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D Trump; + merges
Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,596 Views)
C-too
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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Jan 29 2017, 10:21 PM
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Jan 28 2017, 09:13 PM
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Jan 28 2017, 08:28 PM

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Enough of them are desparate, angry hillbillies that they have elected a fascist leader, simply because they are angry and desparate.

Up here, to the North of them, the vast majority are horrified and frightened of what the US is becoming.
What are you bothered for or any of you ?
Not your country nothing to do with you
We are the United States largest trading partner and they are ours. The two way trade between our two countries is the largest such ebb and flow on the planet. We share defences with them through NORAD , NATO and a host of other such arrangements. We share a border as wide as all of Europe and then some. Our police and security people use common data bases on all of us, in order to provide transcontinental anti-terror and anti-criminal security. The US isn't just "another country over there, somewhere" that we needn't be nosy about They are in our faces, in our lives and, if they go off the rails, they are a real existential threat to us.

As a previous Prime Minister so wisely put the relationship, back in the 1970's: ...

"Americans should never underestimate the constant pressure on Canada which the mere presence of the United States has produced. We're different people from you and we're different people because of you. Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is effected by every twitch and grunt. It should not therefore be expected that this kind of nation, this Canada, should project itself as a mirror image of the United States."

The United States is a half hour drive from me. The best analogy that you would understand would be the relationship between Scotland and England with the difference that we are an independent and sovereign nation (that Scotland is not) and that we do not ask for or receive a penny of any type of largesse or aid from the US (that Scotland regularly does).

"Nothing to do with us"?

Wrong.

Very wrong.
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Jan 29 2017, 10:24 PM
Good grief! :nono:

Welcome back! That was one of your shortest ever runners! ;D
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Jan 29 2017, 10:45 PM
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Jan 29 2017, 10:24 PM
Good grief! :nono:

Welcome back! That was one of your shortest ever runners! ;D
What runner? I never left. Just had enough of going round in circles. Hmm, I note you left out the rest of my post, and I am sure you noted the post I followed it with.  ::)

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That reminds me. What is D Trump doing in the UK politics section? :rubchin:
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What runner? I never left. Just had enough of going round in circles. Hmm, I note you left out the rest of my post, and I am sure you noted the post I followed it with.  ::)

Spent the day surfing the net, playing Heroes V, and watching Star Trek the next Generation while eating fish [haddock] and chips. !wav!

I've become allergic to caps lock posts as the summary can often be at odds with the story and hideously out of context!

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Jan 29 2017, 10:52 PM
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What runner? I never left. Just had enough of going round in circles. Hmm, I note you left out the rest of my post, and I am sure you noted the post I followed it with.  ::)

Spent the day surfing the net, playing Heroes V, and watching Star Trek the next Generation while eating fish [haddock] and chips. !wav!

I've become allergic to caps lock posts as the summary can often be at odds with the story and hideously out of context!

I did not use caps lock.  ::)
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That reminds me. What is D Trump doing in the UK politics section? :rubchin:
No good, I'm sure.
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That reminds me. What is D Trump doing in the UK politics section? :rubchin:
No good, I'm sure.
!jk!
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What runner? I never left. Just had enough of going round in circles. Hmm, I note you left out the rest of my post, and I am sure you noted the post I followed it with.  ::)

Spent the day surfing the net, playing Heroes V, and watching Star Trek the next Generation while eating fish [haddock] and chips. !wav!

I've become allergic to caps lock posts as the summary can often be at odds with the story and hideously out of context!

I did not use caps lock.  ::)
THAT'S TRUE.
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Pragmatism.
You meant money didn't you? After all Saudi Arabia has hundreds of billions of Dollars invested in the US.

In other words it's a big pile of stinking hypocrisy.
He's looking after the interests of is own people, hypocritical or not He is taking the pragmatic approach not the moralistic one. No point failing for ones principles, for what matters is doing the right things for the right reasons. Trumps job is to look after the best interests of the {majority}American people as he sees fit.
At the moment he is the god of the copybook heading'

http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_copybook.htm
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I just think that cancelling Trumps State visit...... when he has already been invited, would compromise our chances of a trade agreement

Since this plea comes from mainly discontented Remain voters..... who would like nothing better than for negotiations to fail

I think it should be treated as disingenuous.




The spokesman has said she disapproves.....There is no ban on this sovereign soil
Now lets move on...there are bigger problems afoot.
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And ? Or are you unable to go further than to offer insinuation ?
Put me down as an average voter.  ::) Everything needs to be questioned today to get the truth of anything. As you must know from your own personal experience bias is endemic.
It would be handy for debate if you were able to stay in context.
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You were given the link to the Gallup poll involved. Feel free to look at their declared methodology and their established reputation. Google can be your friend in this and you would have been wise to have consulted such before launching that absurd inference that they might have decided to only poll a single Muslim dominated neighbourhood.
I did not infer any such thing but I did suggest that that MAY have been the case, I do not know.....do you?.....who cares? polls are for dolls and are only a snapshot in time.....bugger me, you could ask me how I am on a monday morning or friday afternoon and get two different answers.

Who was it who said "get over yourself"?
Your suggestion was of course an attempt to undermine any value the poll might have had. Pure bias comes to mind. Polls are only ever an indicator, they do not and cannot give absolute answers and they can get it wrong. Nevertheless pollsters do have a reputation to look after, so some thought has to go into where and when polls are taken in order to obtain the best sense of feelings amongst the public on any one subject.
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Put me down as an average voter.  ::) Everything needs to be questioned today to get the truth of anything. As you must know from your own personal experience bias is endemic.
It would be handy for debate if you were able to stay in context.
Nothing is as black and white or as simple as some see it, and politics is rainbow hued. If a post stimulates an associated thought that is still debating the subject. Just ignore if you are so inclined. Its all grist for the mill and mine is multigrained
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It would be handy for debate if you were able to stay in context.
Nothing is as black and white or as simple as some see it, and politics is rainbow hued. If a post stimulates an associated thought that is still debating the subject. Just ignore if you are so inclined. Its all grist for the mill and mine is multigrained
Why are you still rambling on ?
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I did not infer any such thing but I did suggest that that MAY have been the case, I do not know.....do you?.....who cares? polls are for dolls and are only a snapshot in time.....bugger me, you could ask me how I am on a monday morning or friday afternoon and get two different answers.

Who was it who said "get over yourself"?
Your suggestion was of course an attempt to undermine any value the poll might have had. Pure bias comes to mind. Polls are only ever an indicator, they do not and cannot give absolute answers and they can get it wrong. Nevertheless pollsters do have a reputation to look after, so some thought has to go into where and when polls are taken in order to obtain the best sense of feelings amongst the public on any one subject.
Well, if you put such faith in pollsters then I take it that you would be only to happy to enter a turf accountants shop and lay out a £ton on the say so of such a well valued(apparently) pollster.

Can you confirm my expectation?

How would you have fared at the referendum result or the last GE had you believed the pollsters?
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Pragmatism.
You meant money didn't you? After all Saudi Arabia has hundreds of billions of Dollars invested in the US.

In other words it's a big pile of stinking hypocrisy.
He's looking after the interests of is own people, hypocritical or not He is taking the pragmatic approach not the moralistic one. No point failing for ones principles, for what matters is doing the right things for the right reasons. Trumps job is to look after the best interests of the {majority}American people as he sees fit.
At the moment he is the god of the copybook heading'

http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_copybook.htm
Except he isn't looking after his own people. Scaling back Obamacare and funding for suport agencies that help victims of violence against women is endangering ordinary people, as is his inaction on gun control and firearms represent a far, far greater threat to the safety of the American people than Islamic terrorism ever realistically could.

His actions are driven by ideological spite not alturism.
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Your suggestion was of course an attempt to undermine any value the poll might have had. Pure bias comes to mind. Polls are only ever an indicator, they do not and cannot give absolute answers and they can get it wrong. Nevertheless pollsters do have a reputation to look after, so some thought has to go into where and when polls are taken in order to obtain the best sense of feelings amongst the public on any one subject.
Well, if you put such faith in pollsters then I take it that you would be only to happy to enter a turf accountants shop and lay out a £ton on the say so of such a well valued(apparently) pollster.

Can you confirm my expectation?

How would you have fared at the referendum result or the last GE had you believed the pollsters?
:facepalm: My post contained the words .... "Polls are only ever an indicator, they do not and cannot give absolute answers and they can get it wrong".
So I think you need to think it out again.
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Jan 29 2017, 11:32 PM
I just think that cancelling Trumps State visit...... when he has already been invited, would compromise our chances of a trade agreement

Since this plea comes from mainly discontented Remain voters..... who would like nothing better than for negotiations to fail

I think it should be treated as disingenuous.

The spokesman has said she disapproves.....There is no ban on this sovereign soil
Now lets move on...there are bigger problems afoot.
Yes there are bigger problems afoot, thanks to Brexit we are in a desperate position.
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Jan 29 2017, 11:32 PM
I just think that cancelling Trumps State visit...... when he has already been invited, would compromise our chances of a trade agreement

Given the very real danger of the Tories signing a trade agreement with this in it:- Investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS), I think sinking any chance of a trade agreement similar to TTIP or CETA would be a good thing not a bad one unless there is no Investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) it.
Canada rues the day it signed such an agreement with America:-

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/publications/reports/nafta-chapter-11-investor-state-disputes-january-1-2015

http://rooseveltinstitute.org/beware-tpps-investor-state-dispute-settlement-provision/

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/01/14/canada-sued-investor-state-dispute-ccpa_n_6471460.html



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Nothing is as black and white or as simple as some see it, and politics is rainbow hued. If a post stimulates an associated thought that is still debating the subject. Just ignore if you are so inclined. Its all grist for the mill and mine is multigrained
Why are you still rambling on ?
Its called a right to free speech. Plenty more to come. ;D
Do I get the impression that you don't like being contradicted or your opinions challenged?
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Tales are beginning to appear on t'internet that people are being stopped in the street by US police and questioned on their immigration status.

Something some Americans may call 'unconstitutional', but others will say that it is the police acting 'for their safety' in light of recent events.

IS Trump going to purge the 'land of the free'?
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Tales are beginning to appear on t'internet that people are being stopped in the street by US police and questioned on their immigration status.

There is nothing new about that, I suspect it is how often it happened historically compared to since Trump's first day in office.
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Tales are beginning to appear on t'internet that people are being stopped in the street by US police and questioned on their immigration status.

There is nothing new about that, I suspect it is how often it happened historically compared to since Trump's first day in office.
Interestingly, there are literally hundreds of videos where self-proclaimed 'citizen journalists' confront the police and refuse to co-operate with their questions.

Never once have I heard any questioning to do with citizenship or immigration status, except those confrontations where the US Border Patrol has a 'checkpoint' 50 miles inside the Texas/Mexico border.



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1,217,297 signatures to the petition for him not to have a state visit

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Update: now 1,219,150 signatures

Going up at about 1,000 a minute :thumbsup:
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I'm sure the Queen holds her nose when some dodgy dictator has a 'State visit' and she has to pretend to like them.

Telling Trump that he's not welcome to come visit is not a good move in diplomacy street.

But we've entertained worse.
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Why are you still rambling on ?
Its called a right to free speech. Plenty more to come. ;D
Do I get the impression that you don't like being contradicted or your opinions challenged?
Look up the meaning of "rambling".
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How come everyone is isolating Trumpy as the main culprit of all these manifestos. He may well be the instigator but surely all
of his recommendations has to be vetted and passed by the Senate or Congress, just like our Prime minister cannot act before it
has been passed by Parliament. So others are in the frame as well for all these off the cuff acts of weirdism, or reforms as it has
been interpreted
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Jan 30 2017, 02:48 PM
How come everyone is isolating Trumpy as the main culprit of all these manifestos. He may well be the instigator but surely all
of his recommendations has to be vetted and passed by the Senate or Congress, just like our Prime minister cannot act before it
has been passed by Parliament. So others are in the frame as well for all these off the cuff acts of weirdism, or reforms as it has
been interpreted
Nope he has executive power. As long as his orders don't breach the constitution or require additional funds he has that despotic power.

Good brief here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28554842
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1,217,297 signatures to the petition for him not to have a state visit

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Update: now 1,219,150 signatures

Going up at about 1,000 a minute :thumbsup:
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Trump: 'This is not about religion, this is about terror'

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2017-01-29/trump-this-is-not-about-religion-this-is-about-terror/


MORE HYPOCRISY: Obama Banned all Iraqi Refugees for 6 Months in 2011 – Liberals SAID NOTHING!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/hypocrisy-obama-banned-iraqi-refugees-6-months-2011-liberals-said-nothing/



The above are repeat links, and I trust the relevance is not lost. How is it that when Obama issued such an executive order that encompassed the same countries that Trump targeted no one made a fuss? It's the same bloody order.  ::)
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Its called a right to free speech. Plenty more to come. ;D
Do I get the impression that you don't like being contradicted or your opinions challenged?
Look up the meaning of "rambling".
OK Rambling free speech but free speech never the less.
Now look up 'pedantic' and whilst your at it look up 'intolerance'.
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1,217,297 signatures to the petition for him not to have a state visit

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Update: now 1,219,150 signatures

Going up at about 1,000 a minute :thumbsup:
Probably mostly from, Immigrants Remainers, foreigners from the countries affected and left wing idealists.

Now how about another petition asking our Government and the Queen to invite Trump to a state visit in recognition of his support for the UK in our coming trade negotiations?
I always think petitions are pointless in judging public opinion unless another is run alongside seeking support for the opposite, and then both judged against each other.
If such a second petition exists can we have a link to it please, for I want to sign it, just to be able to properly judge public opinion on this issue.
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1,217,297 signatures to the petition for him not to have a state visit

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Update: now 1,219,150 signatures

Going up at about 1,000 a minute :thumbsup:
Probably mostly from, Immigrants Remainers, foreigners from the countries affected and left wing idealists.
Yep, Obama was pro EU and Trump is anti EU. This is about Brexit, and from reading comments within national press columns on issue, the people know it.


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Edited by Steve K, Jan 30 2017, 06:09 PM.
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Jan 30 2017, 01:15 PM
1,217,297 signatures to the petition for him not to have a state visit

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Update: now 1,219,150 signatures

Going up at about 1,000 a minute :thumbsup:
Probably mostly from, Immigrants Remainers, foreigners from the countries affected and left wing idealists.
Yep, Obama was pro EU and Trump is anti EU. This is about Brexit, and from reading comments within national press columns on issue, the people know it.


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Quite and totally shreds Tyto's wildly guessed 'point'

1,404,067 signatures now

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Trump: 'This is not about religion, this is about terror'


Its about ISIS. Those Countries on the (Obama) concern list are the home of ISIS. The Saudis aren't there yet.... because they have primarily Al Qaeda and are not doing so much now.

You don't have a God given right to gain entry to another persons autonomous country (Israelis have loads of bans).

Indeed, we have just voted against free movement of people because of the impact on local areas......so who are we to start dictating what someone else can do.

As for the notion that it will make more terrorists

Thant sounds a bit like a threat ... "do as I want or else"

The places who have been attacked the most in the last couple of years ......are Germany and France...... and they flung the doors wide open.

I think the outrage hear is disingenuous. Its Leave voters trying to sabotage our future deals........What? are we having nothing but demonstrations for the next couple of years?

I don't like the way the Saudis publically chop peoples heads off.......but I still put petrol in the car.
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1,217,297 signatures to the petition for him not to have a state visit

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Update: now 1,219,150 signatures

Going up at about 1,000 a minute :thumbsup:
Probably mostly from, Immigrants Remainers, foreigners from the countries affected and left wing idealists.
Yep, Obama was pro EU and Trump is anti EU. This is about Brexit, and from reading comments within national press columns on issue, the people know it.


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I would like to see an overlay of the map showing areas of highest concentrations of immigrant settlers. It would be interesting to see if demographics effected the voting concentrations or not.
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Yep, Obama was pro EU and Trump is anti EU. This is about Brexit, and from reading comments within national press columns on issue, the people know it.


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I would like to see an overlay of the map showing areas of highest concentrations of immigrant settlers. It would be interesting to see if demographics effected the voting concentrations or not.
I would like you to accept what is staring you in the face. You may support him but many more think the complete opposite
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttps://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Yep, Obama was pro EU and Trump is anti EU. This is about Brexit, and from reading comments within national press columns on issue, the people know it.


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I would like to see an overlay of the map showing areas of highest concentrations of immigrant settlers. It would be interesting to see if demographics effected the voting concentrations or not.
That would assume such immigrants voted remain, which is not the case. Many such immigrants also voted leave. However, what could be taken from map is where the highest concentration of signatories came from, which was largely areas that voted remain. Note this is not a poll or requires such, as every signatory had to include their location.
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1,217,297 signatures to the petition for him not to have a state visit

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Update: now 1,219,150 signatures

Going up at about 1,000 a minute :thumbsup:
What a load of horseshit - no, its not even worthy of being called shit.

Let me start by saying this: I 100% DISAGREE with the executive order regarding banning people from some Muslim nation from travelling to the US.

It is the wrong policy for mostly the wrong reasons, and will inevitably lead to the wrong outcomes.

That said: Trump was quite open that he intended to do this while campaigning AND the American public voted in such a manner as to grant him victory in the Presidential Election.

So we come to the reason for this petition: well, let's be honest there are no valid reasons.

People are supporting this petition because they don't like Trump - and there are a lot of reasons not to like him.

But what they are really voting against is the fact that the US elected him.

That is they are voting in this petition because they don't like that the democratic process may actually deliver results they don't personally like - mmmm, they'd make great EU Shee... ...erm, citizens.

In my opinion, anyone voting for this petition has probably already had an intellect bypass.


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Jan 30 2017, 07:34 PM
Steve K
Jan 30 2017, 01:15 PM
1,217,297 signatures to the petition for him not to have a state visit

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Update: now 1,219,150 signatures

Going up at about 1,000 a minute :thumbsup:
What a load of horseshit - no, its not even worthy of being called shit.

Let me start by saying this: I 100% DISAGREE with the executive order regarding banning people from some Muslim nation from travelling to the US.

It is the wrong policy for mostly the wrong reasons, and will inevitably lead to the wrong outcomes.

That said: Trump was quite open that he intended to do this while campaigning AND the American public voted in such a manner as to grant him victory in the Presidential Election.

So we come to the reason for this petition: well, let's be honest there are no valid reasons.

People are supporting this petition because they don't like Trump - and there are a lot of reasons not to like him.

But what they are really voting against is the fact that the US elected him.

That is they are voting in this petition because they don't like that the democratic process may actually deliver results they don't personally like - mmmm, they'd make great EU Shee... ...erm, citizens.

In my opinion, anyone voting for this petition has probably already had an intellect bypass.


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