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Independent Press Standards Organisation
Topic Started: Dec 5 2017, 10:48 AM (537 Views)
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The press and standards is an Oxymoron. I could not believe this press release from Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO)
Who are they trying to kid:-

More at link:-

https://www.ipso.co.uk/

04.12.17

Regulator announces new IPSO Mark for its 2,500 Publications

In an era where the public’s trust in journalism has been undermined because of the rise of ‘fake news’, the new IPSO mark is a way in which the 2,500 newspapers, magazines and websites can show that they embrace high editorial standards and public accountability.



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papasmurf
Dec 5 2017, 10:48 AM
The press and standards is an Oxymoron. I could not believe this press release from Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO)
Who are they trying to kid:-

More at link:-

https://www.ipso.co.uk/

04.12.17

Regulator announces new IPSO Mark for its 2,500 Publications

In an era where the public’s trust in journalism has been undermined because of the rise of ‘fake news’, the new IPSO mark is a way in which the 2,500 newspapers, magazines and websites can show that they embrace high editorial standards and public accountability.



There's some great stuff on that site, thanks for posting it

Who knew there is apparently a difference between being non-gendered and gender fluid?

https://www.ipso.co.uk/rulings-and-resolution-statements/ruling/?id=00545-16
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Dec 5 2017, 11:12 AM
There's some great stuff on that site, thanks for posting it

IPSO is a complete total and utter waste of time as a press regulator. It can't be independent with Paul Dacre effectively controlling it.
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papasmurf
Dec 5 2017, 11:21 AM
IPSO is a complete total and utter waste of time as a press regulator. It can't be independent with Paul Dacre effectively controlling it.
Funny, I don't see Mr Dacre's name anywhere on this page: https://www.ipso.co.uk/about-ipso/board-complaints-committee-and-staff/

I'm guessing that, as usual, you just know better than everyone else, eh?


All The Best
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Dec 5 2017, 11:37 AM
Funny, I don't see Mr Dacre's name anywhere on this page: https://www.ipso.co.uk/about-ipso/board-complaints-committee-and-staff/

I'm guessing that, as usual, you just know better than everyone else, eh?


All The Best
He was on the committee but retired from it. (I was not up to speed on that.) But as you have looked at the members of IPSO by no stretch of the imagination can it be called independent.
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papasmurf
Dec 5 2017, 12:32 PM
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Dec 5 2017, 11:37 AM
Funny, I don't see Mr Dacre's name anywhere on this page: https://www.ipso.co.uk/about-ipso/board-complaints-committee-and-staff/

I'm guessing that, as usual, you just know better than everyone else, eh?


All The Best
He was on the committee but retired from it. (I was not up to speed on that.) But as you have looked at the members of IPSO by no stretch of the imagination can it be called independent.
Are you saying that because they are members then ipso facto it can't be independent? ;-)

(sorry couldn't resist :-[ )
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Dec 5 2017, 02:01 PM
Are you saying that because they are members then ipso facto it can't be independent?
The Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO) is still the press policing themselves and that is NOT working.
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papasmurf
Dec 5 2017, 02:07 PM
Steve K
Dec 5 2017, 02:01 PM
Are you saying that because they are members then ipso facto it can't be independent?
The Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO) is still the press policing themselves and that is NOT working.
The pun just flew right past you didn't it
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Dec 5 2017, 02:07 PM
Steve K
Dec 5 2017, 02:01 PM
Are you saying that because they are members then ipso facto it can't be independent?
The Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO) is still the press policing themselves and that is NOT working.
Why do you say that, Smurfy? It IS working, with the necessary light touch needed to ensure a free press, and THAT is something worth fighting for. Or would you rather the press be neutered by the likes of Hugh Grant and his clique of vested interests?
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Social media trending is fast becoming the preferred news of the masses nowadays. The newspapers and other media news are fast becoming sound bites for internet news and social media. This is why so called fake news has become so prevalent.
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Dec 5 2017, 04:00 PM
Why do you say that, Smurfy? It IS working, with the necessary light touch needed to ensure a free press, and THAT is something worth fighting for. Or would you rather the press be neutered by the likes of Hugh Grant and his clique of vested interests?
It is NOT working. You have also swallowed the press propaganda which is trying prevent the implementation of Leveson 2. (as soon as I read:- Hugh Grant and his clique of vested interests? you card was marked.
IPSO will NOT accept complaints from groups of people so the regular attacks on groups of vulnerable people by nasty newspapers like the Daily Mail have not been curbed.
IPSO CANNOT regulate the press because it is NOT independent of the press.
IMPRESS https://www.impress.press/ is the way forward.

Suggested reading for you:-

http://www.transparencyproject.org.uk/press-regulation-why-we-are-unimpressed-by-ipso/

https://www.gla.ac.uk/media/media_214917_en.pdf


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Dec 5 2017, 04:17 PM
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Dec 5 2017, 04:00 PM
Why do you say that, Smurfy? It IS working, with the necessary light touch needed to ensure a free press, and THAT is something worth fighting for. Or would you rather the press be neutered by the likes of Hugh Grant and his clique of vested interests?
It is NOT working. You have also swallowed the press propaganda which is trying prevent the implementation of Leveson 2. (as soon as I read:- Hugh Grant and his clique of vested interests? you card was marked.
IPSO will NOT accept complaints from groups of people so the regular attacks on groups of vulnerable people by nasty newspapers like the Daily Mail have not been curbed.
IPSO CANNOT regulate the press because it is NOT independent of the press.
IMPRESS https://www.impress.press/ is the way forward.

Suggested reading for you:-

http://www.transparencyproject.org.uk/press-regulation-why-we-are-unimpressed-by-ipso/

https://www.gla.ac.uk/media/media_214917_en.pdf


IPSO will NOT accept complaints from groups of people so the regular attacks on groups of vulnerable people by nasty newspapers like the Daily Mail have not been curbed.



Bollax

You haven't read that site properly ( I told you it was brilliant- you should take note)

Some blind chap who is now a chapess (don't ask - I don't know) stood as a prospective MP and a transgender association complained about a newspaper column and subsequent apology - The complaint was even upheld ipso facto  !bgrin! :-[ (irresistible SK)

2. Trans Media Watch complained as a representative group affected by the alleged breach of the Code. 

https://www.ipso.co.uk/rulings-and-resolution-statements/ruling/?id=00572-15
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When the press come under the spotlight I always am reminded of the Telegraph running an article (circa 2005) that made the claim that NL had increased the tax burden by over a third (Tax & Spend Labour).
What they referenced was that UK Treasury income was up by over a third.
Up because the economy was growing (stabiity), because there were a million more in work, and Welfare spending was actually lower in real terms.

In 2005 the Tax Freedom date was earlier than in 1997 ......... the tax burden was actually lower!
This is how the Right report FALSE NEWS.
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Dec 5 2017, 05:09 PM
When the press under the spotlight I always am reminded of the Telegraph running an article (circa 2005) that made the claim that NL had increased the tax burden by over a third (Tax & Spend Labour).
What they referenced was that UK Treasury income was up by over a third.
Up because the economy was growing (stabiity), because there were a million more in work, and Welfare spending was actually lower in real terms.

In 2005 the Tax Freedom date was earlier than in 1997 ......... the tax burden was actually lower!
This is how the Right report FALSE NEWS.
You can remember ''precise'' anecdotal references to a supposed newspaper article from 12 years ago but can't reference the article?

:'(
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Affa
Dec 5 2017, 05:09 PM
When the press come under the spotlight I always am reminded of the Telegraph running an article (circa 2005) that made the claim that NL had increased the tax burden by over a third (Tax & Spend Labour).
What they referenced was that UK Treasury income was up by over a third.
Up because the economy was growing (stabiity), because there were a million more in work, and Welfare spending was actually lower in real terms.

In 2005 the Tax Freedom date was earlier than in 1997 ......... the tax burden was actually lower!
This is how the Right report FALSE NEWS.


The right ,left and everywhere in between report false news...and false promises.
In fact I recall the UK getting involved in a war on the strength of it.
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Dec 5 2017, 04:53 PM

You haven't read that site properly ( I told you it was brilliant- you should take note)

You haven't read the site properly. (Or the two links I just posted.) .
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Dec 5 2017, 05:27 PM
Ewill
Dec 5 2017, 04:53 PM

You haven't read that site properly ( I told you it was brilliant- you should take note)

You haven't read the site properly. (Or the two links I just posted.) .


Instead of taking one line out of the post and mirroring it why dint you actually address the point made? Is it because you can’t?
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Dec 5 2017, 05:31 PM


Instead of taking one line out of the post and mirroring it why dint you actually address the point made? Is it because you can’t?
You have very obviously been badly influenced press propaganda against Leveson 2 so debating with you is a waste of time as is IPSO.
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Dec 5 2017, 04:17 PM
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Why do you say that, Smurfy? It IS working, with the necessary light touch needed to ensure a free press, and THAT is something worth fighting for. Or would you rather the press be neutered by the likes of Hugh Grant and his clique of vested interests?
It is NOT working. You have also swallowed the press propaganda which is trying prevent the implementation of Leveson 2. (as soon as I read:- Hugh Grant and his clique of vested interests? you card was marked.
IPSO will NOT accept complaints from groups of people so the regular attacks on groups of vulnerable people by nasty newspapers like the Daily Mail have not been curbed.
IPSO CANNOT regulate the press because it is NOT independent of the press.
IMPRESS https://www.impress.press/ is the way forward.

Suggested reading for you:-

http://www.transparencyproject.org.uk/press-regulation-why-we-are-unimpressed-by-ipso/

https://www.gla.ac.uk/media/media_214917_en.pdf


And as soon as I read "regulate the press", then we know where you are coming from. There are few freedoms more important than that of having a free press. The ones now seeking to control it are serving their own vested interests. Nothing they would like more than to have the press neutered; unable to investigate freely, and expose wrong doing and corruption where they find it. If the press break the existing laws, they are liable. If they libel, then they are accountable. And if they occasionally get it wrong, then that is a price worth paying to maintain their freedom to publish and be damned!

But you are so blinkered I don't expect you to understand that.
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Dec 5 2017, 05:33 PM
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Instead of taking one line out of the post and mirroring it why dint you actually address the point made? Is it because you can’t?
You have very obviously been badly influenced press propaganda against Leveson 2 so debating with you is a waste of time as is IPSO.


So it’s because you can’t then...
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Dec 5 2017, 05:36 PM
And as soon as I read "regulate the press", then we know where you are coming from.
No you don't know where I am coming from. ALL that is being asked is for an independent of the press organisation to deal with complaints against the press.
With the power to force retractions and apologies promptly and with the same prominence as the offending article.
IPSO does not and will not every do that.
There is no dastardly plot to curb the freedom of the press. (Which we don't currently have anyway.)
All that is being asked if for the press to comply with it's own code of practice, which currently might as well be bog paper.
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Dec 5 2017, 04:53 PM

You haven't read that site properly ( I told you it was brilliant- you should take note)

You haven't read the site properly. (Or the two links I just posted.) .
I read the site assiduously !wav!

What people whinge about is incredible , the rulings links are brill

I did read your links ,they were !(0)!
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Dec 5 2017, 07:14 PM
I read the site assiduously !wav!

You did not spot these faults on it:-

http://hackinginquiry.org/comment/ipsos-sham-arbitration-system/

In IPSO’s 3 years existence it has done no arbitrations, issued no sanctions against its members, fined no newspapers, and conducted no standards investigations.
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Dec 5 2017, 07:21 PM
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Dec 5 2017, 07:14 PM
I read the site assiduously !wav!

You did not spot these faults on it:-

http://hackinginquiry.org/comment/ipsos-sham-arbitration-system/

In IPSO’s 3 years existence it has done no arbitrations, issued no sanctions against its members, fined no newspapers, and conducted no standards investigations.
That’s according to a pressure group, lots of resolutions on the IPSO site
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lots of resolutions on the IPSO site
Not in favour of the person who complained. IPSO has done close to eff all in the years it has existed.
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Dec 5 2017, 08:36 PM
lots of resolutions on the IPSO site
Not in favour of the person who complained. IPSO has done close to eff all in the years it has existed.
!jk!

I even posted up a link to one such ''win'' for the complainant-obviously you didn't read it

The complaint made by Trans media against the Sun on behalf of the chap/ess who was standing as an MP was upheld by IPSO
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Dec 6 2017, 11:08 AM


I even posted up a link to one such ''win'' for the complainant-obviously you didn't read it

That is ONE case. IPSO is a failure.

Suggested reading:-

http://www.transparencyproject.org.uk/press-regulation-why-we-are-unimpressed-by-ipso/

Edited by papasmurf, Dec 6 2017, 11:23 AM.
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Dec 6 2017, 11:08 AM


I even posted up a link to one such ''win'' for the complainant-obviously you didn't read it

That is ONE case. IPSO is a failure.

Suggested reading:-

http://www.transparencyproject.org.uk/press-regulation-why-we-are-unimpressed-by-ipso/

That is ONE case. IPSO is a failure.


You really should check your facts before posting such nonsense

The link is to 48 pages of rulings showing outcomes (breach/no breach/resolution/mediation etc), hardly ''Not in favour of the person who complained. IPSO has done close to eff all in the years it has existed.''

https://www.ipso.co.uk/rulings-and-resolution-statements/?page=1&perPage=20
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You really should check your facts before posting such nonsense

You really need to read ALL of the last reference I posted. IPSO is as useless as it predecessor:-

http://www.transparencyproject.org.uk/press-regulation-why-we-are-unimpressed-by-ipso/

But many complaints are rejected right at the start. One of the main reasons is that the publisher in question is not a member of IPSO. That’s because its jurisdiction comes solely from the contract it has with each of the members who have signed up.
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Dec 6 2017, 05:30 PM
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Dec 6 2017, 05:22 PM



You really should check your facts before posting such nonsense

You really need to read ALL of the last reference I posted. IPSO is as useless as it predecessor:-

http://www.transparencyproject.org.uk/press-regulation-why-we-are-unimpressed-by-ipso/

But many complaints are rejected right at the start. One of the main reasons is that the publisher in question is not a member of IPSO. That’s because its jurisdiction comes solely from the contract it has with each of the members who have signed up.
From your link to a pressure group

IPSO gets a lot of complaints. Its annual report for 2015 records that it received more than 12,000 complaints. However, these individual complaints may often relate to the same story: for example, 3000 of them in 2015, almost a quarter, were concerned with the “1 in 5 Muslims support ISIS” story in The Sun. Where they relate to a single story, IPSO treats them all as a single “case”. So the number of cases it deals with is rather smaller than the number of complaints it receives

25% of complaints received related to a single story which IPSO handled as one complaint. Do you honestly expect them to open 3000 separate files all complaining about the same story?
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From your link to a pressure group

IPSO gets a lot of complaints.
But turns the majority of them down because the offending newspaper was not a member of IPSO.
That is no change from IPSOs predecessor and is what makes it useless.

It took me and several organisation over two year to shut a newspaper editor up, because the paper he was editor of was not a member of IPSOs predecessor.
It was not until the editor wrote three articles in succession that were VERY nasty about vulnerable people that the police treated them as hate crimes and the editorials stopped altogether.

The problem could easily have been stopped years before had a Leveson 2 compliant fully independent press complaints organisation been in place.
Because that would have jurisdiction over ALL newspapers.
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So, a bunch of keyboard warriors are pissed off that ipso won't handle a complaint unless the person who has suffered loss or had their character defamed comes forward to head the complaint.

Guess what, neither will broadcasters and neither will the end total commission...

Not convinced the police will either

So maybe the issue is fuck all to do with IPSO and everything to do with the framework in which this country has conducted itself for a while now

And as for judges not being able to whinge, i find that hard to believe.

And if the head of one if the statutory regulatory bodies can make a complaint at how he was treated ....

Not convinced about any of this at all
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Dec 6 2017, 07:03 PM
So, a bunch of keyboard warriors are pissed off that ipso won't handle a complaint unless the person who has suffered loss or had their character defamed comes forward to head the complaint.

That is not what the problem is at all. IPSO is NOT independent. It also will not deal with complaints about a non IPSO member.
So basically it is effing useless.
Perhaps you need to read the reference:-

http://www.transparencyproject.org.uk/press-regulation-why-we-are-unimpressed-by-ipso/

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Dec 6 2017, 07:41 PM
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Dec 6 2017, 07:03 PM
So, a bunch of keyboard warriors are pissed off that ipso won't handle a complaint unless the person who has suffered loss or had their character defamed comes forward to head the complaint.

That is not what the problem is at all. IPSO is NOT independent. It also will not deal with complaints about a non IPSO member.
So basically it is effing useless.
Perhaps you need to read the reference:-

http://www.transparencyproject.org.uk/press-regulation-why-we-are-unimpressed-by-ipso/

Again from their website - they deal with complaints against 2500 different publications

So hardly basically effing useless and surely more than enough to satisfy complainers?
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Dec 6 2017, 07:41 PM
1) IPSO is NOT independent.
2)It also will not deal with complaints about a non IPSO member.
3) So basically it is effing useless.

1) In your opinion - but you have yet to present evidence to prove that claim.
2) So IPSO will not adjudicate in claims concerning Non-IPSO members? Well that is hardly unusual. IIRC even the UN will not adjudicate in claims concerning Non-UN Members. So that is a total NON-Point.
3) In your opinion.

So no evidence, a non point, and empty opinion.

And you whine we don't take it seriously?

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1) In your opinion - but you have yet to present evidence to prove that claim.

Just look at the committee members.
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Dec 6 2017, 08:55 PM
Again from their website - they deal with complaints against 2500 different publications

Given that is nothing like ALL publications IPSO is useless.
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Dec 7 2017, 08:25 AM
Ewill
Dec 6 2017, 08:55 PM
Again from their website - they deal with complaints against 2500 different publications

Given that is nothing like ALL publications IPSO is useless.
As you appear to think that 2500 publications are nothing like ALL publications you must have a figure in mind for how many publications there are likely to trigger 'official' complaints in the UK? So how many are there?

Even The Peoples' Friend is included in that 2500 and I doubt that can offend anyone
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I started the thread to check how much the press propaganda against Leveson 2 being implemented had influenced people.
Obviously in the case of this forum 100%.
Since Therese May was made Prime Minister she has met with IPSO 60 times, she has not met the victims of the press at all.
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Dec 7 2017, 08:56 AM
I started the thread to check how much the press propaganda against Leveson 2 being implemented had influenced people.
Obviously in the case of this forum 100%.
Since Therese May was made Prime Minister she has met with IPSO 60 times, she has not met the victims of the press at all.
Do you have special access to her diary to know who she meets?

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