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EU/New Zealand
Topic Started: Nov 6 2017, 11:32 PM (341 Views)
Mr Pat
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Really didn't want to start a thread for this, was looking for the 'thank god we're leaving' thread, but it seems to have all but evaporated, unless my eyes are deceiving me.

I see reports, that the EU have taken a very dim view of New Zealand opening up trade talks with Russia. And that the NZ diplomats have accused the EU of hypocrisy in light of the EU (as usual), willing to sabotage any future trade talks between the superstate and New Zealand if they go ahead with free trade talks. But the hypocrisy comes as the EU still exports to Russia.

It seems, the EU want to control who other nations trade with.

It really wants to become the second political policeman of the world doesn't it, and bully and bribe it's way round the globe.
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Tigger
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Rather that just take an Express story at face value why not do some further research?

Personally when visiting the DE I tend to get distracted by WW3 and alien stories.
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Steve K
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Well here's a link http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11940045

Seems to be worth its own thread

NZ needs to decide who it wants to get in the sack with. The EU has (with the UK being in the vanguard) imposed sanctions on Russia at cost to the EU nations. Can't exactly blame them for looking down on any nation that wishes to break with the international consensus over Crimea


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Tigger
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Well it looks like NZ wants to up the level of trade it's doing with Russia and bypass the current sanctions in place.

So certain people don't get this wrong trade with Russia still continues but at a lesser level than previously, the article is critical of the left wing NZ government that wants to ignore some of the the sanctions imposed by most Western nations that include the UK and US.
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Steve K
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If NZ goes down the route it wishes then it could lose its Five Eyes status. And since its bargain basement defence strategy is heavily levered off such agreements that might turn out to be more worrying for it.
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Mr Pat
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Nov 6 2017, 11:58 PM
Rather that just take an Express story at face value why not do some further research?

Personally when visiting the DE I tend to get distracted by WW3 and alien stories.
Rather than just make assumptions, why not get your facts right before spouting your usual ring-fencing of anything critical of your beloved EU?

I search other news outlets abroad rather than lap up pro-EU journalism here in the UK.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11940045
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Steve K
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Mr Pat
Nov 7 2017, 08:05 AM
Tigger
Nov 6 2017, 11:58 PM
Rather that just take an Express story at face value why not do some further research?

Personally when visiting the DE I tend to get distracted by WW3 and alien stories.
Rather than just make assumptions, why not get your facts right before spouting your usual ring-fencing of anything critical of your beloved EU?

I search other news outlets abroad rather than lap up pro-EU journalism here in the UK.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11940045
Or you just copied it from post 3
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Mr Pat
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Steve K
Nov 7 2017, 09:02 AM
Mr Pat
Nov 7 2017, 08:05 AM
Tigger
Nov 6 2017, 11:58 PM
Rather that just take an Express story at face value why not do some further research?

Personally when visiting the DE I tend to get distracted by WW3 and alien stories.
Rather than just make assumptions, why not get your facts right before spouting your usual ring-fencing of anything critical of your beloved EU?

I search other news outlets abroad rather than lap up pro-EU journalism here in the UK.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11940045
Or you just copied it from post 3
hmm, NO.
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papasmurf
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Data for UK trade with Russia:-

http://westminster-russia.org.uk/official-uk-russia-trade-figures-2015-2016/
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Tigger
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Mr Pat
Nov 7 2017, 08:05 AM
Rather than just make assumptions, why not get your facts right before spouting your usual ring-fencing of anything critical of your beloved EU?

And perhaps you should have read the whole article instead of just presenting US with the snippets you liked the sound of, just a thought..............
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Tigger
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Mr Pat
Nov 7 2017, 10:12 AM
Tigger
Nov 7 2017, 10:08 AM
Mr Pat
Nov 7 2017, 08:05 AM
Rather than just make assumptions, why not get your facts right before spouting your usual ring-fencing of anything critical of your beloved EU?

And perhaps you should have read the whole article instead of just presenting US with the snippets you liked the sound of, just a thought..............
And perhaps you should get back in your pram, failing that visit your friends again in Germany - we haven't had an anecdote for a day or two now!
My eldest son lives and works there, my first grandchild is also over the North Sea.

And to cheer you up this from the New Zealand Foreign Affairs and Trade website. :)

UK trade with NZ (in NZ dollars) $1.3bn, With the Nazi's it's $2.4bn, and as you might expect we run a trade deficit!

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Mr Pat
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Yes, we've all heard why you have an affinity with the EU and Germany specifically - you multicultural globalist you.

Yes, and I know you like to talk up the Germany economy wherever you can, but this poster is not bothered by your pining.

PS. just seen your mate pillored my post - glad you quoted it though. :thumbsup:
Edited by Mr Pat, Nov 7 2017, 10:49 AM.
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Tigger
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Mr Pat
Nov 7 2017, 10:46 AM
Yes, we've all heard why you have an affinity with the EU and Germany specifically - you multicultural globalist you.

Yes, and I know you like to talk up the Germany economy wherever you can, but this poster is not bothered by your pining.

PS. just seen your mate pillored my post - glad you quoted it though. :thumbsup:
The thing is it should have been us leading from the front, not the fucking Germans.

A critical mass of pompous idiots in the UK, that is the real problem here.........
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Mr Pat
Nov 7 2017, 10:46 AM
Yes, we've all heard why you have an affinity with the EU and Germany specifically - you multicultural globalist you.

Yes, and I know you like to talk up the Germany economy wherever you can, but this poster is not bothered by your pining.

PS. just seen your mate pillored my post - glad you quoted it though. :thumbsup:
!mod-s! I strongly suggest you cut it out with the stupid jibes and challenging moderator decisions in main forum

You broke the rules with blatant trolling and I kindly let you off with just Pilloring your post.

Other options are available
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Mr Pat
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Nov 7 2017, 10:59 AM
Mr Pat
Nov 7 2017, 10:46 AM
Yes, we've all heard why you have an affinity with the EU and Germany specifically - you multicultural globalist you.

Yes, and I know you like to talk up the Germany economy wherever you can, but this poster is not bothered by your pining.

PS. just seen your mate pillored my post - glad you quoted it though. :thumbsup:
The thing is it should have been us leading from the front, not the fucking Germans.

A critical mass of pompous idiots in the UK, that is the real problem here.........
Hubris; nostalgia; patriotism; nationalism and self pity don't wash here, we have no God given right to lead from the front.
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Tigger
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Mr Pat
Nov 7 2017, 11:01 AM
Hubris; nostalgia; patriotism; nationalism and self pity don't wash here, we have no God given right to lead from the front.
I disagree, we certainly had the moral authority, now pissed up the wall in a fit of nationalism, and we also had the diplomatic and global reach other mid ranking nations could only dream of, all these things should have added up to a Britain that led from the front in Europe and beyond.

But no, instead in a fit of self pity and a wave of xenophobia we threw it all away, don't complain when other medium sized nations step into the shoes we so willingly vacated.
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Mr Pat
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Nov 7 2017, 11:28 AM
Mr Pat
Nov 7 2017, 11:01 AM
Hubris; nostalgia; patriotism; nationalism and self pity don't wash here, we have no God given right to lead from the front.
I disagree, we certainly had the moral authority, now pissed up the wall in a fit of nationalism, and we also had the diplomatic and global reach other mid ranking nations could only dream of, all these things should have added up to a Britain that led from the front in Europe and beyond.

But no, instead in a fit of self pity and a wave of xenophobia we threw it all away, don't complain when other medium sized nations step into the shoes we so willingly vacated.
Yep, I have been making the point for some time that EU countries are likely to make a greater effort to trade within the EU after we leave. At a cost to UK exports and business ventures.
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Affa
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I'm surprised it's NZ and not France in the picture.
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Rich
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Nov 10 2017, 08:41 AM
Tigger
Nov 7 2017, 11:28 AM
Mr Pat
Nov 7 2017, 11:01 AM
Hubris; nostalgia; patriotism; nationalism and self pity don't wash here, we have no God given right to lead from the front.
I disagree, we certainly had the moral authority, now pissed up the wall in a fit of nationalism, and we also had the diplomatic and global reach other mid ranking nations could only dream of, all these things should have added up to a Britain that led from the front in Europe and beyond.

But no, instead in a fit of self pity and a wave of xenophobia we threw it all away, don't complain when other medium sized nations step into the shoes we so willingly vacated.
Yep, I have been making the point for some time that EU countries are likely to make a greater effort to trade within the EU after we leave. At a cost to UK exports and business ventures.
Any business you care to name that targets any particular sector must set it's retail selling price to be commensurate with the average wage across that sector.

Now, apart from Germany, France and the Netherlands who can be said to be living "comfortably" I would suggest that the other member states who are not so comfortably off will dilute the average wage across the whole of the EU.

This must mean that the manufacturers will have to cut their profit margins by lowering prices in order to sell quantity.....this is called turnover.....one suspects that quality will be the first casualty.
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Rich
Nov 10 2017, 08:41 PM
Any business you care to name that targets any particular sector must set it's retail selling price to be commensurate with the average wage across that sector.

Now, apart from Germany, France and the Netherlands who can be said to be living "comfortably" I would suggest that the other member states who are not so comfortably off will dilute the average wage across the whole of the EU.

This must mean that the manufacturers will have to cut their profit margins by lowering prices in order to sell quantity.....this is called turnover.....one suspects that quality will be the first casualty.
So many false assumptions here, the post is verging on the comical! :facepalm:
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Nov 6 2017, 11:58 PM
Rather that just take an Express story at face value why not do some further research?

Personally when visiting the DE I tend to get distracted by WW3 and alien stories.
Why not ? You take your info from the Guardian,the BBC those bastions of truth and neutrality. There I go again !jk! !jk! can't help myself
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