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D Trump; + merges
Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,597 Views)
C-too
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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Jan 29 2017, 01:10 AM
Curious Cdn
Jan 29 2017, 01:04 AM
Eric Wolfson ?@EricWolfson
#ThankYouTrump for making George W. Bush seem smart, Richard Nixon seem honest, & Warren G. Harding seem competent.
8:07 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Miam ?@makeitamystery
#ThankYouTrump for ruining a perfectly good morning every single day when I wake up and remember you're the president.
6:54 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Devlin Tay ?@DevlinTay
#thankyoutrump for bringing stupid, bigoted, racist & deplorable people out of the woodwork so that we know who they are
5:44 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Sierra Dearns ?@SierraDearnss
#ThankYouTrump for taking away the money from that girl who was raped and now can't get a life saving abortion due to funds being cut
11:03 PM - 24 Jan 2017

A?anda ?@GrnEyedMandy
#ThankYouTrump for gathering together a bunch of old, white, GOP men to sign away women's rights in order to soothe your impotency issues. ??
8:26 PM - 24 Jan 2017

Tony Posnanski ?@tonyposnanski
For caring about popular votes and crowd sizes more than the American people #ThankYouTrump
6:59 PM - 24 Jan 2017

d ?@daphnea490

Trying to stock up on birth control before I have to start paying $20 for it again. #thankyoutrump
12:47 PM - 15 Jan 2017

Gingie ?@VelvetMcIntyre
#ThankYouTrump for bringing Nazis out of the woodwork for us to punch in the face.
3:05 AM - 25 Jan 2017
Opinions do not better the electoral college....he IS the President.
... for a hundred days, or so anyway..
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Jan 29 2017, 06:54 AM
Look how Trump reacts to any kind of criticism, he's the biggest snowflake of them all.

Meanwhile his immigration ban has lost its first legal battle and been partially overturned.
Not really. A court has put a 'stay' on the deportation of people already arrived (or are in transit) with valid, pre-ban visas.

The courts want more information from the federal government, but they have not "overturned" anything.
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Jan 29 2017, 01:10 AM
Curious Cdn
Jan 29 2017, 01:04 AM
Eric Wolfson ?@EricWolfson
#ThankYouTrump for making George W. Bush seem smart, Richard Nixon seem honest, & Warren G. Harding seem competent.
8:07 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Miam ?@makeitamystery
#ThankYouTrump for ruining a perfectly good morning every single day when I wake up and remember you're the president.
6:54 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Devlin Tay ?@DevlinTay
#thankyoutrump for bringing stupid, bigoted, racist & deplorable people out of the woodwork so that we know who they are
5:44 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Sierra Dearns ?@SierraDearnss
#ThankYouTrump for taking away the money from that girl who was raped and now can't get a life saving abortion due to funds being cut
11:03 PM - 24 Jan 2017

A?anda ?@GrnEyedMandy
#ThankYouTrump for gathering together a bunch of old, white, GOP men to sign away women's rights in order to soothe your impotency issues. ??
8:26 PM - 24 Jan 2017

Tony Posnanski ?@tonyposnanski
For caring about popular votes and crowd sizes more than the American people #ThankYouTrump
6:59 PM - 24 Jan 2017

d ?@daphnea490

Trying to stock up on birth control before I have to start paying $20 for it again. #thankyoutrump
12:47 PM - 15 Jan 2017

Gingie ?@VelvetMcIntyre
#ThankYouTrump for bringing Nazis out of the woodwork for us to punch in the face.
3:05 AM - 25 Jan 2017
Opinions do not better the electoral college....he IS the President.
And some people don't appear to give a sh!t about the nasty side, which is unfortunately typical of right-wingers.

It seems that at least we are witnessing some of the crap right-wingers bring to the table.
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Jan 29 2017, 08:37 AM
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Jan 29 2017, 06:54 AM
Look how Trump reacts to any kind of criticism, he's the biggest snowflake of them all.

Meanwhile his immigration ban has lost its first legal battle and been partially overturned.
Not really. A court has put a 'stay' on the deportation of people already arrived (or are in transit) with valid, pre-ban visas.

The courts want more information from the federal government, but they have not "overturned" anything.
Ok fine, a federal judge has stayed some deportations and the wider legality of Trump's executive order is under question.

Doubtless Trump will claim this is proof of the establishment/ media being out to get him, the poor snowflake.
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Jan 29 2017, 06:54 AM
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Jan 29 2017, 03:38 AM
Curious Cdn
Jan 29 2017, 01:04 AM
Eric Wolfson ?@EricWolfson
#ThankYouTrump for making George W. Bush seem smart, Richard Nixon seem honest, & Warren G. Harding seem competent.
8:07 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Miam ?@makeitamystery
#ThankYouTrump for ruining a perfectly good morning every single day when I wake up and remember you're the president.
6:54 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Devlin Tay ?@DevlinTay
#thankyoutrump for bringing stupid, bigoted, racist & deplorable people out of the woodwork so that we know who they are
5:44 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Sierra Dearns ?@SierraDearnss
#ThankYouTrump for taking away the money from that girl who was raped and now can't get a life saving abortion due to funds being cut
11:03 PM - 24 Jan 2017

A?anda ?@GrnEyedMandy
#ThankYouTrump for gathering together a bunch of old, white, GOP men to sign away women's rights in order to soothe your impotency issues. ??
8:26 PM - 24 Jan 2017

Tony Posnanski ?@tonyposnanski
For caring about popular votes and crowd sizes more than the American people #ThankYouTrump
6:59 PM - 24 Jan 2017

d ?@daphnea490

Trying to stock up on birth control before I have to start paying $20 for it again. #thankyoutrump
12:47 PM - 15 Jan 2017

Gingie ?@VelvetMcIntyre
#ThankYouTrump for bringing Nazis out of the woodwork for us to punch in the face.
3:05 AM - 25 Jan 2017
The poor snowflakes.
Look how Trump reacts to any kind of criticism, he's the biggest snowflake of them all.

Meanwhile his immigration ban has lost its first legal battle and been partially overturned.
Yes he like most right wing extremists is bloody useless, a waste of a skin!
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Jan 29 2017, 08:44 AM
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Jan 29 2017, 01:10 AM
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Jan 29 2017, 01:04 AM
Eric Wolfson ?@EricWolfson
#ThankYouTrump for making George W. Bush seem smart, Richard Nixon seem honest, & Warren G. Harding seem competent.
8:07 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Miam ?@makeitamystery
#ThankYouTrump for ruining a perfectly good morning every single day when I wake up and remember you're the president.
6:54 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Devlin Tay ?@DevlinTay
#thankyoutrump for bringing stupid, bigoted, racist & deplorable people out of the woodwork so that we know who they are
5:44 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Sierra Dearns ?@SierraDearnss
#ThankYouTrump for taking away the money from that girl who was raped and now can't get a life saving abortion due to funds being cut
11:03 PM - 24 Jan 2017

A?anda ?@GrnEyedMandy
#ThankYouTrump for gathering together a bunch of old, white, GOP men to sign away women's rights in order to soothe your impotency issues. ??
8:26 PM - 24 Jan 2017

Tony Posnanski ?@tonyposnanski
For caring about popular votes and crowd sizes more than the American people #ThankYouTrump
6:59 PM - 24 Jan 2017

d ?@daphnea490

Trying to stock up on birth control before I have to start paying $20 for it again. #thankyoutrump
12:47 PM - 15 Jan 2017

Gingie ?@VelvetMcIntyre
#ThankYouTrump for bringing Nazis out of the woodwork for us to punch in the face.
3:05 AM - 25 Jan 2017
Opinions do not better the electoral college....he IS the President.
And some people don't appear to give a sh!t about the nasty side, which is unfortunately typical of right-wingers.

It seems that at least we are witnessing some of the crap right-wingers bring to the table.
Anyone else noticed as well how the right's enthusiasm for freedom of speech seems to have cooled considerably recently?
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Jan 29 2017, 03:38 AM
Curious Cdn
Jan 29 2017, 01:04 AM
Eric Wolfson ?@EricWolfson
#ThankYouTrump for making George W. Bush seem smart, Richard Nixon seem honest, & Warren G. Harding seem competent.
8:07 AM - 25 Jan 2017
Miam ?@makeitamystery
#ThankYouTrump for ruining a perfectly good morning every single day when I wake up and remember you're the president.
6:54 AM - 25 Jan 2017
Devlin Tay ?@DevlinTay
#thankyoutrump for bringing stupid, bigoted, racist & deplorable people out of the woodwork so that we know who they are
5:44 AM - 25 Jan 2017
Sierra Dearns ?@SierraDearnss
#ThankYouTrump for taking away the money from that girl who was raped and now can't get a life saving abortion due to funds being cut
11:03 PM - 24 Jan 2017
A?anda ?@GrnEyedMandy
#ThankYouTrump for gathering together a bunch of old, white, GOP men to sign away women's rights in order to soothe your impotency issues. ??
8:26 PM - 24 Jan 2017
Tony Posnanski ?@tonyposnanski
For caring about popular votes and crowd sizes more than the American people #ThankYouTrump
6:59 PM - 24 Jan 2017
d ?@daphnea490
Trying to stock up on birth control before I have to start paying $20 for it again. #thankyoutrump
12:47 PM - 15 Jan 2017
Gingie ?@VelvetMcIntyre
#ThankYouTrump for bringing Nazis out of the woodwork for us to punch in the face.
3:05 AM - 25 Jan 2017
The poor snowflakes.
Do I see the callousness of the 'right' lacking in empathy and pretending to be clever ?
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I think to label Trump anti-Establishment, or the Establishment anti-Trump is premature.
He's part of them, and his placement of their doing.
Our Canadian friend hints at what is possibly behind this venture, it scares them, and rightly so.
The World is not as safe today as it was a year ago,
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C-too
Jan 29 2017, 08:51 AM
Do I see the callousness of the 'right' lacking in empathy and pretending to be clever ?

It's just the old 'might is right' fallacy.
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Jan 29 2017, 01:04 AM
Eric Wolfson ?@EricWolfson
#ThankYouTrump for making George W. Bush seem smart, Richard Nixon seem honest, & Warren G. Harding seem competent.
8:07 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Miam ?@makeitamystery
#ThankYouTrump for ruining a perfectly good morning every single day when I wake up and remember you're the president.
6:54 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Devlin Tay ?@DevlinTay
#thankyoutrump for bringing stupid, bigoted, racist & deplorable people out of the woodwork so that we know who they are
5:44 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Sierra Dearns ?@SierraDearnss
#ThankYouTrump for taking away the money from that girl who was raped and now can't get a life saving abortion due to funds being cut
11:03 PM - 24 Jan 2017

A?anda ?@GrnEyedMandy
#ThankYouTrump for gathering together a bunch of old, white, GOP men to sign away women's rights in order to soothe your impotency issues. ??
8:26 PM - 24 Jan 2017

Tony Posnanski ?@tonyposnanski
For caring about popular votes and crowd sizes more than the American people #ThankYouTrump
6:59 PM - 24 Jan 2017

d ?@daphnea490

Trying to stock up on birth control before I have to start paying $20 for it again. #thankyoutrump
12:47 PM - 15 Jan 2017

Gingie ?@VelvetMcIntyre
#ThankYouTrump for bringing Nazis out of the woodwork for us to punch in the face.
3:05 AM - 25 Jan 2017
Obviously selected to present a one sided case in opposition to him
Now can we have an equal number supporting him and his actions, for there must be a million to chose from. We must be balanced 'fair' {a word much loved by the liberal left}, and even handed, for how otherwise can we see both sides POV.
Trump was elected, his proposals were in his manifesto, he was elected on them, and now he puts them into practice.
Democracy at work. Shrugs:
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C-too
Jan 29 2017, 08:51 AM
Cymru
Jan 29 2017, 03:38 AM
Curious Cdn
Jan 29 2017, 01:04 AM
Eric Wolfson ?@EricWolfson
#ThankYouTrump for making George W. Bush seem smart, Richard Nixon seem honest, & Warren G. Harding seem competent.
8:07 AM - 25 Jan 2017
Miam ?@makeitamystery
#ThankYouTrump for ruining a perfectly good morning every single day when I wake up and remember you're the president.
6:54 AM - 25 Jan 2017
Devlin Tay ?@DevlinTay
#thankyoutrump for bringing stupid, bigoted, racist & deplorable people out of the woodwork so that we know who they are
5:44 AM - 25 Jan 2017
Sierra Dearns ?@SierraDearnss
#ThankYouTrump for taking away the money from that girl who was raped and now can't get a life saving abortion due to funds being cut
11:03 PM - 24 Jan 2017
A?anda ?@GrnEyedMandy
#ThankYouTrump for gathering together a bunch of old, white, GOP men to sign away women's rights in order to soothe your impotency issues. ??
8:26 PM - 24 Jan 2017
Tony Posnanski ?@tonyposnanski
For caring about popular votes and crowd sizes more than the American people #ThankYouTrump
6:59 PM - 24 Jan 2017
d ?@daphnea490
Trying to stock up on birth control before I have to start paying $20 for it again. #thankyoutrump
12:47 PM - 15 Jan 2017
Gingie ?@VelvetMcIntyre
#ThankYouTrump for bringing Nazis out of the woodwork for us to punch in the face.
3:05 AM - 25 Jan 2017
The poor snowflakes.
Do I see the callousness of the 'right' lacking in empathy and pretending to be clever ?
At times hard headed reality IS clever.
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Jan 29 2017, 10:46 AM
Obviously selected to present a one sided case in opposition to him
Now can we have an equal number supporting him and his actions, for there must be a million to chose from. We must be balanced 'fair' {a word much loved by the liberal left}, and even handed, for how otherwise can we see both sides POV. . .
Going to be hard when you have a president with the worst approval ratings and they're getting worse

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

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I see as well that Trump wants to cut funding for the Violence Against Women Act grants. This would leave more women vulnerable to violence. Remember all those right wingers screaming about women's rights after Cologne? Gone very queit now haven't they?

Personally I would question the masculinity of any man who would fail to protect women from violence.
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Jan 29 2017, 11:18 AM
Tytoalba
Jan 29 2017, 10:46 AM
Obviously selected to present a one sided case in opposition to him
Now can we have an equal number supporting him and his actions, for there must be a million to chose from. We must be balanced 'fair' {a word much loved by the liberal left}, and even handed, for how otherwise can we see both sides POV. . .
Going to be hard when you have a president with the worst approval ratings and they're getting worse

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

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Of course, there is no indication of what sector of society was polled and what their situation was at the time of being polled.....hell, I have bad mood days too.

It is just a snapshot, nothing more and we have all experienced the "expertise" and exactment of polls, haven't we?
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Pity he's not in charge of the UK, he'd have us out of the EU in a week.
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Pity he's not in charge of the UK, he'd have us out of the EU in a week.
... and the UN the week after that, the Commonwealth the week after that ...
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Pity he's not in charge of the UK, he'd have us out of the EU in a week.
... and the UN the week after that, the Commonwealth the week after that ...
and out of sorts the week after
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Jan 29 2017, 11:18 AM
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Jan 29 2017, 10:46 AM
Obviously selected to present a one sided case in opposition to him
Now can we have an equal number supporting him and his actions, for there must be a million to chose from. We must be balanced 'fair' {a word much loved by the liberal left}, and even handed, for how otherwise can we see both sides POV. . .
Going to be hard when you have a president with the worst approval ratings and they're getting worse

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

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Go on and try I know you can do it. Just 10 carefully selected could show that many of the electorate agree with him.

On immigration of any sort, be they victims of war, of political consequences or just economic refugees, at what point do we have border controls to protect our own?

Its all very well being humanitarian, charitable, idealistic, and caring, but what do you do when those mentioned and all others start to take advantage , make claims that are false, put unsustainable pressures on your own economy and social services and then start to make demands that you change to their ways accept them on their terms , even threaten you if their demands are not met. and what you can do for your own poor unemployed and underpaid when the stream becomes never ending and the funds available stretch to unsustainable levels and society becomes unstablised and with a right wing growth of extreme political parties?.

I suppose one answer would be to do what Trump is doing. Shut the door on them. Would that be a rational or an irrational act or just self preservation. That's a question, not a statement of what should be done, before the usual attacks start.
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Jan 29 2017, 03:16 PM
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Jan 29 2017, 11:18 AM
Tytoalba
Jan 29 2017, 10:46 AM
Obviously selected to present a one sided case in opposition to him
Now can we have an equal number supporting him and his actions, for there must be a million to chose from. We must be balanced 'fair' {a word much loved by the liberal left}, and even handed, for how otherwise can we see both sides POV. . .
Going to be hard when you have a president with the worst approval ratings and they're getting worse

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

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Go on and try I know you can do it. Just 10 carefully selected could show that many of the electorate agree with him.

On immigration of any sort, be they victims of war, of political consequences or just economic refugees, at what point do we have border controls to protect our own?

Its all very well being humanitarian, charitable, idealistic, and caring, but what do you do when those mentioned and all others start to take advantage , make claims that are false, put unsustainable pressures on your own economy and social services and then start to make demands that you change to their ways accept them on their terms , even threaten you if their demands are not met. and what you can do for your own poor unemployed and underpaid when the stream becomes never ending and the funds available stretch to unsustainable levels and society becomes unstablised and with a right wing growth of extreme political parties?.

I suppose one answer would be to do what Trump is doing. Shut the door on them. Would that be a rational or an irrational act or just self preservation. That's a question, not a statement of what should be done, before the usual attacks start.
Note that he hasn't shut the door on Saudi Arabia though, where 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came from. Why do you suppose that is?
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Jan 29 2017, 11:50 AM
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Jan 29 2017, 11:18 AM
Tytoalba
Jan 29 2017, 10:46 AM
Obviously selected to present a one sided case in opposition to him
Now can we have an equal number supporting him and his actions, for there must be a million to chose from. We must be balanced 'fair' {a word much loved by the liberal left}, and even handed, for how otherwise can we see both sides POV. . .
Going to be hard when you have a president with the worst approval ratings and they're getting worse

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

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Of course, there is no indication of what sector of society was polled and what their situation was at the time of being polled.....hell, I have bad mood days too.

It is just a snapshot, nothing more and we have all experienced the "expertise" and exactment of polls, haven't we?
I like the way the graphs are drawn to give the impression that the divisions are greater then they are.
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Jan 29 2017, 03:16 PM
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Jan 29 2017, 11:18 AM
Tytoalba
Jan 29 2017, 10:46 AM
Obviously selected to present a one sided case in opposition to him
Now can we have an equal number supporting him and his actions, for there must be a million to chose from. We must be balanced 'fair' {a word much loved by the liberal left}, and even handed, for how otherwise can we see both sides POV. . .
Going to be hard when you have a president with the worst approval ratings and they're getting worse

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

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Go on and try I know you can do it. Just 10 carefully selected could show that many of the electorate agree with him. . .
 ::) go on you know YOU can do it, READ THE SUPPLIED LINK

And you will see it's a daily survey of 1,500 people so your 10 could move it less than 1%. But thanks for ending the search to find the person who's never heard of Gallup, one of the oldest and most respected polling companies
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Jan 29 2017, 03:29 PM
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Go on and try I know you can do it. Just 10 carefully selected could show that many of the electorate agree with him. . .
 ::) go on you know YOU can do it, READ THE SUPPLIED LINK

And you will see it's a daily survey of 1,500 people so your 10 could move it less than 1%. But thanks for ending the search to find the person who's never heard of Gallup, one of the oldest and most respected polling companies
But it is like I said Steve, the poll could or even may have been carried out in a mainly Muslim dominated area.....who knows?

Yes, I agree it is a very silly blanket ruling that Trump has put in place as evidenced this morning on the Andrew Marr show when Nadeem Sawahi gave his account of not being able to visit his 2 sons studying at Princeton University.

I think that those around Trump will persuade him that the ruling needs "tweaking" but I will not disagree with his overriding wish to vet whoever wishes to enter the USA and for whatever reason.

His moratorium, imo, is not unreasonable whilst tweaking and plans/provisions are put in place
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Jan 29 2017, 04:56 PM
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Jan 29 2017, 03:29 PM
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Jan 29 2017, 03:16 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
 ::) go on you know YOU can do it, READ THE SUPPLIED LINK

And you will see it's a daily survey of 1,500 people so your 10 could move it less than 1%. But thanks for ending the search to find the person who's never heard of Gallup, one of the oldest and most respected polling companies
But it is like I said Steve, the poll could or even may have been carried out in a mainly Muslim dominated area.....who knows? . .
or even that Mr Gallup just decided to only canvass the greater Clinton family - it's as likely


I know this may offend you but could you perhaps indulge in serious debate on this point instead of coming up with ludicrous ideas?
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Do I see the callousness of the 'right' lacking in empathy and pretending to be clever ?
At times hard headed reality IS clever.
And ? Or are you unable to go further than to offer insinuation ?
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Jan 29 2017, 05:17 PM
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But it is like I said Steve, the poll could or even may have been carried out in a mainly Muslim dominated area.....who knows? . .
or even that Mr Gallup just decided to only canvass the greater Clinton family - it's as likely


I know this may offend you but could you perhaps indulge in serious debate on this point instead of coming up with ludicrous ideas?
Perhaps you yourself could provide evidence of what sector of society was polled....if not then I cannot be serious about the outcome of the poll....I doubt very much if you can do so, therefore your point about being serious is moot

Facts old boy....facts that can stand scrutiny as you so often tell everyone else on this board.

If I was not being serious I would be posting on the "jokes" section.
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Jan 29 2017, 05:44 PM
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Jan 29 2017, 04:56 PM

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or even that Mr Gallup just decided to only canvass the greater Clinton family - it's as likely


I know this may offend you but could you perhaps indulge in serious debate on this point instead of coming up with ludicrous ideas?
Perhaps you yourself could provide evidence of what sector of society was polled....if not then I cannot be serious about the outcome of the poll....I doubt very much if you can do so, therefore your point about being serious is moot

Facts old boy....facts that can stand scrutiny as you so often tell everyone else on this board.

If I was not being serious I would be posting on the "jokes" section.
You were given the link to the Gallup poll involved. Feel free to look at their declared methodology and their established reputation. Google can be your friend in this and you would have been wise to have consulted such before launching that absurd inference that they might have decided to only poll a single Muslim dominated neighbourhood.
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Perhaps you yourself could provide evidence of what sector of society was polled....if not then I cannot be serious about the outcome of the poll....I doubt very much if you can do so, therefore your point about being serious is moot

Facts old boy....facts that can stand scrutiny as you so often tell everyone else on this board.

If I was not being serious I would be posting on the "jokes" section.
You were given the link to the Gallup poll involved. Feel free to look at their declared methodology and their established reputation. Google can be your friend in this and you would have been wise to have consulted such before launching that absurd inference that they might have decided to only poll a single Muslim dominated neighbourhood.
I did not infer any such thing but I did suggest that that MAY have been the case, I do not know.....do you?.....who cares? polls are for dolls and are only a snapshot in time.....bugger me, you could ask me how I am on a monday morning or friday afternoon and get two different answers.

Who was it who said "get over yourself"?
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At times hard headed reality IS clever.
And ? Or are you unable to go further than to offer insinuation ?
Put me down as an average voter.  ::) Everything needs to be questioned today to get the truth of anything. As you must know from your own personal experience bias is endemic.
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Go on and try I know you can do it. Just 10 carefully selected could show that many of the electorate agree with him.

On immigration of any sort, be they victims of war, of political consequences or just economic refugees, at what point do we have border controls to protect our own?

Its all very well being humanitarian, charitable, idealistic, and caring, but what do you do when those mentioned and all others start to take advantage , make claims that are false, put unsustainable pressures on your own economy and social services and then start to make demands that you change to their ways accept them on their terms , even threaten you if their demands are not met. and what you can do for your own poor unemployed and underpaid when the stream becomes never ending and the funds available stretch to unsustainable levels and society becomes unstablised and with a right wing growth of extreme political parties?.

I suppose one answer would be to do what Trump is doing. Shut the door on them. Would that be a rational or an irrational act or just self preservation. That's a question, not a statement of what should be done, before the usual attacks start.
Note that he hasn't shut the door on Saudi Arabia though, where 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came from. Why do you suppose that is?
Pragmatism.
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I find it highly unlikely that Gallup would deliberately skew one of its polls, or allow a poll to be constructed in such as way as to be deliberately inaccurate.

Gallup lives and dies as a business on the basis of the purity of its methodology. If it was detected as being either biased, or careless, then it could go out of business.
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Pragmatism.
You meant money didn't you? After all Saudi Arabia has hundreds of billions of Dollars invested in the US.

In other words it's a big pile of stinking hypocrisy.
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Jan 29 2017, 04:56 PM
But it is like I said Steve, the poll could or even may have been carried out in a mainly Muslim dominated area.....who knows?


:'(

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Put me down as an average voter.  ::) Everything needs to be questioned today to get the truth of anything. As you must know from your own personal experience bias is endemic.

It may be that being a conviction voter, never ever having considered voting for any other choice than the one you have always voted for, is possibly the national 'average' way.
But to clarify it by saying that choice is reliant on analysis, truth, experience, defies reason.

That choice is from indoctrination with an ideology that despite failures to deliver all that it proposes it will provide, that conviction never wavers - There has been only one manifesto document that has delivered on what it declared to voters would be delivered in my time. Only one government that lived up to the promise. It wasn't a Tory manifesto.
It begins with this
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Put me down as an average voter.  ::) Everything needs to be questioned today to get the truth of anything. As you must know from your own personal experience bias is endemic.

It may be that being a conviction voter, never ever having considered voting for any other choice than the one you have always voted for, is possibly the national 'average' way.
But to clarify it by saying that choice is reliant on analysis, truth, experience, defies reason.

That choice is from indoctrination with an ideology that despite failures to deliver all that it proposes it will provide, that conviction never wavers - There has been only one manifesto document that has delivered on what it declared to voters would be delivered in my time. Only one government that lived up to the promise. It wasn't a Tory manifesto.
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I am afraid that you have been misled, there is only one covenant that can be kept indefinitely and that is made when a couple take their marriage vows.

A covenant made by this or any other government is made at the time of election and not surprisingly worldwide events sometimes overtake or supercede the need to stick adherently to those promises....I believe that every rational person understands this and makes allowances for such adjustments....just as a willow tree will do in order to thrive and grow.
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I am afraid that you have been misled,

My reply - That's Ironic!

A covenant made by this or any other government is made at the time of election and not surprisingly worldwide events sometimes overtake or supercede the need to stick adherently to those promises....I believe that every rational person understands this and makes allowances for such adjustments....just as a willow tree will do in order to thrive and grow.
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A covenant made by this or any other government is made at the time of election and not surprisingly worldwide events sometimes overtake or supercede the need to stick adherently to those promises.


That's the standard excuse!
George Osborne never stood a chance of "balancing the economy in one term", and imo never intended he would.
He had this excuse ready no matter what transpired .
You are old enough to know that every Tory government has failed on its declared main objectives on forming a government - even Thatcher. (her's was to reduce unemployment).
Cameron's to balance the economy!
I've given you the only one that delivered as declared ........... and knowing this you still believe you are making choices based on expectations .......... and always will be "misled" to do so!
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Put me down as an average voter.  ::) Everything needs to be questioned today to get the truth of anything. As you must know from your own personal experience bias is endemic.

It may be that being a conviction voter, never ever having considered voting for any other choice than the one you have always voted for, is possibly the national 'average' way.
But to clarify it by saying that choice is reliant on analysis, truth, experience, defies reason.

That choice is from indoctrination with an ideology that despite failures to deliver all that it proposes it will provide, that conviction never wavers - There has been only one manifesto document that has delivered on what it declared to voters would be delivered in my time. Only one government that lived up to the promise. It wasn't a Tory manifesto.
It begins with this
' This is our contract with the people'

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Well if I'd been asked to name just one then that'd have been it but I rather suspect Thatcher delivered on her 1979 and 1983 ones too. I guess the Coalition Agreement doesn't count as a manifesto.
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Petition to ban Trump's state visit to the UK.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

It's well over 100 000 signatures, and increasing steadily, and according to the website will be debated in parliament.

It won't stop the visit though, but it will show that many oppose the man.
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I'm horrified by sitting on the banks of the St. Clair River in Windsor, Ontario every night and listening to the sound of gunfire wafting across from Detroit.

Savages.

The Americans are savages.


Wrong !

The Americans are deliberately keptin a state of anxiety by their rulers and military, which is precisely why they should NEVER be allowed to own guns privately, except in the service of their country.

Of course at that point, homicide with guns will virtually evaporate but death from knives, baseball bats, lumps of concrete, home made bombs, gasoline, poison and a host of others will merely replace those.
Enough of them are desparate, angry hillbillies that they have elected a fascist leader, simply because they are angry and desparate.

Up here, to the North of them, the vast majority are horrified and frightened of what the US is becoming.
What are you bothered for or any of you ?
Not your country nothing to do with you
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Good grief! :nono:

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Trump: 'This is not about religion, this is about terror'

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America has always been the land of the free and home of the brave. We will keep it free and keep it safe, as the media knows, but refuses to say. My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror.

To be clear, this is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting. This is not about religion - this is about terror and keeping our country safe. There are over 40 different countries worldwide that are majority Muslim that are not affected by this order.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2017-01-29/trump-this-is-not-about-religion-this-is-about-terror/



I do not recall such an uproar when Obama did it.  ::)
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MORE HYPOCRISY: Obama Banned all Iraqi Refugees for 6 Months in 2011 – Liberals SAID NOTHING!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/hypocrisy-obama-banned-iraqi-refugees-6-months-2011-liberals-said-nothing/

FLASHBACK: Obama Suspended Iraq Refugee Program for Six Months Over Terrorism Fears in 2011

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/01/29/flashback-obama-2011-suspended-iraq-refugee-program-six-months-terrorism-fears/



Just supporting my previous post. More out there for those willing to surf for it.
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