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| Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,613 Views) | |
| C-too | Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM Post #1 |
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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| Tytoalba | Jan 12 2017, 01:12 PM Post #121 |
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Challenge away, express your opinions like I do mine, for there is no means of preventing you from doing so. That remark is pointless, just as your challenges are. It is the pointlessness of the challenges I refer to, and the delusions that it can have any effect. Only the American people can change things if they are able to, within their own democratic system, and there is no likelihood of that. IMO |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 12 2017, 01:15 PM Post #122 |
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Not for me. I think you are right. |
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| Affa | Jan 12 2017, 01:21 PM Post #123 |
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My comment was made in respect of what you told. You stated a personal opinion, and I addressed that opinion - and gave an explanation for it. The rest was me saying why I think you could learn from taking note of what I, others, see as the greater influence directing your political position. |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 12 2017, 01:28 PM Post #124 |
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The Billionaires are successful people and are hardly likely to be open to bribes. If he wants the best, and sees them as the best then their wealth or lack of it is irrelevant, especially if they can share their wealth and expertise with the nation. |
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| Steve K | Jan 12 2017, 01:31 PM Post #125 |
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as Tesco say "every little helps" And Trump's durability will in part depend on the willingness of the likes of May and Boris to cuddle up to him and his team. So pointing out to Brits that they seek to cuddle up to the more dodgy of those in the the dodgy sector of politics is not just fair but necessary |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 12 2017, 01:34 PM Post #126 |
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If being for my own people before others makes me a tribalism, then you could be right. Tribalism seems to be a common state with human beings, something the liberal left idealists are trying to change. How unnatural of them, |
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| C-too | Jan 12 2017, 02:19 PM Post #127 |
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There is a natural element of tribalism in humans, I believe it's based upon the desire for personal safety which might account for people tying themselves to different political ideologies. The problem is that while personal safety covers a wide range of possibilities, political ideologies can be addressed with objectivity and logic and can be rationalised. The further the extremism of the ideology the less inclined are its followers to apply logic and objectivity. |
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| Affa | Jan 12 2017, 02:29 PM Post #128 |
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What you say requires that you identify who your "own people" are? Am I to assume you mean 'the independently wealthy'? |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 12 2017, 04:30 PM Post #129 |
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Not likely to be able to relate to mr and mrs joe public very well though are they? |
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| Affa | Jan 12 2017, 04:54 PM Post #130 |
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I also find the idea that 'Billionaires' (like Trump) are not likely to be persuaded to act in a manner/fashion that is influenced by material gain, hilarious. |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 12 2017, 05:22 PM Post #131 |
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There you go. A liberals attempt to change human nature and ten thousand years and more of human evolution. You must know, like I do, that in extremis our instincts and human nature comes to the irrational fore. I ask the question. When was the last time you got angry and lost your temper? You may not have done in recent times, but at some time you must. Its how we are. |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 12 2017, 05:29 PM Post #132 |
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No. When push comes to shove, in any circumstances, those that stand alongside me and me them. |
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| Steve K | Jan 12 2017, 06:46 PM Post #133 |
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But what we might do "in extremis" is neither to be applauded or accepted as what should be in normal circumstances. And it is that you have been trying to justify |
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| C-too | Jan 12 2017, 09:44 PM Post #134 |
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What has any of that got to do with applying objectivity and logic to politics ? |
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| Deleted User | Jan 12 2017, 09:48 PM Post #135 |
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Trump loves Great Britain. He will negotiate a trade agreement with Great Britain and it will be a great one. You know why?..because he only does great trade agreements. |
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| Steve K | Jan 12 2017, 10:10 PM Post #136 |
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Trade agreements have to be approved by the Hill Interesting to see his own nominees for heads of Defense and CIA already briefing off message http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38597754
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| Deleted User | Jan 12 2017, 10:13 PM Post #137 |
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Very overrated post. |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 12 2017, 10:36 PM Post #138 |
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I get the impression that there is backtracking from the original allegations. for there is no proof of them. Perhaps the proof or otherwise will be identified in 10 days time after he has been inaugurated. |
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| Affa | Jan 12 2017, 10:55 PM Post #139 |
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Where does that leave those that don't stand with you? |
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| Rich | Jan 13 2017, 12:20 AM Post #140 |
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Here is a clue, religion and politics have only ever had one singular answer to your question.....but hey, let the man take office and let us see how he does before we all condemn him, ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee. |
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| Affa | Jan 13 2017, 12:36 AM Post #141 |
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Rich; if you know of a post where I have derided Donald Trump, remind me of it. The worst I have said of him is that I am no fan. My position is that he is a placement, a man chosen by corporate business to represent corporate business in a time when corporate business is under pressure - not from the political elite but from those that elect them to office. When there is an underswell forming that looks like they can be a genuine challenge to the status quo, the Establishment steal the thunder and produces its own brand of 'change' that neuters the threat ....... UKIP to steal BNP thunder. Trump has stood 'for Americans'. I'll be greatly surprised if Americans stand him for very long ......... but it is what it is and so be it. |
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| The Buccaneer | Jan 13 2017, 02:11 AM Post #142 |
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How about we just wait and see how he gets on ? |
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| C-too | Jan 13 2017, 07:42 AM Post #143 |
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When in office I will give him credit where credit is due, criticise him where criticism is due and question situations that I'm uncertain of. Meanwhile, why should people ignore his arrogance, his lies and the way he denigrates just about everything and everyone ? |
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| RoofGardener | Jan 13 2017, 09:47 AM Post #144 |
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It's kinda worrying that Trump's nominee for Defense Secretary doesn't seem to know that NATO didn't EXIST in Word War Two !!
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 13 2017, 11:36 AM Post #145 |
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Why would "truth" suddenly appear in the middle of this bizarre nightmare? Wake me up when breakfast is ready. |
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| Steve K | Jan 13 2017, 12:02 PM Post #146 |
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Because it's always sensible to think ahead about consequences. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2017, 06:22 PM Post #147 |
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Not really . Reagan was clueless about anywhere beyond the US and there is no reason to believe the rest of his administration had much more of an idea than him. He fed the people what they wanted to hear ,told them that making rich people richer would be good for them,extolled freedom but was essentially a protectionist. Trump has been very specific in his promises though...that could be his undoing. |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 13 2017, 07:45 PM Post #148 |
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You mean people like you? You should know the answer to that one. |
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| C-too | Jan 13 2017, 08:25 PM Post #149 |
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Do you think that people who do not think the way you do should be side-lined ? i.e. there must be something wrong with them ? |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 13 2017, 11:35 PM Post #150 |
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I think silly questions, when the answers are self evident, should be ignored. |
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| C-too | Jan 14 2017, 07:17 AM Post #151 |
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Perhaps you are unaware of the impressions you give in your posts ? |
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| Deleted User | Jan 14 2017, 08:47 AM Post #152 |
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Oh the irony
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| C-too | Jan 14 2017, 11:55 AM Post #153 |
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I'd put your mirror away if I were you.
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| Deleted User | Jan 14 2017, 12:07 PM Post #154 |
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Oh the irony once again...
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| krugerman | Jan 14 2017, 01:15 PM Post #155 |
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The Question is : what to do about Russia There have been some suggestions that a trade-off could strike a peace deal in Ukraine, namely that in return for western and Ukrainian recognition of Crimea belonging to Russia, then Russia will cease its interference in eastern Ukraine. Such a deal could be achievable because the west is currently united in its opposition to what Russia is doing, and united in applying economic and other sanctions on Russia, and Russia would dearly like these sanctions to be lifted. But heres the potential "fly in the ointment" For whatever reason, Donald Trump appears to warm to Putin and has indicated he would like closer and better relations with Russia, but this does note bode very well with Europe, and Europe will not give way unless Russia cease's its interference in Ukraine. There is the potential for a future clash of policy between Europe and the United States under Donald Trump. But which way will Teressa May turn ?, will she follow the lead of David Cameron who stuck firmly on the side of Europe and Barack Obama, or will she be a traitor to the idea of sovereign integrity and side with mad man Donald Trump. ? For me personaly I am on the side of the people of Ukraine, this is a subject dear to my heart, because it is what they want which is what matters, and the Ukrainian people should stop been used as pieces in a chess game, The Ukraine does not belong to anyone except The Ukrainian people. If the Prime Minister of my country makes any move which undermines the wishes of the people of Ukraine, then I will turn against my country, for I am with Merkel, Hollande, the peoples of the Baltic nations, and the whole of free Europe - the emphasis been FREE Europe. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 14 2017, 01:33 PM Post #156 |
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If the US made it clear that it would not support the EU via NATO over the issue in Ukraine if they did not accept Crimea being in Russia's sphere of influence then the EU would huff and puff then accept it. |
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| krugerman | Jan 14 2017, 01:46 PM Post #157 |
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The issue of Crimea is not the issue Crimea is ( or was ) the only province of Ukraine which had a majority ethnic Russian population, and I believe that it is possible for Europe and Ukraine to be pragmatic and see that by accepting Russia's ilegal occupation in return for Russia halting its interference in other Ukrainian provinces ( Luhansk and Donetsk ), a long term deal could be struck in bringing peace. Europwe however will not accept giving way to Russia's continued interference in the disputed provinces, and will not lift the sanctions, regardless of what Trump thinks or does. This is my point - that there seems to be potential for a very serious split between Europe and Trump's America, which in turn would jeopordise the NATO alliance. Sacrificing what is part of Ukraine with a majority ethnic Ukrainian people is not acceptable, and if Mr Trump shows sympathy to Putin, then he is no friend of either Europe or the rule of law, and Teressa May MUST NOT side with such ideas. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 14 2017, 02:08 PM Post #158 |
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Russia was never going to let Ukraine out of its sphere of influence especially because of its military presence in Crimea. Russia has made it clear that they believe the EU and the US had no right to support a coup in Ukraine . So I doubt that they would accept they have acted illegally anyway. Trump may see Russia as a future asset to the US and Europe as a drain in military resources. The US never was a friend of Europe. Europe was and still is a lieutenant to the US. |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 14 2017, 02:33 PM Post #159 |
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Do I care and does it matter to me.? They obviously make an impression on you for it draws your attention. |
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| C-too | Jan 14 2017, 02:54 PM Post #160 |
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Nope it was your earlier comments that drew you to my attention. It should be simple enough for you to answer the question. I would have answered it if it had been asked of me. |
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