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Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,565 Views)
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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I'm going to guess that most people who signed that petition did so to infuriate the ones with a stick up their backside who voted not to let him gave a state visit.
yes they were the very same "misguided individuals acting like Trump's poodles" we were discussing
IMO --- Donald Mudslinger ... everyone's a liar and a user of false news bar me, --- is here right now, and needs to be challenged.

Perhaps his poodles who would find different ways to defend him should cease defending him.
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has anyone here got an open mind?
I don't know if GCHQ did do any covert checks, but most here readily accept they didn't. I rather remain unconvinced either way.
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has anyone here got an open mind?
I don't know if GCHQ did do any covert checks, but most here readily accept they didn't. I rather remain unconvinced either way.
The original accusation appeared on Fox News, it was full of ifs and buts with the assumption that if it was true then GCHQ was to blame. No evidence was produced, yet the Trump crew reported it as if it was true. IMO it was an ace piece of mudslinging.

The immaturity of some of Trumps comments, his insinuations that if it doesn't come from him then it's 'false news' along with the amount of mud he slings at different people, papers and news outlets suggests to me that the man suffers from a persecution complex. So much so that I find it increasingly difficult to trust anything he says.

Other than that I often place unproved accusations on what I refer to as "The unsolved shelf".
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I think the whole thing is amazing, and reinforces my initial feeling that DT will make politics (and international relations) MUCH more .... 'interesting'.

OK... so.. once more.. his press secretary merely repeated a story from Fox news, itself merely part of an interview with some former Security/Intelligence type person. So it wasn't even a Fox editorial; just a comment from an interviewee.

Unlike the "Sweden" thing, which was both prescient, and - based on events of the last couple-or-three years - entirely feasible - THIS one came out of the blue.

The idea that GCHQ could somehow tap into the telephone system of a commercial building in New York is just risible.
The fact that Sean Spicer (the press secretary) could even entertain such a concept, let alone speak it aloud in a press conference, is .. well... words fail me. What's he going to say NEXT ? That Elvis was involved ? Or perhaps the Illuminati. (now THAT would play well to Donald Trump's conspiracy mania).
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I think the whole thing is amazing, and reinforces my initial feeling that DT will make politics (and international relations) MUCH more .... 'interesting'.

OK... so.. once more.. his press secretary merely repeated a story from Fox news, itself merely part of an interview with some former Security/Intelligence type person. So it wasn't even a Fox editorial; just a comment from an interviewee.

Unlike the "Sweden" thing, which was both prescient, and - based on events of the last couple-or-three years - entirely feasible - THIS one came out of the blue.

The idea that GCHQ could somehow tap into the telephone system of a commercial building in New York is just risible.
The fact that Sean Spicer (the press secretary) could even entertain such a concept, let alone speak it aloud in a press conference, is .. well... words fail me. What's he going to say NEXT ? That Elvis was involved ? Or perhaps the Illuminati. (now THAT would play well to Donald Trump's conspiracy mania).
The Sweden statement was a deliberate lie (that further and worse incidents had just occurred)

The Spicer statement was deliberately repeating a lie with the intent of making people believe it was White House endorsed

You defend utter shits if you like, I'll call them out for what they are
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Mar 18 2017, 10:01 AM
The original accusation appeared on Fox News, it was full of ifs and buts with the assumption that if it was true then GCHQ was to blame. No evidence was produced, yet the Trump crew reported it as if it was true. IMO it was an ace piece of mudslinging.

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The person who made the comment is a long term contributor to Fox News, and is actually a judge! He has a history of saying things retarded right wing Americans might find chimes with their own disjointed outlook.

Lost causes in fact!
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepthis petition all of which are very much in "I see no evil, no one precious to me has died yet so all is fine" Posted Image"misguided individuals acting like Trump's poodles" we were discussing


But they didn't. Thst is something that bitter lefties name them.while accepting visits from the chinese president and our old friend mugabe. Misguided is telling the POTUS to piss off.
No one told him to piss off. What we object to is the arse licking, here have the fastest state visit invitation in history to the most dishonest, offensive and all round foul president of the USA just because some delude themselves he's our great white hope for trade. He's not

As others put it better: "he's not a messiah, he's a very naughty boy"


Do me a favour. We even had the midget speaker of the commons object to it.
The btits who are whining about the trump visit are the bitter losers of Brexit reprised .
They object to Trump who brings the 3 ring circus out for everyone to see and forget the other alternative was crooked hillary. Whatever you think if Trump he is the powerful man in the world and lefties having hissy fits about state visits are doing nothing except make themselves look weak,hypocritical and impotent.. .which they are.
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The original accusation appeared on Fox News, it was full of ifs and buts with the assumption that if it was true then GCHQ was to blame. No evidence was produced, yet the Trump crew reported it as if it was true. IMO it was an ace piece of mudslinging.

shelf".
The person who made the comment is a long term contributor to Fox News, and is actually a judge! He has a history of saying things retarded right wing Americans might find chimes with their own disjointed outlook.

Lost causes in fact!
Ah right... I must have misread something there.... my apologies, and thanks for the correction.

SteveK, you are correct about the Sweden comment; Donald Trump was wrong. However, unlike the GCHQ story, it WAS feasible. Indeed, 48 hours later, something DID happen.

Again !
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His net unpopularity has now reached record levels. 58% disapproval and only 37% approval with a massive swing against him over the last week as his wire tap lie is exposed as just that and the truth of his health care changes is becoming understood.

Levels like this look a lot like impeachment territory as if he doesn't reverse it soon, Congress members up for mid term elections will soon want to distance themselves from such a found out idiot.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx
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"FBI director James Comey has confirmed for the first time that the FBI is investigating alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election.
However, Mr Comey said his agency had seen no evidence to back up President Trump's claim that his phones had been tapped by the Obama administration.
He was giving evidence to the congressional intelligence committee."

Could it be that either Trump or Russia are guilty ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39324587
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But while all this is going on there is lots of activity in the swamp, the noise you can hear is not the sound of pumps draining it but the joyful splashing of Wall Streets finest being let off the leash and tossed some raw meat.

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"FBI director James Comey has confirmed for the first time that the FBI is investigating alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election.
However, Mr Comey said his agency had seen no evidence to back up President Trump's claim that his phones had been tapped by the Obama administration.
He was giving evidence to the congressional intelligence committee."

Could it be that either Trump or Russia are guilty ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39324587
Hey, i wonder if it is possible to hack and alter the final count of a referendum on ....


... never mind.
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Well it's official, Trump's a loser

He's just had to back down on his plan to replace Obamacare with Eff-all-Care because several Republicans made it clear they would vote him down

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39387550

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Well it's official, Trump's a loser

He's just had to back down on his plan to replace Obamacare with Eff-all-Care because several Republicans made it clear they would vote him down

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39387550

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Strange isn't it? Millions of American idiots voted to get rid of affordable care, but now it looks like affordable care will be replaced with fuck all care they suddenly start thinking again!

Idiot nation, idiot leader.
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Well it's official, Trump's a loser

He's just had to back down on his plan to replace Obamacare with Eff-all-Care because several Republicans made it clear they would vote him down

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39387550

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Apparently its all the Democrats fault that natural leader and genius deal maker Trump couldn't persuade his own party to vote for it 😂
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sanity!
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Well it's official, Trump's a loser

He's just had to back down on his plan to replace Obamacare with Eff-all-Care because several Republicans made it clear they would vote him down

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39387550

:)
Strange isn't it? Millions of American idiots voted to get rid of affordable care, but now it looks like affordable care will be replaced with fuck all care they suddenly start thinking again!

Idiot nation, idiot leader.
The American inability to build a modern healthcare system that is even the least bit comparable to that of every other developed Western nation is a symptom of their growing incompetence as a nation. When empires finally crumble, it ain't pretty.

It is usually a very dangerous time as well. Empires end with a lot of bangs in recent centuries ... maybe always.
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Well it's official, Trump's a loser

He's just had to back down on his plan to replace Obamacare with Eff-all-Care because several Republicans made it clear they would vote him down

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39387550

:)
Strange isn't it? Millions of American idiots voted to get rid of affordable care, but now it looks like affordable care will be replaced with fuck all care they suddenly start thinking again!

Idiot nation, idiot leader.
The American inability to build a modern healthcare system that is even the least bit comparable to that of every other developed Western nation is a symptom of their growing incompetence as a nation. When empires finally crumble, it ain't pretty.

It is usually a very dangerous time as well. Empires end with a lot of bangs in recent centuries ... maybe always.
Trump's ability to get his message across is 'big mouthed' but good, he's not so good at getting his policies through though.
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The American inability to build a modern healthcare system that is even the least bit comparable to that of every other developed Western nation is a symptom of their growing incompetence as a nation. When empires finally crumble, it ain't pretty.

It is usually a very dangerous time as well. Empires end with a lot of bangs in recent centuries ... maybe always.
Trump's ability to get his message across is 'big mouthed' but good, he's not so good at getting his policies through though.
He portrays himself as an uber businessman who is skilled at negotiating a great deal. What he actually is is a CEO and a bully who has long since gotten used to using a my way or the highway approach.

Now that it is becoming clearer by the day just how ineffective that approach is when executing the office of POTUS we are seeing just how spectacularly limited Trump really is.
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There's two issues at play here

a) That just 2 months in, Republican Senators are already looking at his net unpopularity and will vote the way that will get them re-elected

b) The USA really can't afford the Health system it wants. Sounds familiar? No one should pretend Obamacare was working well it was just less worse than what preceded it and a lot better than the make the rich richer even if the poor have to die idiocy Trump was putting forward
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Well he's failed to wreck millions of folks healthcare but the next thing on the list will be close to Trump's heart, tax cuts!

What is the betting that those who least need a tax cut will get the biggest one and those who could do with some help get close to nothing?

Oh, and he's expanding the military on the back of a smaller state, what could possibly go wrong! ;D
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History may very well remember this as the Hundred Day Presidency. The damage that all of this is doing to the American Republic is deep and irrepairable.
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Trumpisms ....

https://youtu.be/tEzYEJW0Tyo
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History may very well remember this as the Hundred Day Presidency. The damage that all of this is doing to the American Republic is deep and irrepairable.
What damage ? I mean.. really ? Nothing has actually HAPPENED !
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History may very well remember this as the Hundred Day Presidency. The damage that all of this is doing to the American Republic is deep and irrepairable.
What damage ? I mean.. really ? Nothing has actually HAPPENED !
The United States is tearing itsself in half.
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That seems somewhat hyperbolic CC ?
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History may very well remember this as the Hundred Day Presidency. The damage that all of this is doing to the American Republic is deep and irrepairable.
What damage ? I mean.. really ? Nothing has actually HAPPENED !
Families have been split up, people have had trips of a lifetime destroyed, many many more have been intimidated and some shot by idiots encouraged by Trump

But they'll be so glad now you've promised to fully compensate them and the bereaved
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History may very well remember this as the Hundred Day Presidency. The damage that all of this is doing to the American Republic is deep and irrepairable.
What damage ? I mean.. really ? Nothing has actually HAPPENED !
Families have been split up, people have had trips of a lifetime destroyed, many many more have been intimidated and some shot by idiots encouraged by Trump

But they'll be so glad now you've promised to fully compensate them and the bereaved
Steve I'm guessing your first 2 points regard the travel ban. What are you referring to on your following points when you say there has been intimidation and some shots? Or a link to this please?
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Oh please. What families have been split up ? Who has been "intimidated" ? As for "shots encouraged by Trump", that is errant nonsense. But even if all of the above was true (which it isn't), it hardly counts as "irreperable damage to the Republic". Indeed, in terms of the USA, it wouldn't even be measurable against the background noise.
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Families have been split up, people have had trips of a lifetime destroyed, many many more have been intimidated and some shot by idiots encouraged by Trump

But they'll be so glad now you've promised to fully compensate them and the bereaved
Steve I'm guessing your first 2 points regard the travel ban. What are you referring to on your following points when you say there has been intimidation and some shots? Or a link to this please?
Remember the Indians shot because a Trumpohile thought he could attack Iranians after the travel ban?

One died

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/27/kansas-shooting-indian-vigil-alok-madasani

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Oh please. What families have been split up ? Who has been "intimidated" ? As for "shots encouraged by Trump", that is errant nonsense. But even if all of the above was true (which it isn't), it hardly counts as "irreperable damage to the Republic". Indeed, in terms of the USA, it wouldn't even be measurable against the background noise.
So your only consideration is measurable damage to "the Republic" and not those individuals affected?

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That seems somewhat hyperbolic CC ?
No, I don't think so. The divisions emerging are deeper than they've been since the Civil War.

We are involved in Americana, daily. Did you know that the Girl Guides of Canada has susoended all trips and exchanges to the United States, indefinitely? The Toronto school board, one of the biggest on this continent has followed suit, lest any of the children in their charge get caught up at the border. We now have refugees regularly crossing illegally into Canada in Minus 30c weather, risking their lives.
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SteveK, scroll up. I was responding to CC's suggestion that ".. irreparable damage has been done to the Republic".

There where something like 45 shooting deaths in Chicago ALONE in February of this year (not sure of the overall figure for the entire USA). The attacks on the three Indians is a tragedy for them, but it hardly constitutes "irreparable damage to the Republic", and neither do any of the other incidents you mentioned, even if true.

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Steve I'm guessing your first 2 points regard the travel ban. What are you referring to on your following points when you say there has been intimidation and some shots? Or a link to this please?
Remember the Indians shot because a Trumpohile thought he could attack Iranians after the travel ban?

One died

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/27/kansas-shooting-indian-vigil-alok-madasani

Ok thanks for the link. Hard to put words about nutcases like him without breaking some rules on this forum.

I don't know what's worse, people like him or people like this woman below. Granted this is on Fox and Carlson is a Conservative but the venom this woman spouts is equally scary, and on mass.
This regards the Berkeley riots against Milo Yiannopoulos.

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Oh please. What families have been split up ? Who has been "intimidated" ? As for "shots encouraged by Trump", that is errant nonsense. But even if all of the above was true (which it isn't), it hardly counts as "irreperable damage to the Republic". Indeed, in terms of the USA, it wouldn't even be measurable against the background noise.
OK but he said history will record. And I concur on that. Right now a number of individuals have been hurt or disadvantaged by a callous set of actions. And once a state establishes that such callous unfair handling of individuals is the way to go it is on a very slippery path.

You don't keep law and order mainly by control and punishment, you keep it by having the vast majority of your population believing that fairness and justice are the right ways and by having leaders that can articulate that when immediate events cause doubts.

Trump is a callous arrogant arse, his values are despicable and if they become perceived as the way for the USA to go then the abyss beckons. Fortunately he's already being voted down by his own party and just 20 months left til mid term elections that could leave him a lame duck.

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That seems somewhat hyperbolic CC ?
No, I don't think so. The divisions emerging are deeper than they've been since the Civil War.

Bigger than Vietnam ? Bigger than de-seggretagion ? I find that hard to believe.
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We are involved in Americana, daily. Did you know that the Girl Guides of Canada has susoended all trips and exchanges to the United States, indefinitely? The Toronto school board, one of the biggest on this continent has followed suit, lest any of the children in their charge get caught up at the border.
Then both organisations are being panicky and silly, and I have to wonder if they are playing politics themselves. How would DT's Executive Order have effected Canadian Girl Guides or Toronto schoolchildren ?
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We now have refugees regularly crossing illegally into Canada in Minus 30c weather, risking their lives.

Now, do you mean legal asylum seekers, who have already declared their presence to the US authorities ? Or do you mean undocumented illegal immigrants ? And are they crossing into Canada in fear of Donald Trumps haircut ? Or is it - perhaps - because the cities of Montreal, Toronto, and a few others have loudly and publicly declared themselves to be "Sanctuary Cities", welcoming illegal immigrants ? [/quote]
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SteveK, scroll up. I was responding to CC's suggestion that ".. irreparable damage has been done to the Republic".

There where something like 45 shooting deaths in Chicago ALONE in February of this year (not sure of the overall figure for the entire USA). The attacks on the three Indians is a tragedy for them, but it hardly constitutes "irreparable damage to the Republic", and neither do any of the other incidents you mentioned, even if true.

The violence inherent in that culture is eating it u like a cancer, already. Add to it two halves of the population who believe (probably rightly so) that their election has been corrupted and that the result is stolen or that evil forces are at work fabricating fantasies designed to remove their well-meaning President from power. This is not going to a good place. You believe what you will but the US is getting weaker by the day.
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And yet curiously there are no major civil disturbances ?
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Now, do you mean legal asylum seekers, who have already declared their presence to the US authorities ? Or do you mean undocumented illegal immigrants ? And are they crossing into Canada in fear of Donald Trumps haircut ? Or is it - perhaps - because the cities of Montreal, Toronto, and a few others have loudly and publicly declared themselves to be "Sanctuary Cities", welcoming illegal immigrants ?

If they are undocumented illegals, how did they fly into the United States? Most of them have expiring US Visas. It is much easier to enter the United States than to enter Canada. It is much easier to be granted refugee Sanctuary in Canada, once you're here. It's pretty much impossible do do so in the US, now, if you have the wrong ethnicity.

I don't know which BritTab gave you the "Sanctuary City" idea but it is quite irrelevant in Canada.It's an American buzz phrase and a few Canadian cities said it while thumbing their noses at the nasty Yanks.

We area Sanctuary country. It has always been thus. Almost everyone here has some refugee background.

Mine? Jacobite Scots, Huegenots escaping their genocide, Anabaptists escaping another genocide, Loyalists escaping an American Revolution that was not nearly as noble as their mythology has made it out to be.

Others? The immediate neighbourhood that I live in was once a terminus on the Underground railroad.

In my lifetime ...Viet Boat People, South Asian Ugandans, Syrian Families, Postwar Dutch, Koreans fleeing war, Ukranians escaping the Soviets ... all came here for freedom within my memory and all have made positive contributions to this place.

The ones we missed? Canada turned away German Jewish refugees during WWII because they were Jewish.

They died.
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And yet curiously there are no major civil disturbances ?
... sixty days in?... no, not yet.

Wait for it.
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