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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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Feb 11 2017, 10:00 AM


But I am certain he will get the welcome he deserves
Hopefully not in Britain. Unfortunately it looks as if at the time of Trump's visit to Britain I will be only 23 miles away.
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Feb 11 2017, 10:33 AM


As I said last year, a change is coming and the ruling elite had best learn to be flexible and fair instead of arrogant and uncaring in the pursuit of an ideology which is doomed to failure without the consent of those that must "survive" within that ideology.

As ever most of what is really going on has sailed many miles above your head, idiots aplenty have voted for Trump to apparently take on a corrupt establishment that cares little for those at the bottom of the pile.

Trump has surrounded himself with precisely the sort of people these idiots were hoping to dislodge! Not only that he's well on the way to empowering this elite to inflict even more pain on the plebs, I've never really understood why anyone would vote for people in ivory towers and then expect these people to change tack.

At this point I have to ask a serious question, are millions of people so thick as to be easily distracted by stories about immigrants and Muslims that it renders them virtually blind to the wider truth?
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Feb 11 2017, 10:33 AM
I find it interesting to draw a parallel between Trump and Farage.

For years, Farage was denigrated for being a radical and anti EU, but in the end he got his way, much the same is being said of Trump, sooner or later the arrogant "deaf" politicians around the western hemisphere WILL have to listen to what Joe Bloggs is saying and feeling.

People are sick to the back teeth of what I term as politics for politicians and not what it should be which is politics for the people.

As I said last year, a change is coming and the ruling elite had best learn to be flexible and fair instead of arrogant and uncaring in the pursuit of an ideology which is doomed to failure without the consent of those that must "survive" within that ideology.

I am certain that our next generation will thank this one for holding our referendum and doing the sensible thing after our PM was belittled in asking for concessions and a relaxation of attitudes from the EU elite.

The result of those failed plaints will soon become apparent throughout the EU as the reverberations will surely spread, the foundation has been cracked and I am very glad.
Prior to the referendum, Britain was divided as to whether we should remain in the EU, and after the referendum Britain is now even more divided, in fact never so divided and bitter, but with regard to your point concerning Farage, it was not he, not UKIP who forced the referendum, it was the ghost which had haunted the Tory Party for many years which forced a referendum upon us.

That same European ghost which almost brought down John Major, and has divided the Tories for a generation, and in order to excorcise that ghost, the whole country has suffered, and will suffer a lot more in the years to come.

There is a colossal divide in our society between the likes of Farage ( and Trump ), who have childish and simplistic answers to all our problems, blaming foreigners, migrants, refugees and immigrants for all our ills and problems, and those of us who have the foresight and the intelligence to see that not only are these people wrong, but also bloody dangerous too.

The atmosphere as it now is, is very similar to the atmosphere which prevailed immediately prior to the Kristallnacht in Nazi Germany.

For as much as you say that people are turning to alternative politics, populism, sound bytes, blame the Mexicans, blame Johnny foreigner or blame the Muslims, there are equally as many people who oppose such ideas and solutions, and they are equally as determined and bitter, the way things are moving it could en up messy.


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Feb 11 2017, 12:26 PM

There is a colossal divide in our society between the likes of Farage ( and Trump ), who have childish and simplistic answers to all our problems, blaming foreigners, migrants, refugees and immigrants for all our ills and problems, and those of us who have the foresight and the intelligence to see that not only are these people wrong, but also bloody dangerous too.




It looks like you've already worked it out, many people want simple and easily digested solutions for complex problems.It's also very clear that some people will put up with any old shit as long as they can blame a foreigner or an immigrant.

Big trouble ahead.............
Edited by Tigger, Feb 11 2017, 12:32 PM.
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. . But I am certain he will get the welcome he deserves
:thumbsup:

Seems he's now contemplating writing a new Presidential order. I'm sure his gophers will put it in better words than he would. Probably start as "No Mussies unless they're buying Ivanka's threads"
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Feb 10 2017, 12:54 PM
I think Britain is making a big mistake by trying to snub Trumpy..
Britain is not trying to snub Trump, not officialy, its just a few million of Britains people and a large chunk of the population who dont want him here ( including me )

But I am certain he will get the welcome he deserves
There will be two sides to the welcoming of Trump, not just the one you will hope for,but the large chunk of the population that voted for Brexit. What sort of message will it send to our American allies to keep rebuking him in public?

As one person said in the press, 'Before distancing us from the USA they need to visit the war cemeteries in Britain to see the graves of the many thousands of American airmen who died protecting us and fighting with us against our common enemy.

I want him to come, and could easily be standing behind you. 8-)
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Feb 11 2017, 12:26 PM
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Feb 11 2017, 10:33 AM
I find it interesting to draw a parallel between Trump and Farage.

For years, Farage was denigrated for being a radical and anti EU, but in the end he got his way, much the same is being said of Trump, sooner or later the arrogant "deaf" politicians around the western hemisphere WILL have to listen to what Joe Bloggs is saying and feeling.

People are sick to the back teeth of what I term as politics for politicians and not what it should be which is politics for the people.

As I said last year, a change is coming and the ruling elite had best learn to be flexible and fair instead of arrogant and uncaring in the pursuit of an ideology which is doomed to failure without the consent of those that must "survive" within that ideology.

I am certain that our next generation will thank this one for holding our referendum and doing the sensible thing after our PM was belittled in asking for concessions and a relaxation of attitudes from the EU elite.

The result of those failed plaints will soon become apparent throughout the EU as the reverberations will surely spread, the foundation has been cracked and I am very glad.
Prior to the referendum, Britain was divided as to whether we should remain in the EU, and after the referendum Britain is now even more divided, in fact never so divided and bitter, but with regard to your point concerning Farage, it was not he, not UKIP who forced the referendum, it was the ghost which had haunted the Tory Party for many years which forced a referendum upon us.

That same European ghost which almost brought down John Major, and has divided the Tories for a generation, and in order to excorcise that ghost, the whole country has suffered, and will suffer a lot more in the years to come.

There is a colossal divide in our society between the likes of Farage ( and Trump ), who have childish and simplistic answers to all our problems, blaming foreigners, migrants, refugees and immigrants for all our ills and problems, and those of us who have the foresight and the intelligence to see that not only are these people wrong, but also bloody dangerous too.

The atmosphere as it now is, is very similar to the atmosphere which prevailed immediately prior to the Kristallnacht in Nazi Germany.

For as much as you say that people are turning to alternative politics, populism, sound bytes, blame the Mexicans, blame Johnny foreigner or blame the Muslims, there are equally as many people who oppose such ideas and solutions, and they are equally as determined and bitter, the way things are moving it could en up messy.


Some seem to look for and hope for 'divides' in our society, for it is the only way that they can achieve their minority ends in a democratic society.
There is the ballot box every five years or less for society to express its wishes, and so far the trouble makers and malcontents have failed miserably to divide the nation.
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Feb 11 2017, 06:34 PM
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Feb 10 2017, 12:54 PM
I think Britain is making a big mistake by trying to snub Trumpy..
Britain is not trying to snub Trump, not officialy, its just a few million of Britains people and a large chunk of the population who dont want him here ( including me )

But I am certain he will get the welcome he deserves
There will be two sides to the welcoming of Trump, not just the one you will hope for,but the large chunk of the population that voted for Brexit. What sort of message will it send to our American allies to keep rebuking him in public?

As one person said in the press, 'Before distancing us from the USA they need to visit the war cemeteries in Britain to see the graves of the many thousands of American airmen who died protecting us and fighting with us against our common enemy.

I want him to come, and could easily be standing behind you. 8-)
And you don't see the hypocrisy in that? Yes we owe the USA and Canada much for those sacrifices in WW2 but to say a dodgy Draft dodger should gain any of that is just plain wrong.
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Feb 11 2017, 06:42 PM

There is the ballot box every five years or less for society to express its wishes, and so far the trouble makers and malcontents have failed miserably to divide the nation.
The Tories have divided the nation.
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Feb 11 2017, 10:00 AM
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I think Britain is making a big mistake by trying to snub Trumpy..
Britain is not trying to snub Trump, not officialy, its just a few million of Britains people and a large chunk of the population who dont want him here ( including me )

But I am certain he will get the welcome he deserves
Oh, let's hope so.

Unfortunately cabbage and rotten tomatoes are out of season.
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Feb 11 2017, 07:37 PM
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There is the ballot box every five years or less for society to express its wishes, and so far the trouble makers and malcontents have failed miserably to divide the nation.
The Tories have divided the nation.
I suppose e the fact that we have a number of political parties involved in our politics dividing opinion has missed your observation.? They are all at it, just as people like yourself are.
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Feb 11 2017, 10:33 AM
I find it interesting to draw a parallel between Trump and Farage.

For years, Farage was denigrated for being a radical and anti EU, but in the end he got his way, much the same is being said of Trump, sooner or later the arrogant "deaf" politicians around the western hemisphere WILL have to listen to what Joe Bloggs is saying and feeling.

People are sick to the back teeth of what I term as politics for politicians and not what it should be which is politics for the people.

As I said last year, a change is coming and the ruling elite had best learn to be flexible and fair instead of arrogant and uncaring in the pursuit of an ideology which is doomed to failure without the consent of those that must "survive" within that ideology.

I am certain that our next generation will thank this one for holding our referendum and doing the sensible thing after our PM was belittled in asking for concessions and a relaxation of attitudes from the EU elite.

The result of those failed plaints will soon become apparent throughout the EU as the reverberations will surely spread, the foundation has been cracked and I am very glad.
Prior to the referendum, Britain was divided as to whether we should remain in the EU, and after the referendum Britain is now even more divided, in fact never so divided and bitter, but with regard to your point concerning Farage, it was not he, not UKIP who forced the referendum, it was the ghost which had haunted the Tory Party for many years which forced a referendum upon us.

That same European ghost which almost brought down John Major, and has divided the Tories for a generation, and in order to excorcise that ghost, the whole country has suffered, and will suffer a lot more in the years to come.

There is a colossal divide in our society between the likes of Farage ( and Trump ), who have childish and simplistic answers to all our problems, blaming foreigners, migrants, refugees and immigrants for all our ills and problems, and those of us who have the foresight and the intelligence to see that not only are these people wrong, but also bloody dangerous too.

The atmosphere as it now is, is very similar to the atmosphere which prevailed immediately prior to the Kristallnacht in Nazi Germany.

For as much as you say that people are turning to alternative politics, populism, sound bytes, blame the Mexicans, blame Johnny foreigner or blame the Muslims, there are equally as many people who oppose such ideas and solutions, and they are equally as determined and bitter, the way things are moving it could en up messy.


Sorry, but you are fooling yourself, before the 2015 general election the Tory's were losing voters to UKIP and in order to win them back Cameron HAD to concede to hold a referendum.....so you see, Farage was the catalyst and that enabled him to realise his dream of 20 years....Brexit.

Like it or lump it, that is what will happen and for my money our government should not fuck about but instead go for a full hard on Brexit with no frills attached and then let the EU come to us to negotiate what is best for both sides.

They have more to lose than we do.
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Feb 11 2017, 10:51 PM


They have more to lose than we do.
Yeah, they lose full access to a market of 65m and we lose full access to a market of 440m.

You are funny! ;D
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They have more to lose than we do.
Yeah, they lose full access to a market of 65m and we lose full access to a market of 440m.

You are funny! ;D
Ahh, but your 65 million are BETTER.
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They have more to lose than we do.
Yeah, they lose full access to a market of 65m and we lose full access to a market of 440m.

You are funny! ;D
Ahh, but your 65 million are BETTER.
But getting POORER in world terms  :(
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Ahh, but your 65 million are BETTER.
But getting POORER in world terms  :(
Yes, yes, yes, we shall see, those that are happy to be stuck in a rut will agree with you, as for us others, we wish to make progress one way or another, the EU has proven itself not to want to move forward so we have left the sclerotic tar baby behind and fucking good riddance to it, all it ever did was to slow things down.
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But getting POORER in world terms  :(
Yes, yes, yes, we shall see, those that are happy to be stuck in a rut will agree with you, as for us others, we wish to make progress one way or another, the EU has proven itself not to want to move forward so we have left the sclerotic tar baby behind and fucking good riddance to it, all it ever did was to slow things down.
So, what else do you have going that will make you all rich and famous?
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As I said last year, a change is coming and the ruling elite had best learn to be flexible and fair instead of arrogant and uncaring in the pursuit of an ideology which is doomed to failure without the consent of those that must "survive" within that ideology.

As ever most of what is really going on has sailed many miles above your head, idiots aplenty have voted for Trump to apparently take on a corrupt establishment that cares little for those at the bottom of the pile.

Trump has surrounded himself with precisely the sort of people these idiots were hoping to dislodge! Not only that he's well on the way to empowering this elite to inflict even more pain on the plebs, I've never really understood why anyone would vote for people in ivory towers and then expect these people to change tack.

At this point I have to ask a serious question, are millions of people so thick as to be easily distracted by stories about immigrants and Muslims that it renders them virtually blind to the wider truth?
At this point I have to ask a serious question, are millions of people so thick as to be easily distracted by stories about immigrants and Muslims that it renders them virtually blind to the wider truth?

Try answering your own question first. /8/

You seem to be the one blinded by the BS propoganda. Ask yourself why,

YOU THINK YOUR THE ONLY SANE ONE IN THE ASYLUM ? :facepalm: :banghead:
Edited by xosg, Feb 12 2017, 12:37 AM.
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They have more to lose than we do.
Yeah, they lose full access to a market of 65m and we lose full access to a market of 440m.

You are funny! ;D
There ya go again spouting your BS.

We aint lost nothing yet. When we do, then crow,until then wind your neck and wingeing,I'm starting to feel sorry for you :facepalm:
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They have more to lose than we do.
Yeah, they lose full access to a market of 65m and we lose full access to a market of 440m.

You are funny! ;D
There ya go again spouting your BS.

We aint lost nothing yet. When we do, then crow,until then wind your neck and wingeing,I'm starting to feel sorry for you :facepalm:
But that lose 65M v lose 440M market size is the starting point isn't it?

Or as I put it a long while ago. Brexit for the EU will be like losing a foot but for the UK losing a leg. Both lose but guess which is going to run the faster afterwards.

David Davis is a good guy but he's no miracle worker especially when handicapped in negotiations by that arse Boris offending people.



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Yes, yes, yes, we shall see, those that are happy to be stuck in a rut will agree with you, as for us others, we wish to make progress one way or another, the EU has proven itself not to want to move forward so we have left the sclerotic tar baby behind and fucking good riddance to it, all it ever did was to slow things down.
So, what else do you have going that will make you all rich and famous?
The biggest and best we have going for us is attitude, aspiration and the ability to get off of our backsides and do something rather than following like sheep.

Next question?
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So, what else do you have going that will make you all rich and famous?
The biggest and best we have going for us is attitude, aspiration and the ability to get off of our backsides and do something rather than following like sheep.

Next question?
So, how's that part going, anyway?
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The biggest and best we have going for us is attitude, aspiration and the ability to get off of our backsides and do something rather than following like sheep.

Next question?
So, how's that part going, anyway?
Perhaps you would like to ask one of your own....a certain Mr Carney who has had to eat humble pie regarding his dire predictions of a Brexit.....just saying like. ;-)
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So, what else do you have going that will make you all rich and famous?
The biggest and best we have going for us is attitude, aspiration and the ability to get off of our backsides and do something rather than following like sheep.
Attitude and aspiration are fine words, but are worth nothing, in a divided nation, lead by weak and ineffective leadership. A leadership that is more concerned about uniting its party, than concerned about the distribution of wealth to the nations people.

Brexit won't turn around that situation, especially when the challenges and complexities of Brexit are well beyond the abilities or the experience of politicians.
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So, how's that part going, anyway?
Perhaps you would like to ask one of your own....a certain Mr Carney who has had to eat humble pie regarding his dire predictions of a Brexit.....just saying like. ;-)
You still haven't Brexited, yet..

Just saying, like.
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Perhaps you would like to ask one of your own....a certain Mr Carney who has had to eat humble pie regarding his dire predictions of a Brexit.....just saying like. ;-)
You still haven't Brexited, yet..

Just saying, like.
It is now a given....get used to it.....we have. !wav!
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You still haven't Brexited, yet..

Just saying, like.
It is now a given....get used to it.....we have. !wav!
No, not yet you haven't. You've said that you are going to but you are still connected to Europe with an umbilical chord. Separation is still in the future and so are any economic impacts. You gotten used to "might happen, maybes"
Edited by Curious Cdn, Feb 12 2017, 02:06 AM.
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It is now a given....get used to it.....we have. !wav!
No, not yet you haven't. You've said that you are going to but you are still connected to Europe with an umbilical chord. Separation is still in the future and so are any economic impacts. You gotten used to "might happen, maybes"
As you wish.

I and 17.4 million know different.
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No, not yet you haven't. You've said that you are going to but you are still connected to Europe with an umbilical chord. Separation is still in the future and so are any economic impacts. You gotten used to "might happen, maybes"
As you wish.

I and 17.4 million know different.
You are still part of the EU. You won't be, eventually. Then we will see if Carney, et.al, are right, wrong or at all useful to you. Your conclusions are premature. Maybe, the world will beat a path to your doorstep.
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I think Britain is making a big mistake by trying to snub Trumpy..
Britain is not trying to snub Trump, not officialy, its just a few million of Britains people and a large chunk of the population who dont want him here ( including me )

But I am certain he will get the welcome he deserves
There will be two sides to the welcoming of Trump, not just the one you will hope for,but the large chunk of the population that voted for Brexit. What sort of message will it send to our American allies to keep rebuking him in public?

As one person said in the press, 'Before distancing us from the USA they need to visit the war cemeteries in Britain to see the graves of the many thousands of American airmen who died protecting us and fighting with us against our common enemy.

I want him to come, and could easily be standing behind you. 8-)
There will IMO be many people who will see something in Trump, even ignoring his politics, that is disturbing. An underlying perception of dishonest arrogance that has been fed to some extent by some of his off the cuff remarks. Although it takes some clear minded inner honesty to be able to allow one's inner perceptions to become clear in one's mind, I'm sure there are many OUTers who have that ability and will feel shamed if Trump is invited for a state visit.
I first became aware of this perceptiveness of 'dishonest arrogance' way back when seeing Jimmy Savile doing his bit in his Jim-will-fix-it chair. I couldn't bear to watch him.

Hitler agreed cooperation with Japan and he declared war on the US.

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I find it interesting to draw a parallel between Trump and Farage.

For years, Farage was denigrated for being a radical and anti EU, but in the end he got his way, much the same is being said of Trump, sooner or later the arrogant "deaf" politicians around the western hemisphere WILL have to listen to what Joe Bloggs is saying and feeling.

People are sick to the back teeth of what I term as politics for politicians and not what it should be which is politics for the people.

As I said last year, a change is coming and the ruling elite had best learn to be flexible and fair instead of arrogant and uncaring in the pursuit of an ideology which is doomed to failure without the consent of those that must "survive" within that ideology.

I am certain that our next generation will thank this one for holding our referendum and doing the sensible thing after our PM was belittled in asking for concessions and a relaxation of attitudes from the EU elite.

The result of those failed plaints will soon become apparent throughout the EU as the reverberations will surely spread, the foundation has been cracked and I am very glad.
I cannot for the life of me understand why otherwise intelligent and perceptive people get the idea in their heads that the likes of Farrage and Trump are anti-elite/establishment figures.

Farrage is an establishment cliche, who has complained of being "poor" on his £85k MEP salary and having to deal with "low grade" people as Ukip leader.

Trump is a billionaire who inherited his wealth and has filled his cabinet with other billionaires and corporate CEOs. Look at Trump tower FFS do you know anyone who lives like that?

The fakery is so obvious, its screaming in your face, if Trump and Farrage are anti-establishment I'm the king of Mars.
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There is the ballot box every five years or less for society to express its wishes, and so far the trouble makers and malcontents have failed miserably to divide the nation.
The Tories have divided the nation.
I suppose e the fact that we have a number of political parties involved in our politics dividing opinion has missed your observation.? They are all at it, just as people like yourself are.
Unfortunately the malcontents in the Tory party have had far more time in government in which to both divide and to damage this country.
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As you wish.

I and 17.4 million know different.
You are still part of the EU. You won't be, eventually. Then we will see if Carney, et.al, are right, wrong or at all useful to you. Your conclusions are premature. Maybe, the world will beat a path to your doorstep.
Bloody hell, that's one big 'maybe'. Still, let the dreamers dream for a while :)
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There ya go again spouting your BS.

We aint lost nothing yet. When we do, then crow,until then wind your neck and wingeing,I'm starting to feel sorry for you :facepalm:
But that lose 65M v lose 440M market size is the starting point isn't it?

Or as I put it a long while ago. Brexit for the EU will be like losing a foot but for the UK losing a leg. Both lose but guess which is going to run the faster afterwards.

David Davis is a good guy but he's no miracle worker especially when handicapped in negotiations by that arse Boris offending people.



Take that 440m and divide it into the ROW.See what you come up with ?
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There will be two sides to the welcoming of Trump, not just the one you will hope for,but the large chunk of the population that voted for Brexit. What sort of message will it send to our American allies to keep rebuking him in public?

As one person said in the press, 'Before distancing us from the USA they need to visit the war cemeteries in Britain to see the graves of the many thousands of American airmen who died protecting us and fighting with us against our common enemy.

I want him to come, and could easily be standing behind you. 8-)
There will IMO be many people who will see something in Trump, even ignoring his politics, that is disturbing. An underlying perception of dishonest arrogance that has been fed to some extent by some of his off the cuff remarks. Although it takes some clear minded inner honesty to be able to allow one's inner perceptions to become clear in one's mind, I'm sure there are many OUTers who have that ability and will feel shamed if Trump is invited for a state visit.
I first became aware of this perceptiveness of 'dishonest arrogance' way back when seeing Jimmy Savile doing his bit in his Jim-will-fix-it chair. I couldn't bear to watch him.

Hitler agreed cooperation with Japan and he declared war on the US.

Got news for ya.HITLER aint running the country :facepalm: :banghead:
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I find it interesting to draw a parallel between Trump and Farage.

For years, Farage was denigrated for being a radical and anti EU, but in the end he got his way, much the same is being said of Trump, sooner or later the arrogant "deaf" politicians around the western hemisphere WILL have to listen to what Joe Bloggs is saying and feeling.

People are sick to the back teeth of what I term as politics for politicians and not what it should be which is politics for the people.

As I said last year, a change is coming and the ruling elite had best learn to be flexible and fair instead of arrogant and uncaring in the pursuit of an ideology which is doomed to failure without the consent of those that must "survive" within that ideology.

I am certain that our next generation will thank this one for holding our referendum and doing the sensible thing after our PM was belittled in asking for concessions and a relaxation of attitudes from the EU elite.

The result of those failed plaints will soon become apparent throughout the EU as the reverberations will surely spread, the foundation has been cracked and I am very glad.
I cannot for the life of me understand why otherwise intelligent and perceptive people get the idea in their heads that the likes of Farrage and Trump are anti-elite/establishment figures.

Farrage is an establishment cliche, who has complained of being "poor" on his £85k MEP salary and having to deal with "low grade" people as Ukip leader.

Trump is a billionaire who inherited his wealth and has filled his cabinet with other billionaires and corporate CEOs. Look at Trump tower FFS do you know anyone who lives like that?

The fakery is so obvious, its screaming in your face, if Trump and Farrage are anti-establishment I'm the king of Mars.
And who do you suggest to replace them then ?

HILARY and CORBYN !jk! !jk! :facepalm: :banghead:

I would take the vote away from people lke you and Ctoo,you are dangerous,very dangerous to mankind
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I find it interesting to draw a parallel between Trump and Farage.

For years, Farage was denigrated for being a radical and anti EU, but in the end he got his way, much the same is being said of Trump, sooner or later the arrogant "deaf" politicians around the western hemisphere WILL have to listen to what Joe Bloggs is saying and feeling.

People are sick to the back teeth of what I term as politics for politicians and not what it should be which is politics for the people.

As I said last year, a change is coming and the ruling elite had best learn to be flexible and fair instead of arrogant and uncaring in the pursuit of an ideology which is doomed to failure without the consent of those that must "survive" within that ideology.

I am certain that our next generation will thank this one for holding our referendum and doing the sensible thing after our PM was belittled in asking for concessions and a relaxation of attitudes from the EU elite.

The result of those failed plaints will soon become apparent throughout the EU as the reverberations will surely spread, the foundation has been cracked and I am very glad.
I cannot for the life of me understand why otherwise intelligent and perceptive people get the idea in their heads that the likes of Farrage and Trump are anti-elite/establishment figures.

Farrage is an establishment cliche, who has complained of being "poor" on his £85k MEP salary and having to deal with "low grade" people as Ukip leader.

Trump is a billionaire who inherited his wealth and has filled his cabinet with other billionaires and corporate CEOs. Look at Trump tower FFS do you know anyone who lives like that?

The fakery is so obvious, its screaming in your face, if Trump and Farrage are anti-establishment I'm the king of Mars.
And who do you suggest to replace them then ?

HILARY and CORBYN !jk! !jk! :facepalm: :banghead:

I would take the vote away from people lke you and Ctoo,you are dangerous,very dangerous to mankind
I wouldn't vote for Clinton or Corbyn in a million years.

Nice to see you've shown your true democratic credentials though, I shall be sure to remind you of this next time you are complaining about undemocratic remainers.
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But getting POORER in world terms  :(
Yes, yes, yes, we shall see, those that are happy to be stuck in a rut will agree with you, as for us others, we wish to make progress one way or another, the EU has proven itself not to want to move forward so we have left the sclerotic tar baby behind and fucking good riddance to it, all it ever did was to slow things down.
Its quite deplorable how some people see their own country in such a bad light. Its as if they want it to fail, just so that they can achieve their own aspirational dreams. Shame on them.
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I suppose e the fact that we have a number of political parties involved in our politics dividing opinion has missed your observation.? They are all at it, just as people like yourself are.
Unfortunately the malcontents in the Tory party have had far more time in government in which to both divide and to damage this country.
The country will get over it.The protesters will go back to dying their orange hair.Maybe a few more tattoos and piercings with their dole money,while sitting with their bastard kids telling tales of rioting,attacking the enemy in full frontal charges,just like the light brigade. (Oh how the word BRAVERY has changed.)

Just like the divided country got over the Iraq war.You know the one with BLIAR and BUSH :facepalm:

Only difference is,TRUMP hasn't killed anyone yet.
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And who do you suggest to replace them then ?

HILARY and CORBYN !jk! !jk! :facepalm: :banghead:

I would take the vote away from people lke you and Ctoo,you are dangerous,very dangerous to mankind
I wouldn't vote for Clinton or Corbyn in a million years.

Nice to see you've shown your true democratic credentials though, I shall be sure to remind you of this next time you are complaining about undemocratic remainers.
You can quote it to me chapter and verse sunshine. I don't need safe spaces or playdo,I got thick skin
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