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| Merkel in deep trouble; German Election | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 17 2017, 12:02 AM (663 Views) | |
| xosg | Nov 17 2017, 12:02 AM Post #1 |
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Seems poor old Angela the Darling of the Left and progressives movements cannot form a government due to the rise of the right in part. Stumbling block seems to be, capping immigration sounds familiar. I wonder if the people have had enough of all this PC propaganda and Immigration once and for all. Given the rise of the right in Europe,which they denied and still do,seems to me Macron also is not doing very favourably with the public on his progressive views. I wonder if we have seen the end of left dogma and a new era is about to take over.Or could it be the start of the fall of the EU given the strength of feeling in Hungary Poland Italy and most recently Austria Spain and Catalonia,where people are embracing the notion of nation states at last Edited by xosg, Nov 17 2017, 12:03 AM.
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| Tigger | Nov 17 2017, 12:14 AM Post #2 |
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Classic ignorance! Because the government is always a coalition it takes time to put it all togehter, guess how long it took last time?
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| Steve K | Nov 17 2017, 12:17 AM Post #3 |
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Certainly not having an easy time right now. That's what you get with PResque voting solutions though. Amazing that the Greens want no cap on humanitarian migration. The Gruns really wouldn't want her to call a snap election leaving them campaigning for that http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-politics/merkel-facing-long-coalition-talks-offers-bigger-cuts-in-coal-fired-power-idUSKBN1DG10H |
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| Rich | Nov 17 2017, 01:25 AM Post #4 |
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I am not particularly worried, but I would dearly love to be a fly on the wall when she explains to German taxpayers that when Brexit finally happens in March 29, 2019, then that subscription hole will have to be filled or the less wealthy member states will have accept diluted financial aid. Given the choice, I wonder then what the uber deutschlanders will choose, if the latter then, other member states may well wish to chance their arm and leave and go it alone. Interesting times. I would like to see the EU decommissioned for no other reason than to see all those MEP's on fabulous wages get a real job. Then and only then will they get the first hand experience of what their policy making has done to the hard working taxpayers of Europe. |
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| xosg | Nov 17 2017, 05:17 PM Post #5 |
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True. But they have never had AFD to deal with or a millon immigrants |
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| marybrown | Nov 18 2017, 01:48 PM Post #6 |
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I wonder what Germany gives them? Housing? Free money? Free health care? Have they found jobs for a million migrants? |
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| xosg | Nov 18 2017, 02:22 PM Post #7 |
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Doubt it. But what it has done is kick her out of power hopefully. |
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| Rich | Nov 18 2017, 02:29 PM Post #8 |
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I think Germany, just like the UK are fed up with the status quo. It takes time for a big chunk of voters to go against establishments that have been going for decades.....but believe you me, it happens and will happen in Europe, one by one they too will leave despite whatever happens to the UK and eventually the EU will probably only consist of only 5 member states. Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy and Spain. The rest will just go their own way, I do however wonder, if that does come about in maybe 10 years time, what will happen to the schengen agreement and the 4 freedoms. Ah well, plenty to ponder upon. Edited by Rich, Nov 18 2017, 02:30 PM.
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| marybrown | Nov 18 2017, 02:47 PM Post #9 |
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It will be too late Rich?? |
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| Rich | Nov 18 2017, 03:29 PM Post #10 |
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It is already too late with regard to "open door policy" in the UK, .....the damage is done and irreversible. I defy any member of Parliament let alone concerned and interested dabating forum members to say how many bods are on this small and apparently "insignifacant" Island. Fxxk me....why on earth would anybody want to come here, legally or illegally for that matter. According to some on this forum, this country is worth diddly squat and we are idiots for being patriots of it. Perhaps those commentators should have watched the commemoration of rememberance at the Cenotaph last Sunday. Just my nationalistic thoughts and nothing more. Am I glad I was born in this country?.....you can bet your last fxxxxxg bottom dollar I am. |
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| papasmurf | Nov 18 2017, 03:35 PM Post #11 |
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I blame the gutter press, bad employers, and lack of enforcement of minimum pay and minimum working conditions. Don't get me started on Health and Safety or rather lack of it and foreign workers.) |
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| Rich | Nov 18 2017, 04:03 PM Post #12 |
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To cite another poster on this forum Papa, you completely miss the point, I'll give you a heads up clue. They do not come here for the weather or sightseeing.
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| marybrown | Nov 18 2017, 05:02 PM Post #13 |
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I am proud to be English..
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| Tigger | Nov 18 2017, 05:32 PM Post #14 |
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Medical care? Coming to a doctors waiting room in Munich? |
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| Tigger | Nov 18 2017, 05:34 PM Post #15 |
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What a self pitying post! The nation isn't just about you you know. |
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| xosg | Nov 18 2017, 07:58 PM Post #16 |
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What defines a nation ? To me that is, borders ,language ,culture, values. All of which we are slowly losing,but hopefully being turned around slowly If the left have their way, BORDERS basically anything on 2 legs can come in here now. Effectively doing away with the border If the left have their way, lLANGUAGE.speaks for itself. Try walking down any high street in the country. In a lot of places you will hear everything bar English If the left have their way, CULTURE tells you a lot when the most popular babies name is Mohammed and most popular dish is Chicken Tiki. If the left have their way, VALUES. We see the slow erosion of these every day in grooming gangs, lack of respect for the past. How I despise the left I cannot put into words |
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| Rich | Nov 18 2017, 08:03 PM Post #17 |
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I can, but I dare not.
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| Affa | Nov 19 2017, 01:02 AM Post #18 |
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I had a Pakistani doctor thirty years ago. It wasn't a Labour government that had a contunuing policy of overseas recruitment drives for the NHS. |
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| Rich | Nov 19 2017, 01:24 AM Post #19 |
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That's a fair comment, why then did they not make the effort to train up and employ more of our own home grown medical students? |
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| Affa | Nov 19 2017, 01:37 AM Post #20 |
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Cheaper! It takes five years study, funded by government, to qualify as a doctor, and a similar expense to train nurses. It's always about 'money' to the Tories, and spending cuts are part of their ethos. |
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| Rich | Nov 19 2017, 01:42 AM Post #21 |
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And labour had plenty of time to alter that situation....did they? Edited by Rich, Nov 19 2017, 01:43 AM.
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| Tigger | Nov 19 2017, 10:13 AM Post #22 |
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As you well know Blair and his gang DID pump a lot more money into the NHS after years of right wing neglect. |
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| papasmurf | Nov 19 2017, 10:20 AM Post #23 |
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I have missed no point at all. If the people clamouring to get to the UK were told the truth they would stay where they are. |
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| Rich | Nov 19 2017, 11:13 AM Post #24 |
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The truth?......tell me please Papa what you mean by that. |
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| papasmurf | Nov 19 2017, 11:25 AM Post #25 |
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I mean that the people clamouring to get here would stop bothering if they knew the dire living conditions they end up in, the exploitation, and the general nastiness which is the reality. |
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| Ewill | Nov 19 2017, 12:12 PM Post #26 |
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It takes five years study, funded by government Untrue,undergraduate students of medicine pay their own fees and may access a loan to do so for years 1-4 Gaining admission to the standard five-year courses means you are entitled to receive student loans from Student Finance England for maintenance and tuition fees in the first four years. Graduate students of medicine cannot access a fee loan for years 1-4 graduate medical and dental students on a five year course are different. In the first four years of the course, they would not be eligible to receive a loan for tuition fees Spoiler: click to toggle
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| marybrown | Nov 19 2017, 12:30 PM Post #27 |
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We do..but once they have qualified...they bugger off to America or Australia!! |
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| Rich | Nov 19 2017, 12:34 PM Post #28 |
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So, are you claiming that asylum seekers and refugees, legal or otherwise are worse off in the UK than they were in the country/place that they came from? |
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| papasmurf | Nov 19 2017, 01:18 PM Post #29 |
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A significant number of the economic migrants are, especially at the low end of employment. |
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| Rich | Nov 19 2017, 01:22 PM Post #30 |
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They do have another option. |
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| papasmurf | Nov 19 2017, 01:25 PM Post #31 |
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Quite, but they need to be told the truth before thinking about coming here. It is too later after they get here find out the truth and can't afford a ticket home. |
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| xosg | Nov 19 2017, 01:37 PM Post #32 |
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Dare say there where Pakistani doctors under Wilson to. Your point is ? ( Only concern with that would be if their qualifications were from Pakistan, as I don't think their training is as high as ours, a genuine concern, I might add ) I have no problem with Pakistani doctors or Indian doctors for that matter, at least they contribute. However I do have great concern with one armed plumbers and joiners walking in, or as I said basically anyone who has 2 legs. Go look at London underpasses to see our useful immigrants and what they contribute FACT. Edited by xosg, Nov 19 2017, 01:54 PM.
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| xosg | Nov 19 2017, 01:38 PM Post #33 |
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Then lets advertise it and stop the fookers |
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| xosg | Nov 19 2017, 01:42 PM Post #34 |
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Yes, and left it in the shit. With more debt than it ever had. Look at the PFI deals hospitals are crippled with the repayments for the next god knows how many years. All in hoc to private investment. Yes those great liberators done more to privatise the NHS than conservatives ever have. Your just to blind to see it |
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| papasmurf | Nov 19 2017, 01:44 PM Post #35 |
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Unfortunately the "fookers" are now spread across the French side of the English Channel from the Belgian border to the North Western tip of Brittany waiting for a chance to cross to Britain. |
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| Rich | Nov 19 2017, 02:02 PM Post #36 |
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Do behave Papa, it would be far cheaper for the taxpayer to pay for their fare home and be done with them rather than let them stay here and have to look after them on humanitarian grounds. That is why we have a foreign aid budget. |
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| papasmurf | Nov 19 2017, 02:05 PM Post #37 |
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Apparently Cornwall council has started to pay their tickets home. (Small number currently.) |
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| marybrown | Nov 19 2017, 02:10 PM Post #38 |
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What is the truth..they get here..get free housing..free money...free medical care..the more babies they have..the richer they become?? |
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| marybrown | Nov 19 2017, 02:30 PM Post #39 |
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Things got so bad in Hudds that they went to the Sikh temple..ate and slept there... |
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| papasmurf | Nov 19 2017, 04:36 PM Post #40 |
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That is the propaganda not the truth, the rude awakening happens after they get here. |
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