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| Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,570 Views) | |
| C-too | Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM Post #1 |
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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| Affa | Feb 24 2017, 07:00 PM Post #1841 |
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I too have no interest in reading these posts. Mostly I've paged down to select the few here I consider objective enough to make some sense of proportion ....... it's a very short list. |
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| Tigger | Feb 24 2017, 09:20 PM Post #1842 |
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And the Telegraph is reporting that Trump has banned what he considers left wing or fake news outlets from White House briefings, only approved right wing news organisations will be allowed in. It's started hasn't it?
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| Steve K | Feb 24 2017, 09:31 PM Post #1843 |
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-media-makes-up-sources-235345 Yes it has started
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| Rich | Feb 24 2017, 10:42 PM Post #1844 |
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Owl, there will ALWAYS be a constant need for a "credible" opposition to hold the government of the day to account no matter who that may be. In fact, I would go so far as to say that without an opposition then we may just as well turn over and give in for it is tantamount to living under a dictatorship. |
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| Tytoalba | Feb 24 2017, 11:26 PM Post #1845 |
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The 'truth' varies from person to person. Are you sure you get the truth or is what you hear and believe what you really want to believe. From any event we can select what suits us. We are mostly spectators to events so I cant get unduly worked up about things I have no control over. I really cannot understand why so many on the left do. There was a letter to my newspaper today that took my eye. "For me, any reservations about President Trump's policies evaporates when I see the rabble that represents his opponents." |
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| Tigger | Feb 25 2017, 12:15 AM Post #1846 |
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Are you in favour of Trumps team banning journalists from news outlets that report everything Trump says, good and bad? |
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| xosg | Feb 25 2017, 12:39 AM Post #1847 |
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I think it's terrible what he has done.I don't think his brain has caught up with events yet.I think he is still in bussinness mode and hasn't made the jump to president.Although I still support him I think he is way wrong on this one.I wouldn't go as far as the left in saying he has banned them.He has banned no one at the minute,pure hyperbole.Lets see going forward when his brain jumps from one mode to the other. He will be a good president I suspect. Edited by xosg, Feb 25 2017, 12:39 AM.
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| Curious Cdn | Feb 25 2017, 12:41 AM Post #1848 |
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Don't you mean to say:"Are you in favour of Trumps team banning journalists from news outlets that report everything Trump says, good and bad, Herr Goebbels?" |
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| Rich | Feb 25 2017, 12:58 AM Post #1849 |
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It seems to me that those that are upset with Trump gaining the Presidency have nothing better to do than criticize.....that is their prerogative and good luck to them. Have a look at how some other Americans are dealing with the new President. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3Qu_J_6WIM |
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| Curious Cdn | Feb 25 2017, 01:45 AM Post #1850 |
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He's going after the free press, now and he has surrounded himself with a cabinet of crony capitalists, all the while scapegoating Muslims for their trying to escape the American-induced horrors of their homelands and Mexicans because the Asian automation has taken Rust Belt jobs away. He is there because he wove a fabric of lies. The sooner he is gone, the better our world will be. BTW, check the latest insane rant.Trump is now AGAINST Brexit and FOR the EU. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-european-union-eu-us-president-totally-in-favour-wonderful-steve-bannon-mike-pence-a7596731.html Poor Britain. Love is so fleeting. He's been seduced by German pussy. Edited by Curious Cdn, Feb 25 2017, 01:51 AM.
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| C-too | Feb 25 2017, 08:40 AM Post #1851 |
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Today is not the problem, the problems will come in three or four years time IF Trump screws up, he's obviously made a good start at showing his incompetence. Hiding from the media ? fkn hell, just how secretive and undemocratic will this maverick prove to be. He continually invites criticism and righties continue to hide from reality. I don't understand why righties do this. |
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| C-too | Feb 25 2017, 08:46 AM Post #1852 |
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I think it became obvious even before the US election that Trump was a smart-mouther who said whatever popped into his head as a good answer at any particular moment. My impression is that he is a natural liar and a deliberate deceiver of people i.e. a typical extremist. |
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| Gnikkk | Feb 25 2017, 09:15 AM Post #1853 |
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A deliberate untruth is a lie, an opinion is not, an estimate is not, saying there is a propensity for bad things to happen is not a lie. You take his words out of context, today, yesterday, tomorrow alarming things are happening in Malmo, and other Swedish cities. I am not lying about this. Ditto Germany, ditto Turkey, Greece, the UK. It is my opinion, it is what I read, it is what friends around Europe tell me. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 25 2017, 09:24 AM Post #1854 |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden http://www.citylab.com/crime/2016/09/car-fires-sweden-denmark/499997/ |
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| Happy Hornet | Feb 25 2017, 09:27 AM Post #1855 |
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If it is deliberate then yes it is a lie imo. I don't know if Trump or his administration have deliberately told an untruth, but they have made claims that are demonstrably untrue. |
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| Tigger | Feb 25 2017, 10:29 AM Post #1856 |
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I thought you only believed stuff you could experience and see for yourself! Anyway it appears there is some method in Trumps madness as some of the long estalished "fake news" folks are reporting that the FBI are delving into the backgrounds of some of Trumps closest advisors as those links to Russia are not going away. The distraction seems to have worked this time, but for how much longer? |
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| Tigger | Feb 25 2017, 10:43 AM Post #1857 |
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Yes an amazing turn around, from being a threat to American interests the Donald is now a fan of the EU! But there might be a reason for this, British newspaper the Guardian on 16th of Feb published some detail of Trumps business links to Deutsche Bank, after US banks had all but given up lending to Trump due to his record of defaulting on very large loans he turned to DB. They lent him $640m which naturally he pissed up the wall and in traditional style blamed the lender for the problems! The crux of the matter is Russian "investors" underwrote the loan saving Trumps arse, Trump's family members also have dealings with DB, especially his wife who also seems to be a fan of Russia and it's money! Perhaps the Hun has some real dirt on Trump?
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| Ewill | Feb 25 2017, 10:48 AM Post #1858 |
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I agree However the Labour party as an effective opposition is currently hampered by lack of cohesion, not seats , the conservative party after the 97 landslide was hampered as an opposition by lack of seats, not cohesion |
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| Tytoalba | Feb 25 2017, 10:56 AM Post #1859 |
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He certainly makes a point . He hasn't excluded them from information and they get a written briefing, as well as being able to get the information from other journalists. The ones rejected are those that are directly opposed to his policies, broadcast only what is negative and do not report any positives. He does not appear to see them as being objective but constantly subjective in a manner he sees as fake news. The BBC were warned at a previous press conference the he saw them in the same light as he saw CNN as opponents of his. He said so. I think that the BBC has employees that use their positions to constantly support a left wing POV, often using just a word phrase, a subject, to emphasise, or even a negative word in a sentence, or cutting in or cutting out a piece of filmed reporting. There is no doubt in my mind that the BBC is biased against Trump, just as CNN and some newspapers are in exactly the same way so many posters are. Look how many on here are opposed to our own right wing press in their belief that they work against their own best interests, and wouldn't give them house room. The action is not to be approved of but I see it as a warning shot across the bows , and the status quo will return to what it was. Don't we all want the truth, objective reporting overall, combined with free speech, not continuous propaganda, or slanted false news? |
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| papasmurf | Feb 25 2017, 11:03 AM Post #1860 |
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That is why Leveson need fully implementing urgently. (Odd this has not been in the news.) http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news-parliament-2015/committee-response-government-consultation-press-regulation-16-17/ 23 February 2017 'Clear route and deadline' needed for a Leveson compliant press |
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| Tigger | Feb 25 2017, 11:05 AM Post #1861 |
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What on earth are you on about? How many times does Trump have to lie and be caught out before it finally sinks in? Even a child could understand exactly what is going on here, Trump is thin skinned and hates direct criticism! The parts of the media that approves of Trump often fails to even mention his false narrative, in fact it often defends or even enhances it, on the other hand the "lefty" parts of the media pull him up on these false claims and statements and rightly so. If you in any way think this is either unfair or biased then you are part of the problem. |
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| Tytoalba | Feb 25 2017, 11:06 AM Post #1862 |
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Absolutely. There has to be checks balances and revues of government policies and actions. with a strong party available for there to be a treat to the government of the day, or who the voters can turn to if they go too far, or threaten the well, being of the people. I believe that all parties work with each other behind the scenes., no matter what we see of their public face. |
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| Tytoalba | Feb 25 2017, 11:16 AM Post #1863 |
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What's started? Is it marches, demonstrations as well as law breaking in opposition to government polices or Trumps legitimate election? Wasn't there a demonstrations outside parliament and other places which the BBC reported with their fake news, as being in their thousands, with camera angles held low to make the numbers look bigger than they were? Two thousand at the most, and just hundreds or less elsewhere. What are you really afraid of that makes you resort to exaggeration and fake news? There were more people at speakers corner on a bright Sunday. Don't you have any trust in the sound common sense of your own people or our own government to do the right thing? |
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| Tytoalba | Feb 25 2017, 11:25 AM Post #1864 |
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Even the reporting that he has 'banned' some sections of the press or broadcasters is itself an example of the fake news he objects to. They can still attend and will get official updates. Push too far. and like Brexit, there will be a reaction. If people want the bigger picture they will have to turn to other newspapers or news broadcasters for it. |
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| Affa | Feb 25 2017, 11:31 AM Post #1865 |
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The press claim they are the voice of the people and exist to hold government to account. What the supporters of the right have done is to own the popular press and use it it to promote right wing policies. The press has become a State propaganda outlet not much different to any other State media control. |
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| Happy Hornet | Feb 25 2017, 11:34 AM Post #1866 |
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Oh please, if he's so concerned about "fake news" why hasn't he done anything about the falsehoods coming from his administration like the innuagaration numbers or made massacre in Bowling Green? This is simply the action of a man who can't take criticism, although he loves to dish it out. Moral cowardice in other words. |
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| C-too | Feb 25 2017, 11:50 AM Post #1867 |
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Let me remind you of what you posted. -------- "You know better than that. Its just trying to raise yourselves by putting others down, and there is no doubt that taunts of 'racist and racism closed down discussions on immigration. Your becoming worse than the Anti Nazi league who closed down free speech at every opportunity, and were the real fascists. Did I read that a certain poster has been barred for his free speech. Who reported him/her? That one way of getting rid of your political opponents." -------- There is a difference between just "putting others down" and holding "others" up to scrutiny. That you do not know the difference is part of the reason you have posted the insulting gobbledegook above. Banning parts of the media is an attempt to close down free speech, " are you suggesting Trump is the "real fascist ? And why you so against free speech, what does that say about you ? Trump's first so called defence against Muslim immigrants --- was apparently illegal --- an over simplistic fiasco caused by over simplistic immature thinking. |
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| Ewill | Feb 25 2017, 11:55 AM Post #1868 |
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Daily Mirror,Sunday Mirror , Lefty Bible ,Observer, Not Very Indy , Morning Star all widely available on line in newsagents and anywhere newspapers are sold and can hardly be called ''right wing'' |
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| Steve K | Feb 25 2017, 12:01 PM Post #1869 |
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Look we understand that you believe that it's OK for a would be despot to win the presidency through serial lying, illegal activity by his friends and use of illegally gained information to focus his campaign and you believe that it's also OK for him to set out to suppress scrutiny of his behaviours in office and that you feel it is wrong for us to air concern until it really does go so irreversibly wrong that even Pinocchiobart report concerns . . . . . . . but do you not realise what a poor light that and your other posts show you in? That it implies you are actually looking forward to him implementing illegal and immoral oppression and worse? |
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| Curious Cdn | Feb 25 2017, 02:06 PM Post #1870 |
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It all points to Russian money. No one else would back him, with his history and lots of Russia billionaires need a means of laundering their ill-gotten booty. |
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| Affa | Feb 25 2017, 02:48 PM Post #1871 |
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The term was 'popular' press. Besides which the State allow opposition press because if they did not permit some criticism, that criticism plus would appear from where the State has less influence over what is published. The Socialist Worker for example would become a National paper. Those newspapers you list represent a quarter of UK circulation - the rest aren't left leaning. I've never accused the State of being stupid - they're not! Edited by Affa, Feb 25 2017, 02:55 PM.
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| xosg | Feb 25 2017, 05:27 PM Post #1872 |
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I can tell you,you are absolutely right about the BBC.Having worked with them 100s of times.You do not go far or get a job with them if you are right wing. |
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| Tytoalba | Feb 25 2017, 05:28 PM Post #1873 |
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Do you really think that banning certain organisations from his press conferences will stop their free speech? It could encourage them to use it more in opposition to him. That said, the message is out and we should see more objective reporting, with greater care in its proof reading. Just to reassure you the Daily Mail has also been barred from his inner sanctum. |
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| Steve K | Feb 25 2017, 05:46 PM Post #1874 |
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So the well known Tory and senior BBC man Nick Robinson is just a figment of our imaginations is he?
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| C-too | Feb 25 2017, 06:02 PM Post #1875 |
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I said it's an attempt to close down free speech. Getting second hand info is not the same as seeing the facial expressions etc. of the individual making the comments. Banning people/organisations from press conferences is 1. Nasty. 2. Cowardly. 3. Suggests 'banana state politics' with a need for controlling everything 4. Suggests that there is something to hide. Those who dislike or specifically do not trust either the BBC or CNN expose their right wing extremism. They expose their hate to having their arrogance questioned. But then all Extremists in control have a tendency to vilify all opposition. |
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| Affa | Feb 25 2017, 06:39 PM Post #1876 |
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Seven of the top eight (by circulation) papers are recognised right-wing, or their owners are (conservative supporters). The mirror being the one exception. |
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| xosg | Feb 25 2017, 10:57 PM Post #1877 |
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One swallow does not make a summer.Have you ever worked for or with the BBC ? Stop trying to be clever and once in your life listen to experience. You may be good in your field,but your not good in everybody elses |
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| Tigger | Feb 25 2017, 11:13 PM Post #1878 |
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Oh dear! The right do hate clever don't they? ![]() A couple of right wing prominent BBC Jeremy's for you to take on board, Clarkson and Paxman, both now gone and of course shacked up with younger gals, no loyalty, typical..... |
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| Tytoalba | Feb 25 2017, 11:22 PM Post #1879 |
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You mean like they do Trump, and those supporting Brexit? I have noticed. Physician heal thyself. Attend to one's own faults, in preference to pointing out the alleged faults of others. |
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| Tigger | Feb 25 2017, 11:30 PM Post #1880 |
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So basically you have no comeback for Trumps numerous false statements and outright lies except to appeal to the "authority" of a piss poor proverb? So much for the left not being thick skinned enough to take on board criticism eh?
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IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.




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