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Grow up.
Don't say that....just repute what the man has said.....if you can. Seconded. It may not be the most serious case of attacking the poster instead of the message but it's exactly what it was
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"White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus said there was "an obsession... to de-legitimise this president. We're not going to sit around and take it." How many of his opponents on here are joining in in trying to de- legitimise the President? How many are trying to de- legitimise Brexit? Where does the democratic process end and mob rule begin, and which do you support. and why? Too many opponents to both come from the left of politics, and as I have pointed out they are the ones fueling the rise of the right , the vote for Brexit, the swing to the right in Europe and the election of Trump. We have seen the claims by losers on here that the media exercises an undue influence over the democratic process, so do you now allow them to exercise an influence over the outcome of the legitimate democratic vote and system that was agreed by all before the votes take place.? One other point. The claim is that he did not win with the popular vote, and yet the same complainers will not accept the popular majority vote for Brexit. Two faced or not, or just attempts to win by any means, or just plan political dishonesty?.
No one is trying to "de-legitimise" the US election result, even though the system is flawed, Hillary actually got more votes than Trump, but thats the system, and thats the way it is. We are merely criticising Donald Trump and his team, we are critical of the lies which are coming from them, the falsehood that his innaugeration attracted the largest crowd ever, which it did not, and the lies that the crowds were bigger than the innaugeration ceremony of Barrack Obama, which they were not. We are also criticising him because he has reneged on a promise to reveal his tax returns ( the smell of "Cover-Up" is in the air ) We also criticise him for the type of backwards and inward looking politics he represents, which we are allowed to do because we live in a democracy and a free country, we are criticising him for his selfish self interest, bigoted views of the world, his insults to Mexicans, Muslims, Angela Merkel, the EU and for his sickening remarks and past actions towards women. The movement against Trump and what he represents is here, its strong, its large in numbers, and it will follow him wherever he goes, his term will be dogged by protest, he is reaping what he has sown Be honest. The reason he is being criticised is because you are opposed to him and because he was elected instead of Clinton. All else follows from that. I look forward to his tenure in office because he has trodden on dainty oversensitive toes, and is making people reassess their own attitudes. I will judge him and his administration on what he does, not what he or his team say, or what people presume will happen. Between him May and Putin they are giving the political tree a good hard shaking. I hope UKIP win in Stoke for the same reasons.
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Jan 23 2017, 03:12 PM
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Grow up.
Don't say that....just repute what the man has said.....if you can. I have repeated it so often I'm little surprised you couldn't have done it for me
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Jan 23 2017, 03:13 PM
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Don't say that....just repute what the man has said.....if you can.
Seconded. It may not be the most serious case of attacking the poster instead of the message but it's exactly what it was  C-Too Point taken.
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No one is trying to "de-legitimise" the US election result, even though the system is flawed, Hillary actually got more votes than Trump, but thats the system, and thats the way it is. We are merely criticising Donald Trump and his team, we are critical of the lies which are coming from them, the falsehood that his innaugeration attracted the largest crowd ever, which it did not, and the lies that the crowds were bigger than the innaugeration ceremony of Barrack Obama, which they were not. We are also criticising him because he has reneged on a promise to reveal his tax returns ( the smell of "Cover-Up" is in the air ) We also criticise him for the type of backwards and inward looking politics he represents, which we are allowed to do because we live in a democracy and a free country, we are criticising him for his selfish self interest, bigoted views of the world, his insults to Mexicans, Muslims, Angela Merkel, the EU and for his sickening remarks and past actions towards women. The movement against Trump and what he represents is here, its strong, its large in numbers, and it will follow him wherever he goes, his term will be dogged by protest, he is reaping what he has sown
Be honest. The reason he is being criticised is because you are opposed to him and because he was elected instead of Clinton. All else follows from that. I look forward to his tenure in office because he has trodden on dainty oversensitive toes, and is making people reassess their own attitudes. I will judge him and his administration on what he does, not what he or his team say, or what people presume will happen. Between him May and Putin they are giving the political tree a good hard shaking. I hope UKIP win in Stoke for the same reasons. And the only reason you are defending him is because you are in broad political agreement with him.
Regardless of whether or not you or anyone else thinks it is justified people have the right to criticise him and inevitably will. Perhaps you would be happier if you just accepted this and focused on addressing people's arguments rather than trying to discourage them from expressing them in the first place?
Like I said, when Blair was in power you freely criticised him and nobody responded with "shut up, because democracy".
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"White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus said there was "an obsession... to de-legitimise this president. We're not going to sit around and take it." How many of his opponents on here are joining in in trying to de- legitimise the President? How many are trying to de- legitimise Brexit? Where does the democratic process end and mob rule begin, and which do you support. and why? Too many opponents to both come from the left of politics, and as I have pointed out they are the ones fueling the rise of the right , the vote for Brexit, the swing to the right in Europe and the election of Trump. We have seen the claims by losers on here that the media exercises an undue influence over the democratic process, so do you now allow them to exercise an influence over the outcome of the legitimate democratic vote and system that was agreed by all before the votes take place.? One other point. The claim is that he did not win with the popular vote, and yet the same complainers will not accept the popular majority vote for Brexit. Two faced or not, or just attempts to win by any means, or just plan political dishonesty?.
No one is trying to "de-legitimise" the US election result, even though the system is flawed, Hillary actually got more votes than Trump, but thats the system, and thats the way it is. We are merely criticising Donald Trump and his team, we are critical of the lies which are coming from them, the falsehood that his innaugeration attracted the largest crowd ever, which it did not, and the lies that the crowds were bigger than the innaugeration ceremony of Barrack Obama, which they were not. We are also criticising him because he has reneged on a promise to reveal his tax returns ( the smell of "Cover-Up" is in the air ) We also criticise him for the type of backwards and inward looking politics he represents, which we are allowed to do because we live in a democracy and a free country, we are criticising him for his selfish self interest, bigoted views of the world, his insults to Mexicans, Muslims, Angela Merkel, the EU and for his sickening remarks and past actions towards women. The movement against Trump and what he represents is here, its strong, its large in numbers, and it will follow him wherever he goes, his term will be dogged by protest, he is reaping what he has sown That's a pretty accurate assessment. It will of course fall upon deaf ears as far as the extremists are concerned.
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Don't say that....just repute what the man has said.....if you can.
It's disputable, all right! But why bother. I think it's called 'flogging a dead horse'.
Some people only believe that which they choose to believe.
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It is widely thought that his tax returns will show that some years he paid absolutelly no tax what so ever, even though he is a billionaire, and that they would reveal previously unknown business dealings - and you thought he was different, he's just like all the other wealthy tax dodgers, he is part of the problem, not the remedy.
Probably a good friend of Tony Blair and Nick Clegg then, eh?
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What... exactly.. did Trump (or his press secretary) actually claim ?
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It is widely thought that his tax returns will show that some years he paid absolutelly no tax what so ever, even though he is a billionaire, and that they would reveal previously unknown business dealings - and you thought he was different, he's just like all the other wealthy tax dodgers, he is part of the problem, not the remedy.
Probably a good friend of Tony Blair and Nick Clegg then, eh? All The Best More insinuation
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Don't say that....just repute what the man has said.....if you can.
It's disputable, all right! But why bother. I think it's called 'flogging a dead horse'. Some people only believe that which they choose to believe.
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What... exactly.. did Trump (or his press secretary) actually claim ? Well the worst part was this by him on Saturday
“This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period … These attempts to lessen the enthusiasm for the inauguration are shameful and wrong.”
which since he had just said (my emphasis):
“Inaccurate numbers involving crowd size were also tweeted. No one had numbers because the National Park Service, which controls the National Mall, does not put any out. By the way, this applies to any attempt to count the number of protesters today in the same fashion.”
Shows he's a state paid paid to be a . And the root cause is Mr Small Hands
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Don't say that....just repute what the man has said.....if you can.
I have repeated it so often I'm little surprised you couldn't have done it for me But the poster was not addressing me, he was addressing your goodself.
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I have repeated it so often I'm little surprised you couldn't have done it for me
But the poster was not addressing me, he was addressing your goodself. The probability is that you knew my position and could have answered. And that undermines your earlier post, which is what I was getting at.
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The probability is that you knew my position and could have answered. And that undermines your earlier post, which is what I was getting at.
I have made it very plain and loud and clear Ctoo, (on many an occasion) that I only speak for myself and it would be presumptuous to do otherwise. If you are too bone idle to respond yourself then that is your affair and nothing to do with me. If you reread my last post you will see that you are not responding to the gist of that post.
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Back on topic what a shabby little liar he's been shown to be again
One week: "the UK will be first to have a free trade agreement"
Yesterday he says we'll be blocked from selling steel for those pipelines
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Back on topic what a shabby little liar he's been shown to be again
One week: "the UK will be first to have a free trade agreement"
Yesterday he says we'll be blocked from selling steel for those pipelines
He has been inaugurated, and is now the President of the USA with Presidential powers. elected by the American people Do you think that your constant sniping at him is going to change anything?
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Back on topic what a shabby little liar he's been shown to be again
One week: "the UK will be first to have a free trade agreement"
Yesterday he says we'll be blocked from selling steel for those pipelines
He has been inaugurated, and is now the President of the USA with Presidential powers. elected by the American people Do you think that your constant sniping at him is going to change anything? Does it make Trumpistas (like yourself perchance?) feel a little worse? Then it's worth it

Question is why aren't you helping? You know he's a shabby would be despot, you know if everyone spoke out about it like I and others do then his position would become untenable so unless you want to appear to be in favour of shabby little would be despots I suggest at the very least you pack it in criticising those who are prepared to point them out for what they are.
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Do you think that your constant sniping at him is going to change anything?
I don't think anyone has sniped at him. (Yet.)
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Back on topic what a shabby little liar he's been shown to be again
One week: "the UK will be first to have a free trade agreement"
Yesterday he says we'll be blocked from selling steel for those pipelines
He has been inaugurated, and is now the President of the USA with Presidential powers. elected by the American people Do you think that your constant sniping at him is going to change anything? Remember we talked about that free speech thingy?
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Back on topic what a shabby little liar he's been shown to be again
One week: "the UK will be first to have a free trade agreement"
Yesterday he says we'll be blocked from selling steel for those pipelines
He has been inaugurated, and is now the President of the USA with Presidential powers. elected by the American people Do you think that your constant sniping at him is going to change anything?
Remember we talked about that free speech thingy? When does free speech become slanderous in law? Usually when it is intended to harm someone's reputation Be careful what you say about Trump or your visa might be suspended. Your next visit to Disney world may have to be in the EU , or your next visit to Florida may end in the stomach of an alligator.
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Be careful what you say about Trump or your visa might be suspended.
I would not go to America anyway. Even more so with a crazy bastard like Trump as president.
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Remember we talked about that free speech thingy?
When does free speech become slanderous in law? Usually when it is intended to harm someone's reputation Be careful what you say about Trump or your visa might be suspended. Your next visit to Disney world may have to be in the EU , or your next visit to Florida may end in the stomach of an alligator. We have laws for slander so no issue there.
You say sniping at him won't change anything, how much discussion that happens here do you think changes anything in the real world?
Talking about the weather won't change it, do you berate people for talking about the weather?
How about the performance of ones favourite football team? I mean talking about won't make one iota of difference to performances and results on the pitch, do you go on football forums and tell all the supporters to pipe down because their talk won't change anything?
I forget who said it, but I subscribe to the belief that anything that can't be questioned is by definition wrong.
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Be careful what you say about Trump or your visa might be suspended.
I would not go to America anyway. Even more so with a crazy bastard like Trump as president. We're setting up refugee camps for our Southern neighbours, right now.
Now, if we can only convince Trump to build a wall along our border ...
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We're setting up refugee camps for our Southern neighbours, right now.
Now, if we can only convince Trump to build a wall along our border ... Many a true word spoken in jest, and it isn't just Canada where they are seeking refuge:-
http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20170123-meet-the-people-leaving-trumps-america
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Be careful what you say about Trump or your visa might be suspended.
I would not go to America anyway. Even more so with a crazy bastard like Trump as president.
We're setting up refugee camps for our Southern neighbours, right now. Now, if we can only convince Trump to build a wall along our border ... And get them to pay for it.
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Do you think that your constant sniping at him is going to change anything?
I don't think anyone has sniped at him. (Yet.)  If anyone does, odds are that it will be a Republican. They are really nervous about what this wingnut might blurt out next. Free trading has been a back bone of Republican party policy for decades and Trump is tearing up treaties without doing due diligence. Half of what Trump wants to do is very right wing and the other part is quite socialist. Pence, on the other hand, is an authentic partisan Republican and a true believer in their cause. If something were to "happen" to Trump, Pence becomes President and lots of Republican party bigwigs would consider that to be an ideal outcome.
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Back on topic what a shabby little liar he's been shown to be again
One week: "the UK will be first to have a free trade agreement"
Yesterday he says we'll be blocked from selling steel for those pipelines
He has been inaugurated, and is now the President of the USA with Presidential powers. elected by the American people Do you think that your constant sniping at him is going to change anything?
Does it make Trumpistas (like yourself perchance?) feel a little worse? Then it's worth it  Question is why aren't you helping? You know he's a shabby would be despot, you know if everyone spoke out about it like I and others do then his position would become untenable so unless you want to appear to be in favour of shabby little would be despots I suggest at the very least you pack it in criticising those who are prepared to point them out for what they are. Why don't I help? Because like our posts,, it wont make a scrap of difference. To believe otherwise is IMO self delusional. Do you really think anyone in the wider world takes any notice of us on here except as a passing interest? Are you hoping to incite others to be involved in a revolution, to overthrow a government you disagree with? There is one poster on here who did put his money who his mouth is, stood for election in what he truly believed in but was unsuccessful , may even disadvantaged himself in life but failed. If he is prepared to share his thoughts on the matter it would be enlightening. If he failed with all the effort and time he put into it, what chance do you thing us minnows have of influencing anything by posting on a message board?
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Does it make Trumpistas (like yourself perchance?) feel a little worse? Then it's worth it  Question is why aren't you helping? You know he's a shabby would be despot, you know if everyone spoke out about it like I and others do then his position would become untenable so unless you want to appear to be in favour of shabby little would be despots I suggest at the very least you pack it in criticising those who are prepared to point them out for what they are.
Why don't I help? Because like our posts,, it wont make a scrap of difference. To believe otherwise is IMO self delusional. Do you really think anyone in the wider world takes any notice of us on here except as a passing interest? Are you hoping to incite others to be involved in a revolution, to overthrow a government you disagree with? There is one poster on here who did put his money who his mouth is, stood for election in what he truly believed in but was unsuccessful , may even disadvantaged himself in life but failed. If he is prepared to share his thoughts on the matter it would be enlightening. If he failed with all the effort and time he put into it, what chance do you thing us minnows have of influencing anything by posting on a message board? So what are you doing here then?
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep  Question is why aren't you helping? You know he's a shabby would be despot, you know if everyone spoke out about it like I and others do then his position would become untenable so unless you want to appear to be in favour of shabby little would be despots I suggest at the very least you pack it in criticising those who are prepared to point them out for what they are.
Why don't I help? Because like our posts,, it wont make a scrap of difference. To believe otherwise is IMO self delusional. Do you really think anyone in the wider world takes any notice of us on here except as a passing interest? Are you hoping to incite others to be involved in a revolution, to overthrow a government you disagree with? There is one poster on here who did put his money who his mouth is, stood for election in what he truly believed in but was unsuccessful , may even disadvantaged himself in life but failed. If he is prepared to share his thoughts on the matter it would be enlightening. If he failed with all the effort and time he put into it, what chance do you thing us minnows have of influencing anything by posting on a message board?
So what are you doing here then? I'm here for entertainment to exercise the mind and get an idea how others think. A break amongst friends and an interlude with my opposition Now what about you.? Can even throw your question into the arena for all to reply to if they wish. What I don't think is that I can change anything or anyone else's mind. I live with the what is.
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Note that Donald Fart has today signed an 'executive order for the building of the Mexican Wall' and that Mexico is going to pay for it!
What delusions does this idiot have? There is a lesser chance of Mexico paying for it than seeing god!
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So what are you doing here then?
I'm here for entertainment to exercise the mind and get an idea how others think. A break amongst friends and an interlude with my opposition Now what about you.? Can even throw your question into the arena for all to reply to if they wish. What I don't think is that I can change anything or anyone else's mind. I live with the what is. And I have never once claimed that I or anyone else can change anything by posting comments on here.
I'm here to enjoy a bit of debate, I suggest you give it a try instead of telling myself and others to pipe down.
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Why don't I help? Because like our posts,, it wont make a scrap of difference. To believe otherwise is IMO self delusional. Do you really think anyone in the wider world takes any notice of us on here except as a passing interest? Are you hoping to incite others to be involved in a revolution, to overthrow a government you disagree with? There is one poster on here who did put his money who his mouth is, stood for election in what he truly believed in but was unsuccessful , may even disadvantaged himself in life but failed. If he is prepared to share his thoughts on the matter it would be enlightening. If he failed with all the effort and time he put into it, what chance do you thing us minnows have of influencing anything by posting on a message board?
So what are you doing here then? Clearly he's missing the point, looks like deliberately
He knows full well that if everyone used their internet presence (forums, Facebook, whatever) to describe this would be despot for what he is then Trump's position would be untenable.
Tyto says he won't condemn him because "it won't make a difference". Very hard not to conclude that actually what Tyto wants is it not to make a difference
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[ The Trump proclamation that everybody missed
Gregory Korte - USA Today
Buried under a stack of presidential paperwork President Trump signed shortly after his inauguration was his first official proclamation, declaring last Friday a "National Day of Patriotic Devotion." But by the time anyone found out about it, it was already over. Trump proclaimed the day to honor his own inauguration, proclaiming a "new national pride" that would "strengthen our bonds to each other and to our country." But the White House never released the proclamation until it arrived Monday at the Office of the Federal Register, where it was scheduled to be published Tuesday. The proclamation continues a tradition that began with President George H.W. Bush in 1989 and followed by every president since. The one-page proclamations read like mini-inaugural addresses, and can set a rhetorical tone for the entire presidency.
And Trump's tone is distinctly different from his predecessors, said Brandon Rottinghaus, a University of Houston professor who studies presidential proclamations. Trump's proclamation "is missing the personal humility" seen in the previous proclamations, he said. Instead, it strikes a more nationalistic note. "A new national pride stirs the American soul and inspires the American heart. We are one people, united by a common destiny and a shared purpose," Trump's proclamation said. "There are no greater people than the American citizenry, and as long as we believe in ourselves, and our country, there is nothing we cannot accomplish." Trump's "National Day of Patriotic Devotion" is the first inaugural proclamation that doesn't explicitly invoke God — although it speaks of "sacred values" and prayers for peace — or quote previous great Americans like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King, Jr. Bush, for example, proclaimed a "National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving" in his 1989 inaugural proclamation. "I am humbled before God and seek his counsel and favor on our land," he said. "These proclamations trend towards humble and gracious language as new presidents struggle with the enormity of the task in front of them," Rottinghaus said. "There is an awestruck tone to most of these first proclamations as incoming presidents acknowledge they are fallible and burdened with a great responsibility." For Bill Clinton, the proclamations declared a "National Day of Fellowship and Hope" in 1993, and a "National Day of Hope and Renewal" in 1997. George W. Bush returned to his father's "National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving" in 2001. And for President Obama, the days were known as the "National Day of Reconciliation and Renewal" in 2009 and the "National Day of Hope and Resolve" in 2013.
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer"
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[ The Trump proclamation that everybody missed
Gregory Korte - USA Today
Buried under a stack of presidential paperwork President Trump signed shortly after his inauguration was his first official proclamation, declaring last Friday a "National Day of Patriotic Devotion." But by the time anyone found out about it, it was already over. Trump proclaimed the day to honor his own inauguration, proclaiming a "new national pride" that would "strengthen our bonds to each other and to our country." But the White House never released the proclamation until it arrived Monday at the Office of the Federal Register, where it was scheduled to be published Tuesday. The proclamation continues a tradition that began with President George H.W. Bush in 1989 and followed by every president since. The one-page proclamations read like mini-inaugural addresses, and can set a rhetorical tone for the entire presidency.
And Trump's tone is distinctly different from his predecessors, said Brandon Rottinghaus, a University of Houston professor who studies presidential proclamations. Trump's proclamation "is missing the personal humility" seen in the previous proclamations, he said. Instead, it strikes a more nationalistic note. "A new national pride stirs the American soul and inspires the American heart. We are one people, united by a common destiny and a shared purpose," Trump's proclamation said. "There are no greater people than the American citizenry, and as long as we believe in ourselves, and our country, there is nothing we cannot accomplish." Trump's "National Day of Patriotic Devotion" is the first inaugural proclamation that doesn't explicitly invoke God — although it speaks of "sacred values" and prayers for peace — or quote previous great Americans like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King, Jr. Bush, for example, proclaimed a "National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving" in his 1989 inaugural proclamation. "I am humbled before God and seek his counsel and favor on our land," he said. "These proclamations trend towards humble and gracious language as new presidents struggle with the enormity of the task in front of them," Rottinghaus said. "There is an awestruck tone to most of these first proclamations as incoming presidents acknowledge they are fallible and burdened with a great responsibility." For Bill Clinton, the proclamations declared a "National Day of Fellowship and Hope" in 1993, and a "National Day of Hope and Renewal" in 1997. George W. Bush returned to his father's "National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving" in 2001. And for President Obama, the days were known as the "National Day of Reconciliation and Renewal" in 2009 and the "National Day of Hope and Resolve" in 2013.
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer"
At least he didn't dress it up with BS
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[ The Trump proclamation that everybody missed
Gregory Korte - USA Today
Buried under a stack of presidential paperwork President Trump signed shortly after his inauguration was his first official proclamation, declaring last Friday a "National Day of Patriotic Devotion." But by the time anyone found out about it, it was already over. Trump proclaimed the day to honor his own inauguration, proclaiming a "new national pride" that would "strengthen our bonds to each other and to our country." But the White House never released the proclamation until it arrived Monday at the Office of the Federal Register, where it was scheduled to be published Tuesday. The proclamation continues a tradition that began with President George H.W. Bush in 1989 and followed by every president since. The one-page proclamations read like mini-inaugural addresses, and can set a rhetorical tone for the entire presidency.
And Trump's tone is distinctly different from his predecessors, said Brandon Rottinghaus, a University of Houston professor who studies presidential proclamations. Trump's proclamation "is missing the personal humility" seen in the previous proclamations, he said. Instead, it strikes a more nationalistic note. "A new national pride stirs the American soul and inspires the American heart. We are one people, united by a common destiny and a shared purpose," Trump's proclamation said. "There are no greater people than the American citizenry, and as long as we believe in ourselves, and our country, there is nothing we cannot accomplish." Trump's "National Day of Patriotic Devotion" is the first inaugural proclamation that doesn't explicitly invoke God — although it speaks of "sacred values" and prayers for peace — or quote previous great Americans like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King, Jr. Bush, for example, proclaimed a "National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving" in his 1989 inaugural proclamation. "I am humbled before God and seek his counsel and favor on our land," he said. "These proclamations trend towards humble and gracious language as new presidents struggle with the enormity of the task in front of them," Rottinghaus said. "There is an awestruck tone to most of these first proclamations as incoming presidents acknowledge they are fallible and burdened with a great responsibility." For Bill Clinton, the proclamations declared a "National Day of Fellowship and Hope" in 1993, and a "National Day of Hope and Renewal" in 1997. George W. Bush returned to his father's "National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving" in 2001. And for President Obama, the days were known as the "National Day of Reconciliation and Renewal" in 2009 and the "National Day of Hope and Resolve" in 2013.
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer"
At least he didn't dress it up with BS Which one? Trump or Hitler?
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Because like our posts,, it wont make a scrap of difference. To believe otherwise is IMO self delusional. Do you really think anyone in the wider world takes any notice of us on here except as a passing interest? Are you hoping to incite others to be involved in a revolution, to overthrow a government you disagree with? I'd better remind you again that the other day you took offence to an article on the BBC, whilst most of us on here would shrug off the various things said in the press or on the news that we don't agree with, you didn't think this was enough
You gave us a phone number so we could complain anonymously about the BBC.
Your version of a sneaky revolution because you disagreed with something?
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[ The Trump proclamation that everybody missed
Gregory Korte - USA Today
Buried under a stack of presidential paperwork President Trump signed shortly after his inauguration was his first official proclamation, declaring last Friday a "National Day of Patriotic Devotion." But by the time anyone found out about it, it was already over. Trump proclaimed the day to honor his own inauguration, proclaiming a "new national pride" that would "strengthen our bonds to each other and to our country." But the White House never released the proclamation until it arrived Monday at the Office of the Federal Register, where it was scheduled to be published Tuesday. The proclamation continues a tradition that began with President George H.W. Bush in 1989 and followed by every president since. The one-page proclamations read like mini-inaugural addresses, and can set a rhetorical tone for the entire presidency.
And Trump's tone is distinctly different from his predecessors, said Brandon Rottinghaus, a University of Houston professor who studies presidential proclamations. Trump's proclamation "is missing the personal humility" seen in the previous proclamations, he said. Instead, it strikes a more nationalistic note. "A new national pride stirs the American soul and inspires the American heart. We are one people, united by a common destiny and a shared purpose," Trump's proclamation said. "There are no greater people than the American citizenry, and as long as we believe in ourselves, and our country, there is nothing we cannot accomplish." Trump's "National Day of Patriotic Devotion" is the first inaugural proclamation that doesn't explicitly invoke God — although it speaks of "sacred values" and prayers for peace — or quote previous great Americans like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King, Jr. Bush, for example, proclaimed a "National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving" in his 1989 inaugural proclamation. "I am humbled before God and seek his counsel and favor on our land," he said. "These proclamations trend towards humble and gracious language as new presidents struggle with the enormity of the task in front of them," Rottinghaus said. "There is an awestruck tone to most of these first proclamations as incoming presidents acknowledge they are fallible and burdened with a great responsibility." For Bill Clinton, the proclamations declared a "National Day of Fellowship and Hope" in 1993, and a "National Day of Hope and Renewal" in 1997. George W. Bush returned to his father's "National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving" in 2001. And for President Obama, the days were known as the "National Day of Reconciliation and Renewal" in 2009 and the "National Day of Hope and Resolve" in 2013.
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer"
At least he didn't dress it up with BS
Which one? Trump or Hitler? Trump. Hitler is dead and irrelevant.
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Be careful what you say about Trump or your visa might be suspended.
I would not go to America anyway. Even more so with a crazy bastard like Trump as president. We'd set up what would have been an expensive holiday to the USA for August mainly to see the eclipse but made sure nothing was committed before the election. All plans binned now due to a mix of not wanting to put money his way and not expecting to find anything other than a poisonous atmosphere
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Which one? Trump or Hitler?
Trump. Hitler is dead and irrelevant. you sure, maybe he's just shaved off the moustache and got himself a blond combover
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