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| Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,564 Views) | |
| C-too | Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM Post #1 |
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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| Steve K | Mar 26 2017, 09:24 PM Post #2081 |
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Yep, summer is coming. Few people riot in winter |
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| RoofGardener | Mar 27 2017, 10:13 AM Post #2082 |
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That's very interesting CC, and thanks for taking the time to respond so fully. However, set against the background of what you have said, how can you now put the "blame" on Donald Trump for the illegal immigrants crossing from the USA into Canada ? Three major Canadian cities loudly declared themselves to be "Sanctuary Cities" AFTER Trumps election. A fourth - Toronto - publicly re-dedicated itself as a SC shortly afterwards. (it originally declared itself back in 2014 I believe ? ) Is it not likely that it was THESE public announcements that encouraged illegals to try and cross into Canada, rather than anything that Trump has done ? (and lets remember, neither of his Executive Orders relating to immigration are active, having been temporarily blocked by the courts ? ) |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 03:16 PM Post #2083 |
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It is hyperbolic. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 03:27 PM Post #2084 |
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The divisions in the US were there long before Trump. Trump is just a symptom of the divisions. He offered a solution where the democrats offered patronising noises. Just how much did the US public hate and distrust Clinton to have voted Trump to office? I was hearing how bad the job situation was in the Southern states on forums ten or more years ago. Just as so many ordinary Americans didn't want a national health service ten or more years ago Millions of yanks want to keep what they catch and don't want others telling them what to do. They despise the European model of society. US jobs have been exported from the US for years now and nobody offered a solution..just more of the same, gay marriage and communal toilets. |
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| Steve K | Mar 27 2017, 05:05 PM Post #2085 |
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Yep very true except that Trump offered the illusion of a solution. I'll post again how Clarkson summed it up "In parts of America there are people who spend all day in the cold, freezing half to death in a queue for the food bank. Many have no warm clothes or teeth and, forgive my language, but exactly how much of a shit do you think they give about transgender issues or the effing polar bear?" Clinton was no leader, neither is Trump but he could act. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 27 2017, 05:13 PM Post #2086 |
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Well maybe but all Clinton could offer was more of the same with a woman in charge. Clarkson got it rightish . Trump is the product of failed past presidents, political correctness and more of the same exporting of production from the US to the third world etc etc. That's why every time I see a factoid about or a insult against Trump I only see someone blind in one eye spouting predigested rhetoric that could be fettled to suit Hilary in many cases. |
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| RoofGardener | Mar 27 2017, 07:35 PM Post #2087 |
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In the name of all that is holy, PLEASE don't tell me that you are suggesting Clarkson for president of the USA ? That would be an absolute.... Umm.. actually.. hold on a minute.... Dammit... you may be onto something there. And on THAT bombshell....
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 28 2017, 09:54 PM Post #2088 |
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Maybe so but it is far worse than you realize, living so far away from it, too. |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 28 2017, 09:57 PM Post #2089 |
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PLEASE don't tell me that you are suggesting Clarkson for president of the USA ? He's just the sort of loud-mouth berk that half of them are voting for, at the moment. Edited by Curious Cdn, Mar 28 2017, 09:58 PM.
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| C-too | Mar 28 2017, 10:42 PM Post #2090 |
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At least we could have a good laugh with Clarkson
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 28 2017, 11:31 PM Post #2091 |
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He's intentionally funny, at least (I think). |
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| Rich | Mar 29 2017, 12:12 AM Post #2092 |
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I purposefully go out of my way not to watch or listen to the big headed pig. |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 29 2017, 12:14 AM Post #2093 |
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I don't read Drumpf's tweets, either. |
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| Steve K | Mar 29 2017, 09:14 AM Post #2094 |
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He's also a very good observer of life, well worth reading where you'll see his extensive self criticism shows he has no pretension of ever being a leader. And his point is inescapable. Trump's win was in no small part down to the serial failure of more liberal leaders to articulate or deliver a fairer life to the majority of Americans. That Trumpism will deliver even worse was irrelevant to those of 'this pan is hot, I'll try the fire' mentality. |
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| Happy Hornet | Mar 29 2017, 09:36 AM Post #2095 |
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But surely by that logic the fact that previous liberal presidents got into power in the first place is down to previous right wing presidents failing to deliver? How far back do we go? |
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| Affa | Mar 29 2017, 09:56 AM Post #2096 |
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This idea that Liberal ideology, the caring sharing kind, has caused the US to get behind Trump is ludicrous. The actual cause is Neo-liberalism and the sort that Trump himself has adopted and lived by these past three decades. All he has actually said is that neo-liberalism will remain but with protectionism installed to retain jobs in the USA. |
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| C-too | Mar 29 2017, 01:11 PM Post #2097 |
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I'm sure many will feel the real heat in the not too distant future. The question for me with Trump is how did he get away with so much smart mouthing garbage before the election ? |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 30 2017, 10:38 AM Post #2098 |
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Americans like and respect that sort of thing. They really do. Trump is the living embodiment of the United States ... brash, boastful, bullying .... lying. |
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| Steve K | Mar 30 2017, 10:42 AM Post #2099 |
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Well they[1] do until they work out he's way past his use by date and there's a new gobshite in town. And look how net unpopular the gobshite POTUS has become ![]() [1] to be fair it's not a universal trait with Americans |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 30 2017, 11:16 AM Post #2100 |
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You've never worked for an American owned/controlled company, probably, as I have. [1] to be fair it's not a universal trait with Americans Edited by Curious Cdn, Mar 30 2017, 11:17 AM.
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| Steve K | Mar 30 2017, 11:34 AM Post #2101 |
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Actually I spent all but 3 years of my working life working for American owned companies so I know too well the repulsive culture you refer to. But it also meant I got to see many parts of the USA with its varied cultures many times and it would be wrong to paint all Americans with the same brush. [1] to be fair it's not a universal trait with Americans |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 30 2017, 08:14 PM Post #2102 |
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True and fair. Actually, Americans can be exceedingly gereous people. Collectively, though ... |
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| Rich | Mar 30 2017, 08:42 PM Post #2103 |
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Well, the yanks must be doing something right.....the rest of the world looks to them for guidance and protection, they might not always get it right, but one thing is for sure, if you are an ally in times of conflict, then you can count on them 100% and there is much to be said for that fact.
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| Tigger | Mar 30 2017, 08:51 PM Post #2104 |
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WW2 Britain 1939-45 WW2 USA 1941-45.
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| Steve K | Mar 31 2017, 08:17 AM Post #2105 |
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This doesn't look good for Trump His ex aide Michael When you get given immunity that means you've probably committed a crime Flynn asks for immunity before he'll testify to the investigation into alleged Russian election meddling. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39451358 |
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| Tigger | Mar 31 2017, 10:34 AM Post #2106 |
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Before Trump was elected I seem to recall reading a piece in of all places The Times Of India about Trumps financial affairs and specifically his ties to Russian money, the story basically was saying many parts of his empire were being propped up with Russian cash, this might also explain the bullshitters refusal to publish his tax returns. |
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| C-too | Apr 2 2017, 06:58 AM Post #2107 |
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I have a feeling that the cat will be out of the bag quite soon. I hope so. |
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| C-too | Apr 3 2017, 10:31 AM Post #2108 |
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Trump to act alone to counter the nuclear threat from North Korea, if the Chinese don't do it. |
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| Steve K | Apr 3 2017, 11:06 AM Post #2109 |
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scary but for once I support him. |
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| C-too | Apr 3 2017, 12:35 PM Post #2110 |
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I like the sound of it but I don't think America would chance a war with China, which I think would happen if they entered N/Korea. It is IMO a way of perhaps putting some pressure on the Chinese to take some action on NK, which they should have done some time ago. But then again China itself is beginning to flex its muscles. Perhaps targeted drone strikes is what Trump has in mind ? A difficult one that may be a step too far for Trump. If not for Trump then for the powers that be behind the scenes. |
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| Dan1989 | Apr 3 2017, 12:57 PM Post #2111 |
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North Korea is getting closer to a workable missile, I can see why there's a reason for action, because I believe the leader is crazy enough to leave his mark in history by nuking someone. |
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| Affa | Apr 3 2017, 04:04 PM Post #2112 |
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Koreans dipute some territorial waters (and islands) as Do China and Japan. It can turn into an hornets nest! |
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| Rich | Apr 3 2017, 05:43 PM Post #2113 |
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But, you see, China has a quandary too with regard to NK. Should the present leader of NK suddenly meet an untimely end, then who would replace him, it may be someone who is even more of a hard liner, if they apply sanctions to the point that the NK economy collapses they risk millions of NK's rushing over their border looking for a better life and leaving SK to move in and thus by proxy.....the Yanks and I am sure that the Chinese would not like that scenario staring at them from their own border. What exactly can Trump do other than sanction certain companies and countries that deal with NK? where are the NK nukes hidden? can the Yanks nullify all the nukes before one (if not more are)/ is set loose on the west? It would seem to me that the west, just as with Russia, are in the case of NK....impotent to act in a manner that will not endanger American lives. |
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| C-too | Apr 3 2017, 07:17 PM Post #2114 |
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You make it sound as though there is nothing that can be done, is that what you think ? If the papers are reporting the truth then threats have already been made against America. As it is I suspect that the US has the ability to take down anything NK throws at them. There is another problem, if NK is allowed to continue with its desires to be able to nuke other countries, how long before other countries decide to become a nuclear power ? Japan, Indonesia and Australia come to mind for starters ? Would China like to see that happen ? If a 'strike' is deemed necessary, is now the time to 'strike', before NK becomes an actual threat ? |
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| Dan1989 | Apr 3 2017, 07:50 PM Post #2115 |
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Rich was trying to point out the threat of China, who isn't a third rate military anymore, wouldn't be like the Korean war where they were vastly behide tech. America has a small window of opportunity before China reaches complete parity with America. Anyway America has anti-ICBM, so this threat isn't that great, even Europe is covered by them. So risking war with China might not be necessary. Edited by Dan1989, Apr 3 2017, 07:51 PM.
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| Tigger | Apr 3 2017, 07:55 PM Post #2116 |
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BBC R4 had a report from a British Chinese speaking journalist this evening and gave a summary of the situation, if NK was to fail and the dear leader was killed or died it would create massive problems for China, millions would flood across the Chinese border looking for refuge whilst a similar number would flood across the SK border, the eventual outcome would be a united Korea that was a staunch ally of the US. The least worst option for China is the current situation. |
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| Curious Cdn | Apr 4 2017, 06:52 AM Post #2117 |
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Status quo will not hold. Even if the Americans cough up the Dane Geld demanded by the PRK they will still continue on with their nuclear and ICBM projects. Comrade Kim has directly threatened to attack the United States. Yes, it is another "send money now" message but I suspect that the U.S. will not play that game anymore, as it yields no positive results for them. The Chinese are backing a madman who is trying to provoke another madman. I would expect something more pragmatic from the PRC that same old, same old. |
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| C-too | Apr 4 2017, 07:14 AM Post #2118 |
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Rich painted a very one sided picture of the situation, I attempted to widen his approach. Most of your post reinforces the points made in my post. Except for the point on nuclear proliferation. |
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| Jessamy Bride | Apr 5 2017, 10:34 PM Post #2119 |
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People can only die once....doesn't really matter if someone can blow them up 3 times. China has enough nukes. |
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| Dan1989 | Apr 5 2017, 10:40 PM Post #2120 |
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No functioning state is going to use nukes, it's bad for business, how can you have slaves if they are all dead and also would make terrible farmland if everything radioactive.
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