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Happy New Year Berlin. Women stay in your cages please...
Topic Started: Dec 29 2017, 09:06 PM (480 Views)
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Last New Year Germany realised the nature of the people Merkel invited in with reckless abandon when the festivities were spoiled somewhat by numerous reports of various assaults of a sexual nature upon female new year revellers

This year Berlin has come up with a spiffing way to make sure it does not happen again.

They are going to segregate the crowd, offering areas where women will be safe from maurauding male revellers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42502984

Words pretty much fail me.
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They are going to segregate the crowd, offering areas where women will be safe from maurauding male revellers.

That should have been happening at some music festivals in Britain years ago. But that seems to get little publicity.
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Last New Year Germany realised the nature of the people Merkel invited in with reckless abandon when the festivities were spoiled somewhat by numerous reports of various assaults of a sexual nature upon female new year revellers

This year Berlin has come up with a spiffing way to make sure it does not happen again.

They are going to segregate the crowd, offering areas where women will be safe from maurauding male revellers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42502984

Words pretty much fail me.
Well, words don't fail me, it is just that I won't utter them lest I get 'accused' of 'islamophobia or racism'. Mind you other ethnic native drunken males don't always behave as 'saints', either.
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johnofgwent
Dec 29 2017, 09:06 PM
Last New Year Germany realised the nature of the people Merkel invited in with reckless abandon when the festivities were spoiled somewhat by numerous reports of various assaults of a sexual nature upon female new year revellers

This year Berlin has come up with a spiffing way to make sure it does not happen again.

They are going to segregate the crowd, offering areas where women will be safe from maurauding male revellers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42502984

Words pretty much fail me.
Well, words don't fail me, it is just that I won't utter them lest I get 'accused' of 'islamophobia or racism'. Mind you other ethnic native drunken males don't always behave as 'saints', either.
No, they don't.

But the way that is dealt with in western society is to deal with those behaving that way.

Not removing temptation from those who demand women be restricted in their behaviour and so on
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I do believe a western style PC answer would be appeasement rather than removing those with criminal records.....but, hey who the fuck checks nowadays, and even then, when the miscreants are checked the ambulance chasing lawyers will make sure that they stay and at the same time reap alot of taxpayers money, and yet....the Europhile fanatics wish us to be a part of this charade of a democratic and free society?....it is enough to make a grown man spit.
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Men have been really busy in Sweden and Germany murdering, gang raping, setting girls on fire. The police in Sweden have told women they are not safe going out alone. Women need to be segregated,covered up and really just stay in the house for their own safety. German and Swedish men are very very dangerous to women.

Girls in Sweden have started to protest about the constant rapings especially since they now get set on fire afterwards.

The swedish finance minister Magdalena Andersson said recently “Integration is not working properly. It didn't work before the autumn of 2015 either, but for me it is obvious that we cannot have a larger asylum reception than we are able to integrate,”

Maybe she is afraid of an uprising.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkD5rgWYmx0
Sweden: The Nation With No Voice
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johnofgwent
Dec 29 2017, 09:06 PM
Last New Year Germany realised the nature of the people Merkel invited in with reckless abandon when the festivities were spoiled somewhat by numerous reports of various assaults of a sexual nature upon female new year revellers

This year Berlin has come up with a spiffing way to make sure it does not happen again.

They are going to segregate the crowd, offering areas where women will be safe from maurauding male revellers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42502984

Words pretty much fail me.
Well, words don't fail me, it is just that I won't utter them lest I get 'accused' of 'islamophobia or racism'. Mind you other ethnic native drunken males don't always behave as 'saints', either.
No, they don't.

But the way that is dealt with in western society is to deal with those behaving that way.

Not removing temptation from those who demand women be restricted in their behaviour and so on
The fair weather feminists on both the left and right are a real and lasting problem when it comes to sexual assault.

Until both sides develop a moral centre instead of varying their reaction according to who is in the frame it simply won't be possible to develop any coherent or effective strategy.
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Dec 30 2017, 11:44 AM
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Until both sides develop a moral centre instead of varying their reaction according to who is in the frame it simply won't be possible to develop any coherent or effective strategy.

There will be no voluntary change in how young male Moslems regard western women, specially young women.
Tolerating it only encourages more assaults.
Hence the way to effect change and make women more secure is through enforcement of the law.
Other than that, stop allowing them in, and deport any that abuse their sanctuary.
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Until both sides develop a moral centre instead of varying their reaction according to who is in the frame it simply won't be possible to develop any coherent or effective strategy.

There will be no voluntary change in how young male Moslems regard western women, specially young women.
Tolerating it only encourages more assaults.
Hence the way to effect change and make women more secure is through enforcement of the law.
Other than that, stop allowing them in, and deport any that abuse their sanctuary.
Sexual assault is unacceptable and perpetrators should be tried and jailed regardless of whether they are muslim immigrants or rich white men like Weinstein or Trump.

As long as people condemn one whilst making excuses for the other the issue will continue to fester.
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Until both sides develop a moral centre instead of varying their reaction according to who is in the frame it simply won't be possible to develop any coherent or effective strategy.

There will be no voluntary change in how young male Moslems regard western women, specially young women.
Tolerating it only encourages more assaults.
Hence the way to effect change and make women more secure is through enforcement of the law.
Other than that, stop allowing them in, and deport any that abuse their sanctuary.
Sexual assault is unacceptable and perpetrators should be tried and jailed regardless of whether they are muslim immigrants or rich white men like Weinstein or Trump.

As long as people condemn one whilst making excuses for the other the issue will continue to fester.

Approximately 1,400 girls below legal consent age were abused (predominantly by British Muslim men) in Rotherham over two decades. Thus far there have been a mere eight convictions, with twelve more standing charged.
How many men do you imagine were involved?

Those that regard WMDs as a worth the expense deterrent should question how to deter disreputable men from organised gang rape?
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Sexual assault is unacceptable and perpetrators should be tried and jailed regardless of whether they are muslim immigrants or rich white men like Weinstein or Trump.

As long as people condemn one whilst making excuses for the other the issue will continue to fester.

Approximately 1,400 girls below legal consent age were abused (predominantly by British Muslim men) in Rotherham over two decades. Thus far there have been a mere eight convictions, with twelve more standing charged.
How many men do you imagine were involved?

Those that regard WMDs as a worth the expense deterrent should question how to deter disreputable men from organised gang rape?
Read my first sentence again:

"Sexual assault is unacceptable and perpetrators should be tried and jailed regardless of whether they are muslim immigrants or rich white men like Weinstein or Trump."

I agree that we as a society have failed the Rotherham victims badly, many on the left want to brush this under the carpet because it's politically inconvenient. They are IMHO spineless cowards who put ideology above the safety of our citizens.

But then again I suspect many on the right are only championing their cause because it affords them an opportunity to bash muslims. Many of these same right wingers would like to see millions of pounds of tax payers money spent on a state visit for a foreigner who was caught on tape boasting about sexually assaulting women.

People on both sides need to stop treating sexual assault and rape as a political football.
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Approximately 1,400 girls below legal consent age were abused (predominantly by British Muslim men) in Rotherham over two decades. Thus far there have been a mere eight convictions, with twelve more standing charged.
How many men do you imagine were involved?

Those that regard WMDs as a worth the expense deterrent should question how to deter disreputable men from organised gang rape?
Read my first sentence again:

"Sexual assault is unacceptable and perpetrators should be tried and jailed regardless of whether they are muslim immigrants or rich white men like Weinstein or Trump."

I agree that we as a society have failed the Rotherham victims badly, many on the left want to brush this under the carpet because it's politically inconvenient. They are IMHO spineless cowards who put ideology above the safety of our citizens.

But then again I suspect many on the right are only championing their cause because it affords them an opportunity to bash muslims. Many of these same right wingers would like to see millions of pounds of tax payers money spent on a state visit for a foreigner who was caught on tape boasting about sexually assaulting women.

People on both sides need to stop treating sexual assault and rape as a political football.


There is a clear difference between systematically raping young and vulnerable outside of ones religious group and boasting about grabbing women by the pussy.
IMO you are the one treating sexual assault and rape as a politically football by putting the two together to make a non point.
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Read my first sentence again:

"Sexual assault is unacceptable and perpetrators should be tried and jailed regardless of whether they are muslim immigrants or rich white men like Weinstein or Trump."

I agree that we as a society have failed the Rotherham victims badly, many on the left want to brush this under the carpet because it's politically inconvenient. They are IMHO spineless cowards who put ideology above the safety of our citizens.

But then again I suspect many on the right are only championing their cause because it affords them an opportunity to bash muslims. Many of these same right wingers would like to see millions of pounds of tax payers money spent on a state visit for a foreigner who was caught on tape boasting about sexually assaulting women.

People on both sides need to stop treating sexual assault and rape as a political football.


There is a clear difference between systematically raping young and vulnerable outside of ones religious group and boasting about grabbing women by the pussy.
IMO you are the one treating sexual assault and rape as a politically football by putting the two together to make a non point.
And you are the one using it to hurl an ad-hom at me and score a few cheap message board points.

I never said the two types of assault were the same either.
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Approximately 1,400 girls below legal consent age were abused (predominantly by British Muslim men) in Rotherham over two decades. Thus far there have been a mere eight convictions, with twelve more standing charged.
How many men do you imagine were involved?

Those that regard WMDs as a worth the expense deterrent should question how to deter disreputable men from organised gang rape?
Read my first sentence again:

"Sexual assault is unacceptable and perpetrators should be tried and jailed regardless of whether they are muslim immigrants or rich white men like Weinstein or Trump."

I agree that we as a society have failed the Rotherham victims badly, many on the left want to brush this under the carpet because it's politically inconvenient. They are IMHO spineless cowards who put ideology above the safety of our citizens.

But then again I suspect many on the right are only championing their cause because it affords them an opportunity to bash muslims. Many of these same right wingers would like to see millions of pounds of tax payers money spent on a state visit for a foreigner who was caught on tape boasting about sexually assaulting women.

People on both sides need to stop treating sexual assault and rape as a political football.

There are no Left-Right sides to this problem. It is political only in that no government as yet has properly addressed it with determination to stamp it out.
I cannot imagine that Conservative supporters are any more or any less outraged about it than are Labour voters (generalisation).
I earlier made the point -
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There will be no voluntary change in how young male Moslems regard western women, specially young women.

That's as true in the UK as it is across the channel.
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Read my first sentence again:

"Sexual assault is unacceptable and perpetrators should be tried and jailed regardless of whether they are muslim immigrants or rich white men like Weinstein or Trump."

I agree that we as a society have failed the Rotherham victims badly, many on the left want to brush this under the carpet because it's politically inconvenient. They are IMHO spineless cowards who put ideology above the safety of our citizens.

But then again I suspect many on the right are only championing their cause because it affords them an opportunity to bash muslims. Many of these same right wingers would like to see millions of pounds of tax payers money spent on a state visit for a foreigner who was caught on tape boasting about sexually assaulting women.

People on both sides need to stop treating sexual assault and rape as a political football.

There are no Left-Right sides to this problem. It is political only in that no government as yet has properly addressed it with determination to stamp it out.
I cannot imagine that Conservative supporters are any more or any less outraged about it than are Labour voters (generalisation).
I earlier made the point -
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There will be no voluntary change in how young male Moslems regard western women, specially young women.

That's as true in the UK as it is across the channel.
I know/have known plenty of young male muslims who are perfect gentlemen. I think that broad brush generalisations only make it easier for PC types to brush the issue under the carpet.

That's where the right/left issue comes into it.
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I earlier made the point -
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There will be no voluntary change in how young male Moslems regard western women, specially young women.

That's as true in the UK as it is across the channel.
I know/have known plenty of young male muslims who are perfect gentlemen. I think that broad brush generalisations only make it easier for PC types to brush the issue under the carpet.

That's where the right/left issue comes into it.

A generalisation of course, we cannot avoid doing so if there is to be a recognition that this issue does at its core have a cultural aspect - therefor to generalise is not to include ALL Muslim men but instead to admit where this culture differs, fails to integrate (often), and by practice accepts/defends such behavior from abusers.
I'm making the generalisation that Islam, the culture of it, does not consider these men as anti-social reprobates as we obviously do.
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I know/have known plenty of young male muslims who are perfect gentlemen. I think that broad brush generalisations only make it easier for PC types to brush the issue under the carpet.

That's where the right/left issue comes into it.

I'm making the generalisation that Islam, the culture of it, does not consider these men as anti-social reprobates as we obviously do.
"We" or at least a significant number of us, want to literally roll out the red carpet for a man who has boasted about sexually assaulting women.

And the Americans elected him as their President.

Doesn't sound much like condemning him as an anti-social reprobate to me.
Edited by Happy Hornet, Dec 30 2017, 04:10 PM.
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I'm making the generalisation that Islam, the culture of it, does not consider these men as anti-social reprobates as we obviously do.
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Sexual assault is unacceptable and perpetrators should be tried and jailed regardless of whether they are muslim immigrants or rich white men like Weinstein or Trump.

As long as people condemn one whilst making excuses for the other the issue will continue to fester.

Approximately 1,400 girls below legal consent age were abused (predominantly by British Muslim men) in Rotherham over two decades. Thus far there have been a mere eight convictions, with twelve more standing charged.
How many men do you imagine were involved?

Those that regard WMDs as a worth the expense deterrent should question how to deter disreputable men from organised gang rape?
Shut the entry gates, convict those that are correctly charged and kick them out after biologically identifying them so that they cannot come back.

Oh dear, how long before someone says I am a right wing extremist?

Well, here's my answer, if you do not want this to continue, then act decisively and quickly without any recourse to the cursed ECJ.
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I do believe a western style PC answer would be appeasement rather than removing those with criminal records.....but, hey who the fuck checks nowadays, and even then, when the miscreants are checked the ambulance chasing lawyers will make sure that they stay and at the same time reap alot of taxpayers money, and yet....the Europhile fanatics wish us to be a part of this charade of a democratic and free society?....it is enough to make a grown man spit.
Asylum seekers, asylum criminals and deportations.

"Some 35,000 deportations took place in Germany in the last 18 months. More than 600 were abandoned, however. Pro-free movement groups are offering information on how to successfully hinder a deportation".

"The German government currently expects around 100,000 people to have been deported by the end of the year. German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere announced last week that he aimed to ease the deportation process, particularly for migrant criminals.

http://www.dw.com/en/hundreds-of-migrants-resisting-deportation-from-germany-at-the-last-minute/a-19487757
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I know/have known plenty of young male muslims who are perfect gentlemen. I think that broad brush generalisations only make it easier for PC types to brush the issue under the carpet.

That's where the right/left issue comes into it.

A generalisation of course, we cannot avoid doing so if there is to be a recognition that this issue does at its core have a cultural aspect - therefor to generalise is not to include ALL Muslim men but instead to admit where this culture differs, fails to integrate (often), and by practice accepts/defends such behavior from abusers.
I'm making the generalisation that Islam, the culture of it, does not consider these men as anti-social reprobates as we obviously do.
There does appear to be a culture of disrespect for women amongst many of the asylum seekers. I believe Egypt is an example of their men disrespecting their own women. An act committed by more than one man.
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There is a clear difference between systematically raping young and vulnerable outside of ones religious group and boasting about grabbing women by the pussy.
IMO you are the one treating sexual assault and rape as a politically football by putting the two together to make a non point.
And you are the one using it to hurl an ad-hom at me and score a few cheap message board points.

I never said the two types of assault were the same either.


I never said that you claimed they were the same. You are the one trying to score cheap points by using a strawman of Trumps locker room bullshit to compare with the systematic raping of Little Non Muslims girls by Muslims who thought they were inferior .
Then ( as is your usual dishonest debate method) you chose to accuse me of saying you said they were THE SAME..ffs.
When will you and the likes of you stop mentioning locker room banter and rape in the same argument. Yuh should be ashamed..instead you chose to lie about what I stated .
However if you wasn’t trying to imply that it was hypocritical to highlight systematic rape by Muslims of little Non Muslim girls and not do the same for an idiot who alleged he touched women inappropriately then I withdraw my comments...but the truth is that you did...
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I'm making the generalisation that Islam, the culture of it, does not consider these men as anti-social reprobates as we obviously do.
"We" or at least a significant number of us, want to literally roll out the red carpet for a man who has boasted about sexually assaulting women.

And the Americans elected him as their President.

Doesn't sound much like condemning him as an anti-social reprobate to me.


Actually there was a choice between a man who claimed to grab women by the pussy and a woman who was married to a former president who was accused by several women of sexual assault and lied about having sex with his intern . Hillary did nothing to support Bills victims and allowed him to support her campaign...forgot about that did you?
I don’t remember you telling us not to support a candidate who supported an alleged sexual predator..so you must have done.
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"We" or at least a significant number of us, want to literally roll out the red carpet for a man who has boasted about sexually assaulting women.

And the Americans elected him as their President.

Doesn't sound much like condemning him as an anti-social reprobate to me.


Actually there was a choice between a man who claimed to grab women by the pussy and a woman who was married to a former president who was accused by several women of sexual assault and lied about having sex with his intern . Hillary did nothing to support Bills victims and allowed him to support her campaign...forgot about that did you?
I don’t remember you telling us not to support a candidate who supported an alleged sexual predator..so you must have done.
Surely the fact that Clinton was the other candidate only further strengthens my point that western society seems to have a disturbing tendency to look the other way with regards to sexual assault whenever it is politically expedient to do so?
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Actually there was a choice between a man who claimed to grab women by the pussy and a woman who was married to a former president who was accused by several women of sexual assault and lied about having sex with his intern . Hillary did nothing to support Bills victims and allowed him to support her campaign...forgot about that did you?
I don’t remember you telling us not to support a candidate who supported an alleged sexual predator..so you must have done.
Surely the fact that Clinton was the other candidate only further strengthens my point that western society seems to have a disturbing tendency to look the other way with regards to sexual assault whenever it is politically expedient to do so?


And Eastern, Northern and Southern...unless you know otherwise
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Surely the fact that Clinton was the other candidate only further strengthens my point that western society seems to have a disturbing tendency to look the other way with regards to sexual assault whenever it is politically expedient to do so?


And Eastern, Northern and Southern...unless you know otherwise
So you believe it's a universal rather than muslim problem then?
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And Eastern, Northern and Southern...unless you know otherwise
So you believe it's a universal rather than muslim problem then?


Of course. There are societies that tend to be more misogynistic than others though.
Where they occur then they should be pointed out rather than compared.
For instance there has been an article in the news of a black woman who was raped by six white men in the 1940s dying recently. Although she was represented by Rosa Parks and the men confessed they were not prosecute . There seems to be a consensus that white men thought that Black women could be raped with impunity during that time at that place....
Back to to now ,Apparently there are scores of thousands of men today that log into chat lines with a view to groom little girls for sexual abuse.
All of these things are serious issues and none of these things mitigate the others.( not that you said it )
Each one should be addressed under its own merit.
If anyone said that the brutal raping of Black women should even in the slightest bit be compared to a black man acting inappropriately I would strongly disagree.
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So you believe it's a universal rather than muslim problem then?


Of course. There are societies that tend to be more misogynistic than others though.
Where they occur then they should be pointed out rather than compared.
For instance there has been an article in the news of a black woman who was raped by six white men in the 1940s dying recently. Although she was represented by Rosa Parks and the men confessed they were not prosecute . There seems to be a consensus that white men thought that Black women could be raped with impunity during that time at that place....
Back to to now ,Apparently there are scores of thousands of men today that log into chat lines with a view to groom little girls for sexual abuse.
All of these things are serious issues and none of these things mitigate the others.( not that you said it )
Each one should be addressed under its own merit.
If anyone said that the brutal raping of Black women should even in the slightest bit be compared to a black man acting inappropriately I would strongly disagree.
My point wasn't to compare Rotherham to Trump.

My original point was that efforts to combat misogyny are hampered by cynical and disingenuous conduct of both left and right. To give an example, a middle eastern muslim immigrant allegedly grabs a woman by the vagina in Germany. Donald Trump allegedly grabs a woman by the vagina in New York. The same crime, equally deplorable yes?

Yet people on both left and right will wax apoplectic about one whilst rolling out the red carpet (Literally in some cases) for the other.

Like I said, no moral centre, so long as this continues women (and men) will continue to be sacrificed on the altar of the prevailing political viewpoint of the day.

And if anything our society is becoming more, not less politically entrenched.
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Of course. There are societies that tend to be more misogynistic than others though.
Where they occur then they should be pointed out rather than compared.
For instance there has been an article in the news of a black woman who was raped by six white men in the 1940s dying recently. Although she was represented by Rosa Parks and the men confessed they were not prosecute . There seems to be a consensus that white men thought that Black women could be raped with impunity during that time at that place....
Back to to now ,Apparently there are scores of thousands of men today that log into chat lines with a view to groom little girls for sexual abuse.
All of these things are serious issues and none of these things mitigate the others.( not that you said it )
Each one should be addressed under its own merit.
If anyone said that the brutal raping of Black women should even in the slightest bit be compared to a black man acting inappropriately I would strongly disagree.
My point wasn't to compare Rotherham to Trump.

My original point was that efforts to combat misogyny are hampered by cynical and disingenuous conduct of both left and right. To give an example, a middle eastern muslim immigrant allegedly grabs a woman by the vagina in Germany. Donald Trump allegedly grabs a woman by the vagina in New York. The same crime, equally deplorable yes?

Yet people on both left and right will wax apoplectic about one whilst rolling out the red carpet (Literally in some cases) for the other.

Like I said, no moral centre, so long as this continues women (and men) will continue to be sacrificed on the altar of the prevailing political viewpoint of the day.

And if anything our society is becoming more, not less politically entrenched.


I tend to agree with Matt Damon that there is a spectrum of sexual crimes just as there are other crimes.
That is why I get very angry when anyone puts ( what I consider) the two ends of the spectrum and makes any sort of comparison.
That is what I thought you did.
However your last post has explained your position. I understand it and agree.
I apologise if I overreacted.
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Last New Year Germany realised the nature of the people Merkel invited in with reckless abandon when the festivities were spoiled somewhat by numerous reports of various assaults of a sexual nature upon female new year revellers

This year Berlin has come up with a spiffing way to make sure it does not happen again.

They are going to segregate the crowd, offering areas where women will be safe from maurauding male revellers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42502984

Words pretty much fail me.
That article does not say that they are going to segregate the crowd, John.
Nor does it say that they are going to provide cages, as suggested in the thread title.
I've read it twice and it says:
Women who have been assaulted or feel harassed will be able to get support at a special "safety zone", staffed by the German Red Cross, on Ebertstrasse.
So it's a Red Cross initiative?

Of course, it would be good to have plenty of police on duty, overt and covert with security cameras to get evidence of any crimes if they do occur.
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I do believe a western style PC answer would be appeasement rather than removing those with criminal records.....but, hey who the fuck checks nowadays, and even then, when the miscreants are checked the ambulance chasing lawyers will make sure that they stay and at the same time reap alot of taxpayers money, and yet....the Europhile fanatics wish us to be a part of this charade of a democratic and free society?....it is enough to make a grown man spit.
Asylum seekers, asylum criminals and deportations.

"Some 35,000 deportations took place in Germany in the last 18 months. More than 600 were abandoned, however. Pro-free movement groups are offering information on how to successfully hinder a deportation".

"The German government currently expects around 100,000 people to have been deported by the end of the year. German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere announced last week that he aimed to ease the deportation process, particularly for migrant criminals.

http://www.dw.com/en/hundreds-of-migrants-resisting-deportation-from-germany-at-the-last-minute/a-19487757
But I am not interested in what happens in other countries, that is for themselves to sort out, basically speaking, I do not want the dross and undesirables that nobody else wants coming to the UK.

And with free and open borders and unrestricted movement, that is precisely what we have right now.
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Large numbers of people have gone to prison for sexual crime.
I really think we have turned a corner this time and the message is starting to get though.
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Large numbers of people have gone to prison for sexual crime.
I really think we have turned a corner this time and the message is starting to get though.
Well JB, take your time and read through the following regarding arrests.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=How+many+muslims+have+been+gaoled+for+1400+offences+in+the+UK.&oq=How+many+muslims+have+been+gaoled+for+1400+offences+in+
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I do believe a western style PC answer would be appeasement rather than removing those with criminal records.....but, hey who the fuck checks nowadays, and even then, when the miscreants are checked the ambulance chasing lawyers will make sure that they stay and at the same time reap alot of taxpayers money, and yet....the Europhile fanatics wish us to be a part of this charade of a democratic and free society?....it is enough to make a grown man spit.
Asylum seekers, asylum criminals and deportations.

"Some 35,000 deportations took place in Germany in the last 18 months. More than 600 were abandoned, however. Pro-free movement groups are offering information on how to successfully hinder a deportation".

"The German government currently expects around 100,000 people to have been deported by the end of the year. German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere announced last week that he aimed to ease the deportation process, particularly for migrant criminals.

http://www.dw.com/en/hundreds-of-migrants-resisting-deportation-from-germany-at-the-last-minute/a-19487757
But I am not interested in what happens in other countries, that is for themselves to sort out, basically speaking, I do not want the dross and undesirables that nobody else wants coming to the UK.

And with free and open borders and unrestricted movement, that is precisely what we have right now.
The UK did not have the sort of mass immigration of asylum seekers many countries in Europe had. Unless you are specific about who you are referring to freedom of movement gets mixed up with asylum seekers.
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Last New Year Germany realised the nature of the people Merkel invited in with reckless abandon when the festivities were spoiled somewhat by numerous reports of various assaults of a sexual nature upon female new year revellers

This year Berlin has come up with a spiffing way to make sure it does not happen again.

They are going to segregate the crowd, offering areas where women will be safe from maurauding male revellers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42502984

Words pretty much fail me.
Well, words don't fail me, it is just that I won't utter them lest I get 'accused' of 'islamophobia or racism'. Mind you other ethnic native drunken males don't always behave as 'saints', either.
Your correct.But they are ours and belong here like it or hate it. We don't need to import more shite
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A generalisation of course, we cannot avoid doing so if there is to be a recognition that this issue does at its core have a cultural aspect - therefor to generalise is not to include ALL Muslim men but instead to admit where this culture differs, fails to integrate (often), and by practice accepts/defends such behavior from abusers.
I'm making the generalisation that Islam, the culture of it, does not consider these men as anti-social reprobates as we obviously do.
There does appear to be a culture of disrespect for women amongst many of the asylum seekers. I believe Egypt is an example of their men disrespecting their own women. An act committed by more than one man.
Egypt.

I worked all over the ME and it is in every muslim nation
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But I am not interested in what happens in other countries, that is for themselves to sort out, basically speaking, I do not want the dross and undesirables that nobody else wants coming to the UK.

And with free and open borders and unrestricted movement, that is precisely what we have right now.
The UK did not have the sort of mass immigration of asylum seekers many countries in Europe had. Unless you are specific about who you are referring to freedom of movement gets mixed up with asylum seekers.
Freedom of movement,asylum seekers all the same. Generally people we don't want
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepno voluntary changethis issue does at its core have a cultural aspect - therefor to generalise is not to include ALL Muslim men but instead to admit where this culture differs, fails to integrate (often), and by practice accepts/defends such behavior from abusers.
I'm making the generalisation that Islam, the culture of it, does not consider these men as anti-social reprobates as we obviously do.
There does appear to be a culture of disrespect for women amongst many of the asylum seekers. I believe Egypt is an example of their men disrespecting their own women. An act committed by more than one man.
Egypt.

I worked all over the ME and it is in every muslim nation
I repeat......I do not trust Arabs.
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