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| Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,585 Views) | |
| C-too | Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM Post #1 |
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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| Rich | Feb 6 2017, 05:34 PM Post #1241 |
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I never said they were extremists, I merely said we have two extremes, please do learn to read the context properly. |
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| Tigger | Feb 6 2017, 10:38 PM Post #1242 |
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As a fellow right winger mentioned several times a few days ago the US citizen is armed and often dangerous, combine this with an at times truly dreadful media and you have all the makings of some very big problems. Americans seem to think most things can be put right with force, we'll see. |
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| Curious Cdn | Feb 6 2017, 11:15 PM Post #1243 |
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The Speaker of your House of Commons has said, pretty much, that Trump is not an acceptible guest in his house. Is that democracy in action (I'm sure that you unelected Prime Minister would dearly like to stifle him) or is the questionable electoral system system in America magicslly more democratic ? |
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| Tytoalba | Feb 6 2017, 11:20 PM Post #1244 |
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More things are put right with patience ,good will, and open and fair discussion in looking for the best solutions. You need to take as many people as possible with you, not keep looking to solve matters with force violence and revolution which invariably leaves one with enemies. |
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| Tytoalba | Feb 6 2017, 11:24 PM Post #1245 |
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Its not his house it is the house of the common people and it is up to their representatives to make the decision. The speaker is meant to be impartial. |
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| Steve K | Feb 6 2017, 11:28 PM Post #1246 |
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Yes, while I sympathise with his view he should have kept his counsel http://www.parliament.uk/business/commons/the-speaker/the-role-of-the-speaker/role-of-the-speaker/ "Speakers must be politically impartial. " |
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| Curious Cdn | Feb 6 2017, 11:51 PM Post #1247 |
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Yes, yes. We have the same system but does that impartiality extend to the politics of foreign countries? Is the Speaker obliged to welcome Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin, Robert Mugabe, the head of the Taliban to speak in the House? Isn't excluding any of them a "political" act? Does the Speaker have responsibility to maintain the sanctity of the House? The differences between Trump and Putin become damned slim when it comes to State Visits. Edited by Curious Cdn, Feb 6 2017, 11:53 PM.
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| Steve K | Feb 7 2017, 12:02 AM Post #1248 |
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When the PM wants him here and the Leader of the Opposition doesn't then it becomes UK politics |
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| Curious Cdn | Feb 7 2017, 12:08 AM Post #1249 |
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This is true. I suppose that May can replace him but Trump is not popular and the optics will hurt her. When is your next general election? How long can May hold on without a mandate? |
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| Ewill | Feb 7 2017, 01:05 AM Post #1250 |
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sure that you unelected Prime Minister PM is not an elected position |
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| Ewill | Feb 7 2017, 01:06 AM Post #1251 |
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| Rich | Feb 7 2017, 01:09 AM Post #1252 |
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Nonetheless, the Speaker is supposed to be impartial and apolitical and was well out of order for saying what he did......I do not know if it is possible to chastise him in any way but he should be imo,.......did he say anything regarding the Chinese leader when he attended a state visit? Double standards from the dwarf? |
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| Curious Cdn | Feb 7 2017, 01:49 AM Post #1253 |
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That is not entirely true. The Prime Minister was elected to be the leader of her party by her party. The greater British electorate has yet to "comment" on the choice. |
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| Ewill | Feb 7 2017, 10:05 AM Post #1254 |
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It is entirely true The national electorate as a whole has no input The only people who vote ''for'' any PM are the electorate of the constituency who elect their local constituency MP to represent them at Parliament- If that elected MP is leader of the party with a majority at Parliament then they are PM. Primus inter Pares |
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| xosg | Feb 7 2017, 10:09 AM Post #1255 |
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Seems to have no problem with the Saudis or Chinese. Funny that don't you think ? |
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| Happy Hornet | Feb 7 2017, 10:14 AM Post #1256 |
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So you don't think we should hold the leader of the free world to a higher standard than that of a theocratic dictatorship? Oh and speaking of the Saudis, funny how they are not on Trump's banned list given most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi Arabians don't you think? |
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| xosg | Feb 7 2017, 10:14 AM Post #1257 |
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Usually is don't you think ? All Governments rule by force, what do you think laws are ? "If you don't do/abide by this/that where going to do this /that" What do you think that means then ? |
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| xosg | Feb 7 2017, 10:19 AM Post #1258 |
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We have no problem rolling out red carpets for those monsters,what difference is another monster (your ideology) going to make. You see that is the problem with you,the left and I put you on the side of the left.If anyone does anything that you like regardless of political persuasion,it is deemed great.It doesn't matter whether HITLER (exaggeration,don't start frothing at the mouth ) was getting the red carpet treatment you would defend it. Instead of saying it is disgraceful,you are all hypocrites |
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| Steve K | Feb 7 2017, 10:20 AM Post #1259 |
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Can we tone it down please |
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| xosg | Feb 7 2017, 10:24 AM Post #1260 |
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I agree.Tell them all to shut their mouths I am speaking.
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| Happy Hornet | Feb 7 2017, 10:44 AM Post #1261 |
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Speak for yourself, I would oppose a state visit from the leaders of China or Saudi Arabia even more strongly than I would a state visit from Trump. Perhaps you owe someone an apology? |
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| xosg | Feb 7 2017, 11:03 AM Post #1262 |
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Have you stated that opinion in this thread,or at the beginning of any of your posts ? Just a simple YES or NO please,could not stand another rousing speech thank you. Problem you all have with Trump is,he has gone straight for the jugular of the left.In so much as everything that is at the heart of the left and everything they hold dear is under attack. CLIMATE CHANGE,IMMIGRATION,GLOBALISATION etc etc. YOU all want a Fascist world government. Wait until he really gets started on the climate warriors (can't wait ) lots of fake tears,hurt feelings and plenty of playdo and sponges needed for the SAFE spaces. It must be the most successful attempt at brainwashing in the history of the world. Brainwashing is easy really, Just find a few succeptible idiots,tell them a good story and let them go out and spread the word.While you sit on your yacht counting the money pouring in |
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| Tytoalba | Feb 7 2017, 11:04 AM Post #1263 |
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If we want our own heads of state and our prime minister to be allowed to speak in other countries legislatures, and to have their voices heard to represent us as a nation, even to disagree with their ways and actions and to point out differences, then we should have the courtesy to do the same for theirs. Rebuffs are remembered, and will be reciprocated . Parliament should be looking after our own long-term interests, not expressing their short term emotional feelings. How do you persuade anyone of anything without being involved with them? If we ever need the assistance of the Americans, and we may, we need to reach out to them now and retain their friendship. Trump is their head of state, and should be invited as such for he was chosen by the American people themselves. |
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| Curious Cdn | Feb 7 2017, 11:08 AM Post #1264 |
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No, but the Conservative Party does and you in turn vote for the Conservative Party (or not) . The Prime Minister is there because she has been voted, there by her party ... just not voted there by the general public. |
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| papasmurf | Feb 7 2017, 11:12 AM Post #1265 |
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Given the size of the electorate he got the votes of very few of them. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/ |
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| Curious Cdn | Feb 7 2017, 11:13 AM Post #1266 |
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Brainwashing is easy really, Just find a few succeptible idiots,tell them a good story and let them go out and spread the word.While you sit on your yacht counting the money pouring in This is precisely the secret behind the current Alt Right political successes. |
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| Happy Hornet | Feb 7 2017, 11:22 AM Post #1267 |
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No, I haven't stated that opinion elsewhere in this thread because this thread is about Donald Trump not China or Saudi Arabia. However you then brought up the subject of China and Saudi Arabia and I offered my opinion. |
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| papasmurf | Feb 7 2017, 11:23 AM Post #1268 |
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Unfortunately in Britain there are 11,334,576 susceptible idiots. |
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| Tytoalba | Feb 7 2017, 11:29 AM Post #1269 |
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I welcome state visits from any Nation irrespective of their ideology. It is far better to engage with them verbally than with weapons of war. Mutual respect for the office held and through the office to the country they represent, and for each other, is essential to world peace. I know that many use such a visit for their own propaganda purpose, and to enhance their own trade and position in the world, but that has been the practice through time. I wonder if we can get Assad to visit, or Kim Jong-Il ? Jaw jaw is always better than war. In a years time like Article 50 we will have other things to complain about. Perhaps Le Pen will be elected in France and Geert-Wilders in Holland and we can then invite them to the HOC. That really would give our left wing posters the vapors.
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| Ewill | Feb 7 2017, 11:30 AM Post #1270 |
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One can only vote for a local constituency MP who may or may not represent a party- one has no votes outside the constituency in which you are registered Unless one lives in the specific constituency where a putative MP who happens to be party leader is standing for election there is NO vote for a potential PM, never has been No-one is ever ''elected'' to be PM at a general election |
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| xosg | Feb 7 2017, 11:31 AM Post #1271 |
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"NO" your first word tells me I don't owe you an apology then as I just asked for a YES or NO answer,remember
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| Tytoalba | Feb 7 2017, 11:33 AM Post #1272 |
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I'm curious, Curious, for if your not brainwashed why do you assume everyone else is, or is it only those who are right of centre susceptible to brainwashing? |
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| papasmurf | Feb 7 2017, 11:36 AM Post #1273 |
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Quite, that is not democratic either. |
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| Happy Hornet | Feb 7 2017, 11:43 AM Post #1274 |
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You projected an opinion onto me which was false and when challenged your defence is I never mentioned it before? I've not heard you condemn Harold Shipman on this thread, shall I assume therefore that you condone his actions? |
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| Happy Hornet | Feb 7 2017, 11:44 AM Post #1275 |
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I've got no problem with engagement, but one can engage without a state visit. |
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| xosg | Feb 7 2017, 11:46 AM Post #1276 |
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Then why don't you clean your own house up before cleaning everyone elses.he has as much right to govern as ANY british PM has ever done and for you to keep spouting figures is disingenuous to say the least. Besides if he wanted the popular vote he would have campaigned for it (and got it) he never campaigned (as far as I know ) in California. He went for the "ELECTORAL COLLEGE " votes and got them.Putting his resources to better use than the wicked witch of the west Edited by xosg, Feb 7 2017, 11:50 AM.
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| Affa | Feb 7 2017, 11:50 AM Post #1277 |
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Bercow has exercised his prerogative. Good on him for having the orbs. Or just maybe he's the scapegoat for someone else who didn't want the bad publicity ....... mmmmm |
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| Happy Hornet | Feb 7 2017, 11:53 AM Post #1278 |
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Doesn't bother me in the slightest, unlike poor snowflake Trump I don't lose my sh1t over people saying unflattering things about me. I just have a preference for debating with people who have a bit of integrity that's all. |
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| papasmurf | Feb 7 2017, 11:54 AM Post #1279 |
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I have wanted proportional representation for a long time. The present system is corrupt and undemocratic. |
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| xosg | Feb 7 2017, 11:55 AM Post #1280 |
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So going by your mindset,if has Ty has posted LE PEN and WILDERS where elected in their countries you would ban them to.So that would be the French,the dutch,and the Americans all on a ban hey ? At that rate the only ones you will be talking to are N.Korea and China,keep up the good work,hey
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