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Note that Donald Fart has today signed an 'executive order for the building of the Mexican Wall' and that Mexico is going to pay for it!
What delusions does this idiot have? There is a lesser chance of Mexico paying for it than seeing god! But he is building the wall. Do you remember those that said it wouldn't happen?
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Note that Donald Fart has today signed an 'executive order for the building of the Mexican Wall' and that Mexico is going to pay for it!
What delusions does this idiot have? There is a lesser chance of Mexico paying for it than seeing god!
But he is building the wall. Do you remember those that said it wouldn't happen? Yup. The madman keeps his word.
Be very afraid.
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I'm here for entertainment to exercise the mind and get an idea how others think. A break amongst friends and an interlude with my opposition Now what about you.? Can even throw your question into the arena for all to reply to if they wish. What I don't think is that I can change anything or anyone else's mind. I live with the what is.
And I have never once claimed that I or anyone else can change anything by posting comments on here. I'm here to enjoy a bit of debate, I suggest you give it a try instead of telling myself and others to pipe down. Nowhere have I said that others should pipe down and there is no means of making them do so. What I do say is that IMO gratuitous personal insult and abuse is not debate, and the expression of it is pointless and just hot air.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep[ The Trump proclamation that everybody missed Gregory Korte - USA Today Buried under a stack of presidential paperwork President Trump signed shortly after his inauguration was his first official proclamation, declaring last Friday a "National Day of Patriotic Devotion." But by the time anyone found out about it, it was already over. Trump proclaimed the day to honor his own inauguration, proclaiming a "new national pride" that would "strengthen our bonds to each other and to our country." But the White House never released the proclamation until it arrived Monday at the Office of the Federal Register, where it was scheduled to be published Tuesday. The proclamation continues a tradition that began with President George H.W. Bush in 1989 and followed by every president since. The one-page proclamations read like mini-inaugural addresses, and can set a rhetorical tone for the entire presidency.
And Trump's tone is distinctly different from his predecessors, said Brandon Rottinghaus, a University of Houston professor who studies presidential proclamations. Trump's proclamation "is missing the personal humility" seen in the previous proclamations, he said. Instead, it strikes a more nationalistic note. "A new national pride stirs the American soul and inspires the American heart. We are one people, united by a common destiny and a shared purpose," Trump's proclamation said. "There are no greater people than the American citizenry, and as long as we believe in ourselves, and our country, there is nothing we cannot accomplish." Trump's "National Day of Patriotic Devotion" is the first inaugural proclamation that doesn't explicitly invoke God — although it speaks of "sacred values" and prayers for peace — or quote previous great Americans like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King, Jr. Bush, for example, proclaimed a "National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving" in his 1989 inaugural proclamation. "I am humbled before God and seek his counsel and favor on our land," he said. "These proclamations trend towards humble and gracious language as new presidents struggle with the enormity of the task in front of them," Rottinghaus said. "There is an awestruck tone to most of these first proclamations as incoming presidents acknowledge they are fallible and burdened with a great responsibility." For Bill Clinton, the proclamations declared a "National Day of Fellowship and Hope" in 1993, and a "National Day of Hope and Renewal" in 1997. George W. Bush returned to his father's "National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving" in 2001. And for President Obama, the days were known as the "National Day of Reconciliation and Renewal" in 2009 and the "National Day of Hope and Resolve" in 2013.
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer"
Which one? Trump or Hitler?
Trump. Hitler is dead and irrelevant. History is not irrelevant.
Beware of what right-wingers bring to the table.
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Jan 26 2017, 10:16 AM
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Trump. Hitler is dead and irrelevant.
History is not irrelevant. Beware of what right-wingers bring to the table. Were Stalin and Moa tse tung or Pol Pot right wingers? Both right wing and left wing as well as those on the centre ground of politics have a history of good and evil. We pick the ones that suit our own POV. Sensible politics look at all options and choses the best for the need of the time. Of course sometimes there is no best option to chose from , just the best of the bad options available.
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This morning I have posted a message on my guest house website "Americans Not Welcome", and I have noted that there is a campaign group / page on Facebook to encourage more businesses in the UK to do the same.
Meanwhile .......
With Donald Trump now saying "its ok to torture", this is obviously a green light to every extremist and terrorist group in the world to physically abuse and torture westeners, because the west no longer sets the moral example, no longer abides by any moral code or follows international rules or guidelines - we do it, so you can do it.
The next time an unconvicted and innocent person is physically abused by the Americans, it will increase the chances, increase the risk of attacks upon the United States, and they will have brought it upon themselves, Donald Trump is a mad man.
Hang on. Isn't that Racist, discriminatory something you claim to object to, and against the law? You will be saying no Blacks Gays or Muslims English or Welsh next . We all know that your willing to break the law as said in a pervious post on the poll tax but are you wise to broadcast the fact? Are you a member of militant tendency for they were the leading lights in generating the riots and the civil disobedience that led to so many arrests? If it is illegal should you be posting it on this message board or any board for that matter.
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This morning I have posted a message on my guest house website "Americans Not Welcome", and I have noted that there is a campaign group / page on Facebook to encourage more businesses in the UK to do the same.
Meanwhile .......
With Donald Trump now saying "its ok to torture", this is obviously a green light to every extremist and terrorist group in the world to physically abuse and torture westeners, because the west no longer sets the moral example, no longer abides by any moral code or follows international rules or guidelines - we do it, so you can do it.
The next time an unconvicted and innocent person is physically abused by the Americans, it will increase the chances, increase the risk of attacks upon the United States, and they will have brought it upon themselves, Donald Trump is a mad man.
Hang on. Isn't that Racist, discriminatory something you claim to object to, and against the law? . . . Certainly looks like it, certainly not the moral high ground and very sus to this forum's rules to advocate it.
Going to ponder the latter point over a coffee
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This morning I have posted a message on my guest house website "Americans Not Welcome", and I have noted that there is a campaign group / page on Facebook to encourage more businesses in the UK to do the same.
Meanwhile .......
With Donald Trump now saying "its ok to torture", this is obviously a green light to every extremist and terrorist group in the world to physically abuse and torture westeners, because the west no longer sets the moral example, no longer abides by any moral code or follows international rules or guidelines - we do it, so you can do it.
The next time an unconvicted and innocent person is physically abused by the Americans, it will increase the chances, increase the risk of attacks upon the United States, and they will have brought it upon themselves, Donald Trump is a mad man.
Hang on. Isn't that Racist, discriminatory something you claim to object to, and against the law? . . .
Certainly looks like it, certainly not the moral high ground and very sus to this forum's rules to advocate it. Going to ponder the latter point over a coffee Agreed, it's not only immoral but logically incoherent, most Americans didn't vote for Trump.
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Certainly looks like it, certainly not the moral high ground and very sus to this forum's rules to advocate it. Going to ponder the latter point over a coffee
Agreed, it's not only immoral but logically incoherent, most Americans didn't vote for Trump. The newest fiction that Trump has created to legitimize his Presidency is that, according to him alone, five million votes were illegal. There is no evidence for this at all, but Trump is going to investigate it thoroughlly, anyway. That gives him lots of scope to insert alternative facts at various stages that may not prove cheating but that will certainly undermine the legitimacy of any and all electoral processes.
I just watched his Press Secretary at he daily "real news" release saying that it has to be looked into and corrective measures have to be taken to prevent all of the alleged cheating from happening, again. What measures might those be? If the whole concept of elections is so suspect, start with suspending elections? That could be Trump's version of burning down the Reichstag.
He's bananas.
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Agreed, it's not only immoral but logically incoherent, most Americans didn't vote for Trump.
The newest fiction that Trump has created to legitimize his Presidency is that, according to him alone, five million votes were illegal. There is no evidence for this at all, but Trump is going to investigate it thoroughlly, anyway. That gives him lots of scope to insert alternative facts at various stages that may not prove cheating but that will certainly undermine the legitimacy of any and all electoral processes. I just watched his Press Secretary at he daily "real news" release saying that it has to be looked into and corrective measures have to be taken to prevent all of the alleged cheating from happening, again. What measures might those be? If the whole concept of elections is so suspect, start with suspending elections? That could be Trump's version of burning down the Reichstag. He's bananas. Anything goes. And how strange that he won't look at the measure Republican states use to make sure poorer areas don't get to vote in numbers. They block registration, they make access to polling stations difficult and then they make sure poorer area would be voters have to take an unpaid day off work to vote because of the voting hours and very long queues
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What... exactly.. did Trump (or his press secretary) actually claim ?
Well the worst part was this by him on Saturday “This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period … These attempts to lessen the enthusiasm for the inauguration are shameful and wrong.”which since he had just said (my emphasis): “Inaccurate numbers involving crowd size were also tweeted. No one had numbers because the National Park Service, which controls the National Mall, does not put any out. By the way, this applies to any attempt to count the number of protesters today in the same fashion.”Shows he's a state paid  paid to be a  . And the root cause is Mr Small Hands Well, to be fair, I believe the comment about "largest audience to ever witness...." related to the worldwide TV audience rather than the crowds outside the Capitol Building. Mind you, that begs the same question... on what basis was that claim made ?
As to the later comment about a free trade agreement, but blocking non-US companies for providing the steel for the pipelines, the two statements are not necessarily mutually exclusive. An FTA does not automatically imply full access to ALL sectors.
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What... exactly.. did Trump (or his press secretary) actually claim ?
Well the worst part was this by him on Saturday “This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period … These attempts to lessen the enthusiasm for the inauguration are shameful and wrong.”which since he had just said (my emphasis): “Inaccurate numbers involving crowd size were also tweeted. No one had numbers because the National Park Service, which controls the National Mall, does not put any out. By the way, this applies to any attempt to count the number of protesters today in the same fashion.”Shows he's a state paid  paid to be a  . And the root cause is Mr Small Hands
Well, to be fair, I believe the comment about "largest audience to ever witness...." related to the worldwide TV audience rather than the crowds outside the Capitol Building. Mind you, that begs the same question... on what basis was that claim made ? Link please to back that supposed belief of Spicer
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As to the later comment about a free trade agreement, but blocking non-US companies for providing the steel for the pipelines, the two statements are not necessarily mutually exclusive. An FTA does not automatically imply full access to ALL sectors.
So apart from pipelines, ship building, wall building, agricultural products etc etc is there a complete list of sectors Trump intends to exclude from his faux free trade deal with the UK?
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History is not irrelevant. Beware of what right-wingers bring to the table.
Were Stalin and Moa tse tung or Pol Pot right wingers? Both right wing and left wing as well as those on the centre ground of politics have a history of good and evil. We pick the ones that suit our own POV. Sensible politics look at all options and choses the best for the need of the time. Of course sometimes there is no best option to chose from , just the best of the bad options available. I don't see a threat from left-wingers, but right-wingers are a possible threat that is becoming more prominent at the present time. So I suggest you look at the reality instead of yet again trying to avoid it.
I am critical of Corbyn's dive to the left, and of his contrived, often unnatural, Labour party membership.
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This morning I have posted a message on my guest house website "Americans Not Welcome", and I have noted that there is a campaign group / page on Facebook to encourage more businesses in the UK to do the same.
Meanwhile .......
With Donald Trump now saying "its ok to torture", this is obviously a green light to every extremist and terrorist group in the world to physically abuse and torture westeners, because the west no longer sets the moral example, no longer abides by any moral code or follows international rules or guidelines - we do it, so you can do it.
The next time an unconvicted and innocent person is physically abused by the Americans, it will increase the chances, increase the risk of attacks upon the United States, and they will have brought it upon themselves, Donald Trump is a mad man.
Hang on. Isn't that Racist, discriminatory something you claim to object to, and against the law? You will be saying no Blacks Gays or Muslims English or Welsh next . We all know that your willing to break the law as said in a pervious post on the poll tax but are you wise to broadcast the fact? Are you a member of militant tendency for they were the leading lights in generating the riots and the civil disobedience that led to so many arrests? If it is illegal should you be posting it on this message board or any board for that matter. No it is not racist, it is simply a very tiny protest in retaliation at Trump and his narrow minded, bigoted policies, and in particular his decision to ban entry to the United States of people of certain nationalities, all of which are Muslim countries including Iraq, a nation which hosts American bases of vital strategic importance.
Perhaps the Iraqi government may tell the Americans to "get out" and then build a wall
Its also a very small way of hitting back at the sheer arrogance of Trumps administration, villifying people of certain races, nationalities or faiths, and I am absolutelly convinced that the backlash against Trump and America has not yet even begun.
I wonder if Ladbrokes are taking bets on where the bullet will eventually come from ?, a Muslim, a rape victim or black person, personally I would put money on it been a Mexican.
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There's no doubt under UK law, it is racist to say "Americans Not Welcome", the only question is how seriously it is racist.
Anyway it's been referred to the owner and staff for discussion and in the meantime the original post is hidden. To be clear no sanctions contemplated just a line on what can be posted.
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. .Meanwhile .......
With Donald Trump now saying "its ok to torture", this is obviously a green light to every extremist and terrorist group in the world to physically abuse and torture westeners, because the west no longer sets the moral example, no longer abides by any moral code or follows international rules or guidelines - we do it, so you can do it.
The next time an unconvicted and innocent person is physically abused by the Americans, it will increase the chances, increase the risk of attacks upon the United States, and they will have brought it upon themselves, Donald Trump is a mad man.
To be fair he has not said as president that "it is OK to torture" in fact he specifically said the USA had to stick the law just that he personally had no issue with certain types of torture.
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Shows he's a state paid  paid to be a  . And the root cause is Mr Small Hands Well, to be fair, I believe the comment about "largest audience to ever witness...." related to the worldwide TV audience rather than the crowds outside the Capitol Building. Mind you, that begs the same question... on what basis was that claim made ? I also would like to ask how is it that the media is able to report even approximately how many people watched the effort on TV?
Are there spies in every TV?
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. . Are there spies in every TV? . . Not every but spies in the TV is exactly what Nielsen use to establish viewing ratings
They say 31 million TV viewers in the US less than Obama inauguration but less than for his repeat term
http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/news/2017/nearly-31-million-americans-watch-president-donald-trumps-inauguration.html
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I am critical of Corbyn's dive to the left, and of his contrived, often unnatural, Labour party membership.
How contrived? He's always been 'old Labour'. Think Tony Benn and you will understand JC.
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Back on the topic of Trump seems he's going to invoke Article 2205 of the NAFTA agreement so he can levy taxes on Mexican imports. Nasty times
(No I didn't know about Article 2205 either)
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A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties.
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Back on the topic of Trump seems he's going to invoke Article 2205 of the NAFTA agreement so he can levy taxes on Mexican imports. Nasty times (No I didn't know about Article 2205 either) - NAFTA agreement
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A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties. http://www.sice.oas.org/trade/nafta/chap-22.asp May has allied herself to a fucking madman!
Trump seems determined to bully anyone who does not give into him, a few nasty surprises ahead methinks!
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Just heard on the World Service that all the staff at the State Department have quit rather than serve under a Trump Presidency!
He'll have no one left to order around soon.
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Note that Donald Fart has today signed an 'executive order for the building of the Mexican Wall' and that Mexico is going to pay for it!
What delusions does this idiot have? There is a lesser chance of Mexico paying for it than seeing god!
But he is building the wall. Do you remember those that said it wouldn't happen? I remember all the claims Trump's detractors made and they were all wrong.
Trump wouldn't put himself forward as a candidate for president. He did.
Trump wouldn't surpass 15% support in the Republican primaries. He did.
Trump wouldn't win the Republican primaries and become the Republican nominee for president. He did.
Trump was finished after he said women should be punished for having an abortion. He wasn't.
Trump was finished after he was secretly recorded saying that you can grab some women by the pussy. He wasn't.
Trump was finished after multiple women came forward alleging sexual assault. He wasn't.
Trump was finished after he attacked the parents of a fallen US soldier who had criticised him at the Democratic National Convention. He wasn't.
Trump was finished after the presidential candidate debates against Hillary. He wasn't.
Trump wouldn't win the US presidential election. He did.
Trump wouldn't scrap TPP. He did.
Trump wouldn't build the wall. He is.
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Note that Donald Fart has today signed an 'executive order for the building of the Mexican Wall' and that Mexico is going to pay for it!
What delusions does this idiot have? There is a lesser chance of Mexico paying for it than seeing god!
But he is building the wall. Do you remember those that said it wouldn't happen?
I remember all the claims Trump's detractors made and they were all wrong. Trump wouldn't put himself forward as a candidate for president. He did. Trump wouldn't surpass 15% support in the Republican primaries. He did. Trump wouldn't win the Republican primaries and become the Republican nominee for president. He did. Trump was finished after he said women should be punished for having an abortion. He wasn't. Trump was finished after he was secretly recorded saying that you can grab some women by the pussy. He wasn't. Trump was finished after multiple women came forward alleging sexual assault. He wasn't. Trump was finished after he attacked the parents of a fallen US soldier who had criticised him at the Democratic National Convention. He wasn't. Trump was finished after the presidential candidate debates against Hillary. He wasn't. Trump wouldn't win the US presidential election. He did. Trump wouldn't scrap TPP. He did. Trump wouldn't build the wall. He is. Not a word about Trump v China yet! Unbelievable!
And in other news Republican politicians are openly discussing Trump's mental state, from here it looks like the power has gone to his head.
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Be careful what you say about Trump or your visa might be suspended.
I would not go to America anyway. Even more so with a crazy bastard like Trump as president.
We'd set up what would have been an expensive holiday to the USA for August mainly to see the eclipse but made sure nothing was committed before the election. All plans binned now due to a mix of not wanting to put money his way and not expecting to find anything other than a poisonous atmosphere What an odd excuse not to see the most spectacular natural event anyone can see - a total
Cutting off your nose to spite your face ?
I'm booked and going (no 12)
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I am critical of Corbyn's dive to the left, and of his contrived, often unnatural, Labour party membership.
How contrived? He's always been 'old Labour'. Think Tony Benn and you will understand JC. I recognised Benn as being trapped in pre-WWII politics.
Because of the awfulness of that pre-war period left-wing politics were entirely understandable. But the country has moved on since then while IMO Benn and Corbyn have not.
"Contrived" ? At a time when Labour were in turmoil Corbyn made a successful move to take over Labour by inviting his 'Stop the War' people who he helped to organise in the first place, to join the Labour party. For as long as they and their ilk are the majority Corbyn is likely to be leader and Labour will be a left wing party. I am a Labour voter, but I will not vote left-wing labour just as I could vote for right-wing Conservative. Left-wing Labour is naïve, right-wing Conservatism is callous.
IMO the Stop the War Brigade are probably in the main nice people, but they are naïve dreamers who seem to either think they live in a nice world, or that they can make the world nice. That's why I christened them 'The Magic Wand Brigade'.
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Note that Donald Fart has today signed an 'executive order for the building of the Mexican Wall' and that Mexico is going to pay for it! What delusions does this idiot have? There is a lesser chance of Mexico paying for it than seeing god!
But he is building the wall. Do you remember those that said it wouldn't happen?
I remember all the claims Trump's detractors made and they were all wrong. Trump wouldn't put himself forward as a candidate for president. He did. Trump wouldn't surpass 15% support in the Republican primaries. He did. Trump wouldn't win the Republican primaries and become the Republican nominee for president. He did. Trump was finished after he said women should be punished for having an abortion. He wasn't. Trump was finished after he was secretly recorded saying that you can grab some women by the pussy. He wasn't. Trump was finished after multiple women came forward alleging sexual assault. He wasn't. Trump was finished after he attacked the parents of a fallen US soldier who had criticised him at the Democratic National Convention. He wasn't. Trump was finished after the presidential candidate debates against Hillary. He wasn't. Trump wouldn't win the US presidential election. He did. Trump wouldn't scrap TPP. He did. Trump wouldn't build the wall. He is. ----"There's nowt so queer as folk"----
I remember that insane lunatic Adolf Hitler almost being directly elected to power by the German people.
I remember this country repeatedly voting for the continuation of the callousness of Thatcher, and then to repeatedly vote for the 17 years of high/mass unemployment.
I don't recall any comparable demonstrations against the election of any other American president in the last sixty years. Perhaps those who defend Trump are actually missing something ?
(I believe Trump's original name was Drumpf of Germanic origin).
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Note that Donald Fart has today signed an 'executive order for the building of the Mexican Wall' and that Mexico is going to pay for it!
What delusions does this idiot have? There is a lesser chance of Mexico paying for it than seeing god!
But he is building the wall. Do you remember those that said it wouldn't happen?
I remember all the claims Trump's detractors made and they were all wrong. Trump wouldn't put himself forward as a candidate for president. He did. Trump wouldn't surpass 15% support in the Republican primaries. He did. Trump wouldn't win the Republican primaries and become the Republican nominee for president. He did. Trump was finished after he said women should be punished for having an abortion. He wasn't. Trump was finished after he was secretly recorded saying that you can grab some women by the pussy. He wasn't. Trump was finished after multiple women came forward alleging sexual assault. He wasn't. Trump was finished after he attacked the parents of a fallen US soldier who had criticised him at the Democratic National Convention. He wasn't. Trump was finished after the presidential candidate debates against Hillary. He wasn't. Trump wouldn't win the US presidential election. He did. Trump wouldn't scrap TPP. He did. Trump wouldn't build the wall. He is. Trump would release his tax returns - he didn't.
Trump claimed he had a bigger audience than Obama at his inauguration - he didn't.
Trump said the presidential election was rigged against him - it wasn't.
Trump said he would ban all Muslims from entering the U.S.- he didn't.
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I remember all the claims Trump's detractors made and they were all wrong. Trump wouldn't put himself forward as a candidate for president. He did. Trump wouldn't surpass 15% support in the Republican primaries. He did. Trump wouldn't win the Republican primaries and become the Republican nominee for president. He did. Trump was finished after he said women should be punished for having an abortion. He wasn't. Trump was finished after he was secretly recorded saying that you can grab some women by the pussy. He wasn't. Trump was finished after multiple women came forward alleging sexual assault. He wasn't. Trump was finished after he attacked the parents of a fallen US soldier who had criticised him at the Democratic National Convention. He wasn't. Trump was finished after the presidential candidate debates against Hillary. He wasn't. Trump wouldn't win the US presidential election. He did. Trump wouldn't scrap TPP. He did. Trump wouldn't build the wall. He is. ----"There's nowt so queer as folk"----I remember that insane lunatic Adolf Hitler almost being directly elected to power by the German people. I remember this country repeatedly voting for the continuation of the callousness of Thatcher, and then to repeatedly vote for the 17 years of high/mass unemployment. I don't recall any comparable demonstrations against the election of any other American president in the last sixty years. Perhaps those who defend Trump are actually missing something ? (I believe Trump's original name was Drumpf of Germanic origin). Perhaps those demonising him are missing something as well, or perhaps they are just overblowing their speculations and personal fears, or perhaps it is their own unrealistic perfect world dreams being overtaken by events. As the Anti Trump lobby has been spectacularly wrong from the beginning, as Cymru so clearly points put, don't you think it is time for them to become just spectators, and wait and see what he actually does, and then comment on them? For those interested the American stock market has rocketed to its highest level ever on the expectation Trump is going to make America richer. Its a vote of confidence in him and his actions.
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----"There's nowt so queer as folk"----I remember that insane lunatic Adolf Hitler almost being directly elected to power by the German people. I remember this country repeatedly voting for the continuation of the callousness of Thatcher, and then to repeatedly vote for the 17 years of high/mass unemployment. I don't recall any comparable demonstrations against the election of any other American president in the last sixty years. Perhaps those who defend Trump are actually missing something ? (I believe Trump's original name was Drumpf of Germanic origin).
Perhaps those demonising him are missing something as well, or perhaps they are just overblowing their speculations and personal fears, or perhaps it is their own unrealistic perfect world dreams being overtaken by events. As the Anti Trump lobby has been spectacularly wrong from the beginning, as Cymru so clearly points put, don't you think it is time for them to become just spectators, and wait and see what he actually does, and then comment on them? For those interested the American stock market has rocketed to its highest level ever on the expectation Trump is going to make America richer. Its a vote of confidence in him and his actions. None of which alters the point made in my post. Your post is nothing more than a desperate attempt to cancel out the reality.
My post was based upon immediate and unique anti-president demonstrations. Not accepting that reality puts a great big question mark against your post.
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As the Anti Trump lobby has been spectacularly wrong from the beginning, as Cymru so clearly points put, . . . No, we've had the key parts 100% right
He is a nasty, misogynistic, manipulating, rule breaking, lying, piece of scum that any right thinking person would be ashamed of supporting
What we got wrong was not what he was but we gave the USA public too much credit.
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As the Anti Trump lobby has been spectacularly wrong from the beginning, as Cymru so clearly points put, . . .
No, we've had the key parts 100% right He is a nasty, misogynistic, manipulating, rule breaking, lying, piece of scum that any right thinking person would be ashamed of supporting What we got wrong was not what he was but we gave the USA public too much credit. Yesterday he was DEMANDING respect from Mexico, after the Mexican President cancelled his meeting with Trump. He told them that he was going to wall them out, that they were going to come up with the $16 billion to do so and how can you negotiate with such ungrateful people who don't respect the USA?
This is not Presidential behaviour. It does bring to mind all of the outrages and justices that Poland did to Germany, according to Hitler, who also DEMANDED that Poland respect the Third Reich.
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I remember all the claims Trump's detractors made and they were all wrong. Trump wouldn't put himself forward as a candidate for president. He did. Trump wouldn't surpass 15% support in the Republican primaries. He did. Trump wouldn't win the Republican primaries and become the Republican nominee for president. He did. Trump was finished after he said women should be punished for having an abortion. He wasn't. Trump was finished after he was secretly recorded saying that you can grab some women by the pussy. He wasn't. Trump was finished after multiple women came forward alleging sexual assault. He wasn't. Trump was finished after he attacked the parents of a fallen US soldier who had criticised him at the Democratic National Convention. He wasn't. Trump was finished after the presidential candidate debates against Hillary. He wasn't. Trump wouldn't win the US presidential election. He did. Trump wouldn't scrap TPP. He did. Trump wouldn't build the wall. He is. ----"There's nowt so queer as folk"----I remember that insane lunatic Adolf Hitler almost being directly elected to power by the German people. ... and if there had been the sort of "push back" against Adolph Hitler as you are witnessing now against Trump, tens of millions of people would not have suffered hideous deaths.This guy is so wrong on so many levels that one has a moral obligation to fight against him.
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----"There's nowt so queer as folk"----I remember that insane lunatic Adolf Hitler almost being directly elected to power by the German people.
... and if there had been the sort of "push back" against Adolph Hitler as you are witnessing now against Trump, tens of millions of people would not have suffered hideous deaths.This guy is so wrong on so many levels that one has a moral obligation to fight against him. If he remains true to form one can only hope he destroys himself quite quickly.
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I am a Labour voter, but I will not vote left-wing labour just as I could vote for right-wing Conservative. Left-wing Labour is naïve, right-wing Conservatism is callous.
IMO the Stop the War Brigade are probably in the main nice people, but they are naïve dreamers who seem to either think they live in a nice world, or that they can make the world nice. That's why I christened them 'The Magic Wand Brigade'.
It starts somewhere, there has to be a starting place or change will never come. Corbyn and his followers are not tying to change the world so much. They are trying to change British politics and for the better of most Brits. They want the wealth gap closed, And end to greed.
Who would argue against that? Well the wealthy will of course. The same wealthy that warn they will leave if - which is bloody ridiculous if think about it. Why would someone who has made a fortune here abandon adding to it because he's told he can't keep all of it. And if he is that stupid and does go, there will be many others ready to step in and replace the greedy bar-stewards.
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I am a Labour voter, but I will not vote left-wing labour just as I could vote for right-wing Conservative. Left-wing Labour is naïve, right-wing Conservatism is callous.
IMO the Stop the War Brigade are probably in the main nice people, but they are naïve dreamers who seem to either think they live in a nice world, or that they can make the world nice. That's why I christened them 'The Magic Wand Brigade'.
It starts somewhere, there has to be a starting place or change will never come. Corbyn and his followers are not tying to change the world so much. They are trying to change British politics and for the better of most Brits. They want the wealth gap closed, And end to greed. Who would argue against that? Well the wealthy will of course. The same wealthy that warn they will leave if - which is bloody ridiculous if think about it. Why would someone who has made a fortune here abandon adding to it because he's told he can't keep all of it. And if he is that stupid and does go, there will be many others ready to step in and replace the greedy bar-stewards. I agree with many of the things Labour are saying, but just as I would warn people to beware of what right-wingers bring to the table, I would say the same about the left. I believe a Corbyn led party would do more damage to the economy than they would intend to do. IMO nothing short of a revolution could impose Corbynism on the country, and that is not going to happen.
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As the Anti Trump lobby has been spectacularly wrong from the beginning, as Cymru so clearly points put, . . .
No, we've had the key parts 100% right C What we got wrong was not what he was but we gave the USA public too much credit. We? Whose we? As for demonstrations ,didn't We have a million demonstrating against going to war in Iraq. and how effective was that? Demonstrations for the most part are pointless. Just makes the demonstrators feel good about themselves if lawfully held.
"He is a nasty, misogynistic, manipulating, rule breaking, lying, piece of scum that any right thinking person would be ashamed of supporting"
I support him in spite of your snide implications, and I am certainly not ashamed of doing so. He was democratically elected by the USA by the rules existing for many previous elections, and if he serves our country well and supports Brexit, I shall continue to do so and enjoy the ride.
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As the Anti Trump lobby has been spectacularly wrong from the beginning, as Cymru so clearly points put, . . .
No, we've had the key parts 100% right C What we got wrong was not what he was but we gave the USA public too much credit.
We? Whose we? . . . Well clearly the "we" was the anti Trump lobby. Don't you read your own posts?
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As for demonstrations ,didn't We have a million demonstrating against going to war in Iraq. and how effective was that? Demonstrations for the most part are pointless. Just makes the demonstrators feel good about themselves if lawfully held.
"He is a nasty, misogynistic, manipulating, rule breaking, lying, piece of scum that any right thinking person would be ashamed of supporting"
I support him in spite of your snide implications, and I am certainly not ashamed of doing so. He was democratically elected by the USA by the rules existing for many previous elections, and if he serves our country well and supports Brexit, I shall continue to do so and enjoy the ride.
Your support for telling lies, grabbing any woman you fancy by the pussy, coercing public officials into lying, illegal use of presidential power to benefit your own companies, defrauding in business, being a bigot and seeking to humiliate menstruating women and the disabled is noted
And it won't wash off
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As for demonstrations ,didn't We have a million demonstrating against going to war in Iraq. and how effective was that? Demonstrations for the most part are pointless. Just makes the demonstrators feel good about themselves if lawfully held.
"He is a nasty, misogynistic, manipulating, rule breaking, lying, piece of scum that any right thinking person would be ashamed of supporting"
I support him in spite of your snide implications, and I am certainly not ashamed of doing so. He was democratically elected by the USA by the rules existing for many previous elections, and if he serves our country well and supports Brexit, I shall continue to do so and enjoy the ride.
Your support for telling lies, grabbing any woman you fancy by the pussy, coercing public officials into lying, illegal use of presidential power to benefit your own companies, defrauding in business, being a bigot and seeking to humiliate menstruating women and the disabled is noted And it won't wash off I see you have succeeded in labeling me in your own mind.. Now you can continue to use it to attack me on personal level. Its against the board rules of course.
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