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Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,595 Views)
C-too
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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Jan 30 2017, 07:34 PM
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Jan 30 2017, 01:15 PM
1,217,297 signatures to the petition for him not to have a state visit

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Update: now 1,219,150 signatures

Going up at about 1,000 a minute :thumbsup:
What a load of horseshit - no, its not even worthy of being called shit.

Let me start by saying this: I 100% DISAGREE with the executive order regarding banning people from some Muslim nation from travelling to the US.

It is the wrong policy for mostly the wrong reasons, and will inevitably lead to the wrong outcomes.

That said: Trump was quite open that he intended to do this while campaigning AND the American public voted in such a manner as to grant him victory in the Presidential Election.

So we come to the reason for this petition: well, let's be honest there are no valid reasons.

People are supporting this petition because they don't like Trump - and there are a lot of reasons not to like him.

But what they are really voting against is the fact that the US elected him.

That is they are voting in this petition because they don't like that the democratic process may actually deliver results they don't personally like - mmmm, they'd make great EU Shee... ...erm, citizens.

In my opinion, anyone voting for this petition has probably already had an intellect bypass.


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Hang on a second, don't you think you're being a tad presumptuous here?

You're talking about around 1 and a half million people you've never met but you apparently know what their motives are?

Well i signed the petition and I resent the accusation that doing so automatically makes me anti-Democratic.

Now if you really want to debate the subject I'll be happy to discuss my reasons with you, but if you're just going to tell me what my reasons are and condemn me for it i would rather you didn't bother.
Edited by Happy Hornet, Jan 30 2017, 07:44 PM.
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Trump petition has a 91 per cent correlation with second EU referendum signature constituencies

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So the bottom line is that support for this petition appears to be coming both from the sorts of areas where Brexit is strongly opposed and those that like signing petitions.

https://www.ncpolitics.uk/2017/01/trump-petition-91-per-cent-correlation-second-eu-referendum-signature-constituencies.html/



Note I also agree with much of what Pro Vertas posted. Further, a lot of people may had signed for variety of other reasons, but the top contender appears to support that it is really about Brexit.
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I think Trump and his policies are appalling. His latest 'policy' of a 90-day travel ban for all nationals of the seven Muslim majority countries is plainly discriminatory and against US law. I too think it has echoes of 1930s Germany treatment towards Jewish people. This ban affects people in our own country. I was watching Andrew Marr yesterday and Tory MP Nadhim Zahawi, who was born Iraq, condemned Trump's policy as "cruel" and "discriminatory", before revealing the fact that he too is banned from seeing his two children who are studying in America. He said the policy is "demeaning" and sad." He is totally right. This 90-day ban and seven countries could be the start of something even worse and be indefinite and cover all countries. We just don't know with this man.   

Why should all Muslims in these countries and of other countries be tarred with the same brush for the actions of a tiny minority who engage in terrorist attacks? I was reading something Billy Bragg (the singer/songwriter) posted on Facebook about the number of Americans killed annually over a ten-year average by certain groups of people and events. All Islamic Jihadist terrorists killed 9 Americans annually, compared to 11,737 who were killed after being shot by another American. Things such as being hit by a bus, lawnmowers and lightning killed more Americans. So in the words of Bragg,  "If Trump really wants to make Americans safer, maybe there's something else that he should ban?" Guns.

Another point - I also thought Theresa May's response to Trump's Muslim policy was a cowardly disgrace. I understand the need for May to strike trade deals, especially in a post-Brexit environment, but is our "special relationship" with America really worth maintaining at the expense of morals and values of decency and tolerance and human rights? In failing to condemn Trump's 90-day Muslim ban, May is almost as bad. 
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Barack Obama Praises Protests Against President Trump's Immigration Ban: 'American Values Are at Stake'

http://time.com/4653909/barack-obama-immigration-ban-protests/




Had to include this one. Hypocrisy at its best [see previous posts complete with links]! Trump implemented Obama's own policy. !jk!

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Trump Follows Obama’s Lead in Flexing Executive Muscle

WASHINGTON — When President Obama relied heavily on executive orders to push through policies that had no chance in Congress, Republicans called him a dictator who abused his power and disregarded the Constitution. They even took him to court.

“We have an increasingly lawless presidency where he is actually doing the job of Congress, writing new policies and laws without going through Congress,” Representative Paul D. Ryan, then the Budget Committee chairman, said in a 2014 television interview after Mr. Obama made clear in his State of the Union address that he would readily take unilateral action to get his way.

Now President Trump, at the start of his tenure, is relying heavily on executive actions not just to reverse Obama administration initiatives, but to enact new federal policies covering immigration, health care and other areas in ways that could be seen more as the province of the House and Senate. And he is doing that with clear Republican majorities in Congress.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-executive-orders.html?_r=0
Edited by Phoenix One UK, Jan 30 2017, 08:07 PM.
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Let's face it Trump is a highly divisive figure and the US is heading in a direction that is going to make the already wide divisions in society even bigger.

Hard not to laugh really.
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Jan 30 2017, 07:34 PM
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Jan 30 2017, 01:15 PM
1,217,297 signatures to the petition for him not to have a state visit

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Update: now 1,219,150 signatures

Going up at about 1,000 a minute :thumbsup:
What a load of horseshit - no, its not even worthy of being called shit. . .
 ::) if it's not too much trouble perhaps you could say just what about my post was 'horseshit' as it sure looks like 100% facts to me. Perhaps it's your outburst that's actually horseshit

BTW it's now 1,493,411 signatures
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Jan 29 2017, 11:07 PM
He's looking after the interests of is own people, hypocritical or not He is taking the pragmatic approach not the moralistic one. No point failing for ones principles, for what matters is doing the right things for the right reasons.
Not so long ago 15 Saudi citizens with backing from those within the kingdom itself crashed some planes into some buildings.Several persons of interest left the US by private jets a few hours later.

I think you can juggle with words like pragmatism and hypocrisy as much as you like, but you can't deny the consequences of such an idle philosophy.
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Jan 30 2017, 08:55 PM
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Jan 29 2017, 11:07 PM
He's looking after the interests of is own people, hypocritical or not He is taking the pragmatic approach not the moralistic one. No point failing for ones principles, for what matters is doing the right things for the right reasons.
Not so long ago 15 Saudi citizens with backing from those within the kingdom itself crashed some planes into some buildings.Several persons of interest left the US by private jets a few hours later.

I think you can juggle with words like pragmatism and hypocrisy as much as you like, but you can't deny the consequences of such an idle philosophy.
I believe we would be entering the realm of conspiracy theories on points raised, and I trust you will agree that such are near on impossible to prove. This does not even imply you are wrong, but suggests you may have a great deal of difficulty proving such to be the case.

Moving on, I trust the following may interest some:

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In Face of Trump’s Order, Some Muslim Nations Are Conspicuously Silent

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/world/middleeast/donald-trump-muslims-reaction.html?_r=1



The above was extracted from New York Times, though I originally read the article on some middle east site. Other publishers have also been running the story, as surf of net will reveal.

On separate issue, I note the Brexit Bill is set to pass without amendments. I believe a number of publishers will be running the story, assuming they had not already.
Edited by Phoenix One UK, Jan 30 2017, 09:12 PM.
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Jan 30 2017, 08:32 PM
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Jan 30 2017, 07:34 PM
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Jan 30 2017, 01:15 PM
1,217,297 signatures to the petition for him not to have a state visit

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Update: now 1,219,150 signatures

Going up at about 1,000 a minute :thumbsup:
What a load of horseshit - no, its not even worthy of being called shit. . .
 ::) if it's not too much trouble perhaps you could say just what about my post was 'horseshit' as it sure looks like 100% facts to me. Perhaps it's your outburst that's actually horseshit

BTW it's now 1,493,411 signatures
Theresa May is suddenly very quiet!

How do you say "lickspittle" in England?
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Gone past 1.5 million 1,513,620
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Jan 30 2017, 09:13 PM
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Jan 30 2017, 08:32 PM
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Jan 30 2017, 07:34 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttps://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
 ::) if it's not too much trouble perhaps you could say just what about my post was 'horseshit' as it sure looks like 100% facts to me. Perhaps it's your outburst that's actually horseshit

BTW it's now 1,493,411 signatures
Theresa May is suddenly very quiet!

How do you say "lickspittle" in England?
Trump will not be banned, and the petition was rejected. Surf for details.
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Jan 30 2017, 05:24 PM
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Jan 30 2017, 02:32 PM
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Jan 30 2017, 11:21 AM

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Look up the meaning of "rambling".
OK Rambling free speech but free speech never the less.
Now look up 'pedantic' and whilst your at it look up 'intolerance'.
Look up context, then ask yourself why you are just rambling about anything while avoiding the context. Perhaps you have a short memory and have forgotten the context ? Or perhaps you are deliberately avoiding the context ?
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Jan 30 2017, 09:12 PM
I believe we would be entering the realm of conspiracy theories on points raised, and I trust you will agree that such are near on impossible to prove. This does not even imply you are wrong, but suggests you may have a great deal of difficulty proving such to be the case.



:facepalm:

Excuse me! There was nothing in my post that was even remotely conspiracy theory, the facts were being quoted.

Get a grip man!
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How do you say "lickspittle" in England?
"Tory"
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Jan 30 2017, 09:13 PM
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Jan 30 2017, 08:32 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttps://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Theresa May is suddenly very quiet!

How do you say "lickspittle" in England?
Trump will not be banned, and the petition was rejected. Surf for details.
Is the protest against Trump unique in presidential elections ?
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Jan 30 2017, 09:15 PM
Trump will not be banned, and the petition was rejected. Surf for details.
There has been no government response to the petition:-
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
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Jan 30 2017, 09:39 PM
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Jan 30 2017, 09:15 PM
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Jan 30 2017, 09:13 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttps://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Trump will not be banned, and the petition was rejected. Surf for details.
Is the protest against Trump unique in presidential elections ?
Its interesting that this petition has been steadily increasing over the past 24 hours and shows no indication of slowing down.
I dont think anyone can give a blanket reason as to why people support it, because the reasons are many.
However generally its a rejection of both Trump and May.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

1 538 000 and steadily increasing, it wouldnt supprise me if this gets above 5 million.

However for those that have the opposite view, and think that Trump should visit the UK, the following petition is available to sign.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

27 700 signatures and steadily increasing..
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https://petition.parliament.uk/

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Jan 30 2017, 09:31 PM
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Jan 30 2017, 09:12 PM
I believe we would be entering the realm of conspiracy theories on points raised, and I trust you will agree that such are near on impossible to prove. This does not even imply you are wrong, but suggests you may have a great deal of difficulty proving such to be the case.



:facepalm:

Excuse me! There was nothing in my post that was even remotely conspiracy theory, the facts were being quoted.

Get a grip man!
Then I guess I misinterpreted your post. Oh well, such is life! :)
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Jan 30 2017, 09:58 PM
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Trump will not be banned, and the petition was rejected. Surf for details.
There has been no government response to the petition:-
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
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UK govt rejects 1.1mn-strong petition to cancel Trump state visit


Published time: 30 Jan, 2017 08:48

https://www.rt.com/uk/375570-trump-uk-visit-petition/



The above was extracted from RT, and they were not the only ones reporting rejection of said petition, as surf of net will support.
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Jan 30 2017, 10:17 PM

The above was extracted from RT, and they were not the only ones reporting rejection of said petition, as surf of net will support.
I could not give a monkeys about net surfing. Until the government makes an official comment on the epetitions website any comment is kite flying or speculation.
The RT link states reportedly, which means speculation not actuality.
Edited by papasmurf, Jan 30 2017, 10:26 PM.
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Jan 30 2017, 10:17 PM
The above was extracted from RT, and they were not the only ones reporting rejection of said petition, as surf of net will support.
But the article does not support the headline does it

That they likely will reject it isn't the point, the point is that it may well motivate discovery that diaries clash etc such that the invite stays on file and goes no further.
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Jan 30 2017, 10:24 PM


That they likely will reject it isn't the point, the point is that it may well motivate discovery that diaries clash etc such that the invite stays on file and goes no further.
I suspect it could happen the Queen is to ill to deal with a state visit and Prince (Tree Hugger) Charles will be deputised.
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Phoenix One UK
Jan 30 2017, 10:17 PM
The above was extracted from RT, and they were not the only ones reporting rejection of said petition, as surf of net will support.
But the article does not support the headline does it

That they likely will reject it isn't the point, the point is that it may well motivate discovery that diaries clash etc such that the invite stays on file and goes no further.
Quote:
 
No 10 rejects calls to cancel Trump state visit as more than a million sign petition

Downing Street has rejected calls to axe the state visit planned for Donald Trump following widespread outrage over his travel ban on people from certain countries.

More than one million people have signed a petition stating Mr Trump should not be given a state visit.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2017-01-30/more-than-a-million-back-petition-to-stop-trump-state-visit/



The headline is very clear with above extracted from ITV. The petition was rejected. A surf of net will show multiple articles/broadcasters running the story.

 ::)
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Jan 30 2017, 10:28 PM
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That they likely will reject it isn't the point, the point is that it may well motivate discovery that diaries clash etc such that the invite stays on file and goes no further.
I suspect it could happen the Queen is to ill to deal with a state visit and Prince (Tree Hugger) Charles will be deputised.
There have been noises that Trump had said he would refuse to meet Charles
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Jan 30 2017, 10:33 PM
The headline is very clear with above extracted from ITV. The petition was rejected. A surf of net will show multiple articles/broadcasters running the story.

 ::)
Yes that would fool those who only read headlines and not the underlying articles that don't support them

Perhaps you weren't aware that RT.com is a Putin Poodle Publication


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The headline is very clear with above extracted from ITV. The petition was rejected. A surf of net will show multiple articles/broadcasters running the story.

 ::)
The headline can state what it likes, until there is a comment by the government on the epetitions website the stories are speculation.
Edited by papasmurf, Jan 30 2017, 10:37 PM.
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Jan 30 2017, 10:33 PM


The headline is very clear with above extracted from ITV. The petition was rejected. A surf of net will show multiple articles/broadcasters running the story.

 ::)
The headline can state what it likes, until there is a comment by the government on the epetitions website the stories are speculation.
Really? The headlines say a great many things over the years, including resulting in many debates on this and other forums. Take away those headlines, and you are left with little to debate. Those headlines are either correct or not, which include those anti-Trump headlines that had been debated within this very thread. Now, should we ignore all of them unless confirmed by government, UK, USA, etc?  ::)

Oh, the ITV link included extract from petition site. Suggest you use the link supplied.  ::)
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Oh, the ITV link included extract from petition site. Suggest you use the link supplied.  ::)
I have there is as yet NO comment from government:-

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928


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Oh, the ITV link included extract from petition site. Suggest you use the link supplied.  ::)
I have there is as yet NO comment from government:-

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928


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Yep, seen it. Gov still rejected it though. Good luck showing otherwise.  ::)
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Yep, seen it. Gov still rejected it though. Good luck showing otherwise.  ::)
The government has made no comment, on the subject, media/press comment is speculation.
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Yep, seen it. Gov still rejected it though. Good luck showing otherwise.  ::)
Do stop the trolling Ph 1.

You are posting fake news and resorting to the troll's defence of saying go on prove it's untrue

If you like that concept so much prove you're not an agent for Putin then.

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Oh, the ITV link included extract from petition site. Suggest you use the link supplied.  ::)
I have there is as yet NO comment from government:-

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928


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1,217,297 signatures to the petition for him not to have a state visit

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Update: now 1,219,150 signatures

Going up at about 1,000 a minute :thumbsup:
What a load of horseshit - no, its not even worthy of being called shit.

Let me start by saying this: I 100% DISAGREE with the executive order regarding banning people from some Muslim nation from travelling to the US.

It is the wrong policy for mostly the wrong reasons, and will inevitably lead to the wrong outcomes.

That said: Trump was quite open that he intended to do this while campaigning AND the American public voted in such a manner as to grant him victory in the Presidential Election.

So we come to the reason for this petition: well, let's be honest there are no valid reasons.

People are supporting this petition because they don't like Trump - and there are a lot of reasons not to like him.

But what they are really voting against is the fact that the US elected him.

That is they are voting in this petition because they don't like that the democratic process may actually deliver results they don't personally like - mmmm, they'd make great EU Shee... ...erm, citizens.

In my opinion, anyone voting for this petition has probably already had an intellect bypass.


All The Best
I was told today that there are 15 countries that ban the entrance of Jews, some being the countries banned by Trump
Where are the marches and petitions protesting about that and their leaders?
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Gov ha been reported as rejecting the petition. A lot of newscasters are in serious trouble if not true.

Reported? Are you really gullible enough to be taken in by such lax wording?

I take it you also missed the emergency debate in the House of Commons this afternoon.
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Jan 30 2017, 10:47 PM
Yep, seen it. Gov still rejected it though. Good luck showing otherwise.  ::)
Do stop the trolling Ph 1.

You are posting fake news and resorting to the troll's defence of saying go on prove it's untrue

If you like that concept so much prove you're not an agent for Putin then.

Fake news? . . . . Try surfing the net. Its making headlines across the board.  ::)

Gov ha been reported as rejecting the petition. A lot of newscasters are in serious trouble if not true.

Where does it go from here? Over 100,000 signatures means it will be debated by Parliament.
Is that the fact, or will it be considered to be debated by Parliament? I am not certain that there is any compulsion that it must be.
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Jan 30 2017, 10:47 PM
Yep, seen it. Gov still rejected it though. Good luck showing otherwise.  ::)
Do stop the trolling Ph 1.

You are posting fake news and resorting to the troll's defence of saying go on prove it's untrue

If you like that concept so much prove you're not an agent for Putin then.

Fake news? . . . . Try surfing the net. Its making headlines across the board.  ::)

Gov ha been reported as rejecting the petition. A lot of newscasters are in serious trouble if not true.

Where does it go from here? Over 100,000 signatures means it will be debated by Parliament.
Perhaps you need to post up some links to such then

Perhaps you should think through your big statements. If the petition has been rejected then it would not be on the government web site would it? But look it still is 1,570,381 signatures

Of course they will reject it but first they have to let it run its course and that's the point. The petition is making Teresa May look like the complete toady she has been.
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papasmurf
Jan 30 2017, 10:57 PM
Phoenix One UK
Jan 30 2017, 10:54 PM


Gov ha been reported as rejecting the petition. A lot of newscasters are in serious trouble if not true.

Reported? Are you really gullible enough to be taken in by such lax wording?

I take it you also missed the emergency debate in the House of Commons this afternoon.
Nope, and I am not gullible enough to believe anything you or SteveK says either. Hmm, I seem to recall we locked horns on original site where you kept throwing datasets at me saying they could not be falsified. I believe I showed they could. Shut you up then. Do you recall? Care to guess the relevance? :rubchin:
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Desperate Tories toadying to Trump? Please be our new best friend Donald we've just fallen out with our neighbours!

G. Bush - in power for 978 days before being offered state visit.

Obama - in power for 758 days before being offered a state.

Trump - in power for 7 days before being offered state visit.

Talk about fucking desperate, what a bunch of grovelling creeps!

!puke!

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papasmurf
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Phoenix One UK
Jan 30 2017, 10:54 PM
Over 100,000 signatures means it will be debated by Parliament.
No it doesn't it means it will be considered for debate in parliament. Numerous petitions have got over 100000 signatures and not been debated in parliament.
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