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| Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,580 Views) | |
| C-too | Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM Post #1 |
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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| Tytoalba | Feb 12 2017, 10:48 AM Post #1441 |
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That all depends on how you interpret the word establishment and how you try to use it. I like to turn to the dictionary clarify meanings. The Labour party are part of the establishment NOUN the action of establishing something or being established: "the establishment of an independent government" synonyms: setting up · start · getting going · initiation · institution · [More] a business organization, public institution, or household: "hotels or catering establishments" synonyms: business · place of business · premises · firm · company · [More] a group in a society exercising power and influence over matters of policy, opinion, or taste, and seen as resisting change. "he scandalized the Establishment of his day" · [More] synonyms: the powers that be · the authorities · the system · [More] the ecclesiastical system organized by law. |
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| C-too | Feb 12 2017, 10:50 AM Post #1442 |
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Wow, thanks for that. Who would've guessed
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| Tytoalba | Feb 12 2017, 10:51 AM Post #1443 |
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Has he used the words Muslims in the ban on certain countries? |
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| Steve K | Feb 12 2017, 11:49 AM Post #1444 |
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Can we keep this thread on topic please |
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2017, 02:38 PM Post #1445 |
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The topic being that the OP cannot differentiate between the words interference and influence? |
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| Steve K | Feb 12 2017, 02:43 PM Post #1446 |
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the trolling stops now
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| Steve K | Feb 13 2017, 03:47 PM Post #1447 |
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And back on topic, he seems to be losing even more support http://www.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx ![]() |
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| Tigger | Feb 13 2017, 11:27 PM Post #1448 |
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Nice to see Trump with the Canadian PM today, old bloke next to hip young dude. Not the expected fireworks either, looks like some reality is setting in at long last. He could probably have Trumps wife, if he wanted too. |
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| Steve K | Feb 13 2017, 11:49 PM Post #1449 |
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Well he's got a tough call right now on Michael Flynn who appears to have been caught breaking the law by discussing foreign affairs with the Russian ambassador, then lying and then lying to the Vice President who's been made to look a fool as a result. Some signs Trump is going to do the right thing and sack Flynn http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38964079 |
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| Curious Cdn | Feb 13 2017, 11:53 PM Post #1450 |
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The kid seems to have navigated that minefield rather well. A few Canadian government ministers went down to Washington beforehand to point out to all involved that trade with Canada is reciprocal and fair for both parties. So far, so good. There is always a chance that someone here will say something that Trump takes offence to and he will punish us, somehow. I wonder how many hours of coaching Trudeau was given about pathological narcissists from Abnormal Psychiatrists, hired by the Prime Minister's Office? |
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| Steve K | Feb 14 2017, 12:23 AM Post #1451 |
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Here's a good link on Trump: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/ Last 5 significant statements: False - "The murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years." - "While on FAKE NEWS @CNN, Bernie Sanders was cut off for using the term fake news to describe the network. They said technical difficulties!" - Says CNN’s Chris Cuomo "never asked" Sen. Richard Blumenthal about Blumenthal's misstatements on his own service in Vietnam. Mostly False - "I have already saved more than $700 million when I got involved in the negotiation on the F-35." Mostly True - Says "72% of refugees admitted into U.S. (2/3 -2/11) during COURT BREAKDOWN are from 7 countries: SYRIA, IRAQ, SOMALIA, IRAN, SUDAN, LIBYA & YEMEN." |
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| Curious Cdn | Feb 14 2017, 12:38 AM Post #1452 |
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Why would Flynn take it upon himself to negotiate with the Russians on his own? Was he not doing it for his boss? ... the boss who is about to throw him under the bus? Trying to cut deals with sometime enemies, all the while subverting the authority of the President of that time is borderline treason. Trump's apparent connections with Russia smell like a dead makerel, to me. |
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| Rich | Feb 14 2017, 01:12 AM Post #1453 |
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Please do not take this personally, but it is a racing certainty that if a conspiracy theory is going to arise then it will come from the USA. |
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| Curious Cdn | Feb 14 2017, 03:31 AM Post #1454 |
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It's a bit more than a theory.. Somehow, the American security community have some sort of record of Flynn with the Russians, be it an eyewitness account or an actual recording. Edited by Curious Cdn, Feb 14 2017, 03:32 AM.
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| C-too | Feb 14 2017, 08:10 AM Post #1455 |
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Not that I'm aware of, but putting the ban on Muslim countries says it for him. The ban itself seems typical of right-wing thinking, i.e. simple solutions that have not been thought through. |
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| Oddball | Feb 14 2017, 08:40 AM Post #1456 |
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Considering the 18th and 19th and early 20th was the high period of 'British Empire'; and that during this period my ancestors were mostly farm labourers, scythmakers, brush makers, domestic maids, iron workers, and the odd private soldier, for most of that time devoid of voting rights - I'm kind of wondering just who this 'We ruled' assertion is all about? The truth is that it was only a handful of 'we' who held any real power and sway over Britain and the Empire. Also true that back in history I did have numbers of those who were 'bosses', but that was way back before the British Empire. Oh, and back to Trump - I personally find him a bit of a complex 'curate's egg', rather like a lot of politicians and business folks. -That this brew-ha about an official visit to this country, or appearence in Parliament, is political hypocrisy, given the histories of many MPs and other dictators/murderers that have enjoyed official welcomes and entertaining. Edited by Oddball, Feb 14 2017, 08:49 AM.
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| Tytoalba | Feb 14 2017, 10:02 AM Post #1457 |
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The Government has responded to the petition– “Donald Trump should make a State Visit to the United Kingdom.”. Government responded: HM Government believes the President of the United States should be extended the full courtesy of a State Visit. We look forward to welcoming President Trump once dates and arrangements are finalised. HM Government supports this petition. |
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| Steve K | Feb 14 2017, 10:13 AM Post #1458 |
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Well he's sacked him (technically Flynn resigned)Cue Trump tweeting that his judgment on people is so overrated?
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| Steve K | Feb 14 2017, 10:22 AM Post #1459 |
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Anyone see the return of Last Week Tonight (John Oliver) on Sky Atlantic yesterday? Devastating expose of Trumps serial lying with credible analysis not only of why he lies but how he is seeking to suppress challenge to his false version of reality. Perhaps most worrying is how his 'truth' appears (with evidence) to be what he hears and often mishears from Fox TVs morning shows. The most powerful man in the world and supposedly our brightest post Brexit hope might just be the puppet of the Murdoch family. Scary. |
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| Tytoalba | Feb 14 2017, 10:26 AM Post #1460 |
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Might just be, could be, perhaps, maybe. Is he? |
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| Steve K | Feb 14 2017, 10:38 AM Post #1461 |
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Could well be. I know you like to promote the view that we should only worry when total catastrophe has occurred but I suggest the sensible approach to life is to look for precursor indicators. A serially lying POTUS who defends his position by barring press from asking questions and having his spokesman defend his lies by saying "the president believes it" or "the president's supporters believe him" is a seriously worrying precursor indicator. Here have some reviews of that expose Washington Post: Grauniad Daily Mail Independent Also somewhat disturbingly, none of the Murdoch owned press are mentioning it |
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| Curious Cdn | Feb 14 2017, 11:08 AM Post #1462 |
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Flynn would never have tried to negotiate with the Russians on his own. Why would he and how could he without himself having the power to cancel the sanctions against them? He did it on Trump's behalf. He must have. Acting ALONE makes zero sense, because it would all be talk and the Russians would know it from the start. So, before he was actually President, Trump had an operative tell the Russians that sanctions just imposed by his Commander-in-Chief were going to be overturned by Trump (in exchange for what?) A private citizen trying to make private deals on matters of national security (the sanctions were a response to hacking of a democratic election) with an erstwhile enemy is an act of treason. It is illegal for private citizens to carry on that sort of negotiation in American law, anyway but with a military adversary during a time on near war? That is an act of treason, pure and simple. Flynn is taking the fall but Trump did it. |
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| Steve K | Feb 14 2017, 11:16 AM Post #1463 |
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Probably but what got him the sack was lying to Mike Pence who we have to assume Trump hadn't bothered to keep in the loop It's become increasingly clear that Pence is no one's tame Vice President as he's key to keeping the Hill onside for Trump. It may be that arch conservative (and occasional liar) Pence turns out to be more dangerous than Trump himself. |
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| Curious Cdn | Feb 14 2017, 11:46 AM Post #1464 |
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If and when Trump is impeached, Pence becomes President. He is an ultra-right Republican true believer and you a can bet that there is a fair part of the Republican Party apparatus working on the speedy removal of Trump. It reminds me more than a little of some of the events in ancient Rome during Julius Caesar's reign. Edited by Curious Cdn, Feb 14 2017, 11:56 AM.
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| C-too | Feb 14 2017, 11:53 AM Post #1465 |
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As previous American presidents have waited a year or more before being offered such a visit, the grovelling reality of the invitation is clear to see. It seems that some people are quite happy to see the UK brought to its knees in desperation. Edited by C-too, Feb 14 2017, 11:54 AM.
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| Tytoalba | Feb 14 2017, 05:59 PM Post #1466 |
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That's remainers for you. Diplomacy is not their strong point. They really do think that their ideal version of the world can be made to work if only people were nice to each other. There is not much evidence of that ever happening anywhere, and this board alone does not see too much turning of cheeks or of brotherly love. there are over 10 countries with nuclear weapons totalling over 15000 of them Perhaps another war to end all wars might do the trick. |
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| Opinionater | Feb 14 2017, 06:09 PM Post #1467 |
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Doesn't that happen every election in every country, including our own? Maybe we should stop stupid people from voting. Now where have I seen that thread before? |
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| Steve K | Feb 14 2017, 08:22 PM Post #1468 |
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The Flynn scandal gets worse as the White House has admitted Trump knew weeks ago that Flynn had broken the law and that he'd lied to the now Vice President Mike Pence but that he only asked Flynn to resign when he realised the media would find out. IE Trump was happy to cover up a crime under the Logan Act and although he gets legal immunity his officials don't. Meantime Trump apparently has paralysis in his tweeting fingers as he's strangely silent on the topic. One more step along the road to an early departure from office |
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| Tigger | Feb 14 2017, 10:33 PM Post #1469 |
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Don't be so silly! We are so fucking desperate for trade deals and hoping and praying that Trump will in some way back us and help us out, and something to keep in mind. AMERICA FIRST! And have you noticed a lot of those around Trump are of IRISH descent! |
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| Tigger | Feb 14 2017, 10:35 PM Post #1470 |
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No way! These folks only learn the hard way, it's the only language they understand etc etc. |
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| C-too | Feb 15 2017, 12:40 PM Post #1471 |
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Diplomacy ? And what about Protocol ? Should we make exceptions for a maverick with simplistic ideas, a tendency to make somewhat nasty off the cuff remarks and who even got his first major decision wrong ? If the UK is going to make an exception then least lets be honest enough not fool ourselves as to the reason why. Edited by C-too, Feb 15 2017, 12:41 PM.
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| Tytoalba | Feb 15 2017, 12:50 PM Post #1472 |
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No exceptions, no anything. There is absolutely noting we can do about his election or his remaining. We are but onlookers to events outside our control, happening 5000 miles away in a different county. Getting worked up about him is pointless. Attacking Trump is about as much use as attacking the current leader of North Korea. |
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| C-too | Feb 15 2017, 01:11 PM Post #1473 |
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He is the leader of probably the most powerful country in the world and you think we should just ignore him ? Can't you see that, as you so often do, you are just attempting to defend what you wish to defend without looking at the full picture ? I will make honest comments on both Trump and North Korea. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 15 2017, 08:13 PM Post #1474 |
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Did Richard Nixon’s campaign conspire to scuttle the Vietnam War peace talks on the eve of the 1968 election to capture him the presidency? Absolutely, says Tom Charles Huston, the author of a comprehensive, still-secret report he prepared as a White House aide to Nixon. In one of 10 oral histories conducted by the National Archives and opened last week, Huston says “there is no question” that Nixon campaign aides sent a message to the South Vietnamese government, promising better terms if it obstructed the talks, and helped Nixon get elected. Nixon’s campaign manager, John Mitchell, “was directly involved,” Huston tells interviewer Timothy Naftali. And while “there is no evidence that I found” that Nixon participated, it is “inconceivable to me,” says Huston, that Mitchell “acted on his own initiative.” http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/yes-nixon-scuttled-the-vietnam-peace-talks-107623 Nothing new under the Sun eh? Not the same but just as sleazy John Kennedy got the mafia to persuade the Italians to vote for him then let Bobby shaft then when he got in. Sinatra never forgave them. Bottom line is that chicanery is the norm and Trump has the might of the establishment to demonise him. |
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| Steve K | Feb 15 2017, 08:22 PM Post #1475 |
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And Ted Heath put laxative in Gordon Banks meal that fateful day in Mexico just before the 1970 election? Well JFK, Nixon and Heath are rather dead so let's focus on what is increasingly looking like the bang to rights criminal that's very much still in office |
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| Deleted User | Feb 15 2017, 08:27 PM Post #1476 |
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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana So lets focus on the political reality of lies and subterfruge and not pretend it is the preserve of President Trump |
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| Steve K | Feb 15 2017, 08:34 PM Post #1477 |
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And so what? Surely Trump is one that (not being dead) can be held to account and then in future others will remember what is to them the past and know that being a lying little slimeball won't get them the enduring glory they might also crave. |
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| Steve K | Feb 15 2017, 08:38 PM Post #1478 |
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This tweet is interesting https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831846101179314177
A change in policy re Putin now that Flynn's gone? |
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| Deleted User | Feb 15 2017, 08:46 PM Post #1479 |
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So what if the lefties want to concentrate on hating the slimeball that won rather than the slimeball that lost? It simply illustrates how the 'liberals' bitter demonisation of Trump is subjective not objective. He reflects their impotence and hypocrisy. For instance on a dire music award ceremony the other night a large black man was performing some doggerel set to music called Rap 'music' and constantly referred to President Trump as 'Agent Orange' an obvious abusive remark about the colour of his skin. No one there seemed to mind or object. Now I wonder how many of these so called liberals would accept Obama being called a rusty wing nut...which actually describes his head perfectly |
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| Tigger | Feb 15 2017, 08:47 PM Post #1480 |
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With any luck, but there may be more Commie lovers in Trump's team. |
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IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.



the trolling stops now


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