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| Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,612 Views) | |
| C-too | Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM Post #1 |
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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| krugerman | Jan 14 2017, 04:31 PM Post #161 |
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If both the people and government of Ukraine decide they do not wish to be part of the sphere of influence of Russia, then they wont be part of it; The aspirations, wishes and desires of Ukrainians has nothing to do with Russia. Neither the United States or EU have ever supported a coup, because there has not been a coup in Ukraine, President Yanukovych fled the country after opposition parties in the democratically elected Parliament had indicated they would vote on impeaching him - most of his ministers simply disappeared. Your last two lines "Trump may see Russia as a future asset to the US and Europe as a drain in military resources.The US never was a friend of Europe. Europe was and still is a lieutenant to the US" Precisely As stated - Europe will not sacrifice The Ukraine and its people simply to please either Putin or Trump, there are several very strong principles here, namely the rule of law, the democratic and legitimate rights of a nation, its people and its sovereignty. If ever there was a very good reason for Europe to forge its own military co-operation and alliance, then this is it, and I for one will always be on the side of what is right. You appear to suggest that Europe will somehow fall into line, I can asure you that this will not happen, mainly because on this issue, Europe has "right" on its side. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 14 2017, 05:12 PM Post #162 |
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We can go round in circles arguing whether it was correct for the EU and the US to support pro western riots against a democratically elected Ukrainian government but the fact is that Russia reacted to it just as the US would have reacted to a pro Russian faction attempting to overthrow the Mexican government. Another fact is that Russia never was going to allow it to happen especially as they have a naval base in Crimea. So the US and EU gambled and the Ukrainian people lost. I can assure you that without a great deal of help from US forces the EU will sacrifice the Ukraine ..they will have little choice. I don't believe for a minute that the EU has any other interests than its own . If also don't believe that they have any appetite to confront Russia militarily ,either now or in the near future. Welcome to reality.. |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 14 2017, 05:48 PM Post #163 |
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Easier said than done when you're as handsome as I am 😂 |
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| Rich | Jan 14 2017, 05:52 PM Post #164 |
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I think that that could be said of every forum member.....the word you may be looking for is......perception,....which explains a lot of the animosity on this board. |
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 07:32 PM Post #165 |
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Wanna bet Ryan loses ? |
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 07:39 PM Post #166 |
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Why don't you just get it. CLINTON influenced the outcome of the election herself. The Russians had no influence whatsoever.If she hadn't done what she had done,there would be no problem,would there ? Are you saying the American people should have been kept in the dark about all her shenanigans ? If she hadn't created them,she wouldn't have a problem,would she ? A vile,deceitful,greedy woman. Go ask the people of HAITI. Don't say that is Bill Clinton,it is her to If anyone would cause WW3 it was her. Not TRUMP So what,if trump gets on with Putin ? |
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 07:40 PM Post #167 |
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I've no idea who will "win" but I'm wondering how long Trump can fool the millions of of naive fools who voted for him whilst at the same time enriching his fellow travellers, Twitter will only hold them off for so long. |
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 07:46 PM Post #168 |
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They don'y have to though, do they ? As long as the jobs come back and they handle the country just like their businesses. We don't need politicians.. We need business people and people who know what they are doing |
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 07:50 PM Post #169 |
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Oh, and we don't need experts either, apparently common sense and being plucky solves everything. |
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| Affa | Jan 14 2017, 07:51 PM Post #170 |
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 07:53 PM Post #171 |
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Common sense solves lot of things.Pity you lot on the left don't use it as much. EXPERT Always said it was an overated word,used so cheaply and often
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 07:55 PM Post #172 |
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I thought you were clever So you keep telling everyone. There is method behind the madness of using TWITTER. I will give you a cookie when you work it out
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 07:57 PM Post #173 |
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There is only going to be one winner,and it aint Ryan |
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 08:00 PM Post #174 |
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I frequently witness poorer right wing folks desecrating the very institutions that are designed to help them out, often out of nothing more than a bizarre desire to come across as tough and self reliant when in actual fact they are the most vulnerable group of all to sea changes in society and the global economy What was that about common sense again?
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 08:00 PM Post #175 |
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You need to try it out sometime |
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 08:01 PM Post #176 |
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All it will take is a video tape of Trump putting Communism before principles to render that argument moot. |
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 08:05 PM Post #177 |
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Yes, it's for people who like their misinformation bite sized and not overly complicated. SO SAD!
Edited by Tigger, Jan 14 2017, 08:05 PM.
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 08:05 PM Post #178 |
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Do you mean BREXIT Still harping on about that.Lets have a little bet shall we. I say," 1.We will get control of our borders back 2. We will come out of the Single market. ( If we stay in there will be NO FOM ) Despite all the moaners crying foul,the majority will get what they want. |
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 08:09 PM Post #179 |
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Oh I see. So if he gets along with PUTIN so what ? (He is a commie ) Better for the world,don't you think ? The worst outcome for ISIS (unless you support them,of course ? )
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 08:09 PM Post #180 |
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I'm really looking forward to a repeal of workers rights, even more state interference in our private lives and the wealth gap getting even bigger as the horrible truth finally sinks in. But at least there won't be a Polish family down the road working harder than you and earning more money.
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 08:10 PM Post #181 |
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Putin is a danger to democracy. End of self evident message. |
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 08:12 PM Post #182 |
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Unlike you,I don't believe everything the MSM tell me. ( You need to get out more ) I prefer to hear it from the horses mouth with no spin or politicization (call me old fashioned )You still don't get it,do you ? ( I just gave you a clue regarding Twitter ) |
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 08:15 PM Post #183 |
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Sarting to sound like a democrat now. ( you still aint learned nothing,have you ? Best sign up to Corbyn while you can. Because he has learnt absolutely fook all as well
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 08:17 PM Post #184 |
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Oh we do love someone to hate,don't we ? You still watching the BBC then Commies under the bed and all that,what McCarthy would have loved you |
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 08:20 PM Post #185 |
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So was CLINTON. Notice the past tense (wow, I surprise myself sometimes ) Now lets get back to the present : ASSAD,I suppose he is a danger also ( so the BBC says )
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 08:25 PM Post #186 |
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I much prefer Russia's Channel 1, I do like a good false rape story concocted in the back room of a Kremlin office, yourself? |
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 08:25 PM Post #187 |
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I think you need to stop now before I embarrass you more.I don't get a kick out of belittling lefties like I used to. (However I may have an exception in your case ) |
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 08:27 PM Post #188 |
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Heard all that shit before.Of course the WEST couldn't possibly do anything like that,could we ( call me old fashioned )
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 08:28 PM Post #189 |
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Assad is not really a problem to us domestically he is kept in place by Putin to spite the West, oh, and have you had your call up papers for the Russian Army yet? We'll need a few gullible Quislings for when the shit hits the fan....... |
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 08:30 PM Post #190 |
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Fancy a journalism course in Moscow? Special rates for turncoats apparently, just don't mention the little bald bloke in disrespectful terms especially when out for an evening walk. |
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 08:34 PM Post #191 |
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You do talk shite and go of on tangents sometimes Maybe its old age,maybe it's dementia, maybe it's stress.Have you seen a doctor
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 08:35 PM Post #192 |
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Remember, I'm not the one crawling up Putin's arse.
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 08:39 PM Post #193 |
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Unlike you,I know and have seen the propaganda and brainwashing your government puts out to the masses.One of the reasons I don't watch news programmes. Now the whole reason for this is to be oblivious to it's intended audience. Would'nt you agree ? I like to go elsewhere for my news (call me old fashioned ) that way you tend to get a more balanced view,would'nt you agree ? |
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 08:40 PM Post #194 |
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Show me that man ? Of with his head ( call me old fashioned ) |
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| Rich | Jan 14 2017, 08:50 PM Post #195 |
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Latin...ex= out of.....spurt = drip.
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| Tigger | Jan 14 2017, 08:51 PM Post #196 |
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You have mirrors right? Putin is not our friend, you and me with our gobs and strong opinions would not last long on his watch, and no that's not information from the MSM............ |
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| Deleted User | Jan 14 2017, 08:55 PM Post #197 |
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Since when did the West pick their friends from governments that insisted on personal freedom.? When did they actually care? |
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 08:56 PM Post #198 |
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Show me a post were I have said,implied that PUTIN is our friend ? I agree with you not denying it |
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 08:57 PM Post #199 |
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I LIKE IT,I LIKE IT.Give that man a jar of cookies
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| xosg | Jan 14 2017, 08:58 PM Post #200 |
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EXACTLY. Could'nt agree more
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