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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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Feb 11 2017, 10:33 AM
I find it interesting to draw a parallel between Trump and Farage.

For years, Farage was denigrated for being a radical and anti EU, but in the end he got his way, much the same is being said of Trump, sooner or later the arrogant "deaf" politicians around the western hemisphere WILL have to listen to what Joe Bloggs is saying and feeling.

People are sick to the back teeth of what I term as politics for politicians and not what it should be which is politics for the people.

As I said last year, a change is coming and the ruling elite had best learn to be flexible and fair instead of arrogant and uncaring in the pursuit of an ideology which is doomed to failure without the consent of those that must "survive" within that ideology.

I am certain that our next generation will thank this one for holding our referendum and doing the sensible thing after our PM was belittled in asking for concessions and a relaxation of attitudes from the EU elite.

The result of those failed plaints will soon become apparent throughout the EU as the reverberations will surely spread, the foundation has been cracked and I am very glad.
I cannot for the life of me understand why otherwise intelligent and perceptive people get the idea in their heads that the likes of Farrage and Trump are anti-elite/establishment figures.

Farrage is an establishment cliche, who has complained of being "poor" on his £85k MEP salary and having to deal with "low grade" people as Ukip leader.

Trump is a billionaire who inherited his wealth and has filled his cabinet with other billionaires and corporate CEOs. Look at Trump tower FFS do you know anyone who lives like that?

The fakery is so obvious, its screaming in your face, if Trump and Farrage are anti-establishment I'm the king of Mars.
That all depends on how you interpret the word establishment and how you try to use it. I like to turn to the dictionary clarify meanings. The Labour party are part of the establishment

NOUN
the action of establishing something or being established:
"the establishment of an independent government"
synonyms: setting up · start · getting going · initiation · institution · [More]

a business organization, public institution, or household:
"hotels or catering establishments"
synonyms: business · place of business · premises · firm · company · [More]

a group in a society exercising power and influence over matters of policy, opinion, or taste, and seen as resisting change.
"he scandalized the Establishment of his day" · [More]

synonyms: the powers that be · the authorities · the system · [More]

the ecclesiastical system organized by law.
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Feb 11 2017, 06:34 PM

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There will IMO be many people who will see something in Trump, even ignoring his politics, that is disturbing. An underlying perception of dishonest arrogance that has been fed to some extent by some of his off the cuff remarks. Although it takes some clear minded inner honesty to be able to allow one's inner perceptions to become clear in one's mind, I'm sure there are many OUTers who have that ability and will feel shamed if Trump is invited for a state visit.
I first became aware of this perceptiveness of 'dishonest arrogance' way back when seeing Jimmy Savile doing his bit in his Jim-will-fix-it chair. I couldn't bear to watch him.

Hitler agreed cooperation with Japan and he declared war on the US.
Got news for ya.HITLER aint running the country :facepalm: :banghead:
Wow, thanks for that. Who would've guessed ;D
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. . But I am certain he will get the welcome he deserves
:thumbsup:

Seems he's now contemplating writing a new Presidential order. I'm sure his gophers will put it in better words than he would. Probably start as "No Mussies unless they're buying Ivanka's threads"
Has he used the words Muslims in the ban on certain countries?
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Can we keep this thread on topic please
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Feb 12 2017, 11:49 AM
Can we keep this thread on topic please


The topic being that the OP cannot differentiate between the words interference and influence?
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Feb 12 2017, 11:49 AM
Can we keep this thread on topic please


The topic being that the OP cannot differentiate between the words interference and influence?
!mod-s! the trolling stops now
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And back on topic, he seems to be losing even more support

http://www.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

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Nice to see Trump with the Canadian PM today, old bloke next to hip young dude. Not the expected fireworks either, looks like some reality is setting in at long last.

He could probably have Trumps wife, if he wanted too.
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Well he's got a tough call right now on Michael Flynn who appears to have been caught breaking the law by discussing foreign affairs with the Russian ambassador, then lying and then lying to the Vice President who's been made to look a fool as a result.

Some signs Trump is going to do the right thing and sack Flynn

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38964079
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Nice to see Trump with the Canadian PM today, old bloke next to hip young dude. Not the expected fireworks either, looks like some reality is setting in at long last.

He could probably have Trumps wife, if he wanted too.
The kid seems to have navigated that minefield rather well. A few Canadian government ministers went down to Washington beforehand to point out to all involved that trade with Canada is reciprocal and fair for both parties.

So far, so good. There is always a chance that someone here will say something that Trump takes offence to and he will punish us, somehow.
I wonder how many hours of coaching Trudeau was given about pathological narcissists from Abnormal Psychiatrists, hired by the Prime Minister's Office?
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Here's a good link on Trump: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Last 5 significant statements:

False
- "The murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years."
- "While on FAKE NEWS @CNN, Bernie Sanders was cut off for using the term fake news to describe the network. They said technical difficulties!"
- Says CNN’s Chris Cuomo "never asked" Sen. Richard Blumenthal about Blumenthal's misstatements on his own service in Vietnam.

Mostly False
- "I have already saved more than $700 million when I got involved in the negotiation on the F-35."

Mostly True
- Says "72% of refugees admitted into U.S. (2/3 -2/11) during COURT BREAKDOWN are from 7 countries: SYRIA, IRAQ, SOMALIA, IRAN, SUDAN, LIBYA & YEMEN."
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Feb 13 2017, 11:49 PM
Well he's got a tough call right now on Michael Flynn who appears to have been caught breaking the law by discussing foreign affairs with the Russian ambassador, then lying and then lying to the Vice President who's been made to look a fool as a result.

Some signs Trump is going to do the right thing and sack Flynn

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38964079
Why would Flynn take it upon himself to negotiate with the Russians on his own? Was he not doing it for his boss? ... the boss who is about to throw him under the bus? Trying to cut deals with sometime enemies, all the while subverting the authority of the President of that time is borderline treason.

Trump's apparent connections with Russia smell like a dead makerel, to me.
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Well he's got a tough call right now on Michael Flynn who appears to have been caught breaking the law by discussing foreign affairs with the Russian ambassador, then lying and then lying to the Vice President who's been made to look a fool as a result.

Some signs Trump is going to do the right thing and sack Flynn

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38964079
Why would Flynn take it upon himself to negotiate with the Russians on his own? Was he not doing it for his boss? ... the boss who is about to throw him under the bus? Trying to cut deals with sometime enemies, all the while subverting the authority of the President of that time is borderline treason.

Trump's apparent connections with Russia smell like a dead makerel, to me.
Please do not take this personally, but it is a racing certainty that if a conspiracy theory is going to arise then it will come from the USA.
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Well he's got a tough call right now on Michael Flynn who appears to have been caught breaking the law by discussing foreign affairs with the Russian ambassador, then lying and then lying to the Vice President who's been made to look a fool as a result.

Some signs Trump is going to do the right thing and sack Flynn

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38964079
Why would Flynn take it upon himself to negotiate with the Russians on his own? Was he not doing it for his boss? ... the boss who is about to throw him under the bus? Trying to cut deals with sometime enemies, all the while subverting the authority of the President of that time is borderline treason.

Trump's apparent connections with Russia smell like a dead makerel, to me.
Please do not take this personally, but it is a racing certainty that if a conspiracy theory is going to arise then it will come from the USA.
It's a bit more than a theory.. Somehow, the American security community have some sort of record of Flynn with the Russians, be it an eyewitness account or an actual recording.
Edited by Curious Cdn, Feb 14 2017, 03:32 AM.
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. . But I am certain he will get the welcome he deserves
:thumbsup:

Seems he's now contemplating writing a new Presidential order. I'm sure his gophers will put it in better words than he would. Probably start as "No Mussies unless they're buying Ivanka's threads"
Has he used the words Muslims in the ban on certain countries?
Not that I'm aware of, but putting the ban on Muslim countries says it for him.

The ban itself seems typical of right-wing thinking, i.e. simple solutions that have not been thought through.
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Feb 7 2017, 02:05 PM
So you are not related to Zulu's or Poles then?

Do I sense a little England sense of belonging here??

You are so busted!! !jk!

Zulu's and Poles? ;D

The Birds Eye factory and the doctors surgery on a Friday afternoon? Are you projecting again Mary?

I'm probably one of those increasingly rare English people, a traditionalist in some ways, you know fairly easy going, tolerant and not always blaming outsiders for our own problems.......

You can see why the lurch to the right here and in the US is a cause of concern for us older style English folks...........
From your own words:


" I'm probably one of those increasingly rare English people, a traditionalist in some ways, you know fairly easy going, tolerant and not always blaming outsiders for our own problems......."


Are you having a fookin laugh ? We ruled half the world at one time :facepalm:
Considering the 18th and 19th and early 20th was the high period of 'British Empire'; and that during this period my ancestors were mostly farm labourers, scythmakers, brush makers, domestic maids, iron workers, and the odd private soldier, for most of that time devoid of voting rights - I'm kind of wondering just who this 'We ruled' assertion is all about?

The truth is that it was only a handful of 'we' who held any real power and sway over Britain and the Empire.

Also true that back in history I did have numbers of those who were 'bosses', but that was way back before the British Empire.


Oh, and back to Trump - I personally find him a bit of a complex 'curate's egg', rather like a lot of politicians and business folks. -That this brew-ha about an official visit to this country, or appearence in Parliament, is political hypocrisy, given the histories of many MPs and other dictators/murderers that have enjoyed official welcomes and entertaining.
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The Government has responded to the petition– “Donald Trump should make a State Visit to the United Kingdom.”.
Government responded:
HM Government believes the President of the United States should be extended the full courtesy of a State Visit. We look forward to welcoming President Trump once dates and arrangements are finalised.
HM Government supports this petition.
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Well he's got a tough call right now on Michael Flynn who appears to have been caught breaking the law by discussing foreign affairs with the Russian ambassador, then lying and then lying to the Vice President who's been made to look a fool as a result.

Some signs Trump is going to do the right thing and sack Flynn

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38964079
Why would Flynn take it upon himself to negotiate with the Russians on his own? Was he not doing it for his boss? ... the boss who is about to throw him under the bus? Trying to cut deals with sometime enemies, all the while subverting the authority of the President of that time is borderline treason.

Trump's apparent connections with Russia smell like a dead makerel, to me.
Well he's sacked him :thumbsup: (technically Flynn resigned)

Cue Trump tweeting that his judgment on people is so overrated? ;-)
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Anyone see the return of Last Week Tonight (John Oliver) on Sky Atlantic yesterday?

Devastating expose of Trumps serial lying with credible analysis not only of why he lies but how he is seeking to suppress challenge to his false version of reality. Perhaps most worrying is how his 'truth' appears (with evidence) to be what he hears and often mishears from Fox TVs morning shows.

The most powerful man in the world and supposedly our brightest post Brexit hope might just be the puppet of the Murdoch family. Scary.
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Anyone see the return of Last Week Tonight (John Oliver) on Sky Atlantic yesterday?

Devastating expose of Trumps serial lying with credible analysis not only of why he lies but how he is seeking to suppress challenge to his false version of reality. Perhaps most worrying is how his 'truth' appears (with evidence) to be what he hears and often mishears from Fox TVs morning shows.

The most powerful man in the world and supposedly our brightest post Brexit hope might just be the puppet of the Murdoch family. Scary.
Might just be, could be, perhaps, maybe.

Is he?
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Feb 14 2017, 10:22 AM
Anyone see the return of Last Week Tonight (John Oliver) on Sky Atlantic yesterday?

Devastating expose of Trumps serial lying with credible analysis not only of why he lies but how he is seeking to suppress challenge to his false version of reality. Perhaps most worrying is how his 'truth' appears (with evidence) to be what he hears and often mishears from Fox TVs morning shows.

The most powerful man in the world and supposedly our brightest post Brexit hope might just be the puppet of the Murdoch family. Scary.
Might just be, could be, perhaps, maybe.

Is he?
Could well be. I know you like to promote the view that we should only worry when total catastrophe has occurred but I suggest the sensible approach to life is to look for precursor indicators.

A serially lying POTUS who defends his position by barring press from asking questions and having his spokesman defend his lies by saying "the president believes it" or "the president's supporters believe him" is a seriously worrying precursor indicator.

Here have some reviews of that expose

Washington Post:

Grauniad

Daily Mail

Independent

Also somewhat disturbingly, none of the Murdoch owned press are mentioning it
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Well he's got a tough call right now on Michael Flynn who appears to have been caught breaking the law by discussing foreign affairs with the Russian ambassador, then lying and then lying to the Vice President who's been made to look a fool as a result.

Some signs Trump is going to do the right thing and sack Flynn

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38964079
Why would Flynn take it upon himself to negotiate with the Russians on his own? Was he not doing it for his boss? ... the boss who is about to throw him under the bus? Trying to cut deals with sometime enemies, all the while subverting the authority of the President of that time is borderline treason.

Trump's apparent connections with Russia smell like a dead makerel, to me.
Well he's sacked him :thumbsup: (technically Flynn resigned)

Cue Trump tweeting that his judgment on people is so overrated? ;-)

Flynn would never have tried to negotiate with the Russians on his own. Why would he and how could he without himself having the power to cancel the sanctions against them? He did it on Trump's behalf. He must have. Acting ALONE makes zero sense, because it would all be talk and the Russians would know it from the start.

So, before he was actually President, Trump had an operative tell the Russians that sanctions just imposed by his Commander-in-Chief were going to be overturned by Trump (in exchange for what?) A private citizen trying to make private deals on matters of national security (the sanctions were a response to hacking of a democratic election) with an erstwhile enemy is an act of treason. It is illegal for private citizens to carry on that sort of negotiation in American law, anyway but with a military adversary during a time on near war? That is an act of treason, pure and simple. Flynn is taking the fall but Trump did it.
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Well he's sacked him :thumbsup: (technically Flynn resigned)

Cue Trump tweeting that his judgment on people is so overrated? ;-)

Flynn would never have tried to negotiate with the Russians on his own. Why would he and how could he without himself having the power to cancel the sanctions against them? He did it on Trump's behalf. He must have. Acting ALONE makes zero sense, because it would all be talk and the Russians would know it from the start.

So, before he was actually President, Trump had an operative tell the Russians that sanctions just imposed by his Commander-in-Chief were going to be overturned by Trump (in exchange for what?) A private citizen trying to make private deals on matters of national security (the sanctions were a response to hacking of a democratic election) with an erstwhile enemy is an act of treason. It is illegal for private citizens to carry on that sort of negotiation in American law, anyway but with a military adversary during a time on near war? That is an act of treason, pure and simple. Flynn is taking the fall but Trump did it.
Probably but what got him the sack was lying to Mike Pence who we have to assume Trump hadn't bothered to keep in the loop

It's become increasingly clear that Pence is no one's tame Vice President as he's key to keeping the Hill onside for Trump. It may be that arch conservative (and occasional liar) Pence turns out to be more dangerous than Trump himself.

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Flynn would never have tried to negotiate with the Russians on his own. Why would he and how could he without himself having the power to cancel the sanctions against them? He did it on Trump's behalf. He must have. Acting ALONE makes zero sense, because it would all be talk and the Russians would know it from the start.

So, before he was actually President, Trump had an operative tell the Russians that sanctions just imposed by his Commander-in-Chief were going to be overturned by Trump (in exchange for what?) A private citizen trying to make private deals on matters of national security (the sanctions were a response to hacking of a democratic election) with an erstwhile enemy is an act of treason. It is illegal for private citizens to carry on that sort of negotiation in American law, anyway but with a military adversary during a time on near war? That is an act of treason, pure and simple. Flynn is taking the fall but Trump did it.
Probably but what got him the sack was lying to Mike Pence who we have to assume Trump hadn't bothered to keep in the loop

It's become increasingly clear that Pence is no one's tame Vice President as he's key to keeping the Hill onside for Trump. It may be that arch conservative (and occasional liar) Pence turns out to be more dangerous than Trump himself.

If and when Trump is impeached, Pence becomes President. He is an ultra-right Republican true believer and you a can bet that there is a fair part of the Republican Party apparatus working on the speedy removal of Trump. It reminds me more than a little of some of the events in ancient Rome during Julius Caesar's reign.
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The Government has responded to the petition– “Donald Trump should make a State Visit to the United Kingdom.”.
Government responded:
HM Government believes the President of the United States should be extended the full courtesy of a State Visit. We look forward to welcoming President Trump once dates and arrangements are finalised.
HM Government supports this petition.
As previous American presidents have waited a year or more before being offered such a visit, the grovelling reality of the invitation is clear to see. It seems that some people are quite happy to see the UK brought to its knees in desperation.

Edited by C-too, Feb 14 2017, 11:54 AM.
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The Government has responded to the petition– “Donald Trump should make a State Visit to the United Kingdom.”.
Government responded:
HM Government believes the President of the United States should be extended the full courtesy of a State Visit. We look forward to welcoming President Trump once dates and arrangements are finalised.
HM Government supports this petition.
As previous American presidents have waited a year or more before being offered such a visit, the grovelling reality of the invitation is clear to see. It seems that some people are quite happy to see the UK brought to its knees in desperation.

That's remainers for you. Diplomacy is not their strong point.
They really do think that their ideal version of the world can be made to work if only people were nice to each other. There is not much evidence of that ever happening anywhere, and this board alone does not see too much turning of cheeks or of brotherly love. there are over 10 countries with nuclear weapons totalling over 15000 of them

Perhaps another war to end all wars might do the trick.
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One must ask oneself just WHY right wing politics have come to the fore, it does not happen for no reason at all.
There are a lot of really stupid people out there who have been conned into voting against their own best interests?
Doesn't that happen every election in every country, including our own?

Maybe we should stop stupid people from voting. Now where have I seen that thread before?
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The Flynn scandal gets worse as the White House has admitted Trump knew weeks ago that Flynn had broken the law and that he'd lied to the now Vice President Mike Pence but that he only asked Flynn to resign when he realised the media would find out.

IE Trump was happy to cover up a crime under the Logan Act and although he gets legal immunity his officials don't.

Meantime Trump apparently has paralysis in his tweeting fingers as he's strangely silent on the topic.


One more step along the road to an early departure from office
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The Government has responded to the petition– “Donald Trump should make a State Visit to the United Kingdom.”.
Government responded:
HM Government believes the President of the United States should be extended the full courtesy of a State Visit. We look forward to welcoming President Trump once dates and arrangements are finalised.
HM Government supports this petition.
As previous American presidents have waited a year or more before being offered such a visit, the grovelling reality of the invitation is clear to see. It seems that some people are quite happy to see the UK brought to its knees in desperation.

That's remainers for you. Diplomacy is not their strong point.
They really do think that their ideal version of the world can be made to work if only people were nice to each other. There is not much evidence of that ever happening anywhere, and this board alone does not see too much turning of cheeks or of brotherly love. there are over 10 countries with nuclear weapons totalling over 15000 of them

Perhaps another war to end all wars might do the trick.
Don't be so silly! We are so fucking desperate for trade deals and hoping and praying that Trump will in some way back us and help us out, and something to keep in mind.

AMERICA FIRST!


And have you noticed a lot of those around Trump are of IRISH descent!  :o

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Maybe we should stop stupid people from voting. Now where have I seen that thread before?
No way! These folks only learn the hard way, it's the only language they understand etc etc.
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The Government has responded to the petition– “Donald Trump should make a State Visit to the United Kingdom.”.
Government responded:
HM Government believes the President of the United States should be extended the full courtesy of a State Visit. We look forward to welcoming President Trump once dates and arrangements are finalised.
HM Government supports this petition.
As previous American presidents have waited a year or more before being offered such a visit, the grovelling reality of the invitation is clear to see. It seems that some people are quite happy to see the UK brought to its knees in desperation.
That's remainers for you. Diplomacy is not their strong point.
They really do think that their ideal version of the world can be made to work if only people were nice to each other. There is not much evidence of that ever happening anywhere, and this board alone does not see too much turning of cheeks or of brotherly love. there are over 10 countries with nuclear weapons totalling over 15000 of them

Perhaps another war to end all wars might do the trick.
Diplomacy ? And what about Protocol ?

Should we make exceptions for a maverick with simplistic ideas, a tendency to make somewhat nasty off the cuff remarks and who even got his first major decision wrong ?
If the UK is going to make an exception then least lets be honest enough not fool ourselves as to the reason why.

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That's remainers for you. Diplomacy is not their strong point.
They really do think that their ideal version of the world can be made to work if only people were nice to each other. There is not much evidence of that ever happening anywhere, and this board alone does not see too much turning of cheeks or of brotherly love. there are over 10 countries with nuclear weapons totalling over 15000 of them

Perhaps another war to end all wars might do the trick.
Diplomacy ? And what about Protocol ?

Should we make exceptions for a maverick with simplistic ideas, a tendency to make somewhat nasty off the cuff remarks and who even got his first major decision wrong ?
If the UK is going to make an exception then least lets be honest enough not fool ourselves as to the reason why.

No exceptions, no anything. There is absolutely noting we can do about his election or his remaining.
We are but onlookers to events outside our control, happening 5000 miles away in a different county.
Getting worked up about him is pointless.
Attacking Trump is about as much use as attacking the current leader of North Korea.
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Diplomacy ? And what about Protocol ?

Should we make exceptions for a maverick with simplistic ideas, a tendency to make somewhat nasty off the cuff remarks and who even got his first major decision wrong ?
If the UK is going to make an exception then least lets be honest enough not fool ourselves as to the reason why.
No exceptions, no anything. There is absolutely noting we can do about his election or his remaining.
We are but onlookers to events outside our control, happening 5000 miles away in a different county.
Getting worked up about him is pointless.
Attacking Trump is about as much use as attacking the current leader of North Korea.
He is the leader of probably the most powerful country in the world and you think we should just ignore him ? Can't you see that, as you so often do, you are just attempting to defend what you wish to defend without looking at the full picture ?

I will make honest comments on both Trump and North Korea.
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Did Richard Nixon’s campaign conspire to scuttle the Vietnam War peace talks on the eve of the 1968 election to capture him the presidency?
Absolutely, says Tom Charles Huston, the author of a comprehensive, still-secret report he prepared as a White House aide to Nixon. In one of 10 oral histories conducted by the National Archives and opened last week, Huston says “there is no question” that Nixon campaign aides sent a message to the South Vietnamese government, promising better terms if it obstructed the talks, and helped Nixon get elected.
Nixon’s campaign manager, John Mitchell, “was directly involved,” Huston tells interviewer Timothy Naftali. And while “there is no evidence that I found” that Nixon participated, it is “inconceivable to me,” says Huston, that Mitchell “acted on his own initiative.”

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/yes-nixon-scuttled-the-vietnam-peace-talks-107623

Nothing new under the Sun eh?

Not the same but just as sleazy John Kennedy got the mafia to persuade the Italians to vote for him then let Bobby shaft then when he got in. Sinatra never forgave them.
Bottom line is that chicanery is the norm and Trump has the might of the establishment to demonise him.
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And Ted Heath put laxative in Gordon Banks meal that fateful day in Mexico just before the 1970 election?

Well JFK, Nixon and Heath are rather dead so let's focus on what is increasingly looking like the bang to rights criminal that's very much still in office
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And Ted Heath put laxative in Gordon Banks meal that fateful day in Mexico just before the 1970 election?

Well JFK, Nixon and Heath are rather dead so let's focus on what is increasingly looking like the bang to rights criminal that's very much still in office


Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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So lets focus on the political reality of lies and subterfruge and not pretend it is the preserve of President Trump
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And Ted Heath put laxative in Gordon Banks meal that fateful day in Mexico just before the 1970 election?

Well JFK, Nixon and Heath are rather dead so let's focus on what is increasingly looking like the bang to rights criminal that's very much still in office


Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
George Santayana
So lets focus on the political reality of lies and subterfruge and not pretend it is the preserve of President Trump
And so what?

Surely Trump is one that (not being dead) can be held to account and then in future others will remember what is to them the past and know that being a lying little slimeball won't get them the enduring glory they might also crave.

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This tweet is interesting

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831846101179314177
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Crimea was TAKEN by Russia during the Obama Administration. Was Obama too soft on Russia?

A change in policy re Putin now that Flynn's gone?
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And Ted Heath put laxative in Gordon Banks meal that fateful day in Mexico just before the 1970 election?

Well JFK, Nixon and Heath are rather dead so let's focus on what is increasingly looking like the bang to rights criminal that's very much still in office


Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
George Santayana
So lets focus on the political reality of lies and subterfruge and not pretend it is the preserve of President Trump
And so what?

Surely Trump is one that (not being dead) can be held to account and then in future others will remember what is to them the past and know that being a lying little slimeball won't get them the enduring glory they might also crave.


So what if the lefties want to concentrate on hating the slimeball that won rather than the slimeball that lost?
It simply illustrates how the 'liberals' bitter demonisation of Trump is subjective not objective. He reflects their impotence and hypocrisy.
For instance on a dire music award ceremony the other night a large black man was performing some doggerel set to music called Rap 'music' and constantly referred to President Trump as 'Agent Orange' an obvious abusive remark about the colour of his skin. No one there seemed to mind or object.
Now I wonder how many of these so called liberals would accept Obama being called a rusty wing nut...which actually describes his head perfectly

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This tweet is interesting

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831846101179314177
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Crimea was TAKEN by Russia during the Obama Administration. Was Obama too soft on Russia?

A change in policy re Putin now that Flynn's gone?
With any luck, but there may be more Commie lovers in Trump's team.
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