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Why are you being so obtuse ?
You first A schoolyard reply following your earlier schoolyard reply. I can't believe you think your are being clever so it is either a natural childish tendency of yours or you are practising your trolling techniques. Either way
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You first
A schoolyard reply following your earlier schoolyard reply. I can't believe you think your are being clever so it is either a natural childish tendency of yours or you are practising your trolling techniques. Either way
Compared to your constant projection and trolling I am an amateur old chap but as I do not want to waste anymore of the mods time then have a little whine and then back to your schoolyard fantasies.
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pack it in both of you with this childish squabbling making no valid debating points
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 pack it in both of you with this childish squabbling making no valid debating points The naughty step has loads of space
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According to ITV 'Good morning Britain' this morning, Trump faces a civil lawsuit for defamation from a former Apprentice contestant accusing him of "sexual assault".
Sour grapes maybe ? Or Trump just being Trump ?
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According to ITV 'Good morning Britain' this morning, Trump faces a civil lawsuit for defamation from a former Apprentice contestant accusing him of "sexual assault".
Sour grapes maybe ? Or Trump just being Trump ? Well this could be interesting as last year Trump promised to sue her for defamation but as with so many of his promises failed to do so.
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According to ITV 'Good morning Britain' this morning, Trump faces a civil lawsuit for defamation from a former Apprentice contestant accusing him of "sexual assault".
Sour grapes maybe ? Or Trump just being Trump ?
Well this could be interesting as last year Trump promised to sue her for defamation but as with so many of his promises failed to do so.  time? Yes, and he has the cash. Hmm cash verses allegation, I would expect there would be only one winner.
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According to ITV 'Good morning Britain' this morning, Trump faces a civil lawsuit for defamation from a former Apprentice contestant accusing him of "sexual assault".
Sour grapes maybe ? Or Trump just being Trump ? Or a former Apprentice contestant looking for publicity and notoriety.
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According to ITV 'Good morning Britain' this morning, Trump faces a civil lawsuit for defamation from a former Apprentice contestant accusing him of "sexual assault".
Sour grapes maybe ? Or Trump just being Trump ? All Trump has to do is get the inauguration over on Friday. He is then President, and as such has immunity from such prosecutions. This was decided by their Supreme Court in Nixon vs. Fitzgerald (457 US 731). Explaining their reasoning, the court the US Supreme Court explained their reasoning thus......
"Because of the singular importance of the President's duties, diversion of his energies by concern with private lawsuits would raise unique risks to the effective functioning of government. As is the case with prosecutors and judges - for whom absolute immunity now is established - a President must concern himself with matters likely to 'arouse the most intense feelings.'...Yet, as our decisions have recognized, it is in precisely such cases that there exists the greatest public interest in providing an official 'the maximum ability to deal fearlessly and impartially with" the duties of his office... This concern is compelling where the officeholder must make the most sensitive and far-reaching decisions entrusted to any official under our constitutional system. Nor can the sheer prominence of the President's office be ignored. In view of the visibility of his office and the effect of his actions on countless people, the President would be an easily identifiable target for suits for civil damages. Cognizance of this personal vulnerability frequently could distract a President from his public duties, to the detriment of not only the President and his office but also the Nation that the Presidency was designed to serve."
So Trump will not be losing any sleep.
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According to ITV 'Good morning Britain' this morning, Trump faces a civil lawsuit for defamation from a former Apprentice contestant accusing him of "sexual assault".
Sour grapes maybe ? Or Trump just being Trump ?
All Trump has to do is get the inauguration over on Friday. He is then President, and as such has immunity from such prosecutions. This was decided by their Supreme Court in Nixon vs. Fitzgerald (457 US 731). Explaining their reasoning, the court the US Supreme Court explained their reasoning thus...... "Because of the singular importance of the President's duties, diversion of his energies by concern with private lawsuits would raise unique risks to the effective functioning of government. As is the case with prosecutors and judges - for whom absolute immunity now is established - a President must concern himself with matters likely to 'arouse the most intense feelings.'...Yet, as our decisions have recognized, it is in precisely such cases that there exists the greatest public interest in providing an official 'the maximum ability to deal fearlessly and impartially with" the duties of his office... This concern is compelling where the officeholder must make the most sensitive and far-reaching decisions entrusted to any official under our constitutional system. Nor can the sheer prominence of the President's office be ignored. In view of the visibility of his office and the effect of his actions on countless people, the President would be an easily identifiable target for suits for civil damages. Cognizance of this personal vulnerability frequently could distract a President from his public duties, to the detriment of not only the President and his office but also the Nation that the Presidency was designed to serve." So Trump will not be losing any sleep. What happened to Bill Clinton over Monica Lewinsky ? Will the Democrats hound Trump in office in the same way the Republicans hounded Clinton ?
If there is provable truth in the allegation made against Trump, there could be troubles ahead.
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We live in very dangerous times
Peoples and society has never been so divided - in the United States there is very real bitterness and very real anger by probably millions of people over the election of Donald Trump.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans see Trump as been a bigot, intollerant and a disgrace to what they feel is how America should be seen by the world, he is despised by most blacks, most Latino's, almost all American Muslims and by everyone who believes in a fair and just world.
In this country, society is split like it has never been split before, xenophobia has risen alarmingly, there are hundreds of thousands of British people who utterly reject deeply what is going on in the country, and to make matters much worse, it appears that Teressa May and her government are cosying up to Donald Trump - this makes me utterly sick, and it makes lots of people feel the same way, the divisions are deep and very bitter.
When Donald Trump won the American election, Angela Merkel sent a message of congratulations but with a footnote, it stated that she hoped that he would be a president for all Americans, regardless of their background, their origins, faith or sexuality.
Angela Merkel is a hero to me -- Teressa May is an arse licker
When people with your attitude realise that what has been happening is not the triumph of bigots but the failure of the politicians that you idolise ...who for decades have been pissing on working people and telling them it's raining. Stop demonising the people who want rid of the hypocrisy that the likes of Obama and the high priests of the EU . Angela Merkel a hero?...ffs
Please explain to me how attacks and slurs on people of other nationalities, different race's and other religions have anything to do with working people, or the betterment of ordinary people. ? What possible connection is there between politicians who believe in mutual respect, diplomacy, tollerance and compromise with the state of the working classes. Donald Trump is in the same mold as Vladimir Putin, Nigel Farage and Paul Nuttall, they are arseholes, not fit for purpose, they represent angry, uneducated and unintelligent bigots, and have been elected out of pure anger, but in reality what possible answers could such idiots come up with to make either their own society or even the world a better place. ? How do you feel Islamic extremists are going to react to Donald Trump ?, dont tell me, Mr Trump is going to dig up John Wayne and send in the Green Berets - do you feel Mr Trump is less likely to make America and Americans targets of terror, or more likely. ? What was the very first policy idea from UKIP's brand new leader ?, in a world troubled by Brexit, a failing NHS, cuts to public services, ISIS and economic woes, the very first policy idea from Mr Nuttall was that Burkah should be banned. Pandering after the angry thick idiots instead of addressing issues that are actually relivant or that matter, politicians with no real answers to the issues that actually affect peoples lives. Lets attack Muslims or Mexicans, lets demonize a section of society, or a particular minority, creating barriers, divisions, borders and suspicion. Yes there in power and they will make sure you have plenty to harp on about in here for years to come. I don't know your circumstances,but to call people who command the confidence of millions of people arseholes Says a lot about your situation. How many people have confidence in you ?
And you call them arseholes Then what are you ?
The only ones who will remember you when you go are your family. History books certainly won't
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We live in very dangerous times
Peoples and society has never been so divided - in the United States there is very real bitterness and very real anger by probably millions of people over the election of Donald Trump.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans see Trump as been a bigot, intollerant and a disgrace to what they feel is how America should be seen by the world, he is despised by most blacks, most Latino's, almost all American Muslims and by everyone who believes in a fair and just world.
In this country, society is split like it has never been split before, xenophobia has risen alarmingly, there are hundreds of thousands of British people who utterly reject deeply what is going on in the country, and to make matters much worse, it appears that Teressa May and her government are cosying up to Donald Trump - this makes me utterly sick, and it makes lots of people feel the same way, the divisions are deep and very bitter.
When Donald Trump won the American election, Angela Merkel sent a message of congratulations but with a footnote, it stated that she hoped that he would be a president for all Americans, regardless of their background, their origins, faith or sexuality.
Angela Merkel is a hero to me -- Teressa May is an arse licker
You'll like this, "As democracy is perfected, the office of President represents, more and more closely the inner soul of the people. On some great and day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire and at last the White House will be adorned with a downright moron." HL Menchen, the Evening Sun July 26th 1920. What do you want.
Only people like you Kruger and SteveK allowed to vote
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Please explain to me how attacks and slurs on people of other nationalities, different race's and other religions have anything to do with working people, or the betterment of ordinary people. ? What possible connection is there between politicians who believe in mutual respect, diplomacy, tollerance and compromise with the state of the working classes. Donald Trump is in the same mold as Vladimir Putin, Nigel Farage and Paul Nuttall, they are arseholes, not fit for purpose, they represent angry, uneducated and unintelligent bigots, and have been elected out of pure anger, but in reality what possible answers could such idiots come up with to make either their own society or even the world a better place. ? How do you feel Islamic extremists are going to react to Donald Trump ?, dont tell me, Mr Trump is going to dig up John Wayne and send in the Green Berets - do you feel Mr Trump is less likely to make America and Americans targets of terror, or more likely. ? What was the very first policy idea from UKIP's brand new leader ?, in a world troubled by Brexit, a failing NHS, cuts to public services, ISIS and economic woes, the very first policy idea from Mr Nuttall was that Burkah should be banned. Pandering after the angry thick idiots instead of addressing issues that are actually relivant or that matter, politicians with no real answers to the issues that actually affect peoples lives. Lets attack Muslims or Mexicans, lets demonize a section of society, or a particular minority, creating barriers, divisions, borders and suspicion.
Yes there in power and they will make sure you have plenty to harp on about in here for years to come. I don't know your circumstances,but to call people who command the confidence of millions of people arseholes  Says a lot about your situation. How many people have confidence in you ? And you call them arseholes  Then what are you ? The only ones who will remember you when you go are your family. History books certainly won't Erm yes, but couldn't one say the exact same thing about you and the politicians you have criticised?
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I take it you don't like his rhetoric? Problem is that he is the result of years of clueless politicians who use better or more acceptable (to you) but where and still are incompetent fools. For years the liberals have been demonising anyone who questions their view of the world , telling the people who's wages are stagnating, cannot buy or rent a house and see the prospect of secure job fading that they are racists when they point out that thousands of migrants are the problem (or at least part of it). While people feel alienated in their own towns dare to suggest a monoculture is the answer, the liberal left scream xenophobia and tell us it's multiculturalism or racism. Ring any bells? The false outrage of the liberal left has been ignored by the people who the lefties expect to pay for their political wet dreams. You had it coming and now it's come.
Nobody gives a damn about the working class, although many have often found it profitable to pretend to. The latest example being the Brexit mob, although as a working class Brit I don't recall Farrage and co asking permission to speak on my behalf, in fact I would very much prefer it if they didn't. Out of touch elitists eh? I don't remember Bliar having my permission to speak for me.So what do you think about that ?
Plus you had to get Brexit in there somewhere didn't you ?
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According to ITV 'Good morning Britain' this morning, Trump faces a civil lawsuit for defamation from a former Apprentice contestant accusing him of "sexual assault".
Sour grapes maybe ? Or Trump just being Trump ?
All Trump has to do is get the inauguration over on Friday. He is then President, and as such has immunity from such prosecutions. This was decided by their Supreme Court in Nixon vs. Fitzgerald (457 US 731). Explaining their reasoning, the court the US Supreme Court explained their reasoning thus...... "Because of the singular importance of the President's duties, diversion of his energies by concern with private lawsuits would raise unique risks to the effective functioning of government. As is the case with prosecutors and judges - for whom absolute immunity now is established - a President must concern himself with matters likely to 'arouse the most intense feelings.'...Yet, as our decisions have recognized, it is in precisely such cases that there exists the greatest public interest in providing an official 'the maximum ability to deal fearlessly and impartially with" the duties of his office... This concern is compelling where the officeholder must make the most sensitive and far-reaching decisions entrusted to any official under our constitutional system. Nor can the sheer prominence of the President's office be ignored. In view of the visibility of his office and the effect of his actions on countless people, the President would be an easily identifiable target for suits for civil damages. Cognizance of this personal vulnerability frequently could distract a President from his public duties, to the detriment of not only the President and his office but also the Nation that the Presidency was designed to serve." So Trump will not be losing any sleep.
What happened to Bill Clinton over Monica Lewinsky ? Will the Democrats hound Trump in office in the same way the Republicans hounded Clinton ? If there is provable truth in the allegation made against Trump, there could be troubles ahead. Are you still fookin grasping at any old shite that pops up over the parapet
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Yes there in power and they will make sure you have plenty to harp on about in here for years to come. I don't know your circumstances,but to call people who command the confidence of millions of people arseholes  Says a lot about your situation. How many people have confidence in you ? And you call them arseholes  Then what are you ? The only ones who will remember you when you go are your family. History books certainly won't
Erm yes, but couldn't one say the exact same thing about you and the politicians you have criticised? Of course they could. But unlike some on here I don't look down on people thinking I am better.
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Nobody gives a damn about the working class, although many have often found it profitable to pretend to. The latest example being the Brexit mob, although as a working class Brit I don't recall Farrage and co asking permission to speak on my behalf, in fact I would very much prefer it if they didn't. Out of touch elitists eh?
I don't remember Bliar having my permission to speak for me.So what do you think about that ? Plus you had to get Brexit in there somewhere didn't you ? Hard Brexit,it is then I've got nothing good to say about Tony Blair, he was like Farrage in that he tried very hard to convince people he was something he wasn't.
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I don't remember Bliar having my permission to speak for me.So what do you think about that ? Plus you had to get Brexit in there somewhere didn't you ? Hard Brexit,it is then
I've got nothing good to say about Tony Blair, he was like Farrage in that he tried very hard to convince people he was something he wasn't.
What did Farage pretend he was?
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I've got nothing good to say about Tony Blair, he was like Farrage in that he tried very hard to convince people he was something he wasn't.
What did Farage pretend he was? Farrage has always worked very hard to portray a man of the people image. I've never bought it, in fact as a working class bloke I actually find his act very patronising.
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What did Farage pretend he was?
Farrage has always worked very hard to portray a man of the people image. I've never bought it, in fact as a working class bloke I actually find his act very patronising.
Farage made no secret that he was a privileged bloke who was an ex banker. There is an ex prep school, grammar schooland professional politician who pretends to be a man of the people , bloke called Corbyn.
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Farrage has always worked very hard to portray a man of the people image. I've never bought it, in fact as a working class bloke I actually find his act very patronising.
Farage made no secret that he was a privileged bloke who was an ex banker. There is an ex prep school, grammar schooland professional politician who pretends to be a man of the people , bloke called Corbyn. I'm no fan of Corbyn either, but anyway Farrage seems to think that being seen drinking a pint and smoking a fag will be enough to convince people like me that he's one of us.
As you say he's an ex-public schoolboy and city trader, I grew up on a council estate in a single parent family. There is nothing wrong with his background or mine, but they aren't the same and to suggest that they are insults my intelligence. The thing is the forgery is screaming out, but people don't see it because they don't want to, that's humans for you.
What's more I don't appreciate Farrage presuming to speak on my behalf. The working class of this country aren't some homogeneous entity with one hive mind.
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I don't remember Bliar having my permission to speak for me.So what do you think about that ? Plus you had to get Brexit in there somewhere didn't you ? Hard Brexit,it is then
I've got nothing good to say about Tony Blair, he was like Farrage in that he tried very hard to convince people he was something he wasn't. There was I believe a major difference between the two. Farage was from the right of the Conservative party, (as too was Thatcher). He caused great concern to Cameron at one stage about the reliability of the right-wing of the party.
Blair on the other hand did come from a privileged background with a Conservative voting father. His political position was neither fully on the left nor fully on the right of politics. Pretending or not, he actually did do many good things for, as NL put it, "the benefit of the many, not the few".
I have listed on this board in the past, some of the things I have disagreed with that Blair did, so the clarification I offer above has nothing to do with any idea that Blair was perfect. I fully accept he wasn't.
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According to ITV 'Good morning Britain' this morning, Trump faces a civil lawsuit for defamation from a former Apprentice contestant accusing him of "sexual assault".
Sour grapes maybe ? Or Trump just being Trump ?
All Trump has to do is get the inauguration over on Friday. He is then President, and as such has immunity from such prosecutions. This was decided by their Supreme Court in Nixon vs. Fitzgerald (457 US 731). Explaining their reasoning, the court the US Supreme Court explained their reasoning thus...... "Because of the singular importance of the President's duties, diversion of his energies by concern with private lawsuits would raise unique risks to the effective functioning of government. As is the case with prosecutors and judges - for whom absolute immunity now is established - a President must concern himself with matters likely to 'arouse the most intense feelings.'...Yet, as our decisions have recognized, it is in precisely such cases that there exists the greatest public interest in providing an official 'the maximum ability to deal fearlessly and impartially with" the duties of his office... This concern is compelling where the officeholder must make the most sensitive and far-reaching decisions entrusted to any official under our constitutional system. Nor can the sheer prominence of the President's office be ignored. In view of the visibility of his office and the effect of his actions on countless people, the President would be an easily identifiable target for suits for civil damages. Cognizance of this personal vulnerability frequently could distract a President from his public duties, to the detriment of not only the President and his office but also the Nation that the Presidency was designed to serve." So Trump will not be losing any sleep. Unlike those that oppose him. They are having nightmares.
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Please explain to me how attacks and slurs on people of other nationalities, different race's and other religions have anything to do with working people, or the betterment of ordinary people. ? What possible connection is there between politicians who believe in mutual respect, diplomacy, tollerance and compromise with the state of the working classes. Donald Trump is in the same mold as Vladimir Putin, Nigel Farage and Paul Nuttall, they are arseholes, not fit for purpose, they represent angry, uneducated and unintelligent bigots, and have been elected out of pure anger, but in reality what possible answers could such idiots come up with to make either their own society or even the world a better place. ? How do you feel Islamic extremists are going to react to Donald Trump ?, dont tell me, Mr Trump is going to dig up John Wayne and send in the Green Berets - do you feel Mr Trump is less likely to make America and Americans targets of terror, or more likely. ? What was the very first policy idea from UKIP's brand new leader ?, in a world troubled by Brexit, a failing NHS, cuts to public services, ISIS and economic woes, the very first policy idea from Mr Nuttall was that Burkah should be banned. Pandering after the angry thick idiots instead of addressing issues that are actually relivant or that matter, politicians with no real answers to the issues that actually affect peoples lives. Lets attack Muslims or Mexicans, lets demonize a section of society, or a particular minority, creating barriers, divisions, borders and suspicion.
Yes there in power and they will make sure you have plenty to harp on about in here for years to come. I don't know your circumstances,but to call people who command the confidence of millions of people arseholes  Says a lot about your situation. How many people have confidence in you ? And you call them arseholes  Then what are you ? The only ones who will remember you when you go are your family. History books certainly won't Those that constantly try to demonise others need to be sure that they are not dong it just out of self interest and personal protection, but for all of us.
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Yes there in power and they will make sure you have plenty to harp on about in here for years to come. I don't know your circumstances,but to call people who command the confidence of millions of people arseholes  Says a lot about your situation. How many people have confidence in you ? And you call them arseholes  Then what are you ? The only ones who will remember you when you go are your family. History books certainly won't
Those that constantly try to demonise others need to be sure that they are not dong it just out of self interest and personal protection, but for all of us. So you've never criticised any politicians then?
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Those that constantly try to demonise others need to be sure that they are not dong it just out of self interest and personal protection, but for all of us.
So you've never criticised any politicians then? Only those I'm opposed to. As a team player I support my own side.
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According to ITV 'Good morning Britain' this morning, Trump faces a civil lawsuit for defamation from a former Apprentice contestant accusing him of "sexual assault".
Sour grapes maybe ? Or Trump just being Trump ?
All Trump has to do is get the inauguration over on Friday. He is then President, and as such has immunity from such prosecutions. This was decided by their Supreme Court in Nixon vs. Fitzgerald (457 US 731). Explaining their reasoning, the court the US Supreme Court explained their reasoning thus...... "Because of the singular importance of the President's duties, diversion of his energies by concern with private lawsuits would raise unique risks to the effective functioning of government. As is the case with prosecutors and judges - for whom absolute immunity now is established - a President must concern himself with matters likely to 'arouse the most intense feelings.'...Yet, as our decisions have recognized, it is in precisely such cases that there exists the greatest public interest in providing an official 'the maximum ability to deal fearlessly and impartially with" the duties of his office... This concern is compelling where the officeholder must make the most sensitive and far-reaching decisions entrusted to any official under our constitutional system. Nor can the sheer prominence of the President's office be ignored. In view of the visibility of his office and the effect of his actions on countless people, the President would be an easily identifiable target for suits for civil damages. Cognizance of this personal vulnerability frequently could distract a President from his public duties, to the detriment of not only the President and his office but also the Nation that the Presidency was designed to serve." So Trump will not be losing any sleep.
Unlike those that oppose him. They are having nightmares. Well he is 3,000 and more miles away from the UK so he won't be bothering many in these islands.
On the other hand with May talking in terms of 'centre politics', the need for a change of mind-set at the 'top end' of society with their need to have a more responsible attitude to the rest of society, she is talking my kind of language, spinning Mrs T in her grave and putting sour expressions on the faces of her supporters.
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So you've never criticised any politicians then?
Only those I'm opposed to. As a team player I support my own side. Which is exactly what Trump's critics are doing, so what's the problem?
Personally I think political tribalism is the biggest problem this country faces.
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Only those I'm opposed to. As a team player I support my own side.
Which is exactly what Trump's critics are doing, so what's the problem? Personally I think political tribalism is the biggest problem this country faces. he problem is that there is nothing they can do about it, and he will do what he wants to do. It will be wiser to wait and see what he actually does before waving a stick at him.
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It will be wiser to wait and see what he actually does before waving a stick at him.
It could be a "stick" like this one though:-
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Only those I'm opposed to. As a team player I support my own side.
Which is exactly what Trump's critics are doing, so what's the problem? Personally I think political tribalism is the biggest problem this country faces. I think the biggest threat is lack of integration and cultural and religious separation. Nothing wrong in tribalism if we are all the one tribe and on the same side, no matter what our personal faith or beliefs are. For example ,Britain was entirely Christian, but like Northern Ireland today torn apart by Catholicism and Protestantism, and that was when we were all one race and culture. Add to that different races, religions and cultures all vying for ascendancy and their own place, and you get an explosive mix, not one Nation with single identity , the tribe I refer to and which you do not support. From memory don't you live in a village environment, not in one of the ghettoised towns that we now have?
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It will be wiser to wait and see what he actually does before waving a stick at him.
It could be a "stick" like this one though:-  Still nothing you can do about it, except join the ranks. Better to make friendly gestures Papa , and not look to be confrontational. I was trained on a Le Enfield 303, a Bren, and a 9mm sten.
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Which is exactly what Trump's critics are doing, so what's the problem? Personally I think political tribalism is the biggest problem this country faces.
I think the biggest threat is lack of integration and cultural and religious separation. Nothing wrong in tribalism if we are all the one tribe and on the same side, no matter what our personal faith or beliefs are. For example ,Britain was entirely Christian, but like Northern Ireland today torn apart by Catholicism and Protestantism, and that was when we were all one race and culture. Add to that different races, religions and cultures all vying for ascendancy and their own place, and you get an explosive mix, not one Nation with single identity , the tribe I refer to and which you do not support. From memory don't you live in a village environment, not in one of the ghettoised towns that we now have? And political tribalism stands between this problem and any potential solution. As it does with every other problem we face.
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Which is exactly what Trump's critics are doing, so what's the problem? Personally I think political tribalism is the biggest problem this country faces.
he problem is that there is nothing they can do about it, and he will do what he wants to do. It will be wiser to wait and see what he actually does before waving a stick at him. There was nothing you could do about Tony Blair being PM, didn't stop you from criticising him did it?
I think people should be encouraged to express their opinions regardless of whether or not I agree with them.
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Still nothing you can do about it, except join the ranks. Better to make friendly gestures Papa , and not look to be confrontational. I was trained on a Le Enfield 303, a Bren, and a 9mm sten. I have not stated I want to do anything about it, but others do.
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Be honest!! Do you really think Hillary would have been a better option? She would have had her critics also.
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Be honest!! Do you really think Hillary would have been a better option? She would have had her critics also. It us just depressing that two such (expletive deleted) awful people ended up as candidates for president.
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Be honest!! Do you really think Hillary would have been a better option? She would have had her critics also.
It us just depressing that two such (expletive deleted) awful people ended up as candidates for president. Agreed, but Clinton could not of out Al Capone'd Al Capone.
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It will be wiser to wait and see what he actually does before waving a stick at him.
It could be a "stick" like this one though:- 
Typical garbage from our most vocally violent poster.
At least Trump gets to take the reins tomorrow so the usual suspects may even stop whining like dispossesed bitches, and if not, we simply ignore them from there on out.
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