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Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,602 Views)
C-too
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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Jan 22 2017, 08:34 PM
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Jan 22 2017, 08:26 PM
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Jan 22 2017, 08:22 PM
Shows you how pathetic you all are
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Do read the Forum Rules
What is that supposed to mean  nonono: ?

What law have I broken now ?

I don't go around with my little red book in my pocket ( know what I mean )
Are you telling us you can't click a hyperlink or that you can't read or that you're just trolling?

You use second person English to call a specific poster (and unnamed other posters) 'pathetic' then it ain't rocket science to see you're breaking the no insult rule. I was giving you a subtle hint but if you insist I can get the moderation toolkit out.
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Jan 22 2017, 08:53 PM
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What is that supposed to mean  nonono: ?

What law have I broken now ?

I don't go around with my little red book in my pocket ( know what I mean )
Are you telling us you can't click a hyperlink or that you can't read or that you're just trolling?

You use second person English to call a specific poster (and unnamed other posters) 'pathetic' then it ain't rocket science to see you're breaking the no insult rule. I was giving you a subtle hint but if you insist I can get the moderation toolkit out.
Calling someone "Pathetic " for a comment they made is an insult. Give me strength.

So if I say, "your comment is pathetic." I am breaking rules ?


PS If you must get it out,then get it out.Am sick of being threatened every 5 mins

Edited by xosg, Jan 22 2017, 08:59 PM.
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Jan 22 2017, 08:57 PM
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Jan 22 2017, 08:53 PM
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Jan 22 2017, 08:34 PM

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Are you telling us you can't click a hyperlink or that you can't read or that you're just trolling?

You use second person English to call a specific poster (and unnamed other posters) 'pathetic' then it ain't rocket science to see you're breaking the no insult rule. I was giving you a subtle hint but if you insist I can get the moderation toolkit out.
Calling someone "Pathetic " for a comment they made is an insult. Give me strength.

So if I say, "your comment is pathetic." I am breaking rules ?

It is when you say it to a moderator, like that.
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Jan 22 2017, 08:47 PM


Yes, seriously, so how about any kind of corroboration for once ?
:facepalm: Haven't you got a search engine on your PC?

The US banking system crashed under the BUSH presidency remember now? On the 21st of July 2010 OBAMA signed off the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, which he instigated, it's sixteen clauses brought about radical reform including better oversight aND the legislation to enable insolvent banks to be wound down in a orderly manner.

:facepalm:
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Jan 22 2017, 08:57 PM
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Jan 22 2017, 08:53 PM

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Calling someone "Pathetic " for a comment they made is an insult. Give me strength.

So if I say, "your comment is pathetic." I am breaking rules ?

It is when you say it to a moderator, like that.
It is whoever you say it too, in fact you are more likely to get no action taken if it is made about a mod

To answer xosg's point, no it isn't breaking the rules to say "your comment is pathetic" well not if a one off or there's more of substance to the retort


anyone got a issue if this less than fascinating off topic dialogue is split out from this thread?
Edited by Steve K, Jan 22 2017, 09:13 PM.
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Jan 22 2017, 06:00 PM

You believe May will serve with more respect for voters, considerably less favouritism for big business.
I mentioned that to do that without the full support of her party she has no chance - I doubt any leader of any party could pull it off.
The difficult part will be maintaining the privileges of the better off who will be hit by Brexit, whilst at the same time offering enough red meat to the plebs to keep them distracted.

Not for the first time am I left wondering why my posting uncomfortable conjecture gets little response. Thank to you I know it isn't invisible, but a lot is being made of what the government has detailed its focus will be, a focus most welcome by all sides (more or less (even Ctoo)). But when I postulate that not only is the rhetoric suspect, it's even unlikely to be realised if the will/desire to carry it through did exist, there is no reaction.
What I see is resigned acceptance of being hoodwinked!

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Jan 22 2017, 09:27 PM

What I see is resigned acceptance of being hoodwinked!

You got that 100% right, ignorance and pride are a bad combination.

If May comes back from the US with a deal that involves giving up our first born the usual suspects and the press will hail it as an immense success, I'm just wondering what's really on offer looking through the lens of America First?
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Jan 22 2017, 09:27 PM

What I see is resigned acceptance of being hoodwinked!

You got that 100% right, ignorance and pride are a bad combination.

If May comes back from the US with a deal that involves giving up our first born the usual suspects and the press will hail it as an immense success, I'm just wondering what's really on offer looking through the lens of America First?
Now you are just engaging in hyperbole.

There is no way May can come back with a deal in a couple of days.

But that is not a deal is it ? Nothing signed,no details and here you are talking about first born,pathetic really don't ya think ?

And the usual lot will have a whole debate about your hyperbole :banghead: UNREAL
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What I see is resigned acceptance of being hoodwinked!

You got that 100% right, ignorance and pride are a bad combination.

If May comes back from the US with a deal that involves giving up our first born the usual suspects and the press will hail it as an immense success, I'm just wondering what's really on offer looking through the lens of America First?
Now you are just engaging in hyperbole.

There is no way May can come back with a deal in a couple of days.

But that is not a deal is it ? Nothing signed,no details and here you are talking about first born,pathetic really don't ya think ?

And the usual lot will have a whole debate about your hyperbole :banghead: UNREAL
Show me where I mentioned a time scale?
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What I see is resigned acceptance of being hoodwinked!

You got that 100% right, ignorance and pride are a bad combination.

If May comes back from the US with a deal that involves giving up our first born the usual suspects and the press will hail it as an immense success, I'm just wondering what's really on offer looking through the lens of America First?
Tell me what is wrong with the slogan "America first" ?

If May doesn't go there with the same attitude she should not be doing the job,don't ya think ?

Same with Hollande."France first " same with Merkel "Germany First " in fact any leader would be doing their country a disservice don't ya think ?

So you tell me why Trump should be slagged of for saying that ? I would call him a good leader,would'nt you ?
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What I see is resigned acceptance of being hoodwinked!

You got that 100% right, ignorance and pride are a bad combination.

If May comes back from the US with a deal that involves giving up our first born the usual suspects and the press will hail it as an immense success, I'm just wondering what's really on offer looking through the lens of America First?

I suppose you will try and wriggle your way out of it:


"If May comes back from the US with a deal that involves giving up our first born the usual suspects and the press will hail it as an immense success"


The sentence speaks for itself
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Jan 22 2017, 09:42 PM
Tell me what is wrong with the slogan "America first" ?



Because in any deal we will be second, didn't we just dump another partner because of that?

;-)
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"If May comes back from the US with a deal that involves giving up our first born the usual suspects and the press will hail it as an immense success"


The sentence speaks for itself
That is because it is true! You've only got to look at the gutter press to see how even minor chats with semi interested parties are hailed as success,

ASIA BEATS A DOOR TO UK! (India wants to send students here, we don't want them).
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Tell me what is wrong with the slogan "America first" ?



Because in any deal we will be second, didn't we just dump another partner because of that?

;-)
Lets wait and see shall we and not presume. In any deal,one of the signatories will benefit more than the other.The question is,how much do we benefit,not if they benefit and by how much.If we don't we walk away,I am sure there is a lot of people advising her on it.

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Tell me what is wrong with the slogan "America first" ?


The same sort of nationalist isolationism has all been seen, before.

"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer"


Edited by Curious Cdn, Jan 22 2017, 11:02 PM.
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What I see is resigned acceptance of being hoodwinked!

You got that 100% right, ignorance and pride are a bad combination.

If May comes back from the US with a deal that involves giving up our first born the usual suspects and the press will hail it as an immense success, I'm just wondering what's really on offer looking through the lens of America First?

As of now May has been more credible than we have been used to from her peers. It's clear to me that she doesn't want to be seen as disingenuous as Cameron was. Why I can't say, but it does come over.
Of course it could all be to smooth the way towards something she cannot sell as success for those that did register a vote in the referendum. But as of now there is a lot of goodwill coming her way.
And that just might be what all the rhetoric is meant to provide for her.

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Tell me what is wrong with the slogan "America first" ?



Because in any deal we will be second, didn't we just dump another partner because of that?

;-)
Lets wait and see shall we and not presume. In any deal,one of the signatories will benefit more than the other.The question is,how much do we benefit,not if they benefit and by how much.If we don't we walk away,I am sure there is a lot of people advising her on it.

Marriage is just like a violin, once the beautiful music has ended, the strings are still attached.......and I am quite certain that Donald likes beautiful music especially when it sounds like cash registers opening and closing and opening again, mutuality has always been a very big incentive for marriages to thrive and mature. ;-)
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Tell me what is wrong with the slogan "America first" ?



Because in any deal we will be second, didn't we just dump another partner because of that?

;-)
Because in any deal you are more likely to be fifth or sixth. There is very little that you do in Britain ... that Britain has to offer that doesn't compete directly against the core economic activities in America that Trump has sworn to fix.
Edited by Curious Cdn, Jan 23 2017, 12:44 AM.
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I see Trump is so desperately insecure he's got his White House press secretary Sean Spicer telling lies already about how many people turned up to his inauguration

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38712182

He's now trying to defend being caught out being a lying little git who works for a lying little handed git by saying no one has any numbers. Unfortunately there's a time lapse video and public transportation data that shows only about 1/3 the number that came to see Obama in 2013 came to see shaby Donald last week

And Spicer is going to find out so soon and so harshly that you don't aggressively diss the media when they're reporting the truth.


Difficult to see what Trump hopes to gain from such unmitigated lies. Surely his best (and only) reaction should have been to shrug it off and get on with the job.

I cannot see why he is narcissistically wedded to Twatter and Farcebook instead of using official channels.
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Jan 22 2017, 08:08 PM
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So to clarify, you are defending a politician who has lied to the public?
And you haven't ? :facepalm:

Lets start with BLIAR shall we ?

Or if your a lib dem how about good ol bonking paddy hey ?

Jeremy Thorpe

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Tell me when to stop :banghead:
Grow up.
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And you haven't ? :facepalm:

Lets start with BLIAR shall we ?

Or if your a lib dem how about good ol bonking paddy hey ?

Jeremy Thorpe

Peter Mandelson

Tell me when to stop :banghead:
Grow up.
Don't say that....just repute what the man has said.....if you can.
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Grow up.
Don't say that....just repute what the man has said.....if you can.
I have done it time and time again.

Insinuation counts for nothing until one puts some meat on the bones. His childish use of the term Bliar without even, despite repeated requests, a list of lies, makes him a fool who needs to grow up.
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Jan 22 2017, 07:19 PM
So day one and Trump has his press secretary telling outright lies or "alternative facts" as his team put it, about the attendance at his inauguration.

Doesn't bode well.
About that.
http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/
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Don't say that....just repute what the man has said.....if you can.
I have done it time and time again.

Insinuation counts for nothing until one puts some meat on the bones. His childish use of the term Bliar without even, despite repeated requests, a list of lies, makes him a fool who needs to grow up.
lOnly one fool out of the two of us,and I'm not the one supporting Bliar
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So day one and Trump has his press secretary telling outright lies or "alternative facts" as his team put it, about the attendance at his inauguration.

Doesn't bode well.
About that.
http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/
Read online this morning that stats for the Washington metro tv ratings and crowd analysis confirm that Spicer's claim that Trump's inauguration had the largest ever audience to witness an inauguration is demonstrably false.

Trump has also gone back on his oft repeated pre-election promise to publish his tax records.

Draining the swamp eh?
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The gigapixel pic is superb so much to see if you zoom in and have a good look.
http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/


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He's only been in office two full days, and the record so far .......

Telling a pack of lies about the crowds at the innaugeration

Attracted the largest US demonstrations since the Vietnam War

Gone back on his promise to reveal his tax returns

It is widely thought that his tax returns will show that some years he paid absolutelly no tax what so ever, even though he is a billionaire, and that they would reveal previously unknown business dealings - and you thought he was different, he's just like all the other wealthy tax dodgers, he is part of the problem, not the remedy.
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The gigapixel pic is superb so much to see if you zoom in and have a good look.
http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/


Yes very impressive, not very informative wrt to actual numbers though.
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He's only been in office two full days, and the record so far .......

Telling a pack of lies about the crowds at the innaugeration

Attracted the largest US demonstrations since the Vietnam War

Gone back on his promise to reveal his tax returns

It is widely thought that his tax returns will show that some years he paid absolutelly no tax what so ever, even though he is a billionaire, and that they would reveal previously unknown business dealings - and you thought he was different, he's just like all the other wealthy tax dodgers, he is part of the problem, not the remedy.
Indeed, he is exactly what he claimed to oppose, part of the wealthy elite who is out for himself.
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Tell me what is wrong with the slogan "America first" ?


The same sort of nationalist isolationism has all been seen, before.

"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer"



Sigh, Godwin again.......
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Yes, seriously, so how about any kind of corroboration for once ?
:facepalm: Haven't you got a search engine on your PC?

The US banking system crashed under the BUSH presidency remember now? On the 21st of July 2010 OBAMA signed off the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, which he instigated, it's sixteen clauses brought about radical reform including better oversight aND the legislation to enable insolvent banks to be wound down in a orderly manner.

:facepalm:

First the apology, which I offer freely and sincerely, I have learned something today so thanks for that.

But, and you knew there would be one, the newly created 'Financial Stability Oversight Council' does have to actually function to be of any real use in preventing further banking meltdowns, so I hope it is effective, unlike our old FSA and likely, it's current successor.

Anyway, ta for making the point.
Edited by The Buccaneer, Jan 23 2017, 11:01 AM.
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He's only been in office two full days, and the record so far .......

Telling a pack of lies about the crowds at the innaugeration

Attracted the largest US demonstrations since the Vietnam War

Gone back on his promise to reveal his tax returns

It is widely thought that his tax returns will show that some years he paid absolutelly no tax what so ever, even though he is a billionaire, and that they would reveal previously unknown business dealings - and you thought he was different, he's just like all the other wealthy tax dodgers, he is part of the problem, not the remedy.
Indeed, he is exactly what he claimed to oppose, part of the wealthy elite who is out for himself.
"White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus said there was "an obsession... to de-legitimise this president. We're not going to sit around and take it."

How many of his opponents on here are joining in in trying to de- legitimise the President? How many are trying to de- legitimise Brexit?
Where does the democratic process end and mob rule begin, and which do you support. and why?

Too many opponents to both come from the left of politics, and as I have pointed out they are the ones fueling the rise of the right , the vote for Brexit, the swing to the right in Europe and the election of Trump. We have seen the claims by losers on here that the media exercises an undue influence over the democratic process, so do you now allow them to exercise an influence over the outcome of the legitimate democratic vote and system that was agreed by all before the votes take place.?
One other point. The claim is that he did not win with the popular vote, and yet the same complainers will not accept the popular majority vote for Brexit. Two faced or not, or just attempts to win by any means, or just plan political dishonesty?.
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He's only been in office two full days, and the record so far .......

Telling a pack of lies about the crowds at the innaugeration

Attracted the largest US demonstrations since the Vietnam War

Gone back on his promise to reveal his tax returns

It is widely thought that his tax returns will show that some years he paid absolutelly no tax what so ever, even though he is a billionaire, and that they would reveal previously unknown business dealings - and you thought he was different, he's just like all the other wealthy tax dodgers, he is part of the problem, not the remedy.
Indeed, he is exactly what he claimed to oppose, part of the wealthy elite who is out for himself.
"White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus said there was "an obsession... to de-legitimise this president. We're not going to sit around and take it."

How many of his opponents on here are joining in in trying to de- legitimise the President? How many are trying to de- legitimise Brexit?
Where does the democratic process end and mob rule begin, and which do you support. and why?

Too many opponents to both come from the left of politics, and as I have pointed out they are the ones fueling the rise of the right , the vote for Brexit, the swing to the right in Europe and the election of Trump. We have seen the claims by losers on here that the media exercises an undue influence over the democratic process, so do you now allow them to exercise an influence over the outcome of the legitimate democratic vote and system that was agreed by all before the votes take place.?
One other point. The claim is that he did not win with the popular vote, and yet the same complainers will not accept the popular majority vote for Brexit. Two faced or not, or just attempts to win by any means, or just plan political dishonesty?.
So reporting facts is an attempt to de-legitimise the President?

Trump is de-legitamising himself by lying and going back on campaign promises.

And if you're so incensed by dishonesty why is it you have nothing to say about Trump's well documented dishonesty?
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"White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus said there was "an obsession... to de-legitimise this president. We're not going to sit around and take it."

How many of his opponents on here are joining in in trying to de- legitimise the President? How many are trying to de- legitimise Brexit?
Where does the democratic process end and mob rule begin, and which do you support. and why?

Too many opponents to both come from the left of politics, and as I have pointed out they are the ones fueling the rise of the right , the vote for Brexit, the swing to the right in Europe and the election of Trump. We have seen the claims by losers on here that the media exercises an undue influence over the democratic process, so do you now allow them to exercise an influence over the outcome of the legitimate democratic vote and system that was agreed by all before the votes take place.?
One other point. The claim is that he did not win with the popular vote, and yet the same complainers will not accept the popular majority vote for Brexit. Two faced or not, or just attempts to win by any means, or just plan political dishonesty?.
So reporting facts is an attempt to de-legitimise the President?

Trump is de-legitamising himself by lying and going back on campaign promises.

And if you're so incensed by dishonesty why is it you have nothing to say about Trump's well documented dishonesty?
Because like you I cannot do anything about it, I don't know what is true or false, and it is a matter for the American people, not you and I to interfere in.
Now what about you Do you believe in the democratic process and accept it, warts and all, or do you want to overthrow the legitimate democratic process by any means if it does not work in your favour?
One of those choices leads to anarchy and social disruption, the other a peaceful acceptance with the opportunity to change everything the next time around.
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So reporting facts is an attempt to de-legitimise the President?

Trump is de-legitamising himself by lying and going back on campaign promises.

And if you're so incensed by dishonesty why is it you have nothing to say about Trump's well documented dishonesty?
Because like you I cannot do anything about it, I don't know what is true or false, and it is a matter for the American people, not you and I to interfere in.
Now what about you Do you believe in the democratic process and accept it, warts and all, or do you want to overthrow the legitimate democratic process by any means if it does not work in your favour?
One of those choices leads to anarchy and social disruption, the other a peaceful acceptance with the opportunity to change everything the next time around.
My understanding of democracy is that winning an election doesn't place someone above criticism. One can accept the result of an election but still retain the right to comment on and/or criticise the performance of a president or prime minister in office. For example, Obama won two elections, Blair won three, it didn't stop people or the press from criticising them nor should it. You yourself have exercised your right to criticise Blair in spite of his electoral success, so why deny others the same right re: Trump?

It's called freedom of speech and it is an essential part of any healthy democracy.
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Because like you I cannot do anything about it, I don't know what is true or false, and it is a matter for the American people, not you and I to interfere in.
Now what about you Do you believe in the democratic process and accept it, warts and all, or do you want to overthrow the legitimate democratic process by any means if it does not work in your favour?
One of those choices leads to anarchy and social disruption, the other a peaceful acceptance with the opportunity to change everything the next time around.
My understanding of democracy is that winning an election doesn't place someone above criticism. One can accept the result of an election but still retain the right to comment on and/or criticise the performance of a president or prime minister in office. For example, Obama won two elections, Blair won three, it didn't stop people or the press from criticising them nor should it. You yourself have exercised your right to criticise Blair in spite of his electoral success, so why deny others the same right re: Trump?

It's called freedom of speech and it is an essential part of any healthy democracy.
Criticism {objective} is fair, as long as it is fair and is not intended to change the result of a fairly conducted democratic vote. There would be no end to it if it were successful.
Why the "revelations" after the event, not before, and why so little proof and so many insinuations and allegations? Seems more like dirty tricks than reality.
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My understanding of democracy is that winning an election doesn't place someone above criticism. One can accept the result of an election but still retain the right to comment on and/or criticise the performance of a president or prime minister in office. For example, Obama won two elections, Blair won three, it didn't stop people or the press from criticising them nor should it. You yourself have exercised your right to criticise Blair in spite of his electoral success, so why deny others the same right re: Trump?

It's called freedom of speech and it is an essential part of any healthy democracy.
Criticism {objective} is fair, as long as it is fair and is not intended to change the result of a fairly conducted democratic vote. There would be no end to it if it were successful.
Why the "revelations" after the event, not before, and why so little proof and so many insinuations and allegations? Seems more like dirty tricks than reality.
You've already said I can't change the result so by your definition my criticism is fair.

The "revelations" came after the event because that was when Trump chose to lie about attendance numbers and go back on his campaign pledge.
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He's only been in office two full days, and the record so far .......

Telling a pack of lies about the crowds at the innaugeration

Attracted the largest US demonstrations since the Vietnam War

Gone back on his promise to reveal his tax returns

It is widely thought that his tax returns will show that some years he paid absolutelly no tax what so ever, even though he is a billionaire, and that they would reveal previously unknown business dealings - and you thought he was different, he's just like all the other wealthy tax dodgers, he is part of the problem, not the remedy.
Indeed, he is exactly what he claimed to oppose, part of the wealthy elite who is out for himself.
"White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus said there was "an obsession... to de-legitimise this president. We're not going to sit around and take it."

How many of his opponents on here are joining in in trying to de- legitimise the President? How many are trying to de- legitimise Brexit?
Where does the democratic process end and mob rule begin, and which do you support. and why?

Too many opponents to both come from the left of politics, and as I have pointed out they are the ones fueling the rise of the right , the vote for Brexit, the swing to the right in Europe and the election of Trump. We have seen the claims by losers on here that the media exercises an undue influence over the democratic process, so do you now allow them to exercise an influence over the outcome of the legitimate democratic vote and system that was agreed by all before the votes take place.?
One other point. The claim is that he did not win with the popular vote, and yet the same complainers will not accept the popular majority vote for Brexit. Two faced or not, or just attempts to win by any means, or just plan political dishonesty?.
No one is trying to "de-legitimise" the US election result, even though the system is flawed, Hillary actually got more votes than Trump, but thats the system, and thats the way it is.

We are merely criticising Donald Trump and his team, we are critical of the lies which are coming from them, the falsehood that his innaugeration attracted the largest crowd ever, which it did not, and the lies that the crowds were bigger than the innaugeration ceremony of Barrack Obama, which they were not.

We are also criticising him because he has reneged on a promise to reveal his tax returns ( the smell of "Cover-Up" is in the air )

We also criticise him for the type of backwards and inward looking politics he represents, which we are allowed to do because we live in a democracy and a free country, we are criticising him for his selfish self interest, bigoted views of the world, his insults to Mexicans, Muslims, Angela Merkel, the EU and for his sickening remarks and past actions towards women.

The movement against Trump and what he represents is here, its strong, its large in numbers, and it will follow him wherever he goes, his term will be dogged by protest, he is reaping what he has sown



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"White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus said there was "an obsession... to de-legitimise this president. We're not going to sit around and take it."

How many of his opponents on here are joining in in trying to de- legitimise the President? How many are trying to de- legitimise Brexit?
Where does the democratic process end and mob rule begin, and which do you support. and why?

Too many opponents to both come from the left of politics, and as I have pointed out they are the ones fueling the rise of the right , the vote for Brexit, the swing to the right in Europe and the election of Trump. We have seen the claims by losers on here that the media exercises an undue influence over the democratic process, so do you now allow them to exercise an influence over the outcome of the legitimate democratic vote and system that was agreed by all before the votes take place.?
One other point. The claim is that he did not win with the popular vote, and yet the same complainers will not accept the popular majority vote for Brexit. Two faced or not, or just attempts to win by any means, or just plan political dishonesty?.
No one is trying to "de-legitimise" the US election result, even though the system is flawed, Hillary actually got more votes than Trump, but thats the system, and thats the way it is.

We are merely criticising Donald Trump and his team, we are critical of the lies which are coming from them, the falsehood that his innaugeration attracted the largest crowd ever, which it did not, and the lies that the crowds were bigger than the innaugeration ceremony of Barrack Obama, which they were not.

We are also criticising him because he has reneged on a promise to reveal his tax returns ( the smell of "Cover-Up" is in the air )

We also criticise him for the type of backwards and inward looking politics he represents, which we are allowed to do because we live in a democracy and a free country, we are criticising him for his selfish self interest, bigoted views of the world, his insults to Mexicans, Muslims, Angela Merkel, the EU and for his sickening remarks and past actions towards women.

The movement against Trump and what he represents is here, its strong, its large in numbers, and it will follow him wherever he goes, his term will be dogged by protest, he is reaping what he has sown



He's been president for what, 72 hours? and you are criticising his inward looking politics

Give him 6 months then revisit your questions
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I have done it time and time again.

Insinuation counts for nothing until one puts some meat on the bones. His childish use of the term Bliar without even, despite repeated requests, a list of lies, makes him a fool who needs to grow up.
lOnly one fool out of the two of us,and I'm not the one supporting Bliar
When you are able to give credit where it's due and criticisms where they are due, then you might be less of a fool.
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