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So I was reading the thread all the way through and I ended up wondering what it was that drove someone to continuously post offensively with the main intention being to wind other people up. I googled it and came up with something called an ODD disorder. So that explains it.
I am sure CToo may be able to best advise us how to deal with such behaviour. In the meantime if a poster finds himself unable to post without being deliberately rude and offensive I guess the best approach would be to ignore said poster. Isn’t this referred to as not feeding the troll?
I fear it's too late for some, their parents should have hired the British 'Super Nanny', (from the American TV show), when the main offenders were under four years old.
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From todays Mail Anti-immigrant Sweden Democrats are now third biggest party in Sweden From polling four per cent in 2008, they now have 20 per cent support has to be reasons why there is a swing to the right wing of politics, so it might be a good idea for our left leaning friends to realise it is happening and address the reasons why it is happening. Just shouting abuse at your opponents is obviously just a release of fear that it is happening. A simple questions to ask Yah boos alone is not going to cut the mustard is it your selves is 'is it true' is it happening, what are the reasons for it, and what can be done about it. I of course blame you for the problems, but for you to accept it is anathema to you. It has to be someone elses fault and responsibility. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3349890/Sweden-Home-IKEA-meatballs-ABBA-racism-Swedish-right-wing-went-joke-big-political-player-just-seven-years.html#ixzz4ZPcXQAPS Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Correction There has to be reasons why there is a swing to the right wing of politics, so it might be a good idea for our left leaning friends to realise it is happening and address the reasons why it is happening. Just shouting abuse at your opponents is obviously just a release of fear that it is happening.Yah boos alone are not going to cut the mustard is it? A simple questions to ask your selves is 'is it true' is it happening, what are the reasons for it, and what can be done about it. I of course blame you for the problems, but for you to accept it is anathema to you. It has to be someone else's fault and responsibility but it really is yours to address. I think that too many use the left wing politics as a protective shield. . The Germans felt there was a good reason for the swing to the right in Germany in the 1920s. And look how that ended up
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Feb 22 2017, 02:59 PM
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From todays Mail Anti-immigrant Sweden Democrats are now third biggest party in Sweden From polling four per cent in 2008, they now have 20 per cent support has to be reasons why there is a swing to the right wing of politics, so it might be a good idea for our left leaning friends to realise it is happening and address the reasons why it is happening. Just shouting abuse at your opponents is obviously just a release of fear that it is happening. A simple questions to ask Yah boos alone is not going to cut the mustard is it your selves is 'is it true' is it happening, what are the reasons for it, and what can be done about it. I of course blame you for the problems, but for you to accept it is anathema to you. It has to be someone elses fault and responsibility. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3349890/Sweden-Home-IKEA-meatballs-ABBA-racism-Swedish-right-wing-went-joke-big-political-player-just-seven-years.html#ixzz4ZPcXQAPS Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Correction There has to be reasons why there is a swing to the right wing of politics, so it might be a good idea for our left leaning friends to realise it is happening and address the reasons why it is happening. Just shouting abuse at your opponents is obviously just a release of fear that it is happening.Yah boos alone are not going to cut the mustard is it? A simple questions to ask your selves is 'is it true' is it happening, what are the reasons for it, and what can be done about it. I of course blame you for the problems, but for you to accept it is anathema to you. It has to be someone else's fault and responsibility but it really is yours to address. I think that too many use the left wing politics as a protective shield. .
The Germans felt there was a good reason for the swing to the right in Germany in the 1920s. And look how that ended up Quite. Anyone with half a brain cell should know that demonising one section of society is a slippery slope that should make everyone, on the right and left, suitably cautious.
That is not the same thing as saying that debate and grievances should be ignored just that we should deal with those things as fully singed up card carrying adults not spiteful little children.
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Feb 22 2017, 03:55 PM
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The Germans felt there was a good reason for the swing to the right in Germany in the 1920s. And look how that ended up
Quite. Anyone with half a brain cell should know that demonising one section of society is a slippery slope that should make everyone, on the right and left, suitably cautious. That is not the same thing as saying that debate and grievances should be ignored just that we should deal with those things as fully singed up card carrying adults not spiteful little children.
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Feb 22 2017, 05:17 PM
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With regards to the specific topic "Donald Trump"
It would appear that this ridiculous state visit will go ahead, probably around June, and our poor old Queen will have to endure this sickening man and his plastic Barbie wife ( whats her name ?? "Malaria" or something.
So what will be the headline news at the time ?, will it be a wonderful celebration of a nice ceremonial visit by the American president, or will it be protests on a scale which we have probably not seen before. ?
Certainly the organisers are very busy, Facebook groups, Twitter and other social media, all police leave will be cancelled.
On Twitter Ronnie Joice added: “When Trump comes to the UK, we need to organise the largest protest march ever staged. Bring London to a total standstill.” (The Independent).
All we need now is an opposing march, which though would be much smaller, never the less it would be a box of gunpowder in a room with sparks flying, and as it is the strength of feeling is so bitter against Trump that anything could happen.
The whole thing is and was a total shambles, and Theressa May has made a colossal mistake Why do you think an opposing march would be much smaller ?
Could it be that all the people who agree with Trump are to busy working,maybe ? I know I will be
To pay the protesters benefits,I mean where is the money for their next tattoo coming from.Or the next piercing,or maybe hair dye ?
Or maybe they will be staying at home to protect their houses against squatters,what do you think ?
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Feb 22 2017, 05:23 PM
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To pay the protesters benefits,I mean where is the money for their next tattoo coming from.Or the next piercing,or maybe hair dye ?
Your are about 40 years out of date with those prejudices.
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Feb 22 2017, 05:28 PM
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The Germans felt there was a good reason for the swing to the right in Germany in the 1920s. And look how that ended up
Quite. Anyone with half a brain cell should know that demonising one section of society is a slippery slope that should make everyone, on the right and left, suitably cautious. That is not the same thing as saying that debate and grievances should be ignored just that we should deal with those things as fully singed up card carrying adults not spiteful little children.
Divide and conquer!
There would never be a Right-wing government in this country were it not for this policy, tactic, that gives wealthy extremists their platform to build on.
We're mugs, and treat as mugs!
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With regards to the specific topic "Donald Trump"
It would appear that this ridiculous state visit will go ahead, probably around June, and our poor old Queen will have to endure this sickening man and his plastic Barbie wife ( whats her name ?? "Malaria" or something.
So what will be the headline news at the time ?, will it be a wonderful celebration of a nice ceremonial visit by the American president, or will it be protests on a scale which we have probably not seen before. ?
Certainly the organisers are very busy, Facebook groups, Twitter and other social media, all police leave will be cancelled.
On Twitter Ronnie Joice added: “When Trump comes to the UK, we need to organise the largest protest march ever staged. Bring London to a total standstill.” (The Independent).
All we need now is an opposing march, which though would be much smaller, never the less it would be a box of gunpowder in a room with sparks flying, and as it is the strength of feeling is so bitter against Trump that anything could happen.
The whole thing is and was a total shambles, and Theressa May has made a colossal mistake IMO Mrs Trump is stunning ,is always well presented, wears gorgeous clothes and is a boost to the fashion industry (from High Street to haute couture)
I don't know any woman who thinks otherwise
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Feb 22 2017, 06:50 PM
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To pay the protesters benefits,I mean where is the money for their next tattoo coming from.Or the next piercing,or maybe hair dye ?
Your are about 40 years out of date with those prejudices. I would say I am spot on look at the news
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I would say I am spot on look at the news I have, not a "Crusty" in sight.
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From todays Mail Anti-immigrant Sweden Democrats are now third biggest party in Sweden From polling four per cent in 2008, they now have 20 per cent support has to be reasons why there is a swing to the right wing of politics, so it might be a good idea for our left leaning friends to realise it is happening and address the reasons why it is happening. Just shouting abuse at your opponents is obviously just a release of fear that it is happening. A simple questions to ask Yah boos alone is not going to cut the mustard is it your selves is 'is it true' is it happening, what are the reasons for it, and what can be done about it. I of course blame you for the problems, but for you to accept it is anathema to you. It has to be someone elses fault and responsibility. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3349890/Sweden-Home-IKEA-meatballs-ABBA-racism-Swedish-right-wing-went-joke-big-political-player-just-seven-years.html#ixzz4ZPcXQAPS Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Correction There has to be reasons why there is a swing to the right wing of politics, so it might be a good idea for our left leaning friends to realise it is happening and address the reasons why it is happening. Just shouting abuse at your opponents is obviously just a release of fear that it is happening.Yah boos alone are not going to cut the mustard is it? A simple questions to ask your selves is 'is it true' is it happening, what are the reasons for it, and what can be done about it. I of course blame you for the problems, but for you to accept it is anathema to you. It has to be someone else's fault and responsibility but it really is yours to address. I think that too many use the left wing politics as a protective shield. .
The Germans felt there was a good reason for the swing to the right in Germany in the 1920s. And look how that ended up I declare Godwin's Law by Proxy !
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With regards to the specific topic "Donald Trump"
It would appear that this ridiculous state visit will go ahead, probably around June, and our poor old Queen will have to endure this sickening man and his plastic Barbie wife ( whats her name ?? "Malaria" or something.
So what will be the headline news at the time ?, will it be a wonderful celebration of a nice ceremonial visit by the American president, or will it be protests on a scale which we have probably not seen before. ?
Certainly the organisers are very busy, Facebook groups, Twitter and other social media, all police leave will be cancelled.
On Twitter Ronnie Joice added: “When Trump comes to the UK, we need to organise the largest protest march ever staged. Bring London to a total standstill.” (The Independent).
All we need now is an opposing march, which though would be much smaller, never the less it would be a box of gunpowder in a room with sparks flying, and as it is the strength of feeling is so bitter against Trump that anything could happen.
The whole thing is and was a total shambles, and Theressa May has made a colossal mistake
IMO Mrs Trump is stunning ,is always well presented, wears gorgeous clothes and is a boost to the fashion industry (from High Street to haute couture) I don't know any woman who thinks otherwise As Mrs Merton might have asked "Well Melania what was it about the millionaire Donald Trump that first attracted you to him?"
Oh and is Donald going to give her a presidential pardon for her immigration offences? Link
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With regards to the specific topic "Donald Trump"
It would appear that this ridiculous state visit will go ahead, probably around June, and our poor old Queen will have to endure this sickening man and his plastic Barbie wife ( whats her name ?? "Malaria" or something.
So what will be the headline news at the time ?, will it be a wonderful celebration of a nice ceremonial visit by the American president, or will it be protests on a scale which we have probably not seen before. ?
Certainly the organisers are very busy, Facebook groups, Twitter and other social media, all police leave will be cancelled.
On Twitter Ronnie Joice added: “When Trump comes to the UK, we need to organise the largest protest march ever staged. Bring London to a total standstill.” (The Independent).
All we need now is an opposing march, which though would be much smaller, never the less it would be a box of gunpowder in a room with sparks flying, and as it is the strength of feeling is so bitter against Trump that anything could happen.
The whole thing is and was a total shambles, and Theressa May has made a colossal mistake
IMO Mrs Trump is stunning ,is always well presented, wears gorgeous clothes and is a boost to the fashion industry (from High Street to haute couture) I don't know any woman who thinks otherwise But a bit of a dumb blond maybe after her statement that appeared to be taken straight from Mrs Obama's statement.
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The Germans felt there was a good reason for the swing to the right in Germany in the 1920s. And look how that ended up
I declare Godwin's Law by Proxy ! My basic point was about the reasons for change needed by the German people. If you recall many of them were starving, 6million unemployed, and a national debt they had no chance of paying off.
It was a pointer to the claim that political extremists slide out of the woodwork when the economy fouls up. That's why so many of them are coming out of the woodwork now, which is the question that was asked by Tyto.
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My basic point was about the reasons for change needed by the German people. If you recall many of them were starving, 6million unemployed, and a national debt they had no chance of paying off. It was a pointer to the claim that political extremists slide out of the woodwork when the economy fouls up. That's why so many of them are coming out of the woodwork now, which is the question that was asked by Tyto. Well the left have been in charge of a large chunk of it for last 20 years and fooked it up. Think they would learn a lesson wouldn't you ?
Instead of Tax Tax Spend Spend.Lets see how much you can lay at conservatives hey. Try and keep it after 1900 ?
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IMO Mrs Trump is stunning ,is always well presented, wears gorgeous clothes and is a boost to the fashion industry (from High Street to haute couture)
I don't know any woman who thinks otherwise Are modern women really that shallow?
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I like Private Eye's pointing out two interesting stats
a) that there were no violent deaths in Sweden that night Trump referred to
whereas
b) there were 32 fatal shooting in the USA that same night and he said not a word about that
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Quite. Anyone with half a brain cell should know that demonising one section of society is a slippery slope that should make everyone, on the right and left, suitably cautious. That is not the same thing as saying that debate and grievances should be ignored just that we should deal with those things as fully singed up card carrying adults not spiteful little children. Who is demonising who? it seems rather that you want to demonise those that have a different view to your own It is a left wing scheme that is practiced constantly. First demonise your opponent for it then gives an excuse to insult and abuse them.
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Who is demonising who? it seems rather that you want to demonise those that have a different view to your own It is a left wing scheme that is practiced constantly. First demonise your opponent for it then gives an excuse to insult and abuse them. How does it go from memory? Your a racist a xenophobe , a Europhobe, a misogynist , a homophobe, a Nazi, a fascist . Forget the reasoned argument, stop them making it at all because you don't like it, and it might persuade someone it is right and your wrong.
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I like Private Eye's pointing out two interesting stats
a) that there were no violent deaths in Sweden that night Trump referred to
whereas
b) there were 32 fatal shooting in the USA that same night and he said not a word about that
That's because statistically there are 30,000 a year. That figure existed whilst Obama was President. Its so commonplace why should he mention it? No one has the power or ability to deal with it.
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Who is demonising who? it seems rather that you want to demonise those that have a different view to your own It is a left wing scheme that is practiced constantly. First demonise your opponent for it then gives an excuse to insult and abuse them.
How does it go from memory? Your a racist a xenophobe , a Europhobe, a misogynist , a homophobe, a Nazi, a fascist . Forget the reasoned argument, stop them making it at all because you don't like it, and it might persuade someone it is right and your wrong. That's a good impression of a snowflake btw, here's the thing, if you stand up in public and make statements that are either dubious or simply untrue adults will quickly pull you up on it.
And it's nice to see the British Brietbart blogger you were bigging up the other day forced to resign after he concluded bum sex was ok between man and boy.
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I like Private Eye's pointing out two interesting stats
a) that there were no violent deaths in Sweden that night Trump referred to
whereas
b) there were 32 fatal shooting in the USA that same night and he said not a word about that
That's because statistically there are 30,000 a year. That figure existed whilst Obama was President. Its so commonplace why should he mention it? No one has the power or ability to deal with it. Can you imagine the outrage from the NRA if 30,000 US citizens were killed by Muslims every year?
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I like Private Eye's pointing out two interesting stats
a) that there were no violent deaths in Sweden that night Trump referred to
whereas
b) there were 32 fatal shooting in the USA that same night and he said not a word about that
That's because statistically there are 30,000 a year. That figure existed whilst Obama was President. Its so commonplace why should he mention it? No one has the power or ability to deal with it.
Can you imagine the outrage from the NRA if 30,000 US citizens were killed by Muslims every year? Coincidentally I suspect the NRA neanderthals plan is to kill 30,000 muslims every year, then they'll go for the journalists.
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I like Private Eye's pointing out two interesting stats
a) that there were no violent deaths in Sweden that night Trump referred to
whereas
b) there were 32 fatal shooting in the USA that same night and he said not a word about that
That's because statistically there are 30,000 a year. That figure existed whilst Obama was President. Its so commonplace why should he mention it? No one has the power or ability to deal with it.
Or to bother pointing out that Sweden and Denmark are apparently the sex crime capitals of europe at least.
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My basic point was about the reasons for change needed by the German people. If you recall many of them were starving, 6million unemployed, and a national debt they had no chance of paying off. It was a pointer to the claim that political extremists slide out of the woodwork when the economy fouls up. That's why so many of them are coming out of the woodwork now, which is the question that was asked by Tyto.
Well the left have been in charge of a large chunk of it for last 20 years and fooked it up. Think they would learn a lesson wouldn't you ? Instead of Tax Tax Spend Spend.Lets see how much you can lay at conservatives hey. Try and keep it after 1900 ? It was the right-wing Deregulation/Financial Services/Free Market economy introduced in the 1980s that led to the UK's vulnerability, and the weaknesses that exist in the capitalist system that put the boot in. So your attempt to put the blame on the "left" once again reveals just how little you know of the realities.
UK politics have been overly dominated by Tory governments and a Tory House of Lords since 1900, it's such a pity you are unable to see the wood for trees.
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Who is demonising who? it seems rather that you want to demonise those that have a different view to your own It is a left wing scheme that is practiced constantly. First demonise your opponent for it then gives an excuse to insult and abuse them. If you are contending that East European Immigrants and Muslim Immigrants are not being demonised and blamed for everything under the sun on these forums and in the media then Frankly you are being extremely dishonest.
They create issues, FFS just existing creates issues, but they are ranted about to hide the fact that the current government (and I am not saying Labour would be any better) are flipping clueless or lack the backbone to do what is necessary to fix the country.
Secondly no one was calling you a racist or a xenophobe. Maybe your resorting so quickly to that assumption (to divert the point being made) says more about you then the point being made.
Once again most of us find ourselves having to live in the current not some rose tinted version of the past. The world is far more complicated than it was and if you cannot get your head around the complexities try dealing with one thing at a time. It is easier but even that soon blossoms into multiple complexities.
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Who is demonising who? it seems rather that you want to demonise those that have a different view to your own It is a left wing scheme that is practiced constantly. First demonise your opponent for it then gives an excuse to insult and abuse them. Pointing out reality is not demonising anyone. Whereas Righties defending extremism is a threat to society.
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Can you imagine the outrage from the NRA if 30,000 US citizens were killed by Muslims every year?
Coincidentally I suspect the NRA neanderthals plan is to kill 30,000 muslims every year, then they'll go for the journalists. Neanderthals? Forgot to add that to the list of the demonised .Do you think that is holding the high ground? We are all homo sapiens, or were you not aware of that?
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Who is demonising who? it seems rather that you want to demonise those that have a different view to your own It is a left wing scheme that is practiced constantly. First demonise your opponent for it then gives an excuse to insult and abuse them.
Pointing out reality is not demonising anyone. Whereas Righties defending extremism is a threat to society. You know better than that. Its just trying to raise yourselves by putting others down, and there is no doubt that taunts of 'racist and racism closed down discussions on immigration. Your becoming worse than the Anti Nazi league who closed down free speech at every opportunity, and were the real fascists. Did I read that a certain poster has been barred for his free speech. Who reported him/her? That one way of getting rid of your political opponents.
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Pointing out reality is not demonising anyone. Whereas Righties defending extremism is a threat to society.
You know better than that. Its just trying to raise yourselves by putting others down, and there is no doubt that taunts of 'racist and racism closed down discussions on immigration. Your becoming worse than the Anti Nazi league who closed down free speech at every opportunity, and were the real fascists. Did I read that a certain poster has been barred for his free speech. Who reported him/her? That one way of getting rid of your political opponents. You have repeatedly made disparaging comments about "lefties" and complained bitterly about people exercising their right to free speech by criticising Trump.
So how you feel justified complaining about people using insults or stifling free speech is beyond me.
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Coincidentally I suspect the NRA neanderthals plan is to kill 30,000 muslims every year, then they'll go for the journalists.
Neanderthals? Forgot to add that to the list of the demonised .Do you think that is holding the high ground? We are all homo sapiens, or were you not aware of that? Yes but those who advocate that the deranged should be able to buy assault weapons with no checks really don't qualify as being anything better than neanderthals
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I like Private Eye's pointing out two interesting stats
a) that there were no violent deaths in Sweden that night Trump referred to
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b) there were 32 fatal shooting in the USA that same night and he said not a word about that
That's because statistically there are 30,000 a year. That figure existed whilst Obama was President. Its so commonplace why should he mention it? No one has the power or ability to deal with it.
Or to bother pointing out that Sweden and Denmark are apparently the sex crime capitals of europe at least. Nope
perhaps you forgot that, as Julian Assange has shown, a lot of behaviours that we apparently say are legal are rightly counted as crimes there.
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Coincidentally I suspect the NRA neanderthals plan is to kill 30,000 muslims every year, then they'll go for the journalists.
Neanderthals? Forgot to add that to the list of the demonised .Do you think that is holding the high ground? We are all homo sapiens, or were you not aware of that? Except coal miners and other strikers, Lefties and remainers, that is
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thread closed while several Reports are looked into
Update The whole transgender use of toilets, marriage etc etc discussion tat has dominated this thread to day is now a separate thread
As mentioned there were multiple reports all of which I have upheld and a raft of unacceptable posts and provoked responses have been removed and will be reviewed to see if sanctions need to be applied
Any more deliberately offensive posting and the poster gets at least the night in the cooler
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Neanderthals? Forgot to add that to the list of the demonised .Do you think that is holding the high ground? We are all homo sapiens, or were you not aware of that?
Except coal miners and other strikers, Lefties and remainers, that is They are sincere enough and entitled to their opinions and views and the free speech that goes with it . None of it really matters except at the ballot box . They do seem to be declining in numbers as the years progress, though I did read that there were plans to open up a coal mine. Just think, that if they got all they want, there would be no further used for an old fashioned labour party except as a means to protect their own interests.
They are losing their purpose just as UKIP seem to be doing. When the jobs done then where the need?
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I like Private Eye's pointing out two interesting stats
a) that there were no violent deaths in Sweden that night Trump referred to
whereas
b) there were 32 fatal shooting in the USA that same night and he said not a word about that
That's because statistically there are 30,000 a year. That figure existed whilst Obama was President. Its so commonplace why should he mention it? No one has the power or ability to deal with it. Oh look Donald responds, he is Private Eye's puppet now
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/834916167177371648
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Donald J. TrumpVerified account@realDonaldTrump 11h11 hours ago More Seven people shot and killed yesterday in Chicago. What is going on there - totally out of control. Chicago needs help!
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from another thread
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- Feb 24 2017, 10:36 AM
Trump strikes me as a numpty.
I will have reached that opinion based on what I have read or seen because I personally haven’t seen the man. Given that all I seem to read and see about the man is negative and demeaning I am amazed anyone has managed to form a positive opinion of the man.
The actual point I am heading towards here is that even though I don’t like him I find the constant tirade of anti trump stories tiresome and more worryingly indicative of an anti trump bias. Basically I am so fed up of hearing about him I might actually enjoy him getting some positive coverage.
Rather than all this “Twatter” like nonsense about trump this and trump that wouldn’t it be better if we were to concentrate on more material issues. I am under the impression that Mr Trump intends on repealing Obamacare. I am under the impression that this will leave a lot of people without medical coverage. I fail to see how this can be a good thing and how anyone would be in favour of it.
Nope
Trump's twittering is an ongoing insight into his questionable sanity, his lack of morality and his inability to think things through. All the time he twitters such garbage why shouldn't we address it at times?
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from another thread - ACH1967
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Trump strikes me as a numpty.
I will have reached that opinion based on what I have read or seen because I personally haven’t seen the man. Given that all I seem to read and see about the man is negative and demeaning I am amazed anyone has managed to form a positive opinion of the man.
The actual point I am heading towards here is that even though I don’t like him I find the constant tirade of anti trump stories tiresome and more worryingly indicative of an anti trump bias. Basically I am so fed up of hearing about him I might actually enjoy him getting some positive coverage.
Rather than all this “Twatter” like nonsense about trump this and trump that wouldn’t it be better if we were to concentrate on more material issues. I am under the impression that Mr Trump intends on repealing Obamacare. I am under the impression that this will leave a lot of people without medical coverage. I fail to see how this can be a good thing and how anyone would be in favour of it.
Nope Trump's twittering is an ongoing insight into his questionable sanity, his lack of morality and his inability to think things through. All the time he twitters such garbage why should we address it at times? Because it makes us no better than him?
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Except coal miners and other strikers, Lefties and remainers, that is
They are sincere enough and entitled to their opinions and views and the free speech that goes with it . None of it really matters except at the ballot box . They do seem to be declining in numbers as the years progress, though I did read that there were plans to open up a coal mine. Just think, that if they got all they want, there would be no further used for an old fashioned labour party except as a means to protect their own interests. They are losing their purpose just as UKIP seem to be doing. When the jobs done then where the need? The lies to the judges and the misinformation in the press can be ignored
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Pointing out reality is not demonising anyone. Whereas Righties defending extremism is a threat to society.
You know better than that. Its just trying to raise yourselves by putting others down, and there is no doubt that taunts of 'racist and racism closed down discussions on immigration. Your becoming worse than the Anti Nazi league who closed down free speech at every opportunity, and were the real fascists. Did I read that a certain poster has been barred for his free speech. Who reported him/her? That one way of getting rid of your political opponents. Those who denigrate others for pointing out truths are not only a disgrace to themselves, they are also a threat to both democracy and society.
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