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The 'Experts' thread; split from EU negotiations
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Topic Started: Dec 19 2017, 02:39 PM (207 Views)
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Looks like the echo chamber has just been bricked up for extra security!
In my experience the only people who hate experts are those who wear their inferiority complexes on their sleeves. Seen so many so called experts in my lifetime to be sceptical.
Did'nt see the so called EXPERTS predicting the crash
Did'nt see the so called EXPERTS predicting TRUMP. In fact the contrary
Did'nt see the so called EXPERTS predicting BREXIT. IN fact the contrary
Did'nt see the so called EXPERTS predicting Liverpool draw with West Brom
EXPERTS, Could'nt do without them,hey
The most overly used title in the world. (gotta love em )
You stick to your EXPERTS
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In my experience the only people who hate experts are those who wear their inferiority complexes on their sleeves.
Seen so many so called experts in my lifetime to be sceptical. Did'nt see the so called EXPERTS predicting the crash Did'nt see the so called EXPERTS predicting TRUMP. In fact the contrary Did'nt see the so called EXPERTS predicting BREXIT. IN fact the contrary Did'nt see the so called EXPERTS predicting Liverpool draw with West Brom EXPERTS, Could'nt do without them,hey The most overly used title in the world. (gotta love em ) You stick to your EXPERTS So you won't go and see a doctor if you get ill then?
Happy to get on a plane flown by someone with no pilots credentials?
Because you don't trust experts right?
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Seen so many so called experts in my lifetime to be sceptical. Did'nt see the so called EXPERTS predicting the crash Did'nt see the so called EXPERTS predicting TRUMP. In fact the contrary Did'nt see the so called EXPERTS predicting BREXIT. IN fact the contrary Did'nt see the so called EXPERTS predicting Liverpool draw with West Brom EXPERTS, Could'nt do without them,hey The most overly used title in the world. (gotta love em ) You stick to your EXPERTS
So you won't go and see a doctor if you get ill then? Happy to get on a plane flown by someone with no pilots credentials? Because you don't trust experts right? AHA. The old nutcracker hey
Because he is a Doctor does not make them an EXPERT
Because he can FLY a plane does not make them an EXPERT
Because he can DRIVE a BUS does not make them an EXPERT
Because he can SAIL a BOAT does not make them an EXPERT
GET THE MESSAGE
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So you won't go and see a doctor if you get ill then? Happy to get on a plane flown by someone with no pilots credentials? Because you don't trust experts right?
AHA. The old nutcracker hey Because he is a Doctor does not make them an EXPERT Because he can FLY a plane does not make them an EXPERT Because he can DRIVE a BUS does not make them an EXPERT Because he can SAIL a BOAT does not make them an EXPERT GET THE MESSAGE Formal qualification and years of practice in their professional field makes them an expert in my book.
But if you don't consider a practicing GP to be an expert do you avoid consultant physicians?
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Dec 19 2017, 03:01 PM
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AHA. The old nutcracker hey Because he is a Doctor does not make them an EXPERT Because he can FLY a plane does not make them an EXPERT Because he can DRIVE a BUS does not make them an EXPERT Because he can SAIL a BOAT does not make them an EXPERT GET THE MESSAGE
Formal qualification and years of practice in their professional field makes them an expert in my book. But if you don't consider a practicing GP to be an expert do you avoid consultant physicians? Do they know everything medical ?
They may know about their field, but no fookall else.
How about the CONSULTANT lets call him one of your EXPERTS shall we. Who fooked my wifes insides up along with countless other women,was banned from theatre for the rest of his career for misdiagnosing and operating on her 5 times BTW, god knows how many on the other women, was demoted to GP.
OH.YOU MEAN THAT TYPE OF EXPERT
OR how about pilot error crashing planes. ARE they the EXPERTS you mean
BTW done well out of the NHS,I must say. If they want to employ so called EXPERTS then they pay the PRICE.
I wouldn't go down that route if I were you. You're setting yourself up for a big fookin fall
NEXT !
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Dec 19 2017, 03:03 PM
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I to can be a sarcastic TWAT just for the record .Which is wasted on most in here. in case you hadn't noticed. Or you could call it IRONY. Your choice,won't lose sleep over it
Well predominantly because you use the "sarcasm" excuse for posting bollocks. That isn't to say sometimes you actually manage sarcasm. There are fair points about the experts getting it wrong mind. I suppose a fairer comparison would be with weathermen. They get it right they get it wrong but most of us recognise it's tricky. Once you call someone an EXPERT the only way is down from there. Your point about weathermen I would agree.
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Formal qualification and years of practice in their professional field makes them an expert in my book. But if you don't consider a practicing GP to be an expert do you avoid consultant physicians?
Do they know everything medical ? They may know about their field, but no fookall else. How about the CONSULTANT lets call him one of your EXPERTS shall we. Who fooked my wifes insides up along with countless other women,was banned from theatre for the rest of his career for misdiagnosing and operating on her 5 times BTW, god knows how many on the other women, was demoted to GP. OH.YOU MEAN THAT TYPE OF EXPERT OR how about pilot error crashing planes. ARE they the EXPERTS you mean BTW done well out of the NHS,I must say. If they want to employ so called EXPERTS then they pay the PRICE. I wouldn't go down that route if I were you. You're setting yourself up for a big fookin fall NEXT ! I'm sorry to hear about your wife's difficulties, but one consultant however incompetent doesn't invalidate all medical expertise.
My wife would have died were it not for the consultants and Cambridge scholars at Addenbrookes hospital after she came down with a very rare auto-immune disease.
Should we have ignored the experts in your opinion?
Just because some experts have been wrong before doesn't mean all experts will always be wrong.
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Do they know everything medical ? They may know about their field, but no fookall else. How about the CONSULTANT lets call him one of your EXPERTS shall we. Who fooked my wifes insides up along with countless other women,was banned from theatre for the rest of his career for misdiagnosing and operating on her 5 times BTW, god knows how many on the other women, was demoted to GP. OH.YOU MEAN THAT TYPE OF EXPERT OR how about pilot error crashing planes. ARE they the EXPERTS you mean BTW done well out of the NHS,I must say. If they want to employ so called EXPERTS then they pay the PRICE. I wouldn't go down that route if I were you. You're setting yourself up for a big fookin fall NEXT !
I'm sorry to hear about your wife's difficulties, but one consultant however incompetent doesn't invalidate all medical expertise. My wife would have died were it not for the consultants and Cambridge scholars at Addenbrookes hospital after she came down with a very rare auto-immune disease. Should we have ignored the experts in your opinion? Just because some experts have been wrong before doesn't mean all experts will always be wrong. Well lets put it this way. If your calling someone an EXPERT I want them always to be right especially if their operating on me or loved ones. Cutting it,"Well you always get a bad apple" don't work on me especially when it effects me and my family.
EXPERT just means knowledgable it means nothing else.
I am knowledgeable in my field (making swings according to Tigger ) don't make me an expert
I suppose you are knowledgeable in your field,don't make you an expert.
In fact the word has no place in a dictionary as far as I am concerned.
Over used and Over stated
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep CONSULTANT lets call him one of your EXPERTS shall we. Who fooked my wifes insides up along with countless other women,was banned from theatre for the rest of his career for misdiagnosing and operating on her 5 times BTW, god knows how many on the other women, was demoted to GP. OH.YOU MEAN THAT TYPE OF EXPERT OR how about pilot error crashing planes. ARE they the EXPERTS you mean BTW done well out of the NHS,I must say. If they want to employ so called EXPERTS then they pay the PRICE. I wouldn't go down that route if I were you. You're setting yourself up for a big fookin fall NEXT !
I'm sorry to hear about your wife's difficulties, but one consultant however incompetent doesn't invalidate all medical expertise. My wife would have died were it not for the consultants and Cambridge scholars at Addenbrookes hospital after she came down with a very rare auto-immune disease. Should we have ignored the experts in your opinion? Just because some experts have been wrong before doesn't mean all experts will always be wrong.
Well lets put it this way. If your calling someone an EXPERT I want them always to be right especially if their operating on me or loved ones. Cutting it,"Well you always get a bad apple" don't work on me especially when it effects me and my family. EXPERT just means knowledgable it means nothing else. I am knowledgeable in my field (making swings according to Tigger  ) don't make me an expert I suppose you are knowledgeable in your field,don't make you an expert. In fact the word has no place in a dictionary as far as I am concerned. Over used and Over stated You are right. Rather than expert we should say that someone is super good in their field.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep CONSULTANT lets call him one of your EXPERTS shall we. Who fooked my wifes insides up along with countless other women,was banned from theatre for the rest of his career for misdiagnosing and operating on her 5 times BTW, god knows how many on the other women, was demoted to GP. OH.YOU MEAN THAT TYPE OF EXPERT OR how about pilot error crashing planes. ARE they the EXPERTS you mean BTW done well out of the NHS,I must say. If they want to employ so called EXPERTS then they pay the PRICE. I wouldn't go down that route if I were you. You're setting yourself up for a big fookin fall NEXT !
I'm sorry to hear about your wife's difficulties, but one consultant however incompetent doesn't invalidate all medical expertise. My wife would have died were it not for the consultants and Cambridge scholars at Addenbrookes hospital after she came down with a very rare auto-immune disease. Should we have ignored the experts in your opinion? Just because some experts have been wrong before doesn't mean all experts will always be wrong.
Well lets put it this way. If your calling someone an EXPERT I want them always to be right especially if their operating on me or loved ones. Cutting it,"Well you always get a bad apple" don't work on me especially when it effects me and my family. EXPERT just means knowledgable it means nothing else. I am knowledgeable in my field (making swings according to Tigger  ) don't make me an expert I suppose you are knowledgeable in your field,don't make you an expert. In fact the word has no place in a dictionary as far as I am concerned. Over used and Over stated No human is going to be right all the time, their very humanity makes such a thing impossible. As one of the consultants who saved my wife's life said to me "we don't know everything and we are always learning, that's why we call it a practice".
An expert will however be right more often than not in their field, they will certainly be right more often than you and me.
If we don't base important decisions on expert opinion what should we base them on?
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepCONSULTANT lets call him one of your EXPERTS
Well lets put it this way. If your calling someone an EXPERT I want them always to be right especially if their operating on me or loved ones. Cutting it,"Well you always get a bad apple" don't work on me especially when it effects me and my family. EXPERT just means knowledgable it means nothing else. I am knowledgeable in my field (making swings according to Tigger  ) don't make me an expert I suppose you are knowledgeable in your field,don't make you an expert. In fact the word has no place in a dictionary as far as I am concerned. Over used and Over stated
You are right. Rather than expert we should say that someone is super good in their field. Knowledgeable would suffice don't need anything else
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepCONSULTANT lets call him one of your EXPERTS
Well lets put it this way. If your calling someone an EXPERT I want them always to be right especially if their operating on me or loved ones. Cutting it,"Well you always get a bad apple" don't work on me especially when it effects me and my family. EXPERT just means knowledgable it means nothing else. I am knowledgeable in my field (making swings according to Tigger  ) don't make me an expert I suppose you are knowledgeable in your field,don't make you an expert. In fact the word has no place in a dictionary as far as I am concerned. Over used and Over stated
No human is going to be right all the time, their very humanity makes such a thing impossible. As one of the consultants who saved my wife's life said to me "we don't know everything and we are always learning, that's why we call it a practice". An expert will however be right more often than not in their field, they will certainly be right more often than you and me. If we don't base important decisions on expert opinion what should we base them on? No human is going to be right all the time, their very humanity makes such a thing impossible
Exactly
As one of the consultants who saved my wife's life said to me "we don't know everything and we are always learning, that's why we call it a practice".
Then their not a fookin EXPERT are they ?
An expert will however be right more often than not in their field, they will certainly be right more often than you and me
WHY ? If me or you get it wrong more than we got it right in our jobs we wouldn't be there long,would we ?
If we don't base important decisions on expert opinion what should we base them on?
I prefer to base important decisions on me,no one else and people who know me.I find they are the best decisions in life people can make instead of listening to so called EXPERTS (strangers)
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepCONSULTANT lets call him one of your EXPERTS
No human is going to be right all the time, their very humanity makes such a thing impossible. As one of the consultants who saved my wife's life said to me "we don't know everything and we are always learning, that's why we call it a practice". An expert will however be right more often than not in their field, they will certainly be right more often than you and me. If we don't base important decisions on expert opinion what should we base them on? No human is going to be right all the time, their very humanity makes such a thing impossibleExactly As one of the consultants who saved my wife's life said to me "we don't know everything and we are always learning, that's why we call it a practice".
Then their not a fookin EXPERT are they ? An expert will however be right more often than not in their field, they will certainly be right more often than you and me
WHY ? If me or you get it wrong more than we got it right in our jobs we wouldn't be there long,would we ? If we don't base important decisions on expert opinion what should we base them on?
I prefer to base important decisions on me,no one else and people who know me.I find they are the best decisions in life people can make instead of listening to so called EXPERTS (strangers) Well I feel that you are arguing semantics now more than anything else.
And are you saying that you and your friends know better than everyone else about everything?
Going back to the situation I mentioned earlier with my wife, should we have ignored the consultants and Cambridge scholars and listened to you and your friends?
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Posting opinions as facts is just another weakness in your posts.
The evidence of their incompetence and uselessness is there for all to see. Yes, but posting only parts of what you call "incompetence" then choosing to extrapolate and opinionate on them, is a one sided weakness.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepCONSULTANT lets call him one of your EXPERTS
No human is going to be right all the time, their very humanity makes such a thing impossibleExactly As one of the consultants who saved my wife's life said to me "we don't know everything and we are always learning, that's why we call it a practice".
Then their not a fookin EXPERT are they ? An expert will however be right more often than not in their field, they will certainly be right more often than you and me
WHY ? If me or you get it wrong more than we got it right in our jobs we wouldn't be there long,would we ? If we don't base important decisions on expert opinion what should we base them on?
I prefer to base important decisions on me,no one else and people who know me.I find they are the best decisions in life people can make instead of listening to so called EXPERTS (strangers)
Well I feel that you are arguing semantics now more than anything else. And are you saying that you and your friends know better than everyone else about everything? Going back to the situation I mentioned earlier with my wife, should we have ignored the consultants and Cambridge scholars and listened to you and your friends? You don't get it do you ?
I didn't say me and my friends know everything.
I said the best one to make decisions for me,is me and the best ones to take advice of are the people that know you and friends.
Rather than some so called EXPERT (stranger)
Maybe it didn't come out as it was meant to,but never said at all about knowing everything.That would be foolish,regarding the position I am arguing from.
As for "Semantics" that is your opinion.My opinion is I am breaking down your argument with in my opinion reasoned questioning
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DITTO
TOUCHE, Except I presented a reasonable grown up list. two out of free are not idiots whereas you presented a slathering fact free diet of daily bollocks. So we can let the observers conclude who is being doctrinarie. Who said it was FACT FREE. you ?
Who said it was "A reasonable grown up list " you ?
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepCONSULTANT lets call him one of your EXPERTSNo human is going to be right all the time, their very humanity makes such a thing impossible
Exactly
As one of the consultants who saved my wife's life said to me "we don't know everything and we are always learning, that's why we call it a practice".
Then their not a fookin EXPERT are they ?
An expert will however be right more often than not in their field, they will certainly be right more often than you and me
WHY ? If me or you get it wrong more than we got it right in our jobs we wouldn't be there long,would we ?
If we don't base important decisions on expert opinion what should we base them on?
I prefer to base important decisions on me,no one else and people who know me.I find they are the best decisions in life people can make instead of listening to so called EXPERTS (strangers)
Well I feel that you are arguing semantics now more than anything else. And are you saying that you and your friends know better than everyone else about everything? Going back to the situation I mentioned earlier with my wife, should we have ignored the consultants and Cambridge scholars and listened to you and your friends?
You don't get it do you ? I didn't say me and my friends know everything. I said the best one to make decisions for me,is me and the best ones to take advice of are the people that know you and friends. Rather than some so called EXPERT (stranger) Maybe it didn't come out as it was meant to,but never said at all about knowing everything.That would be foolish,regarding the position I am arguing from. As for "Semantics" that is your opinion.My opinion is I am breaking down your argument with in my opinion reasoned questioning Well actually there is something to be said sometimes for talking to someone who isn't involved in your life and can take a step back and give you an objective opinion. Like Arsene Wenger once said, every man thinks he has the best looking wife at home.
But anyway we aren't talking about what is best for you but what is best for the country, it's economy etc. I for one would never be so arrogant as to claim to have all the answers.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepCONSULTANT lets call him one of your EXPERTSNo human is going to be right all the time, their very humanity makes such a thing impossible
Exactly
As one of the consultants who saved my wife's life said to me "we don't know everything and we are always learning, that's why we call it a practice".
Then their not a fookin EXPERT are they ?
An expert will however be right more often than not in their field, they will certainly be right more often than you and me
WHY ? If me or you get it wrong more than we got it right in our jobs we wouldn't be there long,would we ?
If we don't base important decisions on expert opinion what should we base them on?
You don't get it do you ? I didn't say me and my friends know everything. I said the best one to make decisions for me,is me and the best ones to take advice of are the people that know you and friends. Rather than some so called EXPERT (stranger) Maybe it didn't come out as it was meant to,but never said at all about knowing everything.That would be foolish,regarding the position I am arguing from. As for "Semantics" that is your opinion.My opinion is I am breaking down your argument with in my opinion reasoned questioning
Well actually there is something to be said sometimes for talking to someone who isn't involved in your life and can take a step back and give you an objective opinion. Like Arsene Wenger once said, every man thinks he has the best looking wife at home. But anyway we aren't talking about what is best for you but what is best for the country, it's economy etc. I for one would never be so arrogant as to claim to have all the answers. A wise man knows his limits. We got plenty Nostradamus in here,they know who they are
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AHA. The old nutcracker hey Because he is a Doctor does not make them an EXPERT Because he can FLY a plane does not make them an EXPERT Because he can DRIVE a BUS does not make them an EXPERT Because he can SAIL a BOAT does not make them an EXPERT GET THE MESSAGE
Formal qualification and years of practice in their professional field makes them an expert in my book. But if you don't consider a practicing GP to be an expert do you avoid consultant physicians? I'd not consider a GP to be an expert, an expert needs a specialism to have expertise of
GPs are Jacks and Jills of all trades
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Dec 19 2017, 09:52 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepCONSULTANT lets call him one of your EXPERTS
Well lets put it this way. If your calling someone an EXPERT I want them always to be right especially if their operating on me or loved ones. Cutting it,"Well you always get a bad apple" don't work on me especially when it effects me and my family. EXPERT just means knowledgable it means nothing else. I am knowledgeable in my field (making swings according to Tigger  ) don't make me an expert I suppose you are knowledgeable in your field,don't make you an expert. In fact the word has no place in a dictionary as far as I am concerned. Over used and Over stated
No human is going to be right all the time, their very humanity makes such a thing impossible. As one of the consultants who saved my wife's life said to me "we don't know everything and we are always learning, that's why we call it a practice". An expert will however be right more often than not in their field, they will certainly be right more often than you and me. If we don't base important decisions on expert opinion what should we base them on? If we don't base important decisions on expert opinion what should we base them on?
On medical matters I prefer informed consent
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Dec 19 2017, 10:00 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepCONSULTANT lets call him one of your EXPERTSNo human is going to be right all the time, their very humanity makes such a thing impossible
Exactly
As one of the consultants who saved my wife's life said to me "we don't know everything and we are always learning, that's why we call it a practice".
Then their not a fookin EXPERT are they ?
An expert will however be right more often than not in their field, they will certainly be right more often than you and me
WHY ? If me or you get it wrong more than we got it right in our jobs we wouldn't be there long,would we ?
If we don't base important decisions on expert opinion what should we base them on?
You don't get it do you ? I didn't say me and my friends know everything. I said the best one to make decisions for me,is me and the best ones to take advice of are the people that know you and friends. Rather than some so called EXPERT (stranger) Maybe it didn't come out as it was meant to,but never said at all about knowing everything.That would be foolish,regarding the position I am arguing from. As for "Semantics" that is your opinion.My opinion is I am breaking down your argument with in my opinion reasoned questioning
Well actually there is something to be said sometimes for talking to someone who isn't involved in your life and can take a step back and give you an objective opinion. Like Arsene Wenger once said, every man thinks he has the best looking wife at home. But anyway we aren't talking about what is best for you but what is best for the country, it's economy etc. I for one would never be so arrogant as to claim to have all the answers. In which case, I think that Mr Wenger has his priorities wrong, if you married your wife just because she is, in your eyes beautiful, to me that is selfishness, for you see, beauty is on the inside of a person and that same beauty naturally emanates through to their personality and character.
It's an old cliche, but all that glitters is not gold and you cannot tell a book by it's cover.
For me....wife...tea.....China.
nuff said.
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Dec 19 2017, 10:22 PM
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On medical matters I prefer informed consent
Surely the average GP will be working on this principle anyway?
Given your views on the alleged benefits of bottled water perhaps you should pay attention to those with years of medical experience? After all your life may one day depend on one of these quacks.
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Dec 19 2017, 10:25 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepCONSULTANT lets call him one of your EXPERTS
No human is going to be right all the time, their very humanity makes such a thing impossible. As one of the consultants who saved my wife's life said to me "we don't know everything and we are always learning, that's why we call it a practice". An expert will however be right more often than not in their field, they will certainly be right more often than you and me. If we don't base important decisions on expert opinion what should we base them on? If we don't base important decisions on expert opinion what should we base them on? On medical matters I prefer informed consent Ok, but the point is you would seek the opinion of a medical expert yes? Not a carpenter, plumber or politician.
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In my experience the only people who hate experts are those who wear their inferiority complexes on their sleeves. Often seems that way doesn't it? The latest is WTO NOW!
If it's obvious someone knows a hell of a lot more than me about a subject than me I tend to listen to them, you can often learn something new or save yourself some bother.
When ambitions MP's talk shit and idiots with those inferiority complexes you mention latch onto this you know stupidity is just around the corner.
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Ok, but the point is you would seek the opinion of a medical expert yes? Not a carpenter, plumber or politician. Indeed, If you want informed consent read a book by one of those so called experts, after the self diagnosis I'm not sure how you'd perform surgery on yourself though. Failing that a course of constructive ambiguity might be in order.
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Have split this out as a separate discussion
I see a load of rubbish posted above about 'experts' I hope we can all agree that the compilers of the Oxford dictionary are 'experts' in the meaning of words. So why not start with the definition of the word:
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Expert: A person who is very knowledgeable about or skilful in a particular area.
‘an expert in health care’ ‘a financial expert’
So a few obvious points
a) An expert doesn't have to know everything or be right everytime without fail
b) A fuckwit is someone who makes big decisions ignoring available experts just because he/she has seen an expert get it wrong on occasion
c) a malicious fuckwit is someone who urges others to make big decisions ignoring available experts just because he/she has seen an expert get it wrong on occasion
d) a mind numbingly malicious fuckwit is someone who urges others to make big decisions directly against the consensus advice of available experts just because he/she has seen an expert get it wrong on occasion
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Dec 20 2017, 10:38 AM
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Have split this out as a separate discussion I see a load of rubbish posted above about 'experts' I hope we can all agree that the compilers of the Oxford dictionary are 'experts' in the meaning of words. So why not start with the definition of the word: - Quote:
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Expert: A person who is very knowledgeable about or skilful in a particular area.
‘an expert in health care’ ‘a financial expert’
So a few obvious points a) An expert doesn't have to know everything or be right everytime without fail b) A fuckwit is someone who makes big decisions ignoring available experts just because he/she has seen an expert get it wrong on occasion c) a malicious fuckwit is someone who urges others to make big decisions ignoring available experts just because he/she has seen an expert get it wrong on occasion d) a mind numbingly malicious fuckwit is someone who urges others to make big decisions directly against the consensus advice of available experts just because he/she has seen an expert get it wrong on occasion Fair enough
What do you call someone whose kids died because a malicious fuckwit with a god complex bragged he could pull off a cardiac surgical procedure no other consultant in the continent would touch because of the impossibility.
Sometimes there are reasons for questioning an "expert".
Especially if their expertise is bought with the silence if those who know they are fuckwits but dare not challenge their godlike powers.
I was rather apprehensive at being told sarah was too ill and too weak to operate on, to put it mildly.
Being able to call her "the girl who lived" now the truth is out just makes me incabdescently angry at those "experts who refused to work ever again with the one person with the balls to call time on the conveyor belt of death ....
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Dec 20 2017, 01:00 PM
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Sometimes there are reasons for questioning an "expert".
I often do. Especially when their "expertise" is killing innocent people.
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Have split this out as a separate discussion I see a load of rubbish posted above about 'experts' I hope we can all agree that the compilers of the Oxford dictionary are 'experts' in the meaning of words. So why not start with the definition of the word: - Quote:
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Expert: A person who is very knowledgeable about or skilful in a particular area.
‘an expert in health care’ ‘a financial expert’
So a few obvious points a) An expert doesn't have to know everything or be right everytime without fail b) A fuckwit is someone who makes big decisions ignoring available experts just because he/she has seen an expert get it wrong on occasion c) a malicious fuckwit is someone who urges others to make big decisions ignoring available experts just because he/she has seen an expert get it wrong on occasion d) a mind numbingly malicious fuckwit is someone who urges others to make big decisions directly against the consensus advice of available experts just because he/she has seen an expert get it wrong on occasion
Wonderful, I shall treasure this concise guide to fuckwittery!
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