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| Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,558 Views) | |
| C-too | Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM Post #1 |
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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| Deleted User | Oct 31 2017, 11:27 AM Post #2321 |
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| Curious Cdn | Oct 31 2017, 10:44 PM Post #2322 |
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Whatever happens, it's going to leave a seriously divided America. This is all very destructive. Only the Russians are happy. I don't know what you consider to be a happy outcome but all the avenues opening up lead to a bad one. |
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| Rich | Oct 31 2017, 11:04 PM Post #2323 |
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I understand from Skynews that yet another terrorist atrocity has taken place in New York and the reported death toll is 8, this sort of thing can only strengthen Trumps hand regarding his immigration policy. |
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| Tigger | Oct 31 2017, 11:29 PM Post #2324 |
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Hopefully it'll strengthen his hand a bit more than than the limp wristed effort on show when a home grown terrorist shot dead 58. Damn, I forgot it's far, far worse to be killed by a muzzie than one of your own.
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| Tigger | Oct 31 2017, 11:37 PM Post #2325 |
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Trump wasn't very complimentary or loyal to the bloke with a Greek name who has been charged with something financially obscure, hopefully the next one will be a bit closer to home than this one is. |
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| Curious Cdn | Oct 31 2017, 11:38 PM Post #2326 |
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If that attack had been in London and not New York, Trump would be tweeting right now about the "obvious" weaknesses on London's mayor. He is, as they say in New York Yiddish, a schmuck. |
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| Curious Cdn | Oct 31 2017, 11:40 PM Post #2327 |
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The theory is that Papadopolous has been wearing an FBI wire during the last three weeks, since he plea-bargained a "guilty" with the bureau. They must have their data or they would have kept him under wraps for a bit longer. |
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| Tigger | Oct 31 2017, 11:43 PM Post #2328 |
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The London mayor Sadiq Khan* should be on Twitter now slagging off the wrong people and blaming Eyeran or something. *(Clever Pakistani bloke with a non RP accent hated by right wing biddies) |
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| Tigger | Oct 31 2017, 11:44 PM Post #2329 |
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I do hope you are right! Cheer me up no end that would. |
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| Curious Cdn | Oct 31 2017, 11:54 PM Post #2330 |
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It makes sense, no? |
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| Deleted User | Nov 1 2017, 06:39 AM Post #2331 |
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| Deleted User | Nov 1 2017, 06:53 AM Post #2332 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMJOYTnIHK0 Antifa are reported to have been meeting with ISIS to learn how to terrorise better, so expect explosions like the Swedish situation the MSM is ignoring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GL2z_ykEtg Poor kid his family lives in the UK and are being bothered by our police because he reports on what happens in Sweden. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 1 2017, 11:23 AM Post #2333 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVckRJvuBQY Released a few hours before New York attack in which eight people died. Dems are mental and trying to start a race war. |
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| Curious Cdn | Nov 1 2017, 12:36 PM Post #2334 |
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My happy outcome would be the Dems give up their witch hunt You mean like the Republican "birther" witch hunt (started by a Klansman named Trump) or the "Benghazi" witch hunt that consumed FOX news air time 24 hours as a day for two or three years running? That kind of witch hunt? Edited by Curious Cdn, Nov 1 2017, 12:36 PM.
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| Deleted User | Nov 1 2017, 12:50 PM Post #2335 |
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I don't really know enough about either of those witch hunts to comment, maybe you could start another thread and give us your take on those issues with relevant links ect that would be good. Briefly though are you saying Trump is kkk? |
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| C-too | Nov 1 2017, 01:51 PM Post #2336 |
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IMO as far as Trump is concerned, there is only one place for this arrogant deceptive piece of right-wing garbage, and that is a garbage dump. And my money is on him finishing up there. |
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| Alberich | Nov 1 2017, 01:52 PM Post #2337 |
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This is reminiscent of the early days of Watergate. Henchmen and sundry employees of the President's office arrested. Those arrested dealing with prosecutors to save their own necks. A president in total denial. All Trump needs now is a little dog to stroke while he pleads ignorance of the whole thing. A comparison with Nixon's downfall is hard to avoid. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 1 2017, 05:08 PM Post #2338 |
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Get a grip chaps, short of someone offing him he is there for another seven years yet. May as well accept it. |
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| Steve K | Nov 1 2017, 08:53 PM Post #2339 |
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They said same about Nixon. Trump is thanking his lucky stars that nut went amok in NY |
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| C-too | Nov 1 2017, 09:56 PM Post #2340 |
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I've accepted worse, I accepted ten years of Thatcher in office, along with 18 years of callous Conservatism
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| Curious Cdn | Nov 2 2017, 12:25 AM Post #2341 |
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There is some anecdotal evidence to that effect. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-a-white-supremacist-told-me-after-donald-trump-was-elected https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trump-and-the-ku-klux-klan-a-history http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-post-pushes-unsubstantiated-story-that-trumps-father-attended-kkk-march/article/2631608 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ex-kkk-leader-david-dukes-10985823 http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/28/468455028/trump-wont-condemn-kkk-says-he-knows-nothing-about-white-supremacists http://nationalpost.com/news/world/ku-klux-klan-plans-victory-parade-to-celebrate-election-of-donald-trump-who-united-my-people Edited by Curious Cdn, Nov 2 2017, 12:26 AM.
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| Deleted User | Nov 2 2017, 06:43 AM Post #2342 |
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Thanks for the links Curious ( I read them all) they gave me a chuckle over my morning tea, you can't say Donald is kkk just because some of them white supremacist types like him. I spent a moment or two imagining him dressed up in the pointy hat with burning torch ect and I can picture him like that but it still does not make it true:) I can give you several links to prove that he is a time traveler but I don't really believe that either. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 2 2017, 07:36 AM Post #2343 |
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We all fully aware now that the Trump Russia dossier that came from Christopher Steele was bought and paid for by the Clinton campaign. They tried to put it to the media before Trump was elected but even the MSM would not touch it at that point. After the election they teamed up with the FBI who used the false document to launch an investigation. |
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| Deleted User | Nov 2 2017, 05:49 PM Post #2344 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9NgxASQtwk Judicial Watch Questions Direction of Mueller's Investigation |
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| Deleted User | Nov 20 2017, 07:02 PM Post #2345 |
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/11/20/us-targets-taliban-drug-labs-under-new-afghan-strategy.html The top U.S. general in Afghanistan says American aircraft have targeted drug producing facilities for the first time under a new strategy aimed at cutting off Taliban funding. Gen. John Nicholson said Monday that the raids involving an F-22 bomber were carried out the day before in the southern Helmand province. He says the insurgents generate an estimated $200 million a year from poppy cultivation and opium production. He says he has been ordered to target drug facilities under a new strategy announced by President Donald Trump in August .............. What do you think gents? Has to be a good thing imo. |
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| Rich | Nov 20 2017, 07:30 PM Post #2346 |
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It's a difficult one to solve in my opinion, if you let a certain amount carry on then you at least know where it is and can halt it's progress further up the line and then negate any profits going to the producers. If you eliminate it all together it will only strengthen the hand of South American drug producers and it would seem (as far as I am aware) that they have mobile and underground drug producing factories. These people are willing to risk life and limb because of the vast sums of money that can be made. I am much more in favour of letting them make the product, tracking the progress of it and then seizing it and destroying it in public for all to see. That would be so frustrating for the producers and I suspect the corrupt politicians that allow it's production by accepting bribes. |
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| Steve K | Nov 20 2017, 09:01 PM Post #2347 |
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Cautiously approving. The US has less than a postless record of correctly identifying targets More details of the multinational raids here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/11/20/the-u-s-begins-bombing-taliban-drug-labs-as-trumps-afghanistan-strategy-takes-hold/?utm_term=.ca8181466289 But you will only end this trade when you end the market pull. |
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| Rich | Dec 1 2017, 03:11 PM Post #2348 |
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I know not if this is the correct place to air my thoughts but, anyway, here we go, Now Trump campaigned on a very clear platform, he won and is trying to deliver those campaign promises. I would be the first to agree that I would certainly not appoint him as the head of diplomatic relations to any country in the world. However, I am now listening to last nights "Question Time" and according to Chukka Umuna, "Trump was elected on a campaign of hatred" If that is the case and yet he still won, what does that say about the American electorate, who, it must be remembered are our staunchest ally in times of hardship and conflict and also are agreeable to swapping intel regarding iffy going's on around the globe. As regards to cancelling his planned visit here, forget the man and concentrate on that we are inviting the highest "office" in the USA to this country I expect flak, but then again that is why I inhabit this forum. What does the panel think?
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| Happy Hornet | Dec 1 2017, 04:04 PM Post #2349 |
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By lending credibility to a UK based far right, extremist group Trump has stirred up division and hostility in our country and strengthened the hand of Britain First and other far right groups which could potentially lead to further violence on our streets. That to me is crossing the line. How do you think Trump would react if it was the other way round and May had given an on-line thumbs up to a US based extremist group like say the Nation of Islam? I'd bet my life he wouldn't be rolling out the red carpet for her in such a scenario. He can p1ss off as far as I'm concerned, we've got enough problems here without him sticking his oar in and stirring up more trouble. |
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| Rich | Dec 1 2017, 04:09 PM Post #2350 |
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Have you forgotten that Obama virtually tried to blackmail the UK voting electorate into voting to remain in our EU referendum? we did not take any notice of that either.
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| Steve K | Dec 1 2017, 04:20 PM Post #2351 |
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Not at all, Obama gave you the facts. USA policy for many years has been to not agree bilaterals with single countries. And if you think that's changed one iota then think again. The Hill has to approve any retreaties that the president may or may not wish for. As for your other comments, Trump did not campaign on a clear platform, his campaign was riddled with contradictions. And the majority of the USA electorate rejected him, he won as a result of decades of Republican gerrymandering and selective voter enabling. Trump is likely pooing himself now as Flynn has plea bargained and seems he will co-operate with investigators http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42192080 |
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| C-too | Dec 1 2017, 04:36 PM Post #2352 |
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Trumps image falling further apart ? "Trump-Russia: Michael Flynn admits lying to FBI". "That's bad news for Mr Flynn, but it could be even worse news for Donald Trump, who reportedly directly lobbied former FBI Director James Comey to back off the Flynn investigation before firing the top law man". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42192080 |
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| Rich | Dec 1 2017, 05:18 PM Post #2353 |
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If you would please address my main point which was ..... Trump campaigned on a campaign of hatred. My question to the forum was, what does that say about the American voting electorate? Assuming of course that you go along with Chukka Umuna's claim. |
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| Steve K | Dec 1 2017, 05:48 PM Post #2354 |
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But I answered that Rich. (a) the majority of the USA electorate rejected his hate and (b) his campaign was full of self contradictions so you, I and many others heard the hate but others heard different stuff Here's an interesting read: 141 different stances Trump took on 23 issues The man is a serial liar who got elected through aggressive use of the internet and social media. Remind you of a certain other campaign? |
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| Rich | Dec 1 2017, 06:14 PM Post #2355 |
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I'll not bother with the link as any sane reasonable person has no doubt about the character of Trump....he is mentally flawed, but now you have just done what you accused me of recently....that of drifting off topic. It does not bother me, but you may care to consider such in the future. As for the American voting electorate, it would seem that they are happy with him, employment is on the rise and he is realising is campaign promise of putting America first. Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of Trump and am not defending him, but at the end of the day, he is trying to deliver what he was elected to do....excepting stupid and divisive tweets of course. I'll do better than that as I said elsewhere on here. Inciting racial hatred. |
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| Happy Hornet | Dec 1 2017, 06:48 PM Post #2356 |
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After 100 days in office Trump has a lower approval rating than any of his modern predecessors and has broken numerous campaign promises: https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trumps-100-days-of-broken-promises-a4c116bbb2b4/ |
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| Rich | Dec 1 2017, 07:01 PM Post #2357 |
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But he is acting decisively if somewhat stupidly, he has a while to go yet and barring impeachment will see out his term in office. What would you do in his shoes regarding North Korea? |
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| Curious Cdn | Dec 1 2017, 07:13 PM Post #2358 |
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Flynn please guilty to lying to the FBI. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42192080 That puts him in the same situation as that of H. R. Haldeman |
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| Happy Hornet | Dec 1 2017, 07:48 PM Post #2359 |
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Rich, what he chooses to do with his own country is ultimately none of my business. But him stirring up trouble in my country is very much my business. He not only emboldened the far right in the UK with his ham fisted f@ckwittery, he also handed some solid gold propaganda to Islamic extremists in this country too. Those sick hateful b@rstards must have been high fiving each other when they heard about this. Now if both sets of extremists see our government rolling out the red carpet for him how do you think that is going to play out? Sorry, but I think the peace and safety of my country and it's people should take priority over the US President's ego. |
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| Rich | Dec 1 2017, 08:16 PM Post #2360 |
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I'll not disagree with that. But it must be understood that we are dealing with an "office" and not a nutter,....we have extended an invitation and must honour that, as I have said earlier, the precedent has already been set as we have invited far worse people than Trump for a state visit. |
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