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| Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,598 Views) | |
| C-too | Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM Post #1 |
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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| Jessamy Bride | Jan 28 2017, 01:02 PM Post #721 |
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Brexit was never about the US ....it was homeland considerations, underestimated by the elite in governance....but very widely felt. The sense of unfairness, estrangement, overcrowding, lawlessness and cultural dilution. I think immigrants themselves are partly to blame when they haven't integrated, naturalised, learned the language or they get involved in criminal activity because they don't have a stake in the country. Seems to me that there are similar feelings in the US with illegal hispanic immigrants.......Doesn't mean the population is inherently racist, it means that people's lives are being affected... (and they are not being listened to. How did it ever get to this.. is the question which needs to be asked.....How has a government failed so spectacularly to meet the needs of its own citizens? Any Politician who says he/she is going to put their own people first (in a climate as above) is going to be hugely popular.....where the alternative is more of the same. Our Prime Minister is not friends with Trump. She is making the most of a hand she neither voted for, nor wanted....The first meeting looked like she was dancing on eggshells. (Kudos to her really.....I can't imagine her political rival in that role) We already do a lot of trade with the US...Now the hope is the tariffs could come down a bit or a mutually beneficial trade agreement could be reached....but one thing we aren't... is stupid. |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 28 2017, 01:03 PM Post #722 |
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Here is a link to the world population clock showing its growth in numbers in real time. http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ Any country that restricts immigration to suit its own needs is acting wisely IMO no matter how anyone sees it. We in Britain already have too many people with an ever increasing birthrate,just as India and china does. Trump is anticipating the future for both the culture and numbers . The economy is not the prime major problem for the future, sheer numbers of people is. Brexit is a consequence of that realisation. |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 28 2017, 01:10 PM Post #723 |
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If Trump is concerned about over population why has he restricted aid to agencies that give advice on abortions? This is ideological pure and simple, just like the restrictions on refugees from Muslim countries. He claims its to make Americans safer, but if that's his objective why has he done nothing about gun control, the number of Americans killed by guns rvery every year dwarfs that of those killed by Islamic terrorism. |
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| Jessamy Bride | Jan 28 2017, 01:26 PM Post #724 |
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What he spouts off about and what he can actually do... are two different things. Its a democracy not a dictatorship. There may already be laws in place to prevent some of his more fanciful ideas....and congress... of course. or ......some of his ideas may already be in place, under Obama... and he is just taking the credit. |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 28 2017, 02:00 PM Post #725 |
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We restrict the rate of immigration to this country (just try and emmigrate, here ... even from Britain) and at the rate that we're going, we will reach an uncomfortable threshold in about three centuries. Edited by Curious Cdn, Jan 28 2017, 02:01 PM.
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 28 2017, 02:06 PM Post #726 |
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Trump has not restricted immigration from the Arab countries from whence the historic threat to the US has come from, anyway. Why not the Saudis? Well, surprise, surprise! The new Secretary of State was the CEO of Exxon and we mustn't upset the yuge and rich House of Faud, must we? Why not the United Arab Emirates? Are you kidding!! There's a Trump Tower in the UAE! Why not Chechnya? Well, that's part of Russia and they are our friends, now. Trump has drained the swamp of its alligators and made plenty of room for the crocodiles to move in. Edited by Curious Cdn, Jan 28 2017, 02:10 PM.
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 28 2017, 02:19 PM Post #727 |
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Yeah, he's really standing up for the little guy against the wealthy elite isn't he? Jesus wept. |
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| marybrown | Jan 28 2017, 02:26 PM Post #728 |
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I think he must..he has promised the American people and vowed that Mexico will pay for it... |
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| marybrown | Jan 28 2017, 02:29 PM Post #729 |
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He is trying to do too much..too quickly.. |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 28 2017, 02:44 PM Post #730 |
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Hitler promised a one thousand year Reich. That didn't make it right, though. |
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| marybrown | Jan 28 2017, 03:00 PM Post #731 |
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I think Trump will have to do it..one of the main reasons he was voted in.. Maybe we misunderstand the problem of Mexican immigration..they are claimed to be drug dealers..rapists..etc.. My friend who lives in Louisville Kentucky had the total horror of finding her horse butchered in a field..the meat taken away..which is apparently quite a common crime in them there parts.. |
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| Steve K | Jan 28 2017, 03:33 PM Post #732 |
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In a way I support his immigration stance but he's gone about it the wrong way He should just say no one will be admitted to the USA without extensive self funded vetting if they hold citizenship of a country that refuses to affirm the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. That'd be a whole stack of Islamic regimes then. At the least:Albania, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Benin, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Chad, the Comoros, Ivory Coast, Egypt, Arab Emirates, Gabon, the Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, the Kyrgyz Republic, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Morocco, Malawi, Mozambique, Niger, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, Palestinian Territories, Qatar, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Sudan, Suriname, Syria, Tajikistan, Togo, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Uganda, Uzbekistan, Yemen, and Djibouti. And neither should we so admit |
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| marybrown | Jan 28 2017, 03:57 PM Post #733 |
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You forgot Great Britain??? |
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| Steve K | Jan 28 2017, 04:11 PM Post #734 |
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you forgot this was a serious debate, not the jokes subforum
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 28 2017, 04:21 PM Post #735 |
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Trump said priority would be given to Christian refugees, so what's to stop the Muslim refugees from pretending to be Christians like the Republicans do? |
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| marybrown | Jan 28 2017, 04:28 PM Post #736 |
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Who said I was joking? The ''British'' Islamic bombers are notorious.. |
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| Steve K | Jan 28 2017, 04:37 PM Post #737 |
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Oh FFS Mary Has the UK accepted the Unilateral Declaration of Human Rights? Yes Have those numerous dodgy countries I listed? No Do you want all Brits default barred from the USA? Seems so if we take your posts ^ at face value because you wanted to add the UK to the list of nations I was saying should be so barred. |
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| The Buccaneer | Jan 28 2017, 04:46 PM Post #738 |
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Damned good points SK, glad to say I'm in complete agreement here and for similar reasons, which I believe to be entirely defensible. |
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| marybrown | Jan 28 2017, 05:29 PM Post #739 |
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So..you agree that ''Brits'' with a ME appearance should not be thoroughly investigated? look into the crimes committed by ''Brits'' how many ''Brits'' have left England to join ISIS?? People that were born here..given a good education...and only treated with kindness? |
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| Steve K | Jan 28 2017, 06:26 PM Post #740 |
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This is interesting Trump's Executive order on Immigration Because as I've said before, I will defend my worst enemy against false accusation (and anyway he's not my worst enemy) and nowhere in that order does he actually victimise muslims by name. Nowhere are they or indded is any specific religion mentioned. |
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| Tigger | Jan 28 2017, 06:54 PM Post #741 |
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Indeed. 15 of the 19 terrorists who crashed planes into buildings were Saudi's. But of course oil and business are at risk should real supporters of terror be persecuted. |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 28 2017, 08:02 PM Post #742 |
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I'm horrified by sitting on the banks of the St. Clair River in Windsor, Ontario every night and listening to the sound of gunfire wafting across from Detroit. Savages. The Americans are savages. Edited by Curious Cdn, Jan 28 2017, 08:02 PM.
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 28 2017, 08:07 PM Post #743 |
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Trump would probably just as easily single out Jews, instead but it's already been done to death and that would certainly damage his brand. Muslims are often unloved and therefore are a much safer and better quality scapegoat. You've got to wonder, though, if Trump ever fantasized about watching Michael Bloomberg crackling away in a creamatorium oven. |
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| The Buccaneer | Jan 28 2017, 08:28 PM Post #744 |
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Wrong ! The Americans are deliberately keptin a state of anxiety by their rulers and military, which is precisely why they should NEVER be allowed to own guns privately, except in the service of their country. Of course at that point, homicide with guns will virtually evaporate but death from knives, baseball bats, lumps of concrete, home made bombs, gasoline, poison and a host of others will merely replace those. |
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| Rich | Jan 28 2017, 08:33 PM Post #745 |
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Take away the oil from the ME muslim dominated countries and what else is there left to offer to the world? IMO, they are content to herd goats and sit in the casbahs smoking their weird pipes and chat to each other about nothing much really and that, to me is why they just love to come to the west and be molly coddled by the welfare and benefits systems that must seem like heaven to them, of course, their women do not have a say in the matter, they even have to walk behind the man that they may well have been forced to marry. I just wish that those with that mindset would stay there whilst the rest of the world evolves and moves on at an ever greater pace. |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 28 2017, 09:09 PM Post #746 |
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We see none of that among the Arab immigrants, here. We even have a Syrian refugee family down the street.They are a nice , young couple with two very young children. There hasn't been a peep out of the refugees that we've taken in. One of the ground rules was that no single men were allowed in, so that they are all nuclear families. That adds a great deal to their stability. The Muslims have kept their heads down, in Canada. Edited by Curious Cdn, Jan 28 2017, 09:10 PM.
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 28 2017, 09:13 PM Post #747 |
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Enough of them are desparate, angry hillbillies that they have elected a fascist leader, simply because they are angry and desparate. Up here, to the North of them, the vast majority are horrified and frightened of what the US is becoming. |
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| Rich | Jan 28 2017, 09:16 PM Post #748 |
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Then beware of neo liberalist do gooder governments for it is they who spawn hard line right wing populaces. Let us see what the flavour is in Europe come next November. |
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| Tigger | Jan 28 2017, 10:35 PM Post #749 |
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Listen to the Canadian! He has a ringside seat. Perhaps a critical mass has been reached in the US and UK where the vast differences between rich and poor has bred social division and mistrust? Lets face it you lot keep banging on about so called free trade without really understanding it's core principles, ie we all compete in the same environment. You don't really want that do you? Because there are people from other places who are brighter and harder working than you and the millions of others who have been left behind. Again it is no accident the worm turned first in the UK and US, but the problem is intractable unless the masses can get better educations and break the glass ceilings currently in place. Don't whine if you can't be arsed to make the effort though, no one owes you a living in the World you helped to create.... |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 28 2017, 10:56 PM Post #750 |
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Trump wants to negotiate trade deals with the shattered remains of once-great trade blocks, so that the United States is overwhealming the most powerful and most leveraged party in any negotiation..Trump wants the EU smashed like a bowl of eggs. He loves Brexit because now, he has you over a barrel. He wants to tear up NAFTA, turn Mexico and Canada into supplicants. He has already left the TPP is so that he can negotiate with each, much weaker party individually. The "flavour" in Europe is bound to be bitter. You are a part of Europe and you have nothing to sell to the Americans that they don't do themselves ... sometimes better than you do. What are you going to trade to them? Automobiles? Sure, you are. Fighter planes? Commercial aircraft? Space craft? Are you delusional? Steel? (Ah-ha ha-ha-ha- ha!) Food? Hunh? Electronics? Paleeze! Textiles? ummmm...., no. Weapons? That's what they do best of all. Divide and conquer. Your Brexit is much appreciated. Edited by Curious Cdn, Jan 28 2017, 10:57 PM.
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| Tigger | Jan 28 2017, 11:05 PM Post #751 |
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Caravans and jam according to a former member of this forum! |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 28 2017, 11:14 PM Post #752 |
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They make better caravans that drive on the proper side of the road. The Scots make better whiskey, although Bourbon is pretty good. Your pottery is famous. Your chocolate is great but if it contains any beef products (milk?) it will be seized to protect American agriculture. You used to export a lot of Rock Music but you closed that mine down, too. |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 28 2017, 11:24 PM Post #753 |
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And he is not doing it alone. Others must be co-operating with him and advising him. and they must believe that what he is signing is doable, for as he has chosen them into positions of influence and power they wish to retain it. Haven't see too many resignations yet from their chosen course. |
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| scorpio | Jan 28 2017, 11:49 PM Post #754 |
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Apparently Trump is "a clueless child" Watching media I have never thought of him as being clueless, but he is impulsive and speaks before really thinking. He also appears to have a limited vocabulary, and speaks in simple terms, which appeals to Joe public, some of whom consider him to be just like them. However Trumps advisers think that they need to keep a close rein on him... See link.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/26/the-leaks-coming-out-the-trump-white-house-cast-the-boss-as-a-clueless-child/?utm_term=.63cd9a71e1fd |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 29 2017, 01:04 AM Post #755 |
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Eric Wolfson ?@EricWolfson #ThankYouTrump for making George W. Bush seem smart, Richard Nixon seem honest, & Warren G. Harding seem competent. 8:07 AM - 25 Jan 2017 Miam ?@makeitamystery #ThankYouTrump for ruining a perfectly good morning every single day when I wake up and remember you're the president. 6:54 AM - 25 Jan 2017 Devlin Tay ?@DevlinTay #thankyoutrump for bringing stupid, bigoted, racist & deplorable people out of the woodwork so that we know who they are 5:44 AM - 25 Jan 2017 Sierra Dearns ?@SierraDearnss #ThankYouTrump for taking away the money from that girl who was raped and now can't get a life saving abortion due to funds being cut 11:03 PM - 24 Jan 2017 A?anda ?@GrnEyedMandy #ThankYouTrump for gathering together a bunch of old, white, GOP men to sign away women's rights in order to soothe your impotency issues. ?? 8:26 PM - 24 Jan 2017 Tony Posnanski ?@tonyposnanski For caring about popular votes and crowd sizes more than the American people #ThankYouTrump 6:59 PM - 24 Jan 2017 d ?@daphnea490 Trying to stock up on birth control before I have to start paying $20 for it again. #thankyoutrump 12:47 PM - 15 Jan 2017 Gingie ?@VelvetMcIntyre #ThankYouTrump for bringing Nazis out of the woodwork for us to punch in the face. 3:05 AM - 25 Jan 2017 |
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| Rich | Jan 29 2017, 01:10 AM Post #756 |
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Opinions do not better the electoral college....he IS the President. |
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| Jessamy Bride | Jan 29 2017, 01:20 AM Post #757 |
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These are the main things that go to the US. Trade tariffs appear to be quite low....for the moment. Though I wouldn't hold my breath electrical machinery and equipment machinery and mechanical appliances vehicles mineral fuels and oils pharmaceuticals optical, photographic, cinematographic, measuring and precision equipment furniture, mattresses and soft furnishings pearls, precious and semi precious stones and metals organic chemicals plastics |
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| Cymru | Jan 29 2017, 03:38 AM Post #758 |
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The poor snowflakes. Edited by Cymru, Jan 29 2017, 03:39 AM.
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 29 2017, 06:54 AM Post #759 |
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Look how Trump reacts to any kind of criticism, he's the biggest snowflake of them all. Meanwhile his immigration ban has lost its first legal battle and been partially overturned. Edited by Happy Hornet, Jan 29 2017, 07:17 AM.
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 29 2017, 08:13 AM Post #760 |
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The Americans manufacture each and every item on your list and it has been plainly stated that American jobs come first. You are meant to be a market, not a supplier. |
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IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.



you forgot this was a serious debate, not the jokes subforum

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