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Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,590 Views)
C-too
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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Feb 3 2017, 10:56 AM
What a convoluted argument.
It's quite simple. A democracy has an elected government and an opposition. How are the opposition supposed to function without criticising the incumbent government?

A great many majority viewpoints today did not start out that way, a minority won the majority over to their point of view. This process often involved protest to draw attention to the impact of certain policies.

Once upon a time the majority believed women should not be allowed to vote, would you condemn the suffragettes for challenging the status quo?
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If you talk in a non insulting manner and avoid shouting then fine. To contrast discussion with threats and insults is stretching it, hence my 'convoluted' statement. Once people take to the streets and do criminal damage and insight violence then discussion is over and the opportunity for opposition is lost/wasted. Chucking things off buildings in a Ferry style is not democratic. Smashing windows and rioting in the centre of London/New York etc is criminal. To compare what we all see is going on with democracy is crass.
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Oh dear the historical comparison approach, "Trump, see that womens rights things, see that two world war thingy, see slavery, see blah blah blah... Well that's what you get if you put up with Trump."

Got to do something useful. Bye.
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Feb 3 2017, 11:25 AM
If you talk in a non insulting manner and avoid shouting then fine. To contrast discussion with threats and insults is stretching it, hence my 'convoluted' statement. Once people take to the streets and do criminal damage and insight violence then discussion is over and the opportunity for opposition is lost/wasted. Chucking things off buildings in a Ferry style is not democratic. Smashing windows and rioting in the centre of London/New York etc is criminal. To compare what we all see is going on with democracy is crass.
At no point have I condoned violence or criminal behaviour, on the contrary I condemn it.

What I have done is challenge the notion that because Trump is elected he cannot be challenged / criticised.
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Feb 3 2017, 11:25 AM
If you talk in a non insulting manner and avoid shouting then fine. To contrast discussion with threats and insults is stretching it, hence my 'convoluted' statement. Once people take to the streets and do criminal damage and insight violence then discussion is over and the opportunity for opposition is lost/wasted. Chucking things off buildings in a Ferry style is not democratic. Smashing windows and rioting in the centre of London/New York etc is criminal. To compare what we all see is going on with democracy is crass.
A bit of civil unrest never hurt anyone. ;-)

The more serious point is when you have hideously divided societies such as we now see in the US and UK demonstrations and protests are inevitable, it's the direct result of inequality and social mismanagement that allows millions to be left behind.

Perhaps it's the bullshitting politicians who should take a long hard look at themselves?
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Feb 3 2017, 11:29 AM
Oh dear the historical comparison approach, "Trump, see that womens rights things, see that two world war thingy, see slavery, see blah blah blah... Well that's what you get if you put up with Trump."

Got to do something useful. Bye.
That's not what I said at all.

What I am saying is that history has taught us that majority viewpoints often start out as minority viewpoints and protest against the status quo were a key part of the transition.
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Feb 3 2017, 10:26 AM
A rather insulting and immature post. care to explain?
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Feb 3 2017, 10:41 AM
He has a mandate to do what he has done, the people told him to. I wish we had such choices in this country, unfortunately those who shout, shout loudest and longest and are not frightened to call names and if they could have one locked up, and as we see with FARAGE THEY WILL ATTEMPT TO SHUT YOU UP - LOSE JOB ETC ETC ETC. I would like the same exclusions in the UK, as would an awful lot of silenced people. You should hear it out there, mix with a few others and see people say 'what's wrong with that'?
A problem is he said a lot of contradictory things in his 'mandate' so it's not quite right to just pick the things he said on a Monday and not take into account what he said another day

And he has also sworn to uphold the US Constitution and not only are there are serious doubts his recent edicts are constitutional but that constitution upholds the right of protest to lobby the constitutionall empowered Senate to block his worst excesses
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Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM
Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
I wonder where his investment money comes from? After four bankruptcies paying 10¢ on the dollar and numerous cases of stiffing and short changing contractors, who the hell would take the risks of backing his ventures? Bloomberg said that he and his Wall Street cohorts all considered Trump to be a con man (on prime time, national television) and he likely wouldn't have access to easy investment money.

Who else might back him? The rich Chinese? They are far too pragmatic for that crap shoot. The Arabs? Perhaps. Some of the above pragmatism might apply. How about. ...... Russians? Lots of money to throw around.They would likely consideration a risky venture in America to be a better bet than a risky venture in Russia, Turkey, etc.

This is all just a theory, mind. Trump has jealously guarded against the release of ANY if his private financial ventures including his tax returns. Nobody knows where is seed money comes from. It is entirely plausible that Russian Oligarchs literally own him. If this is true and the truth comes out (which, in the internet age is almost inevitable) all of those retired Generals that he has surrounded himself with will get together to heave-ho him under the bus. If he is seen giving a Get-out-of-jail-for-free card to the Russians as they re-start their invasion of Ukraine, Trump could end up on trial for high treason.
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Feb 3 2017, 08:49 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 07:41 AM
He got voted in on a promise to do some things, this included. He does it and the anti-democratic so called 'democrats' and other lovies don't like it, tough they lost the election according to the rules under which they agreed to participate. Now I see a comparison of 1.7 million (ban) with 300K (allow), farcical. Time frame far different and also the vociferous nature of left wing bigots takes some beating, nothing better to do once signed on maybe.

At university we went to lectures and then the bar, they the students union meeting to shout at people.
So you have never once criticised a democratically elected government? I find that hard to believe.

Dissent is a crucial to the survival of democracy.
Yes dissent is crucial.

Not firebombing buildings,attacking people.

All I say is keep it up.

The right are starting to lose their patience with more commentators on the web saying they are pushing to far.

Now I don't know about you.But if only a tiny minority of the people who voted trump come out,to meet these fookin idiots head on,there is only gonna be one winner.As we all know these are republican gun owners and they don't fook about.These state militias can be mean sons of bitches

I do hope the little pieces of crap carry on doing what they are doing.Just to get the right out on the streets
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Feb 3 2017, 11:38 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 11:25 AM
If you talk in a non insulting manner and avoid shouting then fine. To contrast discussion with threats and insults is stretching it, hence my 'convoluted' statement. Once people take to the streets and do criminal damage and insight violence then discussion is over and the opportunity for opposition is lost/wasted. Chucking things off buildings in a Ferry style is not democratic. Smashing windows and rioting in the centre of London/New York etc is criminal. To compare what we all see is going on with democracy is crass.
At no point have I condoned violence or criminal behaviour, on the contrary I condemn it.

What I have done is challenge the notion that because Trump is elected he cannot be challenged / criticised.
What do you think they are doing all over the left wing media,"praising him ? "
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Feb 3 2017, 11:56 AM


This is all just a theory, mind. Trump has jealously guarded against the release of ANY if his private financial ventures including his tax returns. Nobody knows where is seed money comes from. It is entirely plausible that Russian Oligarchs literally own him. If this is true and the truth comes out (which, in the internet age is almost inevitable) all of those retired Generals that he has surrounded himself with will get together to heave-ho him under the bus. If he is seen giving a Get-out-of-jail-for-free card to the Russians as they re-start their invasion of Ukraine, Trump could end up on trial for high treason.
^ This is interesting, you may have heard that Deutsche Bank was recently fined for laundering Russian money into the global financial system, much of the money went into property, and as is now standard practice no individuals are to blame and we don't know all the details.
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Feb 3 2017, 12:06 PM


Now I don't know about you.But if only a tiny minority of the people who voted trump come out,to meet these fookin idiots head on,there is only gonna be one winner.As we all know these are republican gun owners and they don't fook about.These state militias can be mean sons of bitches



Nice to see you condemning violence but then advocating it again if you can't get your own way. ;D

You will be pleased to hear Trump that has also repealed some legislation that prevented certain people with mental health problems from owning guns.

What could possibly go wrong!
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Feb 3 2017, 12:07 PM
What do you think they are doing all over the left wing media,"praising him ? "
What "left wing" media?
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Feb 3 2017, 12:06 PM
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Feb 3 2017, 08:49 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 07:41 AM
He got voted in on a promise to do some things, this included. He does it and the anti-democratic so called 'democrats' and other lovies don't like it, tough they lost the election according to the rules under which they agreed to participate. Now I see a comparison of 1.7 million (ban) with 300K (allow), farcical. Time frame far different and also the vociferous nature of left wing bigots takes some beating, nothing better to do once signed on maybe.

At university we went to lectures and then the bar, they the students union meeting to shout at people.
So you have never once criticised a democratically elected government? I find that hard to believe.

Dissent is a crucial to the survival of democracy.
Yes dissent is crucial.

Not firebombing buildings,attacking people.

All I say is keep it up.

The right are starting to lose their patience with more commentators on the web saying they are pushing to far.

Now I don't know about you.But if only a tiny minority of the people who voted trump come out,to meet these fookin idiots head on,there is only gonna be one winner.As we all know these are republican gun owners and they don't fook about.These state militias can be mean sons of bitches

I do hope the little pieces of crap carry on doing what they are doing.Just to get the right out on the streets
How sick that a poster here wants to see mass murder.
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Would it fit the screen width? ;-)
I do not recall me having any holidays from here, but as for screen width.....well, you normally "fix it" ;-)
I get more time of from here than fookin santa claus :nono:
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What do you think they are doing all over the left wing media,"praising him ? "
What "left wing" media?
That's generally the media that doesn't do side boobs, rage & fury plus endless stories on people with funny accents.You know the ones I mean.
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Feb 3 2017, 12:15 PM
I get more time of from here than fookin santa claus :nono:
Your sexual preferences are surely off topic ;-)
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Feb 3 2017, 12:06 PM
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Feb 3 2017, 08:49 AM

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Yes dissent is crucial.

Not firebombing buildings,attacking people.

All I say is keep it up.

The right are starting to lose their patience with more commentators on the web saying they are pushing to far.

Now I don't know about you.But if only a tiny minority of the people who voted trump come out,to meet these fookin idiots head on,there is only gonna be one winner.As we all know these are republican gun owners and they don't fook about.These state militias can be mean sons of bitches

I do hope the little pieces of crap carry on doing what they are doing.Just to get the right out on the streets
How sick that a poster here wants to see mass murder.
I want to see order brought about and the only thing these left wing anarchists understand is VIOLENCE.As I said,don't push the militias.It takes one left wing idiot to run at someone with a pole and bang,your gone.In America this scenario would never convict.
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]That's generally the media that doesn't do side boobs, rage & fury plus endless stories on people with funny accents.You know the ones I mean.
Actually I don't know which one's you mean. Left wing media/press in Britain seems to be like rocking horse poo, Unicorns, Yeti, and Susquatch, non existent.
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I get more time of from here than fookin santa claus :nono:
Your sexual preferences are surely off topic ;-)
Just making a statement of FACT
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Feb 3 2017, 12:21 PM
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Feb 3 2017, 12:15 PM
I get more time of from here than fookin santa claus :nono:
Your sexual preferences are surely off topic ;-)
Just making a statement of FACT
Fact eh? So when (presumably in your dreams) you are "fookin Santa Claus" is Rudolph involved in some bizarre threesome?

Penny dropped yet?
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Feb 3 2017, 11:56 AM
C-too
Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM
Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
I wonder where his investment money comes from? After four bankruptcies paying 10¢ on the dollar and numerous cases of stiffing and short changing contractors, who the hell would take the risks of backing his ventures? Bloomberg said that he and his Wall Street cohorts all considered Trump to be a con man (on prime time, national television) and he likely wouldn't have access to easy investment money.

Who else might back him? The rich Chinese? They are far too pragmatic for that crap shoot. The Arabs? Perhaps. Some of the above pragmatism might apply. How about. ...... Russians? Lots of money to throw around.They would likely consideration a risky venture in America to be a better bet than a risky venture in Russia, Turkey, etc.

This is all just a theory, mind. Trump has jealously guarded against the release of ANY if his private financial ventures including his tax returns. Nobody knows where is seed money comes from. It is entirely plausible that Russian Oligarchs literally own him. If this is true and the truth comes out (which, in the internet age is almost inevitable) all of those retired Generals that he has surrounded himself with will get together to heave-ho him under the bus. If he is seen giving a Get-out-of-jail-for-free card to the Russians as they re-start their invasion of Ukraine, Trump could end up on trial for high treason.
Why don't you give it a rest ?

Where does Hilary investment money come from ?

Come to think of it where does the Clinton investment money come from ?

Have you listened to the real people of HAITI lately ?

Do yourself a favour and go research it,it may blow your adoring mind.
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Feb 3 2017, 12:18 PM
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Feb 3 2017, 12:06 PM

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How sick that a poster here wants to see mass murder.
I want to see order brought about and the only thing these left wing anarchists understand is VIOLENCE.As I said,don't push the militias.It takes one left wing idiot to run at someone with a pole and bang,your gone.In America this scenario would never convict.
Tell us all xosg, who do you vote for?







Now that Hitler's dead
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Feb 3 2017, 11:56 AM
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Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM
Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
I wonder where his investment money comes from? After four bankruptcies paying 10¢ on the dollar and numerous cases of stiffing and short changing contractors, who the hell would take the risks of backing his ventures? Bloomberg said that he and his Wall Street cohorts all considered Trump to be a con man (on prime time, national television) and he likely wouldn't have access to easy investment money.

Who else might back him? The rich Chinese? They are far too pragmatic for that crap shoot. The Arabs? Perhaps. Some of the above pragmatism might apply. How about. ...... Russians? Lots of money to throw around.They would likely consideration a risky venture in America to be a better bet than a risky venture in Russia, Turkey, etc.

This is all just a theory, mind. Trump has jealously guarded against the release of ANY if his private financial ventures including his tax returns. Nobody knows where is seed money comes from. It is entirely plausible that Russian Oligarchs literally own him. If this is true and the truth comes out (which, in the internet age is almost inevitable) all of those retired Generals that he has surrounded himself with will get together to heave-ho him under the bus. If he is seen giving a Get-out-of-jail-for-free card to the Russians as they re-start their invasion of Ukraine, Trump could end up on trial for high treason.
Why don't you give it a rest ?

Where does Hilary investment money come from ?

Come to think of it where does the Clinton investment money come from ?

Have you listened to the real people of HAITI lately ?

Do yourself a favour and go research it,it may blow your adoring mind.
We did that fake news story before and your false story was shredded
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Now I don't know about you.But if only a tiny minority of the people who voted trump come out,to meet these fookin idiots head on,there is only gonna be one winner.As we all know these are republican gun owners and they don't fook about.These state militias can be mean sons of bitches



Nice to see you condemning violence but then advocating it again if you can't get your own way. ;D

You will be pleased to hear Trump that has also repealed some legislation that prevented certain people with mental health problems from owning guns.

What could possibly go wrong!
Lets hope things don't go wrong.Hey
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I want to see order brought about and the only thing these left wing anarchists understand is VIOLENCE.As I said,don't push the militias.It takes one left wing idiot to run at someone with a pole and bang,your gone.In America this scenario would never convict.
No get it right, the only thing you understand is violence!

Remind us again who was advocating the US took on China in a war?
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Feb 3 2017, 12:07 PM
What do you think they are doing all over the left wing media,"praising him ? "
What "left wing" media?
You may as well go back into hibernation if you think the media is not left wing.Even Tigger and Ctoo could answer that question with their over exuberant adoration of the left,shall we say !jk!
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Lets hope things don't go wrong.Hey
But if they do at least everyone has a gun to defend themselves with! Right? :thumbsup:
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Feb 3 2017, 12:21 PM
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Just making a statement of FACT
Fact eh? So when (presumably in your dreams) you are "fookin Santa Claus" is Rudolph involved in some bizarre threesome?

Penny dropped yet?
I got it first time.But decided it was not worth my undivided attention or warrant a rebuttal.

Hey look at all those fancy words.All from a knuckle dragging human being with no education. Learning fast hey TIGS ;D
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I want to see order brought about and the only thing these left wing anarchists understand is VIOLENCE.As I said,don't push the militias.It takes one left wing idiot to run at someone with a pole and bang,your gone.In America this scenario would never convict.
Tell us all xosg, who do you vote for?







Now that Hitler's dead
I vote for the side of righteousness,how about you ?
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Why don't you give it a rest ?

Where does Hilary investment money come from ?

Come to think of it where does the Clinton investment money come from ?

Have you listened to the real people of HAITI lately ?

Do yourself a favour and go research it,it may blow your adoring mind.
We did that fake news story before and your false story was shredded
Really ? So you don't listen to the real people who it affects ?

You would rather take it from the media,graphs and statistics ?

It is your opinion you shredded it,not mine or the real people who it affects.
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I want to see order brought about and the only thing these left wing anarchists understand is VIOLENCE.As I said,don't push the militias.It takes one left wing idiot to run at someone with a pole and bang,your gone.In America this scenario would never convict.
No get it right, the only thing you understand is violence!

Remind us again who was advocating the US took on China in a war?
I don't know you tell me
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Tell us all xosg, who do you vote for?







Now that Hitler's dead
I vote for the side of righteousness,how about you ?
Well I do which is why I'd never advocate the use of lethal vigilante force to suppress fair comment

But you did


You affect to be for "for the side of righteousness". But your posts say you don't really know what it means
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Lets hope things don't go wrong.Hey
But if they do at least everyone has a gun to defend themselves with! Right? :thumbsup:
GOT IT IN ONE BOYO :thumbsup:

And Bazookas,and hand grenades,and machine guns.

Guns,phew their for wimps :P
Edited by xosg, Feb 3 2017, 12:39 PM.
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I vote for the side of righteousness,how about you ?
Well I do which is why I'd never advocate the use of lethal vigilante force to suppress fair comment

But you did


You affect to be for "for the side of righteousness". But your posts say you don't really know what it means
Just look at the side you are supporting at the moment :facepalm:

I certainly will not take advice from anarchists
Edited by xosg, Feb 3 2017, 12:42 PM.
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Well I do which is why I'd never advocate the use of lethal vigilante force to suppress fair comment

But you did


You affect to be for "for the side of righteousness". But your posts say you don't really know what it means
Just look at the side you are supporting at the moment :facepalm:

I certainly will not take advice from anarchists
Nor should you. In this line of debate I'm supporting the US Constitution, question is why aren't you?

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Feb 3 2017, 12:26 PM
Lets hope things don't go wrong.Hey
But if they do at least everyone has a gun to defend themselves with! Right? :thumbsup:
GOT IT IN ONE BOYO :thumbsup:

And Bazookas,and hand grenades,and machine guns.

Guns,phew their for wimps :P
Gun rights in the US are bordering on a form of metal illness, the idea back in the 18th century was that an armed populace was the best defence against government.

Roll on 200 odd years and the ownership of muskets has been replaced with the ownership of heavy machine guns, pistols with extended magazines and the worship of firearms! But the government has stealth jets and drones!

Bit sick isn't it given the tens of thousands of Americans who die at the hands of other Americans every single year?
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Feb 3 2017, 12:46 PM
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Feb 3 2017, 12:37 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep"for the side of righteousness". But your posts say you don't really know what it means
Just look at the side you are supporting at the moment :facepalm:

I certainly will not take advice from anarchists
No should you. In this line of debate I'm supporting the US Constitution, question is why aren't you?

So are 65 million others who put trump in office.Funny thing that,don't ya think ?
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Feb 3 2017, 12:53 PM
Steve K
Feb 3 2017, 12:46 PM
xosg
Feb 3 2017, 12:41 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Nor should you. In this line of debate I'm supporting the US Constitution, question is why aren't you?

So are 65 million others who put trump in office.Funny thing that,don't ya think ?
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You saying they are so illiterate they can't read it?

https://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm

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