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Trump retweets Britain First videos
Topic Started: Nov 29 2017, 01:08 PM (1,074 Views)
papasmurf
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This is going to push a lot of news out of sight:-

More at link:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42166663

Trump Twitter account retweets incendiary videos 13 minutes ago From the section US & Canada


Donald Trump's Twitter account has retweeted three inflammatory videos from a British far-right group.

The first tweet from Jayda Fransen, the deputy leader of Britain First, claims to show a Muslim migrant attacking a man on crutches.

This was followed by two more videos of people Ms Fransen claims to be Muslim.
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Just seen this on news channels. It simply proves what most of us have known for some time; that their president is at heart a racist ignoramus with few redeeming features. God bless America!........ as they are so fond of saying.
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Alberich
Nov 29 2017, 01:32 PM
Just seen this on news channels. It simply proves what most of us have known for some time; that their president is at heart a racist ignoramus with few redeeming features. God bless America!........ as they are so fond of saying.
Now I do not know the first thing about Twitter or even how to access it, I do realise that it is a global application on the internet.

We do have a law that outlaws "incitement to racial hatred"

What can we as a country do to stop this sort of thing crossing the bounds of the laws of this land?
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Nov 29 2017, 01:40 PM


What can we as a country do to stop this sort of thing crossing the bounds of the laws of this land?
If you read all of the link "we" already are BUT the videos have not been removed.
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Can we have a link to the actual videos?
Anyone seen them?
Whats going on?
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Nov 29 2017, 02:35 PM
Can we have a link to the actual videos?
If I found a link I would not post it here. There are however apparently Britain First videos on YouTube.
Edited by papasmurf, Nov 29 2017, 02:48 PM.
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papasmurf
Nov 29 2017, 02:47 PM
Delf
Nov 29 2017, 02:35 PM
Can we have a link to the actual videos?
If I found a link I would not post it here. There are however apparently Britain First videos on YouTube.
If these videos are the whole crux of this issue how are we supposed to decide without viewing them?
Britain First hmm would I finish up in clink for going looking at that?
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Alberich
Nov 29 2017, 01:32 PM
Just seen this on news channels. It simply proves what most of us have known for some time; that their president is at heart a racist ignoramus with few redeeming features. God bless America!........ as they are so fond of saying.
Did it show the videos on the news?
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Delf
Nov 29 2017, 03:16 PM
Alberich
Nov 29 2017, 01:32 PM
Just seen this on news channels. It simply proves what most of us have known for some time; that their president is at heart a racist ignoramus with few redeeming features. God bless America!........ as they are so fond of saying.
Did it show the videos on the news?
No, but they did give a full description of their content.
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Delf
Nov 29 2017, 03:06 PM
If these videos are the whole crux of this issue how are we supposed to decide without viewing them?
Britain First hmm would I finish up in clink for going looking at that?
If you use twitter you probably can still view them using the links on Trump's twitter account.
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OK watched them on twitter.
Alberich explain to me how those clips make Trump a racist ignoramus?
Did he make those people do that?
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Delf
Nov 29 2017, 03:56 PM
OK watched them on twitter.
Alberich explain to me how those clips make Trump a racist ignoramus?
Did he make those people do that?
Have you read ALL of the link in the thread opener? What makes you think the videos are genuine?
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papasmurf
Nov 29 2017, 04:00 PM
Delf
Nov 29 2017, 03:56 PM
OK watched them on twitter.
Alberich explain to me how those clips make Trump a racist ignoramus?
Did he make those people do that?
Have you read ALL of the link in the thread opener? What makes you think the videos are genuine?
You watched them?
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Delf
Nov 29 2017, 04:05 PM
You watched them?
No, and I don't intend to watch Britain First propaganda.
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papasmurf
Nov 29 2017, 04:35 PM
Delf
Nov 29 2017, 04:05 PM
You watched them?
No, and I don't intend to watch Britain First propaganda.
I must be missing something here because I feel like I entered the twighlight zone.
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Nov 29 2017, 04:48 PM
I must be missing something here
What you appear to be missing is the World Wide news coverage of Trump's latest big blunder. Damian Green must be thing it is his lucky day after the Trump news took the spotlight off him after the not so veiled comments about him at PMQs today.
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Delf
Nov 29 2017, 03:56 PM
OK watched them on twitter.
Alberich explain to me how those clips make Trump a racist ignoramus?
Did he make those people do that?
A retweet is viewed by many, including Trump apparently as an endorsement.

You honestly can't see why the President of the USA endorsing a far right group is a problem?

Imagine if Obama had retweeted three videos from an Islamic extremist organisation, would your reaction have been the same?
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Alberich
Nov 29 2017, 01:32 PM
Just seen this on news channels. It simply proves what most of us have known for some time; that their president is at heart a racist ignoramus with few redeeming features. God bless America!........ as they are so fond of saying.
:thumbsup:

And he still thinks he'll get that state visit with all the trimmings
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Nov 29 2017, 05:43 PM
Delf
Nov 29 2017, 03:56 PM
OK watched them on twitter.
Alberich explain to me how those clips make Trump a racist ignoramus?
Did he make those people do that?
A retweet is viewed by many, including Trump apparently as an endorsement.

You honestly can't see why the President of the USA endorsing a far right group is a problem?

Imagine if Obama had retweeted three videos from an Islamic extremist organisation, would your reaction have been the same?
I have heard of Britain First but admit I don't know much about them.
They are as bad as ISIS or something?
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Nov 29 2017, 06:15 PM
I have heard of Britain First but admit I don't know much about them.
If you read all of the link in the thread starter you would be enlightened.
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Yesterday I was alerted to a facebook video (A phonecam record of the event) that showed dozens of Muslims dismantling a Christmas tree in a Rotherham shopping Mall. Men destroying the feature that celebrates the birth of Christ.
I was of half a mind to draw attention to it here. Before jumping in I researched it.
It turned out to be entirely different to what was alleged on FB.

Hoax anti-Islam Video
The video


However!
In the video there is a woman that appears to be less than happy at what we see - she gestures disgruntlement and throws some trash at the climbers.

Where is the truth? I certainly do not know and am not persuaded that either reports are at all true - the use of false messages is done by all sides. The truth a victim of propaganda exercises.
Edited by Affa, Nov 29 2017, 07:55 PM.
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The videos are factual videos. One appears to be a rooftop lynching by Islamic State operatives murdering someone.
One is a nasty individual attacking a guy on crutches and kicking him when he is dowm
The other I didn't watch.
I don't see how retweeting Jayda Fransen's videos has shown that Trump is a racist.
I don't endorse Britain first.
This has raised the profile of Jayda, who I'd never heard of before.
She made a speech outside Belfast City Hall in August and was arrested months later in Bromley, taken to Belfast for questioning then released after 4 hours questioning.
During the speech she criticised Islam. I would dearly love to see a transcript of the speech so that I can judge for myself, whether it was free speech or crossed the line into inciting racial hatred.
Sh'e up for trial in December.
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I shouldn't think Trump supports Britain First ...or even knows who they are

He has retweeted some nasty videos of people doing nasty stuff.

Problem is... it causes problems for Muslims and perpetuates some very unsavory views.

There is no point in trying to say the videos are false ....only to say that the people featured are extremists and not in any way representative of
millions of ordinary people living ordinary lives.
The tweet was undoubtedly malicious.
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Alberich
Nov 29 2017, 03:33 PM
Delf
Nov 29 2017, 03:16 PM
Alberich
Nov 29 2017, 01:32 PM
Just seen this on news channels. It simply proves what most of us have known for some time; that their president is at heart a racist ignoramus with few redeeming features. God bless America!........ as they are so fond of saying.
Did it show the videos on the news?
No, but they did give a full description of their content.
Sorry

A leftward leaning media puts out THEIR take and spin and you call it a full description if their content ....

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Nov 29 2017, 06:15 PM
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Nov 29 2017, 05:43 PM
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Nov 29 2017, 03:56 PM
OK watched them on twitter.
Alberich explain to me how those clips make Trump a racist ignoramus?
Did he make those people do that?
A retweet is viewed by many, including Trump apparently as an endorsement.

You honestly can't see why the President of the USA endorsing a far right group is a problem?

Imagine if Obama had retweeted three videos from an Islamic extremist organisation, would your reaction have been the same?
I have heard of Britain First but admit I don't know much about them.
They are as bad as ISIS or something?
Well you may not be surprised to hear I was in the audience for their founding meetings. They said at the time they sought to became third party akin to the lefts momentum and searchlight

They pretty soon abandoned that in favour if being a registered political party

I think its great. I reckon Peter Hains boot boys must be spitting feathers.
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Wow all this fuss, you would think it was Trump himself launching people off buildings.
How is this Britain First propaganda?
They made the videos?
If you watch them you are responsible for them rather than the actual people in them?
The level of insanity here is mind boggling.
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It seems to me that we are required to pretend nothing is happening.
If you even go to look at Britain First you are in danger of ending up inside as they have been deemed far right and not long ago threats of long sentences for viewing such material were made.
They just passed similar laws in Venezuela so people cant speak or protest.
How far are some willing to go with this?
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Nov 29 2017, 11:26 PM


A leftward leaning media
What "leftward leaning media?"
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Nov 30 2017, 07:47 AM

How far are some willing to go with this?
The British press being subject to Leveson 2 regulation would be a start.
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Nov 29 2017, 10:38 PM


There is no point in trying to say the videos are false ....only to say that the people featured are extremists and not in any way representative of
Really? Reasonable doubt?

https://www.snopes.com/video-beating-dutch-boy-crutches/
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Nov 30 2017, 07:47 AM
. . .If you even go to look at Britain First you are in danger of ending up inside as they have been deemed far right and not long ago threats of long sentences for viewing such material were made. . . .
!=== utter BS ^
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Nov 30 2017, 08:58 AM
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Nov 29 2017, 10:38 PM


There is no point in trying to say the videos are false ....only to say that the people featured are extremists and not in any way representative of
Really? Reasonable doubt?

https://www.snopes.com/video-beating-dutch-boy-crutches/
!clp!

Quote:
 
The suspect, who was born and raised in the Netherlands,


As I mentioned recently, the cleverest lie is the one the listener is predisposed to believe.
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Nov 30 2017, 09:03 AM


As I mentioned recently, the cleverest lie is the one the listener is predisposed to believe.
Quite, I could dare say given my contacts find videos of disabled people being beaten up/abused in Britain and not one of the attackers would be Muslim.
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Here's a good narrative describing the videos and why one is false and the other two are irrelevant to the UK

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-42165942

(Cue "it must be biased BBC" idiocies)

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Nov 30 2017, 07:47 AM
It seems to me that we are required to pretend nothing is happening.
If you even go to look at Britain First you are in danger of ending up inside as they have been deemed far right and not long ago threats of long sentences for viewing such material were made.
They just passed similar laws in Venezuela so people cant speak or protest.
How far are some willing to go with this?
Nobody is saying that we should ignore Islamic extremism much less suppress criticism of it.

What some people are saying firstly is that none of the videos are verified one is definitely fake. A spokesperson for the President has even said that it doesn't matter if it's fake. The leader of the free world is endorsing dubious at best and outright lies at worst produced by a far right organisation and you seriously ask what the problem is?

Again I will use an analogy to help you understand, say President Obama had retweeted three highly dubuous videos from an Islamic extremist group which purported to show American troops committing atrocities against Iraqi civilians and even when one of them was proven to be fake he still refused to admit fault.

Would you have been ok with the President of the USA:

A) Appearing to endorse an Islamic extremist group?
B) Knowingly presenting a lie as truth?
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. . .If you even go to look at Britain First you are in danger of ending up inside as they have been deemed far right and not long ago threats of long sentences for viewing such material were made. . . .
!=== utter BS ^
PorkyPie: Your either a bad liar or unaware.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/03/amber-rudd-viewers-of-online-terrorist-material-face-15-years-in-jail

“I want to make sure those who view despicable terrorist content online, including jihadi websites, far-right propaganda and bomb-making instructions, face the full force of the law,” said Rudd. “There is currently a gap in the law around material [that] is viewed or streamed from the internet without being permanently downloaded.

Right out of Ambers mouth.
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Nov 30 2017, 09:23 AM
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Nov 30 2017, 08:58 AM
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Nov 30 2017, 07:47 AM
. . .If you even go to look at Britain First you are in danger of ending up inside as they have been deemed far right and not long ago threats of long sentences for viewing such material were made. . . .
!=== utter BS ^
PorkyPie: Your either a bad liar or unaware.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/03/amber-rudd-viewers-of-online-terrorist-material-face-15-years-in-jail

“I want to make sure those who view despicable terrorist content online, including jihadi websites, far-right propaganda and bomb-making instructions, face the full force of the law,” said Rudd. “There is currently a gap in the law around material [that] is viewed or streamed from the internet without being permanently downloaded.

Right out of Ambers mouth.
And you didn't even read the snippet you quoted did you let alone the whole article.

Such a proposal by Rudd would require a change in the law and has such a change occurred? No

And such proposed change was for repeatedly viewing such not a single viewing as you were alleging. Do I have to repeatedly explain the difference to you?

And you forgot the 'reasonable excuse' defence and viewing such a politically highlighted video would easily fit such a defence.

So Delf the simplest explanation is you were lying and are now desperately trying to connive a false defence. You may have noticed no one died of shock when your lie was pointed out
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Nov 30 2017, 09:54 AM
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Nov 30 2017, 07:47 AM
It seems to me that we are required to pretend nothing is happening.
If you even go to look at Britain First you are in danger of ending up inside as they have been deemed far right and not long ago threats of long sentences for viewing such material were made.
They just passed similar laws in Venezuela so people cant speak or protest.
How far are some willing to go with this?
Nobody is saying that we should ignore Islamic extremism much less suppress criticism of it.

What some people are saying firstly is that none of the videos are verified one is definitely fake. A spokesperson for the President has even said that it doesn't matter if it's fake. The leader of the free world is endorsing dubious at best and outright lies at worst produced by a far right organisation and you seriously ask what the problem is?

Again I will use an analogy to help you understand, say President Obama had retweeted three highly dubuous videos from an Islamic extremist group which purported to show American troops committing atrocities against Iraqi civilians and even when one of them was proven to be fake he still refused to admit fault.

Would you have been ok with the President of the USA:

A) Appearing to endorse an Islamic extremist group?
B) Knowingly presenting a lie as truth?
Finding it hard to care about a made up scenario starring Obama.

Obama did endorse and fund terrorist/rebel groups
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-syria-obama-order/exclusive-obama-authorizes-secret-u-s-support-for-syrian-rebels-idUSBRE8701OK20120801

You baizuo are crazy.


The hypothetical scenario was meant to help you understand why people are angry with Trump which seemed to mystify you so much.

Glad you brought up Syria, apparently one of the videos shows someone from the Syrian Free Army, an organisation previously supported by the Trump administration.

The other happened in Egypt and the perpetrator was arrested, tried and executed. Hardly a ringing endorsement by the wider muslim community.

The third video, as already established is a fake.

So tell me what exactly are we supposed to take from these videos?
Edited by Happy Hornet, Nov 30 2017, 12:29 PM.
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Seeing reports in the press today I appreciate that the boy on crutches video is what it is, but is NOT a Muslim immigrant.
(Although I never said that it was, of course)
https://www.snopes.com/video-beating-dutch-boy-crutches/
Someone in Trump's position could get facts checked before retweeting stuff.
Even better, he could close down his Twitter account and get on with governing the country, properly. Not by social media.
The other 2 videos, I believe, highlight how nasty Muslim extremists like IS are, but we already knew that.
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In response to Trump's comment that Theresa May should "Focus on terrorism in the UK":

"You have a mass shooting every single day in your country, your murder rate is many times that of the UK, your healthcare system is a disgrace, you can’t pass anything through a congress that you control. I would focus on that."https://t.co/SNcqOZGvLQ

Very well put.
Edited by Happy Hornet, Nov 30 2017, 11:02 AM.
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