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Trick or treat?; Halloween again!
Topic Started: Oct 28 2017, 10:58 AM (1,027 Views)
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As I look out of the window I can see dozens of little kids dressed as witches etc...the only difference here is that these children go round the shops with their parents to fill their ''buckets'' up...Anyone else heard of this?
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For a lot of people in Canada, the UK is a place that they left willingly.


Probably more that their grandfathers did. After some Great grandfathers took it off the natives. ;-)
Most definitely not Yanks?
You mean that the Redcoats took it off of the Native people and parceled it out to the immigrants, don't you?

That's what happened in Canada, anyway. All settlement and land grants were controlled by the Crown, without exception, all the way along.

Not Yanks.
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Probably more that their grandfathers did. After some Great grandfathers took it off the natives. ;-)
Most definitely not Yanks?
You mean that the Redcoats took it off of the Native people and parceled it out to the immigrants, don't you?

That's what happened in Canada, anyway. All settlement and land grants were controlled by the Crown, without exception, all the way along.

Not Yanks.


None of that mattered to the natives did it?
Both the Yanks and the Canucks took the land from the natives. The Yanks can’t pretend somebody else did it .
The Britis are natives of a small island that became a supreme world power by stealth , cruelty and aggression.
The Yanks are natives of a large landmass full of resources became a supreme world power by genocide hegemony( initially) of its surrounding neighbours then hegemony of most of the world by funding and fighting a world war that bankrupted everyone else .
Canucks are natives of a large land mass in the shadow of the US that the British redcoats took off the natives, parcelled the land up and gave it to immigrants .
Add to that the US lead and superb control of the media arts and culture and perhaps you can understand why the UK thinks of Canada as a rather boring rump of the US.
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The use of the term..''trick or treat'' was not common in Britain until the 1980's..(America)..however poorer people did go begging..it was called ''guising'' they would dress up and ask for money or food...in return they would sing you a song or pray for you?
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The use of the term..''trick or treat'' was not common in Britain until the 1980's..(America)..however poorer people did go begging..it was called ''guising'' they would dress up and ask for money or food...in return they would sing you a song or pray for you?


True ( in my experience anyway). It was more’ penny for the guy’ which is only a few days later.
Iirc there was a big push in the supermarkets to sell scary masks and pumpkins that preceded the common practice of trick or treat.
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The use of the term..''trick or treat'' was not common in Britain until the 1980's..(America)..however poorer people did go begging..it was called ''guising'' they would dress up and ask for money or food...in return they would sing you a song or pray for you?


True ( in my experience anyway). It was more’ penny for the guy’ which is only a few days later.
Iirc there was a big push in the supermarkets to sell scary masks and pumpkins that preceded the common practice of trick or treat.
Yes..I remember roads that were hell to walk up..a Guy Fawkes every 15 yds? usually on a rusty pushchair with a day glo mask...
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And then of course there's those bleeding carol singers
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And then of course there's those bleeding carol singers
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I haven't heard a carol singer in years..however we used to ignore them...
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Another form of begging was the ''Rag and bone man'' who used to entice you to get rid of any scrap..blowing his trumpet..took everything..copper boilers..lead..and in exchange he would give you a couple of goldfish..(yes I know this sounds mad!) I was apparently so anxious to own a goldfish that I went upstairs..took my Grandmother's chinchilla coat and exchanged it for 5 goldfish..and 2 balloons..No questions asked.. ;D
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I haven't heard a carol singer in years..however we used to ignore them...
I guess me pouring the boiling oil over them was a bit of a deterrent too :-[ Might also work on Trick or Treaters.

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Another form of begging was the ''Rag and bone man'' who used to entice you to get rid of any scrap..blowing his trumpet..took everything..copper boilers..lead..and in exchange he would give you a couple of goldfish..(yes I know this sounds mad!) I was apparently so anxious to own a goldfish that I went upstairs..took my Grandmother's chinchilla coat and exchanged it for 5 goldfish..and 2 balloons..
;D bet there was an awkward moment or two afterwards

Haven't seen a rag and bone man since the sixties. Or gypsies selling heather door to door
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Another form of begging was the ''Rag and bone man'' who used to entice you to get rid of any scrap..blowing his trumpet..took everything..copper boilers..lead..and in exchange he would give you a couple of goldfish..(yes I know this sounds mad!) I was apparently so anxious to own a goldfish that I went upstairs..took my Grandmother's chinchilla coat and exchanged it for 5 goldfish..and 2 balloons..
;D bet there was an awkward moment or two afterwards

Haven't seen a rag and bone man since the sixties. Or gypsies selling heather door to door
A lot of gypsies are selling ''lucky heather'' on the streets of Norwich..Last time I was accosted it was by a woman who was about 40..her shoes were worn down to their inner soles..She said ''buy some lucky heather Lady!..I had to point out that it obviously didn't work...
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Another form of begging was the ''Rag and bone man'' who used to entice you to get rid of any scrap..blowing his trumpet..took everything..copper boilers..lead..and in exchange he would give you a couple of goldfish..(yes I know this sounds mad!) I was apparently so anxious to own a goldfish that I went upstairs..took my Grandmother's chinchilla coat and exchanged it for 5 goldfish..and 2 balloons..
;D bet there was an awkward moment or two afterwards

She got it back..she ran faster than his horse...
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;D and Phew!
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;D and Phew!
Not really..I thought she was going to knock him out..however I did get to keep the goldfish..who next day were all tits up and I had to flush them down our ''Royal Doulton''...
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If you took some mild affairs to his cart..he would let you have a blow on his trumpet...Hence the saying ''not worth a blow on a ragman's trumpet''...
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Good for you but for most people in the UK Canada is an afterthought.
For a lot of people in Canada, the UK is a place that they left willingly.
Have you asked the thousands of orphaned Children that were shipped out by the UK to Canada to start a new life with a new family?....they had no choice.

Educate yourself here....

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/27/britains-child-migrant-programme-why-130000-children-were-shipped-abroad
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For a lot of people in Canada, the UK is a place that they left willingly.
Have you asked the thousands of orphaned Children that were shipped out by the UK to Canada to start a new life with a new family?....they had no choice.

Educate yourself here....

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/27/britains-child-migrant-programme-why-130000-children-were-shipped-abroad
The Somalians like it..when our factory was raided..and 100 people were ''taken away''..they appeared in Canada..all being trained as plumbers..And in actual fact..sent us a postcard with them all drinking beer?
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For a lot of people in Canada, the UK is a place that they left willingly.
Have you asked the thousands of orphaned Children that were shipped out by the UK to Canada to start a new life with a new family?....they had no choice.

Educate yourself here....

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/27/britains-child-migrant-programme-why-130000-children-were-shipped-abroad
The same happened with our children being shipped off to Australia...they were slaves..And even the evacuees..all have horrible stories to tell..
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My turn.

I was in town yesterday and there was this bloke begging outside the train station, he was a right state and stunk like a pile of dung, the language was pretty choice as well. A few hours later I came back the same way and he'd gone, but blow me down with a feather there he was in the car park getting into a 911 and wearing an Armarni suit, his missus was pretty decent as well and the 10 kids were all wearing designer gear and had the latest phone thingies.

So don't tell me beggars are poor I've seen the truth with my own eyes.
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And vaguely topical

Canadian school bans Trick or Treat themes

Apparently cowboy and Indian costumes, slaves, terrorist, gypsy, Rastafarian and "urban ghetto resident themed costumes are verboten . . . . .

. . .which means Nazi storm troopers, chainsaw/axe murderers and Jimmy Saville outfits are apparently OK

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You mean that the Redcoats took it off of the Native people and parceled it out to the immigrants, don't you?

That's what happened in Canada, anyway. All settlement and land grants were controlled by the Crown, without exception, all the way along.

Not Yanks.


None of that mattered to the natives did it?
Both the Yanks and the Canucks took the land from the natives. The Yanks can’t pretend somebody else did it .
The Britis are natives of a small island that became a supreme world power by stealth , cruelty and aggression.
The Yanks are natives of a large landmass full of resources became a supreme world power by genocide hegemony( initially) of its surrounding neighbours then hegemony of most of the world by funding and fighting a world war that bankrupted everyone else .
Canucks are natives of a large land mass in the shadow of the US that the British redcoats took off the natives, parcelled the land up and gave it to immigrants .
Add to that the US lead and superb control of the media arts and culture and perhaps you can understand why the UK thinks of Canada as a rather boring rump of the US.
No, it was the British and French who took it from the Indians. Your Imperial possessions have made you filthy rich and you probably believe that it is your due. The impoverished migrants who homesteaded and built lives here came involuntarily, often, at the end of British bayonets. You and your country are at least as guilty as ours.
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For a lot of people in Canada, the UK is a place that they left willingly.
Have you asked the thousands of orphaned Children that were shipped out by the UK to Canada to start a new life with a new family?....they had no choice.

Educate yourself here....

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/27/britains-child-migrant-programme-why-130000-children-were-shipped-abroad
The fate of the Home Children is well know, here. It is a part of the fabric of our country.

What kind of a horrible nation would do that to their children? ... round them up and sell them into servitude overseas? It's almost a genocide.
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None of that mattered to the natives did it?
Both the Yanks and the Canucks took the land from the natives. The Yanks can’t pretend somebody else did it .
The Britis are natives of a small island that became a supreme world power by stealth , cruelty and aggression.
The Yanks are natives of a large landmass full of resources became a supreme world power by genocide hegemony( initially) of its surrounding neighbours then hegemony of most of the world by funding and fighting a world war that bankrupted everyone else .
Canucks are natives of a large land mass in the shadow of the US that the British redcoats took off the natives, parcelled the land up and gave it to immigrants .
Add to that the US lead and superb control of the media arts and culture and perhaps you can understand why the UK thinks of Canada as a rather boring rump of the US.
No, it was the British and French who took it from the Indians. Your Imperial possessions have made you filthy rich and you probably believe that it is your due. The impoverished migrants who homesteaded and built lives here came involuntarily, often, at the end of British bayonets. You and your country are at least as guilty as ours.


I did point out that it was British redcoats that took it from the natives ( echoing you) . The Canucks were just complicit in it and reaped the material then and now gain now. Both the US and UK admit to taking lands from natives , they even glory in it. Whereas it seems that the Canadians pretend that they had nothing to do with it whilst reaping its rewards....you had better sell your victimhood to someone else cos I’m not buying it.
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None of that mattered to the natives did it?
Both the Yanks and the Canucks took the land from the natives. The Yanks can’t pretend somebody else did it .
The Britis are natives of a small island that became a supreme world power by stealth , cruelty and aggression.
The Yanks are natives of a large landmass full of resources became a supreme world power by genocide hegemony( initially) of its surrounding neighbours then hegemony of most of the world by funding and fighting a world war that bankrupted everyone else .
Canucks are natives of a large land mass in the shadow of the US that the British redcoats took off the natives, parcelled the land up and gave it to immigrants .
Add to that the US lead and superb control of the media arts and culture and perhaps you can understand why the UK thinks of Canada as a rather boring rump of the US.
No, it was the British and French who took it from the Indians. Your Imperial possessions have made you filthy rich and you probably believe that it is your due. The impoverished migrants who homesteaded and built lives here came involuntarily, often, at the end of British bayonets. You and your country are at least as guilty as ours.
Is that the Sins of the fathers quote??
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What kind of a horrible nation would do that to their children? ... round them up and sell them into servitude overseas? It's almost a genocide.
But keep in mind the Britain of yesteryear was held together by the fear of social embarrassment and the notion that mistakes should be buried and never mentioned again.
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Have you asked the thousands of orphaned Children that were shipped out by the UK to Canada to start a new life with a new family?....they had no choice.

Educate yourself here....

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/27/britains-child-migrant-programme-why-130000-children-were-shipped-abroad
The fate of the Home Children is well know, here. It is a part of the fabric of our country.

What kind of a horrible nation would do that to their children? ... round them up and sell them into servitude overseas? It's almost a genocide.
Apart from the millions of deaths that is

Do you look at your car and say it's almost an aircraft carrier? Hyperbole does seem to be in season.

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Have you asked the thousands of orphaned Children that were shipped out by the UK to Canada to start a new life with a new family?....they had no choice.

Educate yourself here....

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/27/britains-child-migrant-programme-why-130000-children-were-shipped-abroad
The fate of the Home Children is well know, here. It is a part of the fabric of our country.

What kind of a horrible nation would do that to their children? ... round them up and sell them into servitude overseas? It's almost a genocide.


these kind of people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system
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My turn.

I was in town yesterday and there was this bloke begging outside the train station, he was a right state and stunk like a pile of dung, the language was pretty choice as well. A few hours later I came back the same way and he'd gone, but blow me down with a feather there he was in the car park getting into a 911 and wearing an Armarni suit, his missus was pretty decent as well and the 10 kids were all wearing designer gear and had the latest phone thingies.

So don't tell me beggars are poor I've seen the truth with my own eyes.
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No, it was the British and French who took it from the Indians. Your Imperial possessions have made you filthy rich and you probably believe that it is your due. The impoverished migrants who homesteaded and built lives here came involuntarily, often, at the end of British bayonets. You and your country are at least as guilty as ours.


I did point out that it was British redcoats that took it from the natives ( echoing you) . The Canucks were just complicit in it and reaped the material then and now gain now. Both the US and UK admit to taking lands from natives , they even glory in it. Whereas it seems that the Canadians pretend that they had nothing to do with it whilst reaping its rewards....you had better sell your victimhood to someone else cos I’m not buying it.
The land that I live on now was occupied by the Mississauga nation 200 years ago. They are a migratory Ojibway people who ceded their land here for fresh digs north and west of here on Lake Huron where they are doing traditional things like hunting and fishing to this day.

The story is much darker, though. This is not the ancient homeland of the Mississauga. They were itinerant hunter-gatherers who were only here for about a century. The original inhabitants were the Wyandotte. You may know them as the "Huron" indians an they were a settled Iroquoian people who built large agricultural settlements quite similar to the Bronze Age Celtic settlements. They were a relatively advanced people land they left archaeology behind them suggesting that they lived in actual towns off up to 30,000. They also got caught up in a titanic global military struggle between Britain.an France for more than a century that culminated in the Seven Years War. The unfortunate Wyandotte allied themselves with the French. They were practically wiped off of the map. Smallpox finished them off completely and the Mississauga migrated into an empty land ... no one was left and it was a depopulated landscape from about 1750 through to the early 1800s. The white settlers started to turn up here in the early 1830's. They "took" it from ghosts.
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The fate of the Home Children is well know, here. It is a part of the fabric of our country.

What kind of a horrible nation would do that to their children? ... round them up and sell them into servitude overseas? It's almost a genocide.


these kind of people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system
Yes. Those Church of England churchmen who built and ran the Residential School System were proud British Imperialists who's motivation was to make the Indians British.

You have conveniently forgotten your own history.
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Yes. Those Church of England churchmen who built and ran the Residential School System were proud British Imperialists who's motivation was to make the Indians British.

You have conveniently forgotten your own history.
I remember the Indians arriving in the 1960's..no warning...
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I did point out that it was British redcoats that took it from the natives ( echoing you) . The Canucks were just complicit in it and reaped the material then and now gain now. Both the US and UK admit to taking lands from natives , they even glory in it. Whereas it seems that the Canadians pretend that they had nothing to do with it whilst reaping its rewards....you had better sell your victimhood to someone else cos I’m not buying it.
The land that I live on now was occupied by the Mississauga nation 200 years ago. They are a migratory Ojibway people who ceded their land here for fresh digs north and west of here on Lake Huron where they are doing traditional things like hunting and fishing to this day.

The story is much darker, though. This is not the ancient homeland of the Mississauga. They were itinerant hunter-gatherers who were only here for about a century. The original inhabitants were the Wyandotte. You may know them as the "Huron" indians an they were a settled Iroquoian people who built large agricultural settlements quite similar to the Bronze Age Celtic settlements. They were a relatively advanced people land they left archaeology behind them suggesting that they lived in actual towns off up to 30,000. They also got caught up in a titanic global military struggle between Britain.an France for more than a century that culminated in the Seven Years War. The unfortunate Wyandotte allied themselves with the French. They were practically wiped off of the map. Smallpox finished them off completely and the Mississauga migrated into an empty land ... no one was left and it was a depopulated landscape from about 1750 through to the early 1800s. The white settlers started to turn up here in the early 1830's. They "took" it from ghosts.

Of course they did.
The land where a I used to live the cockney tribe once roamed free. They were relatively advanced people who would spend ther time doing the okey cokey, drinking mild and bitter and occasionally going home to beat their wives. They made their living by making Jellied eels and stealing from the Docks(they called it work). Alas the hoards from the Indian subcontinent drove them out .
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Yes. Those Church of England churchmen who built and ran the Residential School System were proud British Imperialists who's motivation was to make the Indians British.

You have conveniently forgotten your own history.


Nope .Those people are your people as much as mine if not more. your lot were complicit just as much as your were in taking the land off the Natives. you just havent got the guts to admit it

Archbishop Michael Peers apologized to residential school survivors, on behalf of the Anglican Church of Canada, on August 6, 1993, at the National Native Convocation in Minaki, Ontario.[72] The following year the Presbyterian Church in Canada adopted a confession at its 120th General Assembly in Toronto on June 5, recognizing its role in residential schools and seeking forgiveness. The confession was presented on October 8 during a ceremony in Winnipeg.[75]

In 2004, immediately before signing the first Public Safety Protocol with the Assembly of First Nations, Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli issued an apology on behalf of the RCMP for its role in the Indian residential school system: "We, I, as Commissioner of the RCMP, am truly sorry for what role we played in the residential school system and the abuse that took place in the residential system."[76][77]

Federal government[edit]
On June 11, 2008, Prime Minister Stephen Harper issued a formal apology, on behalf of the sitting Cabinet, in front of an audience of Indigenous delegates, and in an address that was broadcast nationally on the CBC, for the past governments' policies of assimilation.[78][79] The Prime Minister apologized not only for the known excesses of the residential school system, but for the creation of the system itself. Harper delivered the speech in the House of Commons; the procedural device of a Committee of the Whole was used, so that Indigenous leaders, who were not Members of Parliament, could be allowed to respond to the apology on the floor of the House.[80]

Prime Minister Harper's apology excluded Newfoundland and Labrador as it was argued that the government should not be held accountable for pre-Confederation actions. Residential schools in Newfoundland and Labrador were located in St. Anthony, Cartwright, North West River, Nain and Makkovik. These schools were run by the International Grenfell Association and the German Monrovian Missionaries.[81] The government argued that because these schools were not created under the auspices of the Indian Act, they were not true residential schools. More than 1000 survivors disagreed and filed a class action lawsuit against the government for compensation in 2007. By the time the suit was settled in 2016, almost a decade later, dozens of plaintiffs had died. It was expected that up to 900 former students would be compensated.[82]


Dont pretend that you were bystanders. It just makes your argument ( 'the big boys did it and run away')more risible...if that were possible.
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The land that I live on now was occupied by the Mississauga nation 200 years ago. They are a migratory Ojibway people who ceded their land here for fresh digs north and west of here on Lake Huron where they are doing traditional things like hunting and fishing to this day.

The story is much darker, though. This is not the ancient homeland of the Mississauga. They were itinerant hunter-gatherers who were only here for about a century. The original inhabitants were the Wyandotte. You may know them as the "Huron" indians an they were a settled Iroquoian people who built large agricultural settlements quite similar to the Bronze Age Celtic settlements. They were a relatively advanced people land they left archaeology behind them suggesting that they lived in actual towns off up to 30,000. They also got caught up in a titanic global military struggle between Britain.an France for more than a century that culminated in the Seven Years War. The unfortunate Wyandotte allied themselves with the French. They were practically wiped off of the map. Smallpox finished them off completely and the Mississauga migrated into an empty land ... no one was left and it was a depopulated landscape from about 1750 through to the early 1800s. The white settlers started to turn up here in the early 1830's. They "took" it from ghosts.

Of course they did.
The land where a I used to live the cockney tribe once roamed free. They were relatively advanced people who would spend ther time doing the okey cokey, drinking mild and bitter and occasionally going home to beat their wives. They made their living by making Jellied eels and stealing from the Docks(they called it work). Alas the hoards from the Indian subcontinent drove them out .
It was a bit of a culture shock..sitting down cross legged on the pavement playing cards and blowing snot out of their noses with their fingers..
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Yes. Those Church of England churchmen who built and ran the Residential School System were proud British Imperialists who's motivation was to make the Indians British.

You have conveniently forgotten your own history.


Nope .Those people are your people as much as mine if not more. your lot were complicit just as much as your were in taking the land off the Natives. you just havent got the guts to admit it

Archbishop Michael Peers apologized to residential school survivors, on behalf of the Anglican Church of Canada, on August 6, 1993, at the National Native Convocation in Minaki, Ontario.[72] The following year the Presbyterian Church in Canada adopted a confession at its 120th General Assembly in Toronto on June 5, recognizing its role in residential schools and seeking forgiveness. The confession was presented on October 8 during a ceremony in Winnipeg.[75]

In 2004, immediately before signing the first Public Safety Protocol with the Assembly of First Nations, Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli issued an apology on behalf of the RCMP for its role in the Indian residential school system: "We, I, as Commissioner of the RCMP, am truly sorry for what role we played in the residential school system and the abuse that took place in the residential system."[76][77]

Federal government[edit]
On June 11, 2008, Prime Minister Stephen Harper issued a formal apology, on behalf of the sitting Cabinet, in front of an audience of Indigenous delegates, and in an address that was broadcast nationally on the CBC, for the past governments' policies of assimilation.[78][79] The Prime Minister apologized not only for the known excesses of the residential school system, but for the creation of the system itself. Harper delivered the speech in the House of Commons; the procedural device of a Committee of the Whole was used, so that Indigenous leaders, who were not Members of Parliament, could be allowed to respond to the apology on the floor of the House.[80]

Prime Minister Harper's apology excluded Newfoundland and Labrador as it was argued that the government should not be held accountable for pre-Confederation actions. Residential schools in Newfoundland and Labrador were located in St. Anthony, Cartwright, North West River, Nain and Makkovik. These schools were run by the International Grenfell Association and the German Monrovian Missionaries.[81] The government argued that because these schools were not created under the auspices of the Indian Act, they were not true residential schools. More than 1000 survivors disagreed and filed a class action lawsuit against the government for compensation in 2007. By the time the suit was settled in 2016, almost a decade later, dozens of plaintiffs had died. It was expected that up to 900 former students would be compensated.[82]


Dont pretend that you were bystanders. It just makes your argument ( 'the big boys did it and run away')more risible...if that were possible.
"Your clunker is broken? Not my problem, man! I sold it to you fair an square!"

By the way, it wasn't just Canada where this sort of disaster occurred as you enriched yourselves by looting the Third World. It also unfolded just about the same way in Australia, New Zealand, Polynesia, the Caribbean, South Africa, Central Africa, North Africa, Southeast Asia, Arabia and in every case, some conflict initiated by the British still festers away to this day.

"Not my problem, man!"
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Nope .Those people are your people as much as mine if not more. your lot were complicit just as much as your were in taking the land off the Natives. you just havent got the guts to admit it

Archbishop Michael Peers apologized to residential school survivors, on behalf of the Anglican Church of Canada, on August 6, 1993, at the National Native Convocation in Minaki, Ontario.[72] The following year the Presbyterian Church in Canada adopted a confession at its 120th General Assembly in Toronto on June 5, recognizing its role in residential schools and seeking forgiveness. The confession was presented on October 8 during a ceremony in Winnipeg.[75]

In 2004, immediately before signing the first Public Safety Protocol with the Assembly of First Nations, Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli issued an apology on behalf of the RCMP for its role in the Indian residential school system: "We, I, as Commissioner of the RCMP, am truly sorry for what role we played in the residential school system and the abuse that took place in the residential system."[76][77]

Federal government[edit]
On June 11, 2008, Prime Minister Stephen Harper issued a formal apology, on behalf of the sitting Cabinet, in front of an audience of Indigenous delegates, and in an address that was broadcast nationally on the CBC, for the past governments' policies of assimilation.[78][79] The Prime Minister apologized not only for the known excesses of the residential school system, but for the creation of the system itself. Harper delivered the speech in the House of Commons; the procedural device of a Committee of the Whole was used, so that Indigenous leaders, who were not Members of Parliament, could be allowed to respond to the apology on the floor of the House.[80]

Prime Minister Harper's apology excluded Newfoundland and Labrador as it was argued that the government should not be held accountable for pre-Confederation actions. Residential schools in Newfoundland and Labrador were located in St. Anthony, Cartwright, North West River, Nain and Makkovik. These schools were run by the International Grenfell Association and the German Monrovian Missionaries.[81] The government argued that because these schools were not created under the auspices of the Indian Act, they were not true residential schools. More than 1000 survivors disagreed and filed a class action lawsuit against the government for compensation in 2007. By the time the suit was settled in 2016, almost a decade later, dozens of plaintiffs had died. It was expected that up to 900 former students would be compensated.[82]


Dont pretend that you were bystanders. It just makes your argument ( 'the big boys did it and run away')more risible...if that were possible.
"Your clunker is broken? Not my problem, man! I sold it to you fair an square!"

By the way, it wasn't just Canada where this sort of disaster occurred as you enriched yourselves by looting the Third World. It also unfolded just about the same way in Australia, New Zealand, Polynesia, the Caribbean, South Africa, Central Africa, North Africa, Southeast Asia, Arabia and in every case, some conflict initiated by the British still festers away to this day.

"Not my problem, man!"


But you were never sold a clunker was you? You were given the land in parcels that was taken from the natives by the redcoats ( you admitted it ) but cannot seem to find the nerve to admit that you connived with the British before and after the fact.

I’ll repeat my post 42 just for you to read again
Both the Yanks and the Canucks took the land from the natives. The Yanks can’t pretend somebody else did it .
The Britis are natives of a small island that became a supreme world power by stealth , cruelty and aggression.
The Yanks are natives of a large landmass full of resources became a supreme world power by genocide hegemony( initially) of its surrounding neighbours then hegemony of most of the world by funding and fighting a world war that bankrupted everyone else .
Canucks are natives of a large land mass in the shadow of the US that the British redcoats took off the natives, parcelled the land up and gave it to immigrants .
Add to that the US lead and superb control of the media arts and culture and perhaps you can understand why the UK thinks of Canada as a rather boring rump of the US.



Come back when you are prepared to give up your land and wealth to the previous indigenous natives instead of pretending they were not there in the first place and we can talk about whose problem it is.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttps://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/27/britains-child-migrant-programme-why-130000-children-were-shipped-abroadhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system[72] The following year the Presbyterian Church in Canada adopted a confession at its 120th General Assembly in Toronto on June 5, recognizing its role in residential schools and seeking forgiveness. The confession was presented on October 8 during a ceremony in Winnipeg.[75]

In 2004, immediately before signing the first Public Safety Protocol with the Assembly of First Nations, Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli issued an apology on behalf of the RCMP for its role in the Indian residential school system: "We, I, as Commissioner of the RCMP, am truly sorry for what role we played in the residential school system and the abuse that took place in the residential system."[76][77]

Federal government[edit]
On June 11, 2008, Prime Minister Stephen Harper issued a formal apology, on behalf of the sitting Cabinet, in front of an audience of Indigenous delegates, and in an address that was broadcast nationally on the CBC, for the past governments' policies of assimilation.[78][79] The Prime Minister apologized not only for the known excesses of the residential school system, but for the creation of the system itself. Harper delivered the speech in the House of Commons; the procedural device of a Committee of the Whole was used, so that Indigenous leaders, who were not Members of Parliament, could be allowed to respond to the apology on the floor of the House.[80]

Prime Minister Harper's apology excluded Newfoundland and Labrador as it was argued that the government should not be held accountable for pre-Confederation actions. Residential schools in Newfoundland and Labrador were located in St. Anthony, Cartwright, North West River, Nain and Makkovik. These schools were run by the International Grenfell Association and the German Monrovian Missionaries.[81] The government argued that because these schools were not created under the auspices of the Indian Act, they were not true residential schools. More than 1000 survivors disagreed and filed a class action lawsuit against the government for compensation in 2007. By the time the suit was settled in 2016, almost a decade later, dozens of plaintiffs had died. It was expected that up to 900 former students would be compensated.[82]


Dont pretend that you were bystanders. It just makes your argument ( 'the big boys did it and run away')more risible...if that were possible.
"Your clunker is broken? Not my problem, man! I sold it to you fair an square!"

By the way, it wasn't just Canada where this sort of disaster occurred as you enriched yourselves by looting the Third World. It also unfolded just about the same way in Australia, New Zealand, Polynesia, the Caribbean, South Africa, Central Africa, North Africa, Southeast Asia, Arabia and in every case, some conflict initiated by the British still festers away to this day.

"Not my problem, man!"


But you were never sold a clunker was you? You were given the land in parcels that was taken from the natives by the redcoats ( you admitted it ) but cannot seem to find the nerve to admit that you connived with the British before and after the fact.

I’ll repeat my post 42 just for you to read again
Both the Yanks and the Canucks took the land from the natives. The Yanks can’t pretend somebody else did it .
The Britis are natives of a small island that became a supreme world power by stealth , cruelty and aggression.
The Yanks are natives of a large landmass full of resources became a supreme world power by genocide hegemony( initially) of its surrounding neighbours then hegemony of most of the world by funding and fighting a world war that bankrupted everyone else .
Canucks are natives of a large land mass in the shadow of the US that the British redcoats took off the natives, parcelled the land up and gave it to immigrants .
Add to that the US lead and superb control of the media arts and culture and perhaps you can understand why the UK thinks of Canada as a rather boring rump of the US.



Come back when you are prepared to give up your land and wealth to the previous indigenous natives instead of pretending they were not there in the first place and we can talk about whose problem it is.
89% of Canada is still Crown Land and it hasn't been doled out to anybody. Imperialism lingers on an on, even in de Nile.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttps://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/27/britains-child-migrant-programme-why-130000-children-were-shipped-abroadhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system"Your clunker is broken? Not my problem, man! I sold it to you fair an square!"

By the way, it wasn't just Canada where this sort of disaster occurred as you enriched yourselves by looting the Third World. It also unfolded just about the same way in Australia, New Zealand, Polynesia, the Caribbean, South Africa, Central Africa, North Africa, Southeast Asia, Arabia and in every case, some conflict initiated by the British still festers away to this day.

"Not my problem, man!"


But you were never sold a clunker was you? You were given the land in parcels that was taken from the natives by the redcoats ( you admitted it ) but cannot seem to find the nerve to admit that you connived with the British before and after the fact.

I’ll repeat my post 42 just for you to read again
Both the Yanks and the Canucks took the land from the natives. The Yanks can’t pretend somebody else did it .
The Britis are natives of a small island that became a supreme world power by stealth , cruelty and aggression.
The Yanks are natives of a large landmass full of resources became a supreme world power by genocide hegemony( initially) of its surrounding neighbours then hegemony of most of the world by funding and fighting a world war that bankrupted everyone else .
Canucks are natives of a large land mass in the shadow of the US that the British redcoats took off the natives, parcelled the land up and gave it to immigrants .
Add to that the US lead and superb control of the media arts and culture and perhaps you can understand why the UK thinks of Canada as a rather boring rump of the US.



Come back when you are prepared to give up your land and wealth to the previous indigenous natives instead of pretending they were not there in the first place and we can talk about whose problem it is.
89% of Canada is still Crown Land and it hasn't been doled out to anybody. Imperialism lingers on an on, even in de Nile.


The UK recognises it’s imperial past . It looks like it’s spawn North of the US live up de nial without a paddle.
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