he was in possession of a weapon. I understand it's a law in some states to say so when armed; whether that is wise or not is debatable. Anyway, whilst looking for the demanded licence and registration, the cop interpreted that as 'reaching' for the weapon which was holstered on Castile's hip.

The cop was subsequently found innocent of 'second degree' manslaughter.
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Dash cameras are useful in sorting out culpability following an RTA. A good way of increasing there usage would be for the insurance companies to offer a discount on insurance cost if one is fitted. After all, the insurance companies are the main beneficiaries.
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Instead of a driver's mirror that tints itself at night when headlamps shine on it, I'd rather have a front and back camera built in to it instead.


"And it comes installed with front and rear cameras, which gets you an automatic discount on your insurance. Nice, mmm?"





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