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| About me Pillorying posts; BE WARNED! | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 18 2017, 12:51 PM (525 Views) | |
| Steve K | Nov 18 2017, 12:51 PM Post #1 |
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This is a personal statement We have a handful of posters who keep posting just inside the line where a post is breaking the rules enough to need removing but arguably not enough to get a warning. It's a faff Pilloring these posts and the posters just go on to repeat same. I then get PMs from good posters bemoaning the way threads are dragged down Well in football yellow cards are given for persistent fouls where none taken on its own would get one. So guess what . . . multiple Pilloried posts too close together will start to get full warnings from me And in forums points don't make prizes, far from it |
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| Affa | Nov 18 2017, 12:57 PM Post #2 |
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I prepare
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| Rich | Nov 18 2017, 01:29 PM Post #3 |
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What does a "full house ban" constitute? |
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| Steve K | Nov 18 2017, 01:35 PM Post #4 |
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It's explained in point 5 of the OP here Rich http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/topic/30061780 |
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| Rich | Nov 18 2017, 01:41 PM Post #5 |
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Thank you for that.
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| marybrown | Nov 18 2017, 02:24 PM Post #6 |
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When are my 3 naughty points..given in one day..about 2 or 3 months ago..going to be deleted? |
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| xosg | Nov 18 2017, 02:34 PM Post #7 |
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Why am I one away from a full house ban ? For gods sake Only came back this fookin week |
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| marybrown | Nov 18 2017, 02:48 PM Post #8 |
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So am I... |
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| Rich | Nov 18 2017, 02:53 PM Post #9 |
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I have no answer mate, perhaps the one of the mods can explain why you have apparently accrued so many points but more importantly WHY? If you have either broke a forum rule, knowingly or even unknowingly then the reason should be given....we all know what tragically happened to Carl Sargeant recently. He was suspended and then sacked but without being told what for and whom had made a complaint against his character. Would that stand up in a court of law, the fact that someone has made an allegation about you, but you are not allowed to know what the allegation is or even who has made such an allegation? |
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| Steve K | Nov 18 2017, 03:13 PM Post #10 |
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And that was patiently explained to you by PM exchange just yesterday so that trolling is needless. As for Mary's question I will PM you Mary And Rich please get real Edited by Steve K, Nov 18 2017, 03:14 PM.
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| Rich | Nov 18 2017, 04:08 PM Post #11 |
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Okay, but I must apologise for the following pedantry. The thread title should read....."pillorying" https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pillory |
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| Steve K | Nov 18 2017, 04:27 PM Post #12 |
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fixed, ta
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| johnofgwent | Nov 18 2017, 04:53 PM Post #13 |
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It .. It is GREEN !!
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Well, not for the first time, I wonder if inventing the pillory was a good idea. We have three (no, four) areas we can ditch rule breaking posts A quarantine area that nobody except a moderator can see, which is where we keep the stuff we think a lawyer might want to to collect, or more to the point, we put stuff we don't want some smarmy lawyer to whinge we erased when he wanted the evidence to whoop someone's arse. A trash area that nobody except a moderator can see, which works like your recycle bin A Pillory we can transfer a rule breaking post into so the world can see what you were busted for And a dungeon into which we throw things you can fight over Im inclined to say stuff the dungeoning and pillorying, just throw them in the trash... because the pilory is not workign as an example and the dungeon just lets people fight. Opinions ??? |
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| Steve K | Nov 18 2017, 05:49 PM Post #14 |
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Well as you ask in public - The Quarantine allows us to add posts annotating why we placed something there and can be used to develop an opening post for a thread (eg Polls) before switching it to public view - Trash Can is a feature of Zeta software and gives quick removal and automatically adds the "Split from . . ." title. However if posts are left there we get "moan moan moan, where's my post gone?" requests - Dungeon allows posters to openly question mod decisions without disrupting the original threads or being visible to any guests - Pillory solves the above stated issue with the Trash Can. I tend to move any posts I've trashed into the Pillory unless they are seriously offensive So imho all four have their valid uses |
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| Rich | Nov 18 2017, 06:01 PM Post #15 |
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If one is being sincere and genuine in their postings but is unable to get their message across without being vile, ill humoured and rude, then I suggest that they are on the wrong forum and only in it with the intent of upsetting someone. We need new members, our latest behaviour is not conducive to that end. |
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| Steve K | Nov 18 2017, 06:04 PM Post #16 |
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I agree Rich which is a lot to do with the OP. |
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| Pro Veritas | Nov 18 2017, 06:34 PM Post #17 |
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I am forced to conclude that Rich's sentiment is on the right track. We would not need the Pillory or the Dungeon is Members posted within the rules the voluntarily signed up to. Now, I know, I've had a few Dungeoned or Pilloried posts in the past; but you only really see the hassle and headaches they create when you are this side of the Moderator curtain. I genuinely have no idea how Steve managed to retain a fair-minded and balanced to Moderating when he was pretty much the only "active" Moderator. Seeing what I can see in the Staff section of the forums there were times when this must have become damned close to a full time job for a lone Moderator. So a goes out to Steve.------------------------------------- Which leads me to my feeling about the issues raised by Steve and John in this thread. Steve's "cumulative" mod action leading to an infraction idea is a damned good one, and IMO much needed - there are some posters who are, in effect, just taking the piss with how close they deliberately get to breaking the rules, knowing full well they will often goad someone in to biting back (which IMO is pretty much the definition of Trolling). The Dungeon / Pillory conversation: I believe we need the Dungeon for genuine challenges to Moderator actions, and for those threads that can't be permitted to remain in the Main (Public) Forum. But I also take John's point that having so many places for "trash talk" is in some ways redundant, and can make a lot of work for Mods. I'm minded to think we be better with a "Moderator Challenge" sub forum only for such Challenges; and a single Dungeon/Pillory for the "trash talk" and that threads moved there require Mod Approval of new posts for 48 hours (so that people have time to cool down a bit, rather than escalating things what is essentially a no holds barred sub forum). All The Best Edited by Pro Veritas, Nov 18 2017, 06:36 PM.
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| Rich | Nov 18 2017, 06:46 PM Post #18 |
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Hmmmm...something to ponder on, despite my belief that authority should be able to be challenged without retribution.
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| Steve K | Nov 18 2017, 07:06 PM Post #19 |
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I agree but surely that's what Pro V was advocating with a Mod Challenge sub forum. Personally I'd leave things as they are. We allow challenges in the Dungeon without retribution. What we do not allow is false accusations of supposed fact especially malicious ones and we have seen some vicious blatantly made up false stories about moderation. The beauty of the Dungeon for challenges is a member can say "that was an unfair decision by the worst moderator in the world" and we can post back in same vein if we feel fit. Level playing field you know. |
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| Ewill | Nov 18 2017, 07:17 PM Post #20 |
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| Rich | Nov 18 2017, 07:19 PM Post #21 |
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Can you possibly tell me when I was last in the dungeon? |
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| Steve K | Nov 18 2017, 07:28 PM Post #22 |
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September http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/topic/30347818/1/#new |
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| Rich | Nov 18 2017, 08:10 PM Post #23 |
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Ah yes, I do recall that episode....a blemish on my record. That is what happens when you let someone get to you. You will note it has not happened since though it has come close to it. Best bet is to make use of the ignore button.
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| Affa | Nov 19 2017, 01:14 AM Post #24 |
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But in the Pillory replies are not possible!
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| Steve K | Nov 19 2017, 09:48 AM Post #25 |
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Yes posts go to the Pillory for a reason, usually that we don't want to see the fight that would break out if replies were allowed. If you want to comment on a post being in the Pillory you can copy the URL of the post (or some of its content) and mention it in the Dungeon Or there is the appeal system. |
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| Steve K | Nov 19 2017, 02:11 PM Post #26 |
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It is a fact that revealing content received by PM will normally attract severe moderator action. That isn't a threat, it's a promise |
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| Steve K | Nov 19 2017, 02:27 PM Post #27 |
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Thread locked for a short whileUpdate: and reopened. One post has been Pilloried and a number hidden pending further investigation Edited by Steve K, Nov 19 2017, 04:23 PM.
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| Steve K | Nov 19 2017, 04:29 PM Post #28 |
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utter BS ^Investigation has revealed that this refers to this post by me Here it is in full:
For the hard of reading or comprehension I will restate the key words with emphasis " . . not because they were wrong to be removed . . . " |
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| Curious Cdn | Nov 19 2017, 05:51 PM Post #29 |
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I keep noticing the name of this thread . Around these parts, the Piller and Post is a rather pleasant, little. hotel. http://www.vintage-hotels.com/pillarandpost/ |
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| Barry | Nov 19 2017, 09:30 PM Post #30 |
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I take it everyone's sick of discussing Brexit and sexual assaults in Westminster, or Mugabe being impeached or whether Juncker is drunker than Boris. |
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| Rich | Nov 19 2017, 11:16 PM Post #31 |
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I do like that one Barry..."Junker is Drunker"....a smashing headline for a daily rag.
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| Lewis | Nov 20 2017, 07:34 PM Post #32 |
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Can we have some clarity as to what does count as an Ad Hom? A web search revealed this to be "It is often a personal attack on one's character rather than an attempt to address the issue at hand." When I was accused, I didn't address the Ad Hom to any particular person as a personal attack would be and had I then that would be plain to me as a true Ad Hom. I addressed it as a generalisation in much the same way as someone may say that the 'left wing are idiots' per se. I actually stated "They have their preconceptions that won’t be moved because it is a study (not perfect admittedly), that shows their beloved Tories in a poor light." That to me is clearly a generalisation that doesn't apply to any specific person, in fact I have seen much worse and have been insulted in much worse ways by others and personal insults are Ad Homs in my book! Edited by Lewis, Nov 20 2017, 09:06 PM.
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| Steve K | Nov 20 2017, 07:45 PM Post #33 |
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Fair question and it is a grey area. I tried to see if we could clarify the most grey areas in that Indirect Insult thread http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/topic/30395473 But we got some asking for saintly behaviours to be enforced and some the opposite. So the best guides I can give you is (a) look in the Pillory and (b) my posts in that Indirect Insults thread that I'll copy in below:
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| Curious Cdn | Nov 21 2017, 12:43 AM Post #34 |
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Mugabe is crabby. He acts like a babby. But Juncker is drunker down in his bunker. ... with homage to Ogden Nash. |
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| Jus | Nov 23 2017, 06:51 PM Post #35 |
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Censorship prevents Intelligent discourse with ahead of their times thinkers like me. Abandon it now or all you have is a talking shop between the like minded. |
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| Pro Veritas | Nov 23 2017, 07:50 PM Post #36 |
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1) You'd need to prove that there is excessive censorship here. 2) You'd need to prove you are a "ahead of their times thinker". 3) The Rules we do have are those required to keep the Board legal, and some rules to keep the majority of discussion polite and not too disruptive. Outside of /pol I'd be hard pressed to name one Politics Forum with LESS censorship than we have here. All The Best |
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| Jus | Nov 23 2017, 09:00 PM Post #37 |
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I take your point. Most people disagree with me often so I beleive I must be ahead of their cognitive abilities like that bloke Galileo who was a free thinker. Just because you have “facts” on your side and chase popular support you Imagine I’m lesser Inclined to serious debate. |
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| Pro Veritas | Nov 23 2017, 09:47 PM Post #38 |
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A sane and rational person would assume that if most people disagreed with them it was because they themselves (the individual, NOT the most people) were wrong. A genuine "free thinker" would always entertain the possibility they could be wrong. I've had the fortune to know a genuine free thinker, I've not seen anything so far that would lead me to assume I am in the presence of another. Sorry. All The Best |
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| C-too | Nov 25 2017, 07:30 PM Post #39 |
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I recall on one occasion in the past when I posted a comment which I thought I had already posted but couldn't see it so I thought I must have forgot to post. That was until I was accused of reposting something that had been taken down. |
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| Steve K | Nov 25 2017, 10:49 PM Post #40 |
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And can you recall when that was as I have no recall of it |
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fixed, ta
goes out to Steve.
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