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Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,560 Views)
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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More to come out about the whole tragic incident yet, a lot more than the MSM is reporting. Most will already have made up their minds regardless.

Trawl through all the vids of the incident, that's if Goolag still thinks it's a good idea of course.
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More to come out about the whole tragic incident yet, a lot more than the MSM is reporting. Most will already have made up their minds regardless.

Trawl through all the vids of the incident, that's if Goolag still thinks it's a good idea of course.
Are you saying a woman wasn't murdered and many more injured in an act of terrorism?
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More to come out about the whole tragic incident yet, a lot more than the MSM is reporting. Most will already have made up their minds regardless.

Trawl through all the vids of the incident, that's if Goolag still thinks it's a good idea of course.
Are you saying a woman wasn't murdered and many more injured in an act of terrorism?
Something, something PC, something, something liberals / the left, something, something immigration, something, something Muslims, something, something zero right wing culpability.
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More to come out about the whole tragic incident yet, a lot more than the MSM is reporting. Most will already have made up their minds regardless.

Trawl through all the vids of the incident, that's if Goolag still thinks it's a good idea of course.
Are you saying a woman wasn't murdered and many more injured in an act of terrorism?
Something, something PC, something, something liberals / the left, something, something immigration, something, something Muslims, something, something zero right wing culpability.
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Meanwhile Trump's right-wing credentials seems to be paying off in terms of riots in the States. He has been criticised condemning the violence but not mentioning the fact that it was right-wing extremists that resorted to violence.
Particularly sad when you think of all the American servicemen who died fighting far right extremism.

A bit of historical clarification ... American servicemen fought against right wing extremists that attacked and declared war on their beloved country. When their vote against right wing extremism was really needed in the summer of 1940, they were conspicuously absent. As was true for the Soviet Union, the great anti-NAZI crusade was a propaganda creation after the fact. Both the US and USSR's wars were great, patriotic ones and ideologies were imposed later by historians and propagandists.
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More to come out about the whole tragic incident yet, a lot more than the MSM is reporting. Most will already have made up their minds regardless.

Trawl through all the vids of the incident, that's if Goolag still thinks it's a good idea of course.
Are you saying a woman wasn't murdered and many more injured in an act of terrorism?
Not convinced it was an act of terrorism at least not yet, if he had planned and made clear that his intention was to drive into a crowd of people then yes, but if that was the case surely they would have charged him with 1st degree murder rather than 2nd. Not that I know much about US law. Has the drivers statement on what he claims happened been released yet?

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Yep

Not sure this is what I'd like to see happen in the UK but there's something rather hilarious about those Alt Right would be thugs that Trump shields being named, shamed and sacked

http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/13/twitter-user-is-naming-and-shaming-all-the-charlottesville-neo-nazis-6849950/
Strange you didn't find it funny at all when an MPs details were shown on youtube after he had stood up in court to speak of the "good character" of since convicted child rapists.
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More to come out about the whole tragic incident yet, a lot more than the MSM is reporting. Most will already have made up their minds regardless.

Trawl through all the vids of the incident, that's if Goolag still thinks it's a good idea of course.
Are you saying a woman wasn't murdered and many more injured in an act of terrorism?
Something, something PC, something, something liberals / the left, something, something immigration, something, something Muslims, something, something zero right wing culpability.
All I'm saying is some of the vids show antifa and BLM with bats blocking and chasing down cars as people from the march attempt to leave the area, you can plainly see some of the injured attacking the rear of the car with bats ect.
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Yep

Not sure this is what I'd like to see happen in the UK but there's something rather hilarious about those Alt Right would be thugs that Trump shields being named, shamed and sacked

http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/13/twitter-user-is-naming-and-shaming-all-the-charlottesville-neo-nazis-6849950/
Strange you didn't find it funny at all when an MPs details were shown on youtube after he had stood up in court to speak of the "good character" of since convicted child rapists.
Not really and I'm sure if you reread it slowly enough you will work out why
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Yep

Not sure this is what I'd like to see happen in the UK but there's something rather hilarious about those Alt Right would be thugs that Trump shields being named, shamed and sacked

http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/13/twitter-user-is-naming-and-shaming-all-the-charlottesville-neo-nazis-6849950/
Strange you didn't find it funny at all when an MPs details were shown on youtube after he had stood up in court to speak of the "good character" of since convicted child rapists.
Not really and I'm sure if you reread it slowly enough you will work out why
Trump's approval/disapproval ratings just hit a new low

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/08/14/Gallup-Trumps-approval-rating-drops-to-new-low-of-34/6431502734878/

How sad
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Not really and I'm sure if you reread it slowly enough you will work out why
Trump's approval/disapproval ratings just hit a new low

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/08/14/Gallup-Trumps-approval-rating-drops-to-new-low-of-34/6431502734878/

How sad
It will fall even further now that public opinion is forcing him to turn on his own power base.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politics/trump-condemns-charlottesville-attackers/index.html
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Less than 15 months to go to the mid term elections and a fair few Republican senators and representatives will be looking at those ratings and wondering can they still get elected if they're associated with that toxic president. That impeach word will start to loom a little stronger soon.

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Less than 15 months to go to the mid term elections and a fair few Republican senators and representatives will be looking at those ratings and wondering can they still get elected if they're associated with that toxic president. That impeach word will start to loom a little stronger soon.

Those toothless, Tea Party Alt-Reich true believers are still four square behind Trump. We had a bit of a taste of the degree of division in the US, these days. Who knows, maybe we just witnessed to opening salvos of the Second American Civil War. Unless that Trump Nation somehow comes to their senses, that may really be true.
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And now Trump wants the IP addresses of everyone that visits sites hostile to him

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40935770

Well Donald don't expect to easily get them from here.
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Cheers C-Too




Do posters want the Korea discussion broken out as a separate thread? Views?
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Do posters want the Korea discussion broken out as a separate thread? Views?
Personally I came back from holiday expecting a thread on Korea and thread on the race riots in America.
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Do posters want the Korea discussion broken out as a separate thread? Views?
Personally I came back from holiday expecting a thread on Korea and thread on the race riots in America.
Feel free to start the debates your own goodself Papa, that is, after all, why we frequent this forum.
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Feel free to start the debates your own goodself Papa, that is, after all, why we frequent this forum.
Sorry but I get a torrent of abuse whenever I start a thread and the thread is derailed within a few comments.
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Do posters want the Korea discussion broken out as a separate thread? Views?
Korea discussion that was here has now been merged with the existing N Korea thread and title amended
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Another rat leaves the sinking ship:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40980994

Steve Bannon exits as Trump's White House senior strategist 3 minutes ago From the section US & Canada


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Another rat leaves the sinking ship:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40980994

Steve Bannon exits as Trump's White House senior strategist 3 minutes ago From the section US & Canada


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I never thought that I would be quoting Arnold Swartznegger in a serious manner but I had to share this quote from him last night. He is talking to be young American neofascists that are gaining momentum and leverage, there. ... and, I suppose ton nationalist movements everywhere.


"'I knew the original Nazis, because you see, I was born in Austria in 1947,' Schwarzenegger said in the clip.
'Growing up, I was surrounded by broken men... men who came home from a war filled with shrapnel and guilt. Men who were misled into a losing ideology. And I can tell you: that these ghosts you idolize spent the rest of their lives living in shame.'
'And right now, they're resting in hell."
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I never thought that I would be quoting Arnold Swartznegger in a serious manner but I had to share this quote from him last night. He is talking to be young American neofascists that are gaining momentum and leverage, there. ... and, I suppose ton nationalist movements everywhere.


"'I knew the original Nazis, because you see, I was born in Austria in 1947,' Schwarzenegger said in the clip.
'Growing up, I was surrounded by broken men... men who came home from a war filled with shrapnel and guilt. Men who were misled into a losing ideology. And I can tell you: that these ghosts you idolize spent the rest of their lives living in shame.'
'And right now, they're resting in hell."
And to me....the important word there is "ideology" and those that are wedded to such are doomed.......for me, the most important word in anybody's dictionary is "compromise".

Once that middle ground can be found then all will be tickety boo and bobby....but it takes two to tango. ;-)
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I never thought that I would be quoting Arnold Swartznegger in a serious manner but I had to share this quote from him last night. He is talking to be young American neofascists that are gaining momentum and leverage, there. ... and, I suppose ton nationalist movements everywhere.


"'I knew the original Nazis, because you see, I was born in Austria in 1947,' Schwarzenegger said in the clip.
'Growing up, I was surrounded by broken men... men who came home from a war filled with shrapnel and guilt. Men who were misled into a losing ideology. And I can tell you: that these ghosts you idolize spent the rest of their lives living in shame.'
'And right now, they're resting in hell."
And to me....the important word there is "ideology" and those that are wedded to such are doomed.......for me, the most important word in anybody's dictionary is "compromise".

Once that middle ground can be found then all will be tickety boo and bobby....but it takes two to tango. ;-)
The essence of democracy is that most of us can negotiate to a "middle ground" most of the time.
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I never thought that I would be quoting Arnold Swartznegger in a serious manner but I had to share this quote from him last night. He is talking to be young American neofascists that are gaining momentum and leverage, there. ... and, I suppose ton nationalist movements everywhere.


"'I knew the original Nazis, because you see, I was born in Austria in 1947,' Schwarzenegger said in the clip.
'Growing up, I was surrounded by broken men... men who came home from a war filled with shrapnel and guilt. Men who were misled into a losing ideology. And I can tell you: that these ghosts you idolize spent the rest of their lives living in shame.'
'And right now, they're resting in hell."
And to me....the important word there is "ideology" and those that are wedded to such are doomed.......for me, the most important word in anybody's dictionary is "compromise".

Once that middle ground can be found then all will be tickety boo and bobby....but it takes two to tango. ;-)
The essence of democracy is that most of us can negotiate to a "middle ground" most of the time.
Are you of the opinion that ideologists can negotiate? indeed are they interested in doing so?

In my humble opinion the answer is a definite NO.

Cue the Islamic fundaMENTALISTS. ;-)

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The essence of democracy is that most of us can negotiate to a "middle ground" most of the time.
Are you of the opinion that ideologists can negotiate? indeed are they interested in doing so?

In my humble opinion the answer is a definite NO.

Cue the Islamic fundaMENTALISTS. ;-)

Actually no, I am not.
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I never thought that I would be quoting Arnold Swartznegger in a serious manner but I had to share this quote from him last night. He is talking to be young American neofascists that are gaining momentum and leverage, there. ... and, I suppose ton nationalist movements everywhere.

"'I knew the original Nazis, because you see, I was born in Austria in 1947,' Schwarzenegger said in the clip.
'Growing up, I was surrounded by broken men... men who came home from a war filled with shrapnel and guilt. Men who were misled into a losing ideology. And I can tell you: that these ghosts you idolize spent the rest of their lives living in shame.'
'And right now, they're resting in hell."
And to me....the important word there is "ideology" and those that are wedded to such are doomed.......for me, the most important word in anybody's dictionary is "compromise".
Once that middle ground can be found then all will be tickety boo and bobby....but it takes two to tango. ;-)
"middle ground" ? Do you mean like the centre of politics ? :)
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The essence of democracy is that most of us can negotiate to a "middle ground" most of the time.
Are you of the opinion that ideologists can negotiate? indeed are they interested in doing so?

In my humble opinion the answer is a definite NO.

Cue the Islamic fundaMENTALISTS. ;-)
Oh yes they can, Corbyn says so ;D
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Donald Trump's arts and humanities committee mass resignation. (With hidden message?) Far more at link.

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/resist-the-hidden-message-in-us-arts-councils-stinging-letter-to-donald-trump-20170818-gxzsra.html


August 19 2017 - 6:35AM

Resist: the hidden message in US arts council's stinging letter to Donald Trump
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Donald Trump's arts and humanities committee mass resignation. (With hidden message?) Far more at link.

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/resist-the-hidden-message-in-us-arts-councils-stinging-letter-to-donald-trump-20170818-gxzsra.html


August 19 2017 - 6:35AM

Resist: the hidden message in US arts council's stinging letter to Donald Trump
Oh that's very clever :)
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I never thought that I would be quoting Arnold Swartznegger in a serious manner but I had to share this quote from him last night. He is talking to be young American neofascists that are gaining momentum and leverage, there. ... and, I suppose ton nationalist movements everywhere.

"'I knew the original Nazis, because you see, I was born in Austria in 1947,' Schwarzenegger said in the clip.
'Growing up, I was surrounded by broken men... men who came home from a war filled with shrapnel and guilt. Men who were misled into a losing ideology. And I can tell you: that these ghosts you idolize spent the rest of their lives living in shame.'
'And right now, they're resting in hell."
And to me....the important word there is "ideology" and those that are wedded to such are doomed.......for me, the most important word in anybody's dictionary is "compromise".
Once that middle ground can be found then all will be tickety boo and bobby....but it takes two to tango. ;-)
"middle ground" ? Do you mean like the centre of politics ? :)
Yes I do and I am sure that other than the EU farce, that is where I have always stood and will continue to stand regardless of which sensible party stands in alignment with my pragmatic thoughts.
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"'I knew the original Nazis, because you see, I was born in Austria in 1947,' Schwarzenegger said in the clip.
'Growing up, I was surrounded by broken men... men who came home from a war filled with shrapnel and guilt. Men who were misled into a losing ideology. And I can tell you: that these ghosts you idolize spent the rest of their lives living in shame.'
'And right now, they're resting in hell."
"middle ground" ? Do you mean like the centre of politics ? :)
Yes I do and I am sure that other than the EU farce, that is where I have always stood and will continue to stand regardless of which sensible party stands in alignment with my pragmatic thoughts.
Does that mean that if you were an American you would not have voted for Trump ?
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"'I knew the original Nazis, because you see, I was born in Austria in 1947,' Schwarzenegger said in the clip.
'Growing up, I was surrounded by broken men... men who came home from a war filled with shrapnel and guilt. Men who were misled into a losing ideology. And I can tell you: that these ghosts you idolize spent the rest of their lives living in shame.'
'And right now, they're resting in hell."
Yes I do and I am sure that other than the EU farce, that is where I have always stood and will continue to stand regardless of which sensible party stands in alignment with my pragmatic thoughts.
Does that mean that if you were an American you would not have voted for Trump ?
Personally I think that Trump may be a little bit mentally flawed.

But that is neither here nor there,

The fact is he was voted in upon the manifesto he stood for and the good folks of the USA made their choice.....Trump became the President.

What I cannot understand is the furore that comes from him wanting to carry out what he promised he would do.

Shrugs:
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"'I knew the original Nazis, because you see, I was born in Austria in 1947,' Schwarzenegger said in the clip.
'Growing up, I was surrounded by broken men... men who came home from a war filled with shrapnel and guilt. Men who were misled into a losing ideology. And I can tell you: that these ghosts you idolize spent the rest of their lives living in shame.'
'And right now, they're resting in hell."
Does that mean that if you were an American you would not have voted for Trump ?
Personally I think that Trump may be a little bit mentally flawed.

But that is neither here nor there,

The fact is he was voted in upon the manifesto he stood for and the good folks of the USA made their choice.....Trump became the President.

What I cannot understand is the furore that comes from him wanting to carry out what he promised he would do.

Shrugs:
I would suggest that he is not the president people thought they were voting for. "I want to make America great again". Reminds me of another piece of right wing bullshit, "I want my country back"
Unfortunately for the American electorate, "great again" means different things to different people.

IMO Trump is a good example of how extremists (Left and Right) can use the social media to bullshit their way into office. Or as in Corbyn's case, can bullshit their way to a much improved election result.
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Does that mean that if you were an American you would not have voted for Trump ?
Personally I think that Trump may be a little bit mentally flawed.

But that is neither here nor there,

The fact is he was voted in upon the manifesto he stood for and the good folks of the USA made their choice.....Trump became the President.

What I cannot understand is the furore that comes from him wanting to carry out what he promised he would do.

Shrugs:
He promised to uphold the US Constitution. He's broken it on separating business from state, erasing presidential records and likely others. Impeachment beckons, just a question of getting the timing right.
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That Russian problem again.

---"Robert Mueller 'going for the kill' on Trump-Russia probe, claim Republicans"--- (20hrs ago).

And an interesting reference to a comment by Trump;
"The US President has previously warned Mr Mueller not to look into his family's finances beyond the scope of his investigation, saying it would be crossing a red line." --- So that would be very different to the research 'no areas barred' look into the background of Pres. Clinton by the republicans.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/robert-mueller-trump-russia-republicans-investigation-probe-gop-white-house-a7944896.html
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Putin hires hit man:-

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From Rhys Blakely Washington, as appeared on page 42 in The Times today.

"The federal investigation into Russian meddling in the US election has demanded documents from the White House for the first time, apparently homing in on Presidents Trump's dismissal of the FBI chief."
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Trump making more friends:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41376317

Words fail me.
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Whats up with the players? What are they protesting about?
OK had a read and watched this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTUC_KEsrSA

Looks like a lot of Americans are with Trump on this.
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