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Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,567 Views)
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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Feb 26 2017, 11:21 PM
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Feb 26 2017, 11:05 PM


Trump however is smart enough to know that some people are on to him, hence his attempts to discredit the media.
He's got to keep millions of thicko's distracted whilst he gets on with the real business of making er...America great again.

That's about it isn't it?


True. The thickos vainly protesting and the even bigger thickos buying Katy Perry records. Well spotted.
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I just wish that folks would give more credence to the man in the street than they do.....(imo) !!===

When the man in the street stops listening to politicians and insists they instead listen to him, only then will that man make a difference!
And I thank you for all time AFFA for bringing to light your phrase.

"the people in power ignore the power of the people at their peril" :thumbsup:
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I just wish that folks would give more credence to the man in the street than they do.....(imo) !!===

When the man in the street stops listening to politicians and insists they instead listen to him, only then will that man make a difference!
And I thank you for all time AFFA for bringing to light your phrase.

"the people in power ignore the power of the people at their peril" :thumbsup:
I really wish that were true.
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Feb 27 2017, 06:18 AM
I really wish that were true.
Quite, if voting changed anything it would be banned.
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Jan 8 2017, 01:05 AM

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Can you provide proof of "how corrupt she is" ?
No but the Russians certainly can.You seem to be about the only one along with another handful of individuals who think she is not corrupt.Even half her supporters only voted for her because she stole it from Bernie Sanders.They did not want her,have you heard the saying the two most hated candidates ever,that didn't come from me.That is not me talking that is half the electorate from her support base.

PS. Being a man of the world: "Tell me, if the Russians where so influential how did Hilary win the popular vote ?" Just a thought.Blows your theory out the window,don't it !!
Prove corruption first, or is that too obvious ?
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I just wish that folks would give more credence to the man in the street than they do.....(imo) !!===

When the man in the street stops listening to politicians and insists they instead listen to him, only then will that man make a difference!
When the "man in the street" can be bothered to get beyond his own personal needs and biased opinions and looks at the practicalities of running a country, then the shifting sands of popular opinion will not override logical debate.

Trump did a job on the American electorate by staying on the emotional side of politics, offering simplistic answers and insinuating that only he could deliver because everyone else just lied and deceived.
I had him pinned down before the election, that his approach appealed to the conspiracy minded who are themselves emotionally led people.
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Jan 8 2017, 08:53 AM
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Jan 8 2017, 12:40 AM

Why doesn't Trump grow up and stop acting like a schoolyard smart mouthing fool ?


That is the nature of narcissistic bullies. I've had to deal with two of them in my working life, pretty much like him too.

It's all about Trump. Everything will be about Trump. Trump doesn't really give a rat's ass about America. He thinks that he'll make America great again, solely because it will be led by him and HE is great! Things will happen in the world depending on whether Trump takes personal offence or whether you suck up to him and make him feel great.

Attila the Hun was probably like that.
12 days to go until the inauguration speech, let's be patient until then and see what transpires thereafter.
I will give credit to Trump if he manages to "make America great again". Meanwhile I will continue to give my opinion which is that Trump is a liar and will say anything that he thinks might make him appear to be a decent intelligent individual. He resorts to smart mouthing when he doesn't have an intelligent answer which exposes his schoolyard mentality.

My perception is that he is a liar and has always been a liar. He just tells his lies with such conviction that some swallow every word.

(Beware of what right-wingers bring to the table).
You don't, but his supporters do? Do you not understand how arrogant that is and how insulting that remark is to the 65 million American people who voted for him?
When we start thinking on those terms, doesn't it say more about us than them, and shows an extreme intolerance of those with a different POV to our own?
Ignoring Trump or Brexit issues isn't there something wrong with ourselves when we resort to such thinking to put down our political opponents?, Isn't t an entirely emotional response, not one of reason?
I'm sure that those supporting Trump will be equally aware when he lies, or rather is economical with the truth, or doesn't lie at all because he actually believes what he says, but is it as important to them as it is for his enemies, if in the end they achieve their aims?
Perhaps with your psychological knowledge you can explain the rationale of your claims, for like the claims made that those voted for Brexit are stupid, ill informed or were deceived, it is just self serving nonsense.
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Feb 27 2017, 12:13 AM
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Feb 26 2017, 09:54 PM

I just wish that folks would give more credence to the man in the street than they do.....(imo) !!===

When the man in the street stops listening to politicians and insists they instead listen to him, only then will that man make a difference!
And I thank you for all time AFFA for bringing to light your phrase.

"the people in power ignore the power of the people at their peril" :thumbsup:
I wondered what had happened to the petard. Affa has it. LOL
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Feb 26 2017, 09:54 PM

I just wish that folks would give more credence to the man in the street than they do.....(imo) !!===

When the man in the street stops listening to politicians and insists they instead listen to him, only then will that man make a difference!
When the "man in the street" can be bothered to get beyond his own personal needs and biased opinions and looks at the practicalities of running a country, then the shifting sands of popular opinion will not override logical debate.

Trump did a job on the American electorate by staying on the emotional side of politics, offering simplistic answers and insinuating that only he could deliver because everyone else just lied and deceived.
I had him pinned down before the election, that his approach appealed to the conspiracy minded who are themselves emotionally led people.
I have to ask again. If what you say is true, why is it that your not influenced by the same things you claim other people are?
If here is an average of intelligence, and all are open to the same information that is available, why is it that only those with different views to our own cannot see the truth or are misinformed. ?
Am I missing something here?
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Feb 27 2017, 11:57 AM
Am I missing something here?
Yes

You make the mistake of assuming everyone has the same average intelligence, the same average honesty, the same average degree of believing in fairness and the same average degree of tolerance to others.

Take a normal distribution across each of those variables, stir in some cynical misinformation and it's not exactly that hard to build a winning position is it.
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Feb 27 2017, 12:10 PM
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Feb 27 2017, 11:57 AM
Am I missing something here?
Yes

You make the mistake of assuming everyone has the same average intelligence, the same average honesty, the same average degree of believing in fairness and the same average degree of tolerance to others.

Take a normal distribution across each of those variables, stir in some cynical misinformation and it's not exactly that hard to build a winning position is it.
I understood that average was the mean, the default position. that being an IQ of 100.

"Different test publishers utilize different scoring systems, for many modern IQ tests the average (or mean) score is set at 100 with a standard deviation of 15 so that scores conform to a normal distribution curve.
68 percent of scores fall within one standard deviation of the mean (that is, between 85 and 115)
95 percent of scores fall within the two "
My own score has been rated at 1*6 the second number from 2-4  ::)
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Am I missing something here?
Yes

You make the mistake of assuming everyone has the same average intelligence, the same average honesty, the same average degree of believing in fairness and the same average degree of tolerance to others.

Take a normal distribution across each of those variables, stir in some cynical misinformation and it's not exactly that hard to build a winning position is it.
Then why didn't the remain side build, it when things were in their favour? They had the big guns on their side, including the President of the USA. {voted in by the same " stupid2 people that voted Trump in} and they had the status quo to rely on?
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Feb 26 2017, 10:00 PM

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When the "man in the street" can be bothered to get beyond his own personal needs and biased opinions and looks at the practicalities of running a country, then the shifting sands of popular opinion will not override logical debate.

Trump did a job on the American electorate by staying on the emotional side of politics, offering simplistic answers and insinuating that only he could deliver because everyone else just lied and deceived.
I had him pinned down before the election, that his approach appealed to the conspiracy minded who are themselves emotionally led people.
I have to ask again. If what you say is true, why is it that your not influenced by the same things you claim other people are?
If here is an average of intelligence, and all are open to the same information that is available, why is it that only those with different views to our own cannot see the truth or are misinformed. ?
Am I missing something here?
Yes, you are missing something. As implied in my post, "conspiracy minded" people are emotionally led people. Problem is feelings cannot and do not think, feelings do not do logic.
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Feb 27 2017, 11:57 AM
Am I missing something here?
Yes

You make the mistake of assuming everyone has the same average intelligence, the same average honesty, the same average degree of believing in fairness and the same average degree of tolerance to others.

Take a normal distribution across each of those variables, stir in some cynical misinformation and it's not exactly that hard to build a winning position is it.
Then why didn't the remain side build, it when things were in their favour? They had the big guns on their side, including the President of the USA. {voted in by the same " stupid2 people that voted Trump in} and they had the status quo to rely on?
Because the Remain campaign was a complete Horlicks hamstrung by Cameron's incompetence and putting party unity above what he was affecting to campaign for.

PS IQ of 100 is the median figure not the mean.
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Feb 27 2017, 12:13 AM


"the people in power ignore the power of the people at their peril" :thumbsup:
Yeah, America has elected a fucking idiot and we've just committed economic suicide! ;D

I'd puff my chest out as well but it would be so undignified under the circumstances....
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"the people in power ignore the power of the people at their peril" :thumbsup:
Yeah, America has elected a fucking idiot and we've just committed economic suicide! ;D

I'd puff my chest out as well but it would be so undignified under the circumstances....


I guess now's the time to ask where in the great wide world you'd prefer to be in your masochistic and depressive state, care to tell us ?
Edited by The Buccaneer, Feb 27 2017, 11:23 PM.
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I guess now's the time to ask where in the great wide world you'd prefer to be in your masochistic and depressive state, care to tell us ?
I'd like to live in Britain not living in a state of perpetual delusion about it's past, yourself?
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Then why didn't the remain side build, it when things were in their favour? They had the big guns on their side, including the President of the USA. {voted in by the same " stupid2 people that voted Trump in} and they had the status quo to rely on?
Because the Remain campaign was a complete Horlicks hamstrung by Cameron's incompetence and putting party unity above what he was affecting to campaign for.

PS IQ of 100 is the median figure not the mean.
Unfortunately, the mode hovers around IQ 85 in Trumpistan.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4265658/Swedish-police-seal-block-flats-following-explosion.html

Another grenade attack in nothing wrong here Sweden.
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Feb 28 2017, 07:17 AM
Another neanderthal murder by Trumpistas

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39108060

A man arrested last week for shooting two Indians at a Kansas bar allegedly told a barmaid he had just opened fire on some "Iranian people".
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Another neanderthal murder by Trumpistas

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39108060

A man arrested last week for shooting two Indians at a Kansas bar allegedly told a barmaid he had just opened fire on some "Iranian people".
Competition time?

Is there a prize? Maybe a Palestinian alarm clock!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7_0NoRHOEM
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Another neanderthal murder by Trumpistas

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39108060

A man arrested last week for shooting two Indians at a Kansas bar allegedly told a barmaid he had just opened fire on some "Iranian people".
Competition time?

Is there a prize? Maybe a Palestinian alarm clock!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7_0NoRHOEM
Or the mosque mass shooting in Canada.

Everyone can play this game but what's the point?
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Quite. I just get sick of people posting rubbish about Sweden whether they be Trump himself or posters here trying to say he was right.
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Quite. I just get sick of people posting rubbish about Sweden whether they be Trump himself or posters here trying to say he was right.
It's more the reaction of the Swedish politicians ect that is my point rather than Trumpy being right or wrong. I don't like him much.
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Quite. I just get sick of people posting rubbish about Sweden whether they be Trump himself or posters here trying to say he was right.
It's more the reaction of the Swedish politicians ect that is my point rather than Trumpy being right or wrong. I don't like him much.
And Trump's idiocy about Sweden and his attempt to mask that with disingenuity was the point at hand

Sweden with its unique way of registering crimes many times over deserve a thread of its own
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Quite. I just get sick of people posting rubbish about Sweden whether they be Trump himself or posters here trying to say he was right.
It's more the reaction of the Swedish politicians ect that is my point rather than Trumpy being right or wrong. I don't like him much.
And Trump's idiocy about Sweden and his attempt to mask that with disingenuity was the point at hand

Sweden with its unique way of registering crimes many times over deserve a thread of its own
I wouldn't expect greater knowledge on situations to affect Trump's initial simplistic approach and views.
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"Top Republican says Trump's budget plan 'dead on arrival'"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39123281

This could be fun
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"Top Republican says Trump's budget plan 'dead on arrival'"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39123281

This could be fun
And a vast increase in military spending as well, as if the US wasn't already armed to the back teeth.

RT could barely contain itself today after all the Trump praise in the proceeding weeks!
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"Top Republican says Trump's budget plan 'dead on arrival'"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39123281

This could be fun
And a vast increase in military spending as well, as if the US wasn't already armed to the back teeth.

RT could barely contain itself today after all the Trump praise in the proceeding weeks!
Apparently, Obama had already okayed a $36 billion increase to the military budget, so Trump's big build-up is a whole $18 billion more, which is enough to buy one (1) squadron of the "pimped ride" variant of the F-35 Wild Turkey.
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"Top Republican says Trump's budget plan 'dead on arrival'"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39123281

This could be fun
And a vast increase in military spending as well, as if the US wasn't already armed to the back teeth.

RT could barely contain itself today after all the Trump praise in the proceeding weeks!
Apparently, Obama had already okayed a $36 billion increase to the military budget, so Trump's big build-up is a whole $18 billion more, which is enough to buy one (1) squadron of the "pimped ride" variant of the F-35 Wild Turkey.
His original comments on NATO might have had people thinking he would be cutting funding in armament. But then he changed his tune, that could prove to be one of his traits revealed as time goes on.
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Partial Victory
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Those of us who dont want Trump to be afforded a state visit may have secured a partial victory, a couple of newspapers are reporting this morning that Trump has "postponed the state visit until the autumn", and apparently this is to avoid demonstrations.

Personally I reckon that this could well be on advice from the CIA

Its good to know that public feeling can make a difference, and with a bit more effort perhaps the entire visit might get cancelled - Hooray
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Partial Victory
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Those of us who dont want Trump to be afforded a state visit may have secured a partial victory, a couple of newspapers are reporting this morning that Trump has "postponed the state visit until the autumn", and apparently this is to avoid demonstrations.

Personally I reckon that this could well be on advice from the CIA

Its good to know that public feeling can make a difference, and with a bit more effort perhaps the entire visit might get cancelled - Hooray
You are a hypocrite who won't listen to what others have to say...???
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Feb 28 2017, 07:17 AM
Another neanderthal murder by Trumpistas

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39108060

A man arrested last week for shooting two Indians at a Kansas bar allegedly told a barmaid he had just opened fire on some "Iranian people".


It's endemic in the USA where the world's most frightened population are allowed, even encouraged, to own guns, not just handguns, but assault weapons.

This bonehead might just as easily have killed a couple of black people for no reason.
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Feb 28 2017, 09:59 AM
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Feb 28 2017, 07:17 AM
Another neanderthal murder by Trumpistas

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39108060

A man arrested last week for shooting two Indians at a Kansas bar allegedly told a barmaid he had just opened fire on some "Iranian people".
It's endemic in the USA where the world's most frightened population are allowed, even encouraged, to own guns, not just handguns, but assault weapons.

This bonehead might just as easily have killed a couple of black people for no reason.
Unfortunately you are right. BUT racist attacks have increased in the UK since the referendum, and Trump's rhetoric is likely to see the same in America.
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So Trump has gone very quiet about his perjuring Attorney General who thinks it's just fine to lie on oath

Jeff Sessions
 
"I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn't have — did not have communications with the Russians, and I'm unable to comment on it.
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when all along he knew he'd been meeting the Russian Ambassador

It is just possible for Sessions to say he was mind numbingly stupid and doesn't understand plain English but more like he was plain stupid and hoped the media wouldn't uncover his meetings

Either way an honest president would have sacked him by now.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/mar/02/context-what-jeff-sessions-told-al-franken-about-m/
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So Trump has gone very quiet about his perjuring Attorney General who thinks it's just fine to lie on oath

Jeff Sessions
 
"I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn't have — did not have communications with the Russians, and I'm unable to comment on it.
"when all along he knew he'd been meeting the Russian Ambassador

It is just possible for Sessions to say he was mind numbingly stupid and doesn't understand plain English but more like he was plain stupid and hoped the media wouldn't uncover his meetings

Either way an honest president would have sacked him by now.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/mar/02/context-what-jeff-sessions-told-al-franken-about-m/
It was suggested on Newsnight(?) last night that Russian interference was designed to undermine Clinton, but was not intended or expected to get Trump elected.
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Mar 1 2017, 11:57 AM
Partial Victory
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Those of us who dont want Trump to be afforded a state visit may have secured a partial victory, a couple of newspapers are reporting this morning that Trump has "postponed the state visit until the autumn", and apparently this is to avoid demonstrations.

Personally I reckon that this could well be on advice from the CIA

Its good to know that public feeling can make a difference, and with a bit more effort perhaps the entire visit might get cancelled - Hooray
You are a hypocrite who won't listen to what others have to say...???
He can say it from the other side of the Atlantic, naturally you are very familiar with the concept of keeping those you find offensive out of our country.
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Mar 1 2017, 11:57 AM
Partial Victory
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Those of us who dont want Trump to be afforded a state visit may have secured a partial victory, a couple of newspapers are reporting this morning that Trump has "postponed the state visit until the autumn", and apparently this is to avoid demonstrations.
Personally I reckon that this could well be on advice from the CIA

Its good to know that public feeling can make a difference, and with a bit more effort perhaps the entire visit might get cancelled - Hooray
You are a hypocrite who won't listen to what others have to say...???
He can say it from the other side of the Atlantic, naturally you are very familiar with the concept of keeping those you find offensive out of our country.
IMO, he will not be allowed to be the completely immature mouthy fool that seems to come so naturally to him.

Give him criticism where its due, and he's earned plenty of that.
Give him credit where it is due, although we might have to wait some time for that.
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I see Trump is making big allegations but so far no evidence

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More here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39167110
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I see Trump is making big allegations but so far no evidence

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More here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39167110
Seems unlikely, more like throwing mud knowing that some will stick.
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