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Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,586 Views)
C-too
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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Trump is it bit brighter than I though, either that or the American public are much thicker that most expexcted them to be. Whilst there is all this pointless arguing and distractions over immigration and keeping everyone safe the creatures in the swamp have been busy, we now have talk of banking deregulation and the freeing up of Wall Street as Trumps new mates prepare to let rip another credit boom and asset bubble!


Ha ha ha ha ha you fucking idiots!, ;D

Did you really think trump was on your side?
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Tigger
Feb 5 2017, 12:41 PM
Trump is it bit brighter than I though, either that or the American public are much thicker that most expexcted them to be. Whilst there is all this pointless arguing and distractions over immigration and keeping everyone safe the creatures in the swamp have been busy, we now have talk of banking deregulation and the freeing up of Wall Street as Trumps new mates prepare to let rip another credit boom and asset bubble!


Ha ha ha ha ha you fucking idiots!, ;D

Did you really think trump was on your side?
Well seems he just got less unpopular

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx
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Feb 5 2017, 12:41 PM
Trump is it bit brighter than I though, either that or the American public are much thicker that most expexcted them to be. Whilst there is all this pointless arguing and distractions over immigration and keeping everyone safe the creatures in the swamp have been busy, we now have talk of banking deregulation and the freeing up of Wall Street as Trumps new mates prepare to let rip another credit boom and asset bubble!


Ha ha ha ha ha you fucking idiots!, ;D

Did you really think trump was on your side?
Of course he was never on the side of the little guy, the forgery was screaming out, but people believe what they want to believe.
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Feb 5 2017, 12:45 PM
Tigger
Feb 5 2017, 12:41 PM
Trump is it bit brighter than I though, either that or the American public are much thicker that most expexcted them to be. Whilst there is all this pointless arguing and distractions over immigration and keeping everyone safe the creatures in the swamp have been busy, we now have talk of banking deregulation and the freeing up of Wall Street as Trumps new mates prepare to let rip another credit boom and asset bubble!


Ha ha ha ha ha you fucking idiots!, ;D

Did you really think trump was on your side?
Well seems he just got less unpopular

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx
Hardly surprising, he's about a presidential as a barrow boy.
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Feb 5 2017, 12:54 PM
Of course he was never on the side of the little guy, the forgery was screaming out, but people believe what they want to believe.
And we are his new best buddies ffs! :'(

Toe curling moment of the week for me was May offering to act as a mediator between the EU and US! :-[

It's almost as if she forgot what it's like to have an unelected nobody trying to shoehorn themselves in between you someone you might want to talk to....
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Feb 5 2017, 12:45 PM
Tigger
Feb 5 2017, 12:41 PM
Trump is it bit brighter than I though, either that or the American public are much thicker that most expexcted them to be. Whilst there is all this pointless arguing and distractions over immigration and keeping everyone safe the creatures in the swamp have been busy, we now have talk of banking deregulation and the freeing up of Wall Street as Trumps new mates prepare to let rip another credit boom and asset bubble!


Ha ha ha ha ha you fucking idiots!, ;D

Did you really think trump was on your side?
Well seems he just got less unpopular

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx
Fake News !jk!
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Feb 5 2017, 12:45 PM
Tigger
Feb 5 2017, 12:41 PM
Trump is it bit brighter than I though, either that or the American public are much thicker that most expexcted them to be. Whilst there is all this pointless arguing and distractions over immigration and keeping everyone safe the creatures in the swamp have been busy, we now have talk of banking deregulation and the freeing up of Wall Street as Trumps new mates prepare to let rip another credit boom and asset bubble!


Ha ha ha ha ha you fucking idiots!, ;D

Did you really think trump was on your side?
Well seems he just got less unpopular

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx
Fake News !jk!
Gallup ... purveyors of fake news since 1935.

More fake news ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A31pdNzgt-o"]www.youtube.com/watch?v=A31pdNzgt-o
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Feb 5 2017, 01:33 PM
That looks even funnier with the sound muted.
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Feb 4 2017, 12:37 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 09:49 PM

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So who really cares what Corbyn gets up to ?

I was just attempting to put your reply back into context.
Who cares????

I will tell you who fucking cares.....those that rely on a credible opposition party to hold the government of the day to account!!!  nonono:
So open a thread on it :)
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Feb 3 2017, 09:54 AM
This is not democratic dissent this is trying to usurp the democratic process. Over the last few weeks/months we have seen endless numbers of attempts to change what the people decided (UK/US), when NuLabour got in I did not even complain I got on with it (did not act like a belligerent peri-pubescent child), yet they were disastrous for the country and here we are trying to address the chronic legacy they created (unfortunately that's what we had in retrospect signed up for). Ditto Trump, the US people voted him in and so his plans are being rightly implemented (how many false promises do we usually see?). By bleating how nasty others are and elevating oneself to a higher place will not get one a place in heaven.
Freedom of speech among other things includes the right to denounce democracy.

Also, one can accept the Democratic result whilst still expressing one's displeasure with the result. Take Trump for example, how are the opposition supposed to partake in the Democratic process and persuade people to vote for them in the mid terms and next presidential election without criticising the incumbent president?
well, anyone can stand on a soap box at Hyde park corner and denounce what those elected to office have done, or not done, or pretty much anything else they fancy ...

what i see is a liberal left whingeing that their master plan to take us all to sodom and gomorrah in a handcart has been given a kicking

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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepHa ha ha ha ha you fucking idiots!, ;D

Did you reallyhttp://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx
Fake News !jk!
Gallup ... purveyors of fake news since 1935.

More fake news ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A31pdNzgt-o"]www.youtube.com/watch?v=A31pdNzgt-o
Does anyone else think that the real Sean Spicer is a dead ringer for fictional 80's artificial intelligence character Max Headroom? :rubchin:
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Feb 3 2017, 09:54 AM
This is not democratic dissent this is trying to usurp the democratic process. Over the last few weeks/months we have seen endless numbers of attempts to change what the people decided (UK/US), when NuLabour got in I did not even complain I got on with it (did not act like a belligerent peri-pubescent child), yet they were disastrous for the country and here we are trying to address the chronic legacy they created (unfortunately that's what we had in retrospect signed up for). Ditto Trump, the US people voted him in and so his plans are being rightly implemented (how many false promises do we usually see?). By bleating how nasty others are and elevating oneself to a higher place will not get one a place in heaven.
Freedom of speech among other things includes the right to denounce democracy.

Also, one can accept the Democratic result whilst still expressing one's displeasure with the result. Take Trump for example, how are the opposition supposed to partake in the Democratic process and persuade people to vote for them in the mid terms and next presidential election without criticising the incumbent president?
well, anyone can stand on a soap box at Hyde park corner and denounce what those elected to office have done, or not done, or pretty much anything else they fancy ...

what i see is a liberal left whingeing that their master plan to take us all to sodom and gomorrah in a handcart has been given a kicking

Hear, Hear. :thumbsup:
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Feb 5 2017, 03:21 PM
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Feb 3 2017, 10:33 AM

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well, anyone can stand on a soap box at Hyde park corner and denounce what those elected to office have done, or not done, or pretty much anything else they fancy ...

what i see is a liberal left whingeing that their master plan to take us all to sodom and gomorrah in a handcart has been given a kicking

Hear, Hear. :thumbsup:
^Waving to the cheering right wing crowds whilst on the way to the knackers yard?

:rubchin:
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Once again, I will iterate that I have no interest in the DM, but wait.....someone does, someone who has interest in public life as well as religion....whatever next, what happens if society starts to slate the Church of England.

Secularism.....my arse.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4192438/Former-Archbishop-Canterbury-blasts-Trump-protesters.html
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Feb 3 2017, 09:54 AM
This is not democratic dissent this is trying to usurp the democratic process. Over the last few weeks/months we have seen endless numbers of attempts to change what the people decided (UK/US), when NuLabour got in I did not even complain I got on with it (did not act like a belligerent peri-pubescent child), yet they were disastrous for the country and here we are trying to address the chronic legacy they created (unfortunately that's what we had in retrospect signed up for). Ditto Trump, the US people voted him in and so his plans are being rightly implemented (how many false promises do we usually see?). By bleating how nasty others are and elevating oneself to a higher place will not get one a place in heaven.
Freedom of speech among other things includes the right to denounce democracy.

Also, one can accept the Democratic result whilst still expressing one's displeasure with the result. Take Trump for example, how are the opposition supposed to partake in the Democratic process and persuade people to vote for them in the mid terms and next presidential election without criticising the incumbent president?
well, anyone can stand on a soap box at Hyde park corner and denounce what those elected to office have done, or not done, or pretty much anything else they fancy ...

what i see is a liberal left whingeing that their master plan to take us all to sodom and gomorrah in a handcart has been given a kicking

They are still hopping around feeling their bruises, and making a great deal of noises over it.
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Feb 3 2017, 10:33 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 09:54 AM
This is not democratic dissent this is trying to usurp the democratic process. Over the last few weeks/months we have seen endless numbers of attempts to change what the people decided (UK/US), when NuLabour got in I did not even complain I got on with it (did not act like a belligerent peri-pubescent child), yet they were disastrous for the country and here we are trying to address the chronic legacy they created (unfortunately that's what we had in retrospect signed up for). Ditto Trump, the US people voted him in and so his plans are being rightly implemented (how many false promises do we usually see?). By bleating how nasty others are and elevating oneself to a higher place will not get one a place in heaven.
Freedom of speech among other things includes the right to denounce democracy.

Also, one can accept the Democratic result whilst still expressing one's displeasure with the result. Take Trump for example, how are the opposition supposed to partake in the Democratic process and persuade people to vote for them in the mid terms and next presidential election without criticising the incumbent president?
well, anyone can stand on a soap box at Hyde park corner and denounce what those elected to office have done, or not done, or pretty much anything else they fancy ...

what i see is a liberal left whingeing that their master plan to take us all to sodom and gomorrah in a handcart has been given a kicking

What I also see is the right learning absolutely nothing from their long stint in the wilderness and making the exact same mistakes the left made when they were in power. Mistakes they have spent years pointing and shouting at like cracking down on dissent and trying to stifle debate by labelling anyone who disagrees (for "racist" now see "liberal elite").

It doesn't matter which flag you fly, all of the politically committed are exactly the same. It amazes me how otherwise intelligent and perceptive people can't see it.
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Feb 5 2017, 03:53 PM
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well, anyone can stand on a soap box at Hyde park corner and denounce what those elected to office have done, or not done, or pretty much anything else they fancy ...

what i see is a liberal left whingeing that their master plan to take us all to sodom and gomorrah in a handcart has been given a kicking

They are still hopping around feeling their bruises, and making a great deal of noises over it.
And yet most of the complaining on this thread seems to be coming from the Trump supporters.

You've got right wing governments on both sides of the Atlantic but are still trying to play the poor, downtrodden victim.
Edited by Happy Hornet, Feb 5 2017, 04:33 PM.
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One must ask oneself just WHY right wing politics have come to the fore, it does not happen for no reason at all.
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One must ask oneself just WHY right wing politics have come to the fore, it does not happen for no reason at all.
Why did left wing/liberal politics come to the fore previously?

Something else both sides have in common, blaming the other side for their own short comings.

The right are in power now, with power comes responsibility, which means if you screw up its your fault alone.
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Feb 5 2017, 04:58 PM
One must ask oneself just WHY right wing politics have come to the fore, it does not happen for no reason at all.
Why did left wing/liberal politics come to the fore previously?

Something else both sides have in common, blaming the other side for their own short comings.

The right are in power now, with power comes responsibility, which means if you screw up its your fault alone.
Politics always goes in cycles. A party in successive power always starts to drive things the way its supporters want rather than what the country needs and they get complacent.

A subtle difference we have seen though is that whereas last century governments were elected by those that were uninformed we increasingly now see the big electorate decisions made by those who have been deliberately misinformed
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A subtle difference we have seen though is that whereas last century governments were elected by those that were uninformed we increasingly now see the big electorate decisions made by those who have been deliberately misinformed
!clp! !clp! !clp!
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One must ask oneself just WHY right wing politics have come to the fore, it does not happen for no reason at all.
It always happens when countries are visited by serious economic troubles. That's when right-wingers take advantage of people's fears. It's not normal to have right-wingers in power in reasonable times.
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One must ask oneself just WHY right wing politics have come to the fore, it does not happen for no reason at all.
There are a lot of really stupid people out there who have been conned into voting against their own best interests?

But don'r take my word for it former US election hopeful Bernie Sanders has in the past few hours branded Trump a fraud, he pointed out Trump promoised to take on Wall Street but instead has put it in charge.

I'm glad there is a large expanse of water between us and America because when all those heavily armed dickheads finally realise they have been conned big time it'll get ugly.

But then again blame Mexico! It's worked a treat so far. :)
Edited by Tigger, Feb 5 2017, 06:30 PM.
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Feb 5 2017, 04:58 PM
One must ask oneself just WHY right wing politics have come to the fore, it does not happen for no reason at all.
It always happens when countries are visited by serious economic troubles. That's when right-wingers take advantage of people's fears. It's not normal to have right-wingers in power in reasonable times.
A reasonably thinking person would say with certainty, that as things look in the UK at present.....you had better get ready to get used to it.

Whether or not that will turn out to be a good situation I dare not say, but one thing is for sure, as it stands, there is no decent alternative for the voter to turn to.

So, it is, imo, fair to say that at present we have two extremes, one in government and the other looking meekly on with no idea what it stands for or in which direction to go.
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Feb 5 2017, 04:58 PM
One must ask oneself just WHY right wing politics have come to the fore, it does not happen for no reason at all.
It always happens when countries are visited by serious economic troubles. That's when right-wingers take advantage of people's fears. It's not normal to have right-wingers in power in reasonable times.
A reasonably thinking person would say with certainty, that as things look in the UK at present.....you had better get ready to get used to it.

Whether or not that will turn out to be a good situation I dare not say, but one thing is for sure, as it stands, there is no decent alternative for the voter to turn to.

So, it is, imo, fair to say that at present we have two extremes, one in government and the other looking meekly on with no idea what it stands for or in which direction to go.
I don't see May as an extremist, more centre-right IMO. I believe a problem will exist if she is side lined and is replaced by a right-winger.
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I'm glad there is a large expanse of water between us and America because when all those heavily armed dickheads finally realise they have been conned big time it'll get ugly.

That thought had crossed my mind.
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I see Trump's appeal to reinstate the travel ban has been rejected and he's been having a Twitter tantrum over it, the poor little snowflake.
He has appealed against the court decision, so let I us wait and see if it has been fully rejected or not.
If it is rejected then democracy has gone badly wrong and the people will have cause to complain. They voted for it and here we have it being held from them.
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I see Trump's appeal to reinstate the travel ban has been rejected and he's been having a Twitter tantrum over it, the poor little snowflake.
He has appealed against the court decision, so let I us wait and see if it has been fully rejected or not.
If it is rejected then democracy has gone badly wrong and the people will have cause to complain. They voted for it and here we have it being held from them.
Being elected doesn't put you above the law, nor should it.

If Trump made promises he couldn't legally keep then there's nothing undemocratic about it it's simple incompetence on Trump's part.
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Being elected doesn't put you above the law, nor should it.

The Tory government seem to think it is above the law.
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Feb 5 2017, 05:57 PM

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A reasonably thinking person would say with certainty, that as things look in the UK at present.....you had better get ready to get used to it.

Whether or not that will turn out to be a good situation I dare not say, but one thing is for sure, as it stands, there is no decent alternative for the voter to turn to.

So, it is, imo, fair to say that at present we have two extremes, one in government and the other looking meekly on with no idea what it stands for or in which direction to go.
I don't see May as an extremist, more centre-right IMO. I believe a problem will exist if she is side lined and is replaced by a right-winger.
People are moving to the right because of the pressures and demands of those of the left.
I do not think that there are more intolerant and dictatorial and dogmatic people than those to the idealistic left of politics. They seem to believe that they are always right and everyone else is wrong, and the average person is sick to death of being dictated to as to how they should speak or act or run their own lives.

I really do believe that the swing to the right is a direct consequence of the actions, behaviour and demands of the left. They actually thought that they were going to impose their idealism on every one else, but at everyone else's expense, for their own ends. Their education continues for a while yet, until they face the reality of life, that being that they have to make an effort on their own behalf, not expect others to solve life problems for them, and others are entitled to run their own lives as they see fit.
The move to the right has a way to go yet, whilst still retaining the best of socialism.
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I'm glad there is a large expanse of water between us and America because when all those heavily armed dickheads finally realise they have been conned big time it'll get ugly.

That thought had crossed my mind.
We need a walll, and fast.

The divisions are so deep and irreconcilable in the US thst you have to wonder, smetimes if they aren't on the cusp of some sort of civil war.
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Being elected doesn't put you above the law, nor should it.

The Tory government seem to think it is above the law.
No. They have just implemented the courts, the laws, ruling on Brexit, on a private application from a member of the public. Trump has just been overruled by the law that you say they are above.
The opposition parties in Britain would soon pull them up if they tried to break the law or tried to put them selves above it.

When you go around saying such things which are provably false you undermine your POV.
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Feb 5 2017, 06:29 PM


I'm glad there is a large expanse of water between us and America because when all those heavily armed dickheads finally realise they have been conned big time it'll get ugly.

That thought had crossed my mind.
We need a walll, and fast.

The divisions are so deep and irreconcilable in the US thst you have to wonder, smetimes if they aren't on the cusp of some sort of civil war.
Would that please you and who do you think would be fighting who?
When we talk about civil wars, which side would we be on, would we expect to win, and would it end in an economic shambles that would effect negatively everyone.
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When we talk about civil wars, which side would we be on,
If it happens in America I would hope the British government would stay well out of it. (They might well be too busy dealing with civil disorder here in Britain.)
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When we talk about civil wars, which side would we be on,
If it happens in America I would hope the British government would stay well out of it. (They might well be too busy dealing with civil disorder here in Britain.)
You obviously do not believe in democracy or the democratic process. Internal conflict costs millions to resolve and harms millions in the process,and takes years to resolve and to return to normality.
Its wrong thinking IMO to even think of it as being a solution to anything.
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You obviously do not believe in democracy or the democratic process.
I do believe in democracy but neither America or Britain upon close inspection has it.
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Feb 5 2017, 10:45 AM
I see Trump's appeal to reinstate the travel ban has been rejected and he's been having a Twitter tantrum over it, the poor little snowflake.
He has appealed against the court decision, so let I us wait and see if it has been fully rejected or not.
If it is rejected then democracy has gone badly wrong and the people will have cause to complain. They voted for it and here we have it being held from them.
Wrong

They voted for a President that would keep to the US Constitution. The courts are saying it appears he hasn't.
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Feb 5 2017, 06:29 PM


I'm glad there is a large expanse of water between us and America because when all those heavily armed dickheads finally realise they have been conned big time it'll get ugly.

That thought had crossed my mind.
We need a walll, and fast.

The way things are going..we are all going to need a wall!
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Curious Cdn
Feb 6 2017, 11:19 AM
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Feb 5 2017, 06:29 PM


I'm glad there is a large expanse of water between us and America because when all those heavily armed dickheads finally realise they have been conned big time it'll get ugly.

That thought had crossed my mind.
We need a walll, and fast.

The divisions are so deep and irreconcilable in the US thst you have to wonder, smetimes if they aren't on the cusp of some sort of civil war.
Your thoughts Curious Cdn are precisely my thoughts too, indeed I have been wondering just where America is heading with such a wide rift between left and right, I was reading this weekend about the little known phenomenon of "CALEXIT", a once little known movement which advocates independence for California, and which has gainned momentum since Trumps election.

Incidentally there is another phenomenon, or unusual side effect of Trump's election, and that is the new light in which Justin Trudeau now finds himself in, many people over here now see Mr Trudeau as been the just, moral and compassinate leader of North America ( which I subscribe to ).

As well as interesting days and months ahead for the UK, it will also be very interesting to see how Canada's relationship with its neighbour plays out, no doubt Donald wont like his Liberal, free health care loving neighbour who has the audacity to help refugees from those nasty Muslim countries.

Canada/USA/Trump/ Trudeau - what a colossal and very stark difference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4muGwXuYsbY

I would be proud to be Canadian

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John Bercow (Speaker) has said he will try and block Trump addressing Parliament if he does make that state visit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604

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Edited by Steve K, Feb 6 2017, 05:34 PM.
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