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you can open carry assault rifles in the US in some states also. I think regardless of background checks you are not allowed to open carry in those states,unless you are high profile of course So getting back to your original point, basically carrying guns in public is a good way of preventing lawful demonstrations.
Jeez..........
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you can open carry assault rifles in the US in some states also. I think regardless of background checks you are not allowed to open carry in those states,unless you are high profile of course
So getting back to your original point, basically carrying guns in public is a good way of preventing lawful demonstrations. Jeez.......... They are not demonstrations for fooksake.So in your warped judgement you would call UC Berkely a demo.Most people would call it a riot
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They are not demonstrations for fooksake.So in your warped judgement you would call UC Berkely a demo.Most people would call it a riot
That hole is getting rather deep isn't it? So concealed carry would have stopped a riot brought on by one of Trumps turdy mates who publishes fake news and conspiracy theories on his equally turdy website?
The US could then join nations like China and Iran by shooting dead those who take to the streets to protest against the state.
So much for George Washington's comments about the abuse of governments..........
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Feb 3 2017, 11:13 PM
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so  IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
I wonder where his investment money comes from? After four bankruptcies paying 10ยข on the dollar and numerous cases of stiffing and short changing contractors, who the hell would take the risks of backing his ventures? Bloomberg said that he and his Wall Street cohorts all considered Trump to be a con man (on prime time, national television) and he likely wouldn't have access to easy investment money. Who else might back him? The rich Chinese? They are far too pragmatic for that crap shoot. The Arabs? Perhaps. Some of the above pragmatism might apply. How about. ...... Russians? Lots of money to throw around.They would likely consideration a risky venture in America to be a better bet than a risky venture in Russia, Turkey, etc. This is all just a theory, mind. Trump has jealously guarded against the release of ANY if his private financial ventures including his tax returns. Nobody knows where is seed money comes from. It is entirely plausible that Russian Oligarchs literally own him. If this is true and the truth comes out (which, in the internet age is almost inevitable) all of those retired Generals that he has surrounded himself with will get together to heave-ho him under the bus. If he is seen giving a Get-out-of-jail-for-free card to the Russians as they re-start their invasion of Ukraine, Trump could end up on trial for high treason.
Why don't you give it a rest ? Where does Hilary investment money come from ? Come to think of it where does the Clinton investment money come from ? Have you listened to the real people of HAITI lately ? Do yourself a favour and go research it,it may blow your adoring mind. Give it a rest, eh? Just to be sure, I took another look at the name of this thread amd clearly says "D Trump" .You would like to deflect it off into a critique of the Clinton's except that one on them had not been President for a couple of decades and the other one didn't make it, so that deflection "I wonder where THEIR money came from" is about as relevant as looking back at the LBJ Presidency. Please try to stay in the here and now.
So, who finances him to the tune of billions of dollars? Don't try to tell me that it isn't important where truckloads of money flow from. Do little old ladies empty out their bisquit tins and sent to all to Donald? Bloomberg made it very clear that Wall Street thinks he's a cheat. Does he self- finance? With little Ivanka smashing her piggy bank to fill in the missing half bil after bankrupting a casino. BANKRUPTING CASINOS? He did that more than once ...running casinos into the ground. That's like losing money selling dope! It is quite plausible that the Russians DO back Trump. His reputation is dodgy and he has lost billions of other people's money. Most of the Russian money is also dodgy and is looking for some Western "respectability". Crete may not be such a fantastic investment opportunity after all .
Where do YOU think that his capital comes from?
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you can open carry assault rifles in the US in some states also. I think regardless of background checks you are not allowed to open carry in those states,unless you are high profile of course
So getting back to your original point, basically carrying guns in public is a good way of preventing lawful demonstrations. Jeez.......... Some dim bulb on a Canadian forum blurted out the standard NRA bullshyte that if the worshippers in thatmosque shooting in Quebec had been allowed to "carry", the death toll would have been significantly lower. I asked him if he was therefore advocating for mosques full of armed men and pointed out that CSIS and the RCMP will likely be paying him a visit. shortly.
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You can't impose a three line whip on public opinion.
But you can obviously be a hypocritical Labour party leader.....oh, so that is ok then. So who really cares what Corbyn gets up to ?
I was just attempting to put your reply back into context.
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Feb 4 2017, 12:37 AM
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But you can obviously be a hypocritical Labour party leader.....oh, so that is ok then.
So who really cares what Corbyn gets up to ? I was just attempting to put your reply back into context. Who cares????
I will tell you who fucking cares.....those that rely on a credible opposition party to hold the government of the day to account!!!
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Another judge has just blocked his immigration ban and this time it looks like a robust and wide ranging block on his order
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38864253
And seems his advisor has now been caught using fake news to supposedly justify his ban
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38857216
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A top aide to US President Donald Trump, Kellyanne Conway, has cited a "massacre" which never happened while defending the president's controversial immigration ban.
Ms Conway said Mr Obama brought in a six-month ban on Iraqis after the arrest of "the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre".
"Most people don't know that because it didn't get covered," she added.
In fact, there was no massacre at Bowling Green, Kentucky.
Leading to industrial grade piss taking
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They are not demonstrations for fooksake.So in your warped judgement you would call UC Berkely a demo.Most people would call it a riot
That hole is getting rather deep isn't it? So concealed carry would have stopped a riot brought on by one of Trumps turdy mates who publishes fake news and conspiracy theories on his equally turdy website? The US could then join nations like China and Iran by shooting dead those who take to the streets to protest against the state. So much for George Washington's comments about the abuse of governments.......... 1. So you now admit it was a riot,when pointed out to you ?
2. You are correct,you need to stop digging as that hole is about to fall in on itself AGAIN
3. I have noticed something about you that is quite disturbing. It is getting to be a common theme on here lately.You tend to exaggerate everything people say,to fit your own agenda and argument.
4. Having someone speak, does not justify leftist fookwits trashing property and beating people up.
5.One person with a gun or I prefer AR 15 who was willing to use it, would have stopped those fookwit snowflakes in their tracks.
6. As has been established and acknowledged by you,they where not protesting.So lets get away from this repetitive narrative that it was a protest/demo, it was a RIOT I suggest you go look the word up.
7. As far as I know,Trump or the government have abused no one yet.Especially the RIOTERS
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Why don't you give it a rest ? Where does Hilary investment money come from ? Come to think of it where does the Clinton investment money come from ? Have you listened to the real people of HAITI lately ? Do yourself a favour and go research it,it may blow your adoring mind.
Give it a rest, eh? Just to be sure, I took another look at the name of this thread amd clearly says "D Trump" .You would like to deflect it off into a critique of the Clinton's except that one on them had not been President for a couple of decades and the other one didn't make it, so that deflection "I wonder where THEIR money came from" is about as relevant as looking back at the LBJ Presidency. Please try to stay in the here and now. So, who finances him to the tune of billions of dollars? Don't try to tell me that it isn't important where truckloads of money flow from. Do little old ladies empty out their bisquit tins and sent to all to Donald? Bloomberg made it very clear that Wall Street thinks he's a cheat. Does he self- finance? With little Ivanka smashing her piggy bank to fill in the missing half bil after bankrupting a casino. BANKRUPTING CASINOS? He did that more than once ...running casinos into the ground. That's like losing money selling dope! It is quite plausible that the Russians DO back Trump. His reputation is dodgy and he has lost billions of other people's money. Most of the Russian money is also dodgy and is looking for some Western "respectability". Crete may not be such a fantastic investment opportunity after all . Where do YOU think that his capital comes from? All within the law.He has used the law to his advantage, just like every other billionaire.
so you would rather have had the lying bitch who is financed by foreign entities,namely the Saudis and the Chinese ?
Go on you choose,whose husband incidentally was in it up to his neck ?
Give me Trump any day of the week
http://time.com/4348675/terry-mcauliffe-hillary-clinton-china-investigation/
http://www.dailywire.com/news/8270/6-peoplecountries-bought-favors-hillary-clinton-ben-shapiro
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Give it a rest, eh? Just to be sure, I took another look at the name of this thread amd clearly says "D Trump" .You would like to deflect it off into a critique of the Clinton's except that one on them had not been President for a couple of decades and the other one didn't make it, so that deflection "I wonder where THEIR money came from" is about as relevant as looking back at the LBJ Presidency. Please try to stay in the here and now. So, who finances him to the tune of billions of dollars? Don't try to tell me that it isn't important where truckloads of money flow from. Do little old ladies empty out their bisquit tins and sent to all to Donald? Bloomberg made it very clear that Wall Street thinks he's a cheat. Does he self- finance? With little Ivanka smashing her piggy bank to fill in the missing half bil after bankrupting a casino. BANKRUPTING CASINOS? He did that more than once ...running casinos into the ground. That's like losing money selling dope! It is quite plausible that the Russians DO back Trump. His reputation is dodgy and he has lost billions of other people's money. Most of the Russian money is also dodgy and is looking for some Western "respectability". Crete may not be such a fantastic investment opportunity after all . Where do YOU think that his capital comes from?
All within the law.He has used the law to his advantage, just like every other billionaire. so you would rather have had the lying bitch who is financed by foreign entities,namely the Saudis and the Chinese ? Go on you choose,whose husband incidentally was in it up to his neck ? Give me Trump any day of the week http://time.com/4348675/terry-mcauliffe-hillary-clinton-china-investigation/http://www.dailywire.com/news/8270/6-peoplecountries-bought-favors-hillary-clinton-ben-shapiro There you go, switching Presidents, again.
What part of the States do you live in, btw?
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 Your to the left of Corbyn for fooksake Laugh away, I am to the far right on many issues. Where have I ever show support for any political party on this forum. Do not confuse my contempt for and hatred of the Tories with me having a political stance. Because I don't. The Tories are a very nasty shower and not fit for public office. A fair number of them in government should be behind bars for what they have done and are doing.
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7. As far as I know,Trump or the government have abused no one yet.Especially the RIOTERS
You appear to have missed Trump's executive order about the Dakota pipeline.
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Can Donald Trump read?
Apparently Mr Trump doesn't read much, can't name any books he's read, and obtains his news from TV newscasts.
He had a very expensive private education, but avoids reading, although he may find it difficult to read due to bad eyesight. He maybe to vain to wear any eyeglasses in public.
See link... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd79UsXSLWg
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So, the newest giggle from Trumpistan is that he's appointed the Evangelical Jerry Falwell Jr. to examine higher education, for him
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jerry-falwell-jr-asked-lead-trump-education-task-force-n715116
So much for the Science programs. Presumably, the Paleontologists get the sack on Day One and line up behind the Climate Scientists in the unemployment office. The well known anti-science bent of the Evangelicals ought to make America not-so-great, again. This administration just gets wackier every day.
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Most ordinary folk just want a nice life, if those who didn't try hard at school are fed up then they first need to understand why they are where they are, and that it's nobody else's fault.
Typical sneering liberal elite blah, blah, blah. But seriously, would you say the same thing to people who blame all their woes on immigration and the EU? We don't because we (the non liberal elite) worked hard at school. The division is because of people who did not work hard at school, that's your problem, and you cannot solve that by shouting louder.
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A rather insulting and immature post. care to explain?
My last comment should have ben a good indicator. NL were NOT a disaster for the country, so posting that they were suggests a lack of understanding, which may arise due to a lack of years on your part. i.e. you are possibly a rather young individual with strong opinions. And that would mean that any immaturity would be on your part. Alternatively you may be an older individual that has allowed biased insinuations in the Tory press to mould your opinions for you. Either way your comment made no sense. You say that NL created a chronic legacy that we are now trying to address. Does that mean that the chronic legacy that has befallen Western economise since 2008 and is now affecting world economies was created by NL ? Clearly that is not the case, so you must be missing out part of the equation. It's your opinion dude. Do you comprehend that others have a different view? Apologies for my late reply but others have a different life.
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Yes, and Jeremy Corbyn is testament to that......oh wait, was that a 3 line whip, you say?
You can't impose a three line whip on public opinion. You can and should impose the law.
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"How the swamp draining and taking on the wall Street elites going Donald?" "Great! I've just signed some new legislation." "Gee Donald thanks! We'll never have to worry about out of control bankers dumping toxic financial products onto the global markets again." "Yup! I'm going to stop the annual stress tests and do away with the need to hold capital reserves that cover initial losses and I'll also make it harder to prosecute financial crooks, many of who are my new best friends." "Um........." "Sad! Unpatriotic! Loser!" You bunch of American fuckwits! What will happen is that bottom feeders will riot, and hopefully the liberal elite (who need a place in heaven) will have become bored with bottom feeder rights and we can all get on with a democratically determined course of action.
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Typical sneering liberal elite blah, blah, blah. But seriously, would you say the same thing to people who blame all their woes on immigration and the EU?
We don't because we (the non liberal elite) worked hard at school. The division is because of people who did not work hard at school, that's your problem, and you cannot solve that by shouting louder. You say that but I've heard plenty of people blame poverty and unemployment on the EU and immigration, are you saying these people are wrong?
Plus how do you know how hard people did or didn't work at school?
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We don't because we (the non liberal elite) worked hard at school. The division is because of people who did not work hard at school, that's your problem, and you cannot solve that by shouting louder.
You say that but I've heard plenty of people blame poverty and unemployment on the EU and immigration, are you saying these people are wrong? Plus how do you know how hard people did or didn't work at school? Because I went to school (almost every day for 16 years and then university) and I have lived 56 years (apart from few in Belgium and Switzerland) in England.
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They are not demonstrations for fooksake.So in your warped judgement you would call UC Berkely a demo.Most people would call it a riot
That hole is getting rather deep isn't it? So concealed carry would have stopped a riot brought on by one of Trumps turdy mates who publishes fake news and conspiracy theories on his equally turdy website? The US could then join nations like China and Iran by shooting dead those who take to the streets to protest against the state. So much for George Washington's comments about the abuse of governments..........
1. So you now admit it was a riot,when pointed out to you ? 2. You are correct,you need to stop digging as that hole is about to fall in on itself AGAIN 3. I have noticed something about you that is quite disturbing. It is getting to be a common theme on here lately.You tend to exaggerate everything people say,to fit your own agenda and argument. 4. Having someone speak, does not justify leftist fookwits trashing property and beating people up. 5.One person with a gun or I prefer AR 15 who was willing to use it, would have stopped those fookwit snowflakes in their tracks. 6. As has been established and acknowledged by you,they where not protesting.So lets get away from this repetitive narrative that it was a protest/demo, it was a RIOT I suggest you go look the word up. 7. As far as I know,Trump or the government have abused no one yet.Especially the RIOTERS Your right . A great many accusations of what might happen, but very little of what has happened as a consequences of his directives.Whycant they just wait and see what does happen
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1. So you now admit it was a riot,when pointed out to you ? 2. You are correct,you need to stop digging as that hole is about to fall in on itself AGAIN 3. I have noticed something about you that is quite disturbing. It is getting to be a common theme on here lately.You tend to exaggerate everything people say,to fit your own agenda and argument. 4. Having someone speak, does not justify leftist fookwits trashing property and beating people up. 5.One person with a gun or I prefer AR 15 who was willing to use it, would have stopped those fookwit snowflakes in their tracks. 6. As has been established and acknowledged by you,they where not protesting.So lets get away from this repetitive narrative that it was a protest/demo, it was a RIOT I suggest you go look the word up. 7. As far as I know,Trump or the government have abused no one yet.Especially the RIOTERS
Your right . A great many accusations of what might happen, but very little of what has happened as a consequences of his directives.Whycant they just wait and see what does happen Why not discuss the possible implications of his proposed policies?
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1. So you now admit it was a riot,when pointed out to you ? 2. You are correct,you need to stop digging as that hole is about to fall in on itself AGAIN 3. I have noticed something about you that is quite disturbing. It is getting to be a common theme on here lately.You tend to exaggerate everything people say,to fit your own agenda and argument. 4. Having someone speak, does not justify leftist fookwits trashing property and beating people up. 5.One person with a gun or I prefer AR 15 who was willing to use it, would have stopped those fookwit snowflakes in their tracks. 6. As has been established and acknowledged by you,they where not protesting.So lets get away from this repetitive narrative that it was a protest/demo, it was a RIOT I suggest you go look the word up. 7. As far as I know,Trump or the government have abused no one yet.Especially the RIOTERS
Your right . A great many accusations of what might happen, but very little of what has happened as a consequences of his directives.Whycant they just wait and see what does happen So no families forcibly separated then? Err yes they have been
No people illegally detained in custody? Err yes they have been
No people have lost years of savings due to his (now ruled) illegal action? Err yes they have been
No people sacked just for doing their jobs Err yes they have been
No Yemeni civilians shot and bombed then? Err yes they have been
And that's just the start of his reign of abuse.
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What will happen is that bottom feeders will riot, and hopefully the liberal elite (who need a place in heaven) will have become bored with bottom feeder rights and we can all get on with a democratically determined course of action.
If I ever need to remind someone of what it means to be a Tory, I just might use this as quote.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepRIOT I suggest you go look the word up.
7. As far as I know,Trump or the government have abused no one yet.Especially the RIOTERS
Your right . A great many accusations of what might happen, but very little of what has happened as a consequences of his directives.Whycant they just wait and see what does happen
Why not discuss the possible implications of his proposed policies? Because that is often just scaremongering, or being politically opportunist. Currently the directives have caused some people inconvenience but the natural adjustments have taken place as they always do. There is no proof in speculations, but total truth in what happens where the unforeseen events will reveal themselves.. The time to try to anticipate them is before they happen, not after they are done and out of our control.
On the matter of his border control an example of what he is trying to prevent is the attack on police and citizens outside the Louvre in Paris. I appreciate that the attacker was Egyptian, but he was also a Muslim.
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 Your to the left of Corbyn for fooksake
Laugh away, I am to the far right on many issues. Where have I ever show support for any political party on this forum. Do not confuse my contempt for and hatred of the Tories with me having a political stance. Because I don't. The Tories are a very nasty shower and not fit for public office. A fair number of them in government should be behind bars for what they have done and are doing. You may not show support for any political party, but there is no doubt that you strongly oppose others, including the Conservative Government in Power and that certainly shows support for the left of politics IMO, and by implication support for the Labour and Liberal parties. Your certainly not holding a neutral position.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepRIOT I suggest you go look the word up.
7. As far as I know,Trump or the government have abused no one yet.Especially the RIOTERS
Why not discuss the possible implications of his proposed policies?
Because that is often just scaremongering, or being politically opportunist. Currently the directives have caused some people inconvenience but the natural adjustments have taken place as they always do. There is no proof in speculations, but total truth in what happens where the unforeseen events will reveal themselves.. The time to try to anticipate them is before they happen, not after they are done and out of our control. On the matter of his border control an example of what he is trying to prevent is the attack on police and citizens outside the Louvre in Paris. I appreciate that the attacker was Egyptian, but he was also a Muslim. You've said yourself what we say here has zero impact on the real world, so I fail to see what possible harm political speculation could do.
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You may not show support for any political party, but there is no doubt that you strongly oppose others, including the Conservative Government in Power and that certainly shows support for the left of politics IMO, and by implication support for the Labour and Liberal parties. Your certainly not holding a neutral position. I oppose the Conservatives because there are very nasty, not because they are right wing. They are not fit for public office. If Britain actually had a free press and Leveson were to be enforced. The electorate would stand a chance of seeing what the Tories are doing and not be blocked from it by the media/press.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepRIOT I suggest you go look the word up.
7. As far as I know,Trump or the government have abused no one yet.Especially the RIOTERS
Because that is often just scaremongering, or being politically opportunist. Currently the directives have caused some people inconvenience but the natural adjustments have taken place as they always do. There is no proof in speculations, but total truth in what happens where the unforeseen events will reveal themselves.. The time to try to anticipate them is before they happen, not after they are done and out of our control. On the matter of his border control an example of what he is trying to prevent is the attack on police and citizens outside the Louvre in Paris. I appreciate that the attacker was Egyptian, but he was also a Muslim.
You've said yourself what we say here has zero impact on the real world, so I fail to see what possible harm political speculation could do. There is no real harm in speculating unless of course you scare yourself with the "what might or might not happen"....speculate away to your hearts content...no one minds.
Here's a thing, what do you suppose you could call a person that goes into a turf accountant and lays out a bet on a supposed/hoped for outcome?
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepRIOT I suggest you go look the word up.
7. As far as I know,Trump or the government have abused no one yet.Especially the RIOTERS
Your right . A great many accusations of what might happen, but very little of what has happened as a consequences of his directives.Whycant they just wait and see what does happen
So no families forcibly separated then? Err yes they have been No people illegally detained in custody? Err yes they have been No people have lost years of savings due to his (now ruled) illegal action? Err yes they have been No people sacked just for doing their jobs Err yes they have been No Yemeni civilians shot and bombed then? Err yes they have been And that's just the start of his reign of abuse. The consequences have been minor to our own citizens and none to his own. The bombings elsewhere have been happening for a long time before his inauguration. I think you are exaggerating issues to further attack him, which you must admit to doing . There will always be peripheral events around any decisions which were no because of the decisions. You are very liberal minded {not a criticism but a compliment} but I believe that many of your beliefs are based on what is in your own best interests , not in the overall interests of our country. Border controls is a case in point, which may eventually effect your Dutch partners freedom of movement and possibly your own.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepRIOT I suggest you go look the word up.
7. As far as I know,Trump or the government have abused no one yet.Especially the RIOTERS
Because that is often just scaremongering, or being politically opportunist. Currently the directives have caused some people inconvenience but the natural adjustments have taken place as they always do. There is no proof in speculations, but total truth in what happens where the unforeseen events will reveal themselves.. The time to try to anticipate them is before they happen, not after they are done and out of our control. On the matter of his border control an example of what he is trying to prevent is the attack on police and citizens outside the Louvre in Paris. I appreciate that the attacker was Egyptian, but he was also a Muslim.
You've said yourself what we say here has zero impact on the real world, so I fail to see what possible harm political speculation could do. Hello again HH.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepRIOT I suggest you go look the word up.
7. As far as I know,Trump or the government have abused no one yet.Especially the RIOTERS
So no families forcibly separated then? Err yes they have been No people illegally detained in custody? Err yes they have been No people have lost years of savings due to his (now ruled) illegal action? Err yes they have been No people sacked just for doing their jobs Err yes they have been No Yemeni civilians shot and bombed then? Err yes they have been And that's just the start of his reign of abuse.
The consequences have been minor to our own citizens and none to his own. The bombings elsewhere have been happening for a long time before his inauguration. I think you are exaggerating issues to further attack him, which you must admit to doing . There will always be peripheral events around any decisions which were no because of the decisions. You are very liberal minded {not a criticism but a compliment} but I believe that many of your beliefs are based on what is in your own best interests , not in the overall interests of our country. Border controls is a case in point, which may eventually effect your Dutch partners freedom of movement and possibly your own. You agreed with "Trump or the government have abused no one yet"
That you seek to defend that by purporting that someone only counts if the are British or American sounds like white supremacy gone wild
Perhaps you could confirm that citizens of other countries are human beings in your book
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You may not show support for any political party, but there is no doubt that you strongly oppose others, including the Conservative Government in Power and that certainly shows support for the left of politics IMO, and by implication support for the Labour and Liberal parties. Your certainly not holding a neutral position.
I oppose the Conservatives because there are very nasty, not because they are right wing. They are not fit for public office. If Britain actually had a free press and Leveson were to be enforced. The electorate would stand a chance of seeing what the Tories are doing and not be blocked from it by the media/press. The electorate read and hear on a daily basis what the Conservative government is up to. They can look and listen on political programes especially that of channel 504 I on Sky TV. on their computers and Freesat
Your interpretation of nasty is not theirs as shown by the ballot box.
Regarding the HOC live, when do you see them personally insulting or abusing the opposition as we see so often on here? Its against the rules and those that do get suspended.
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Regarding the HOC live, when do you see them personally insulting or abusing the opposition as we see so often on here? Its against the rules and those that do get suspended. How strange then that we see so few reports of personal insults and abuse
Perhaps because what you get upset about is exactly the sort of language you do see in the HoC. Idiot positions getting pointed out for what they are is within the rules here and there.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepRIOT I suggest you go look the word up.
7. As far as I know,Trump or the government have abused no one yet.Especially the RIOTERS
The consequences have been minor to our own citizens and none to his own. The bombings elsewhere have been happening for a long time before his inauguration. I think you are exaggerating issues to further attack him, which you must admit to doing . There will always be peripheral events around any decisions which were no because of the decisions. You are very liberal minded {not a criticism but a compliment} but I believe that many of your beliefs are based on what is in your own best interests , not in the overall interests of our country. Border controls is a case in point, which may eventually effect your Dutch partners freedom of movement and possibly your own.
You agreed with "Trump or the government have abused no one yet" That you seek to defend that by purporting that someone only counts if the are British or American sounds like white supremacy gone wild Perhaps you could confirm that citizens of other countries are human beings in your book I neither agree or disagree until I see results and consequences I just don't know. He was elected by the American people to serve them not us. The majority of attacks on him come from the liberal left,, and IMO the BBC and channel 4 have been appalling in that respect. It will go away. just as the Brexit vote in the HOC has driven their complaints and bias about Brexit away I see the attacks on Trump and Brexit for the short term only. For all the alleged and negatively speculated consequences of both we just have to wait and see, but with an open mind not ones closed by political dogma and personal bias.
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Regarding the HOC live, when do you see them personally insulting or abusing the opposition as we see so often on here? Its against the rules and those that do get suspended.
How strange then that we see so few reports of personal insults and abuse Perhaps because what you get upset about is exactly the sort of language you do see in the HoC. Idiot positions getting pointed out for what they are is within the rules here and there. Perhaps we have different Brands of TV to watch. Mines a Panasonic. and came with a five year guarantee.
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Regarding the HOC live, when do you see them personally insulting or abusing the opposition as we see so often on here? Its against the rules and those that do get suspended.
How strange then that we see so few reports of personal insults and abuse Perhaps because what you get upset about is exactly the sort of language you do see in the HoC. Idiot positions getting pointed out for what they are is within the rules here and there. There are few reports of insults in the HOC because the speaker deals strongly with any such events, often with the immediate demand of an apology.
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Regarding the HOC live, when do you see them personally insulting or abusing the opposition as we see so often on here? Its against the rules and those that do get suspended.
How strange then that we see so few reports of personal insults and abuse Perhaps because what you get upset about is exactly the sort of language you do see in the HoC. Idiot positions getting pointed out for what they are is within the rules here and there.
Perhaps we have different Brands of TV to watch. Mines a Panasonic. and came with a five year guarantee. Samsung here, Tesco own brand upstairs Relevance? Methinks we digress.
Seriously PLEASE report or PM any occurrences of rule breaking you think you see here.
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7. As far as I know,Trump or the government have abused no one yet.Especially the RIOTERS
Why not discuss the possible implications of his proposed policies?
Because that is often just scaremongering, or being politically opportunist. Currently the directives have caused some people inconvenience but the natural adjustments have taken place as they always do. There is no proof in speculations, but total truth in what happens where the unforeseen events will reveal themselves.. The time to try to anticipate them is before they happen, not after they are done and out of our control. On the matter of his border control an example of what he is trying to prevent is the attack on police and citizens outside the Louvre in Paris. I appreciate that the attacker was Egyptian, but he was also a Muslim. One of the terrorist organisations that has been stopped cold by Trump's visa refusal consists of children who were being flown to the US for lifesaving surgeries. Our own health ministries have said"bring them here, instead" and Canadians will provide them with their surgeries as an humanitarian gesture.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/toronto/ontario-surgeries-travel-ban-1.3966380
https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2017/02/03/ontario-to-help-young-patients-affected-by-trump-travel-ban.html
It's a win-win. Trump has kept America safe from little Muslims with cleft palate that have come to attack them and the children get care that won't cost $50,000 a day.
It's gonna be YUGE!!!
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