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| Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,606 Views) | |
| C-too | Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM Post #1 |
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 20 2017, 02:02 AM Post #401 |
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.... and I had guessed a Brown Bess and pike! |
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| Gnikkk | Jan 20 2017, 05:45 AM Post #402 |
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These anti-democracy threads are wearing a bit thin. He won, Tories won, We are leaving the anti-democratic EU, people need to get over it. I'm looking forward to being listened to for a while. The US authorities might be looking at the suggestions above. Edited by Gnikkk, Jan 20 2017, 05:48 AM.
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| Tytoalba | Jan 20 2017, 10:36 AM Post #403 |
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Today Trump will be inaugurated as the New President of the Untied States of America. Do you remember how viciously he has been attacked by those opposed to him, and on this board, with some even wanting and hoping that his election could be overthrown by false allegations of association with Russia or with prostitutes or by any other means? It seems they have failed unless some unforeseen event takes place. Don't we seem to see the same behaviour from those opposed to Brexit, looking to the high court or some other means to over throw the democratic will of the majority. As with Trump the decision has been made, and Brexit will mean Brexit. Come to terms with it and stop looking at the small print in the hope that it can be overturned. |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 20 2017, 10:47 AM Post #404 |
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He won in a dodgy sort of way, with three million fewer votes than his defeated opponent, an FBI director who intervened in the election at the last moment, Russian interference in the election and all sorts of other shenanigans going on. The American voting public knows it too, as Trump has the lowest approval rating going into this Presidency in history. Fear and anger put Trump on the throne. This is not a glory day for democracy. |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 20 2017, 10:54 AM Post #405 |
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Allegations! Allegations! There is no proof of any wrongdoing. Just saying something is true does not make it so. |
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| Affa | Jan 20 2017, 11:08 AM Post #406 |
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OK! Ask, 'is it possible for such as these allegations' could have taken place, could have influenced the outcome? If you answer 'yes', then you will also have to question and answer why you think it didn't happen. It is a fact of life in politics, in democracy, that what (some) voters learn, what they hear, will influence how they decide. And all efforts to have that influence will be employed. Here is no different. The Establishment know how to influence voters choice in order to ensure their own perpetuation! |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 20 2017, 11:09 AM Post #407 |
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Even Trump admits to Russian interference. The rest of what I said happened in public daylight and it is historic fact, not "allegations". |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 20 2017, 11:30 AM Post #408 |
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Ever heard of a little number called "freedom of speech"? Winning an election doesn't put you above criticism or accountability. |
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| C-too | Jan 20 2017, 01:18 PM Post #409 |
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The problem is those who live in a dream world and who refuse to look at many of the realities that now face them. |
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| Cymru | Jan 20 2017, 06:08 PM Post #410 |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 20 2017, 07:29 PM Post #411 |
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I suspect it's Trump's supporters who will be crying when they realise they've been duped and it turns out the billionaire businessman wasn't an anti-establisment, working class hero after all. Who'd have thunk it 😂 Edited by Happy Hornet, Jan 20 2017, 07:29 PM.
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| C-too | Jan 20 2017, 10:06 PM Post #412 |
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I have no respect for Trump and very little respect for those who support him. |
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| Tigger | Jan 20 2017, 10:29 PM Post #413 |
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You need to learn to differentiate between reported facts and the allegations made, being wilfully blind does not cut it on here.......... |
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| Tigger | Jan 20 2017, 10:30 PM Post #414 |
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Makes a change from being shown a picture of Putin with his shirt off.
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| Rich | Jan 20 2017, 10:45 PM Post #415 |
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Righto....I am sure that that will make everyone reassess their thoughts so that they comply with your benchmarks in order to get 10/10 from you. |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 20 2017, 10:59 PM Post #416 |
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How convoluted can you get? This is not fiction, where anything can be written, and the stoiry made up as we go along, this is just accepting that there is no wrong until the evidence is presented that there is. Its our fundamental human right to be able to live in peace with each other with without allegations being written about us unless there is sound evidence that it is the case. Libel and slander are types of defamation, and in the UK libel and slander laws are contained in the Defamation Act 1996. |
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| Rich | Jan 20 2017, 11:20 PM Post #417 |
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If that is the case, then how can a certain poster claim that Tory policies are killing people? especially when we are spending so much in foreign aid in order to keep people alive. Nobody needs to die in this country through neglect unless it is self imposed, as every authority is legally, morally and duty bound to look after any individual that rocks up on their area and notifies them that they need help with basic needs. Once again I await proof of the hyperbolic claims of a certain poster on this board. Am I trolling in this context or just taking the debate further or what? |
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| Tigger | Jan 20 2017, 11:22 PM Post #418 |
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Ever heard of the legal concept of fair comment? Instead of quoting the law learn to understand it first, the latest amendments to defamation laws were made in 2013, this freedom resulted in senior judges being accused of being enemies of the people......... |
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| Cymru | Jan 21 2017, 12:51 AM Post #419 |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 21 2017, 01:32 AM Post #420 |
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Roll over, Fifi! |
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| xosg | Jan 21 2017, 06:31 AM Post #421 |
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Do you see how the public view ALL you liberal progressives ? I suppose your proud of that persona With your fake tears Your fake hurt feelings Your "SAFE SPACES" And your PC Bullshit ALL coming to an end. Watch the next episode |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 21 2017, 06:39 AM Post #422 |
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I'm a liberal progressive am I? Funny, I thought that I rejected all political labels as narrow minded, obstructive and devisive. Thank goodness you are here to tell me what my views really are. And you apparently know what the views of the public are too, is that all of them? You realise that the liberals you deride are members of the public as well? Edited by Happy Hornet, Jan 21 2017, 06:40 AM.
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| C-too | Jan 21 2017, 09:04 AM Post #423 |
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I don't expect right-wingers with FIXED opinions to be capable of questioning anything outside of their limited thinking. |
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| C-too | Jan 21 2017, 09:17 AM Post #424 |
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There was one ... anti-Put in ... individual who did leave, but was killed in the UK and a few ... anti-Put in ... reporters who were made to take their last breath inside Russia. But why would Russophile ... Put in ... lovers concern themselves about that. |
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| krugerman | Jan 21 2017, 09:31 AM Post #425 |
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The most divisive US president in history, yes he is loved and liked by many, but bitterley detested and despised by even more people across the world, what possible message of hope, peace, compromise or trust does this send out. ? Wherever Donald Trump goes, he will be followed by mass demonstrations and anger, it will happen if he visits this country, it will happen if he goes to continental Europe or Canada, and I suspect his security men will shit their pants if he ever suggests going to a Muslim country. What kind of world leader is this ? For common sense and for a decent, fair and balanced world we will have to look to the rest of the free world to keep Trump in check, Angela Merkel, Francois Hollande, Justin Trudeau, our own Prime Minister and others, he needs to be politely and diplomatically reminded that he cannot do anything much without world co-operation. |
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| Affa | Jan 21 2017, 10:31 AM Post #426 |
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What were you saying about 'funny how those of us who stick to debating the subject and not the poster don't seem to have any problems with the mods.'? Our Mod thinks you are honest. |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 21 2017, 10:59 AM Post #427 |
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I was responding to an off topic personal attack on me (which you have ignored i notice) by pointing out the flaws in his argument, admittedly there was a sarcastic comment which I won't complain if I get a rap on the knuckles for. Your post however contained nothing but an attack on me and the mods. |
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| xosg | Jan 21 2017, 11:13 AM Post #428 |
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Well you lot seem to know how Brexiteers voted.You seem to have a second sense
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| xosg | Jan 21 2017, 11:14 AM Post #429 |
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DITTO
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 21 2017, 11:22 AM Post #430 |
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I've never made any claims about the motives of Brexit voters, I'm sure their reasons were many and varied. I try not to pigeonhole people, in my experience its counter productive. |
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| xosg | Jan 21 2017, 11:40 AM Post #431 |
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He can do whatever he wants to do. Watch all the others stand behind like the lapdogs they are. Self sustainable in FOOD Self sustainable in ENERGY Self sustainable in OIL Self sustainable in MILTARY TERMS Most advanced MILITARY on the planet Self sustainable ECONOMICALLY (print your own money ) Self sustainable TECHNOLOGICALLY The world clambering to get deals with the USA Now why should he conform to everyone else. YOU TELL US ALL ? (can't wait for this ) |
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| xosg | Jan 21 2017, 11:43 AM Post #432 |
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If he read the text. I am not accusing the poster. I am accusing them all collectively. |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 21 2017, 11:45 AM Post #433 |
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You just do what you're told to do and Trump will treat you well. He has already said as much. It worked during George W.'Presidency and it will work for you, again. |
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| xosg | Jan 21 2017, 11:55 AM Post #434 |
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You must be the only liberal I know with that attitude. WE voted for same way you lot did for staying.Many different reasons.I would be quite happy to have another vote as I know it will be by a bigger margin now |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 21 2017, 12:29 PM Post #435 |
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I'm not a liberal, I don't believe in political tribalism I think its a cancer on our society. And yes, people voted the same way but often for different reasons. For example, a colleague of mine self identities as left wing but voted leave because he considers the EU to be a vehicle for right wing neo-liberal economics. I daresay that's somewhat different to your reason to vote leave yes? |
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| krugerman | Jan 21 2017, 01:20 PM Post #436 |
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The United States is Canada's major trade market for energy products and services. Canada sends around 98% of its total energy exports to the United States, meaning that Canada is the largest supplier of energy exports to the world's largest economy. In 2015 the US imported nearly 8 million barells of crude oil per day ( 43% Canada, 14% Saudi Arabia, 11% Venezuala, 9% Mexico, 23% rest of the world ) Without American bases on British soil, the US defence system would basically colapse and cease to function. The worlds largest electronic spy station and information gathering centre is at Menwith Hill near Harrogate, North Yorkshire which feeds information to a base in Maryland, one of two highly important electronic bases in North Yorkshire, the other been the Fylingdales Radar Station on the North York Moors. The US base on Diego Garcia, part of the British Indian Ocean Territory is of vital strategic importance to the United States, playing key roles in offensive and defensive operations in the Middle East, Iraq and Afghanistan. In 2014 the United States imported $2.4 Trillion worth of goods The United States is as dependent on the rest of the world as what any nation is, and although it may be self sufficient in food, it is not self sufficient in the things to help to grow food, fertilisers for example. Economically the United States is in decline, the EU is now a larger Consumer Market, China is going to not only overtake the United States, but by 2050 will be virtually double the size of the US economy, soon after this time India will push the United States into third place. |
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| Steve K | Jan 21 2017, 01:46 PM Post #437 |
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Because as their increasing debt (see chart) shows they're not self sufficient in money and he wants to spend more and tax his buddies less to make it worse. ![]() |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 21 2017, 02:05 PM Post #438 |
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How many more times do you have to be told that accusations are not proof. We could spend all day making up accusations about others if there were no laws to protect us and them. There is also a ninth commandment that thou shall no bear false witness against thy neighbour, and that goes back through the centuries as a sound principle of respect for each other Why should so many of you want to do so? Why is it so important for some to put others down, especially those that have been legitimately successful in life? Who has the biggest problem ,the ones being accused or their accusers? If you have proof then present it to the right authorities, or print it in full and accept the consequences. |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 21 2017, 02:18 PM Post #439 |
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Don't they understand that the dictatorial intellectual imposition of their own liberal ways has been a prim mover in Brexit , and in the Election of Trump, and the rise across Europe of the political right.? There is more to come, and their lack of understanding of the human psyche and instincts of humans as a whole makes them their own worst enemies. Their imposed ultraism has run away from them and they have lost control of it. People want their soul back |
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| ranger121 | Jan 21 2017, 02:19 PM Post #440 |
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OK, I get that Mr Trump has won the election. As usual, conspiracy, fraud, lies and deception are spouted from the losing side's supporters. But thousands in this country turn out on the streets to demonstrate against the democratically-elected President of another country? Exactly, what do 'they' expect to happen? That the USA will suddenly say, "Sorry, Trump ol' buddy, it seems some Brits don't like you or your likely policies in the future, so you'll have to resign" Chances of that happening? errr... zero. WE do not tell the USA how to do things. They have bigger guns than we have. |
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IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.







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