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Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,611 Views)
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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Jan 14 2017, 08:56 PM
Show me a post were I have said,implied that PUTIN is our friend ?

I agree with you not denying it
You seem keen on the love in, why? Are you actually dim enough to even consider Russia is a potential ally or better friend than either Europe or the US and might help us achieve your right wing Nirvana?

I put it down to shell shock and being constantly shouted at.
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Jan 14 2017, 08:56 PM
Show me a post were I have said,implied that PUTIN is our friend ?

I agree with you not denying it
You seem keen on the love in, why? Are you actually dim enough to even consider Russia is a potential ally or better friend than either Europe or the US and might help us achieve your right wing Nirvana?

I put it down to shell shock and being constantly shouted at.
Will treat that with the contempt it deserves. You seem to forget,you don't get to me like you think you do !jk! .I am more than a match for you.

Back to the point,now trump has been elected.This sums up his election LOL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOW-shJrPKA
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Jan 14 2017, 08:55 PM


Since when did the West pick their friends from governments that insisted on personal freedom.?
When did they actually care?
This is not about money it's about spheres of influence, you'd not like living under a post Soviet regime any more than I would.

If Putin puts his foot in the door you'd be wise to break that foot.
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Jan 14 2017, 09:12 PM
Will treat that with the contempt it deserves. You seem to forget,you don't get to me like you think you do !jk! .I am more than a match for you.

Back peddling never looks dignified does it?
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The US doesn't need to be an ally of Russia. What it needs is an accord and a general agreement of where its spheres of influence lie . Russia needs to know that the West is not going to push its sphere of influence further into the Russian sphere of influence. When we stop pretending to support freedom and democracy by supporting anti Russian factions on or near the Russian borders then they will have no reason to humiliate the West any more and some sort of cordial relationship could emerge.
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Jan 14 2017, 09:18 PM
The US doesn't need to be an ally of Russia. What it needs is an accord and a general agreement of where its spheres of influence lie . Russia needs to know that the West is not going to push its sphere of influence further into the Russian sphere of influence. When we stop pretending to support freedom and democracy by supporting anti Russian factions on or near the Russian borders then they will have no reason to humiliate the West any more and some sort of cordial relationship could emerge.
All very true of course.

Now where's my 1938 yearbook with all that stuff about back yards?
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Jan 14 2017, 09:22 PM
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The US doesn't need to be an ally of Russia. What it needs is an accord and a general agreement of where its spheres of influence lie . Russia needs to know that the West is not going to push its sphere of influence further into the Russian sphere of influence. When we stop pretending to support freedom and democracy by supporting anti Russian factions on or near the Russian borders then they will have no reason to humiliate the West any more and some sort of cordial relationship could emerge.
All very true of course.

Now where's my 1938 yearbook with all that stuff about back yards?


Probably in the shed with the H&E back numbers.
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Jan 14 2017, 09:26 PM


Probably in the shed with the H&E back numbers.
Lets hope the earlier publication has less stain damage, Putin is an opportunist who will take the proverbial mile if you give him an inch, Dopey Donald currently seems unaware of this despite wiser council.
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Probably in the shed with the H&E back numbers.
Lets hope the earlier publication has less stain damage, Putin is an opportunist who will take the proverbial mile if you give him an inch, Dopey Donald currently seems unaware of this despite wiser council.


Maybe Trump won't give him an inch.
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Jan 14 2017, 09:40 PM


Maybe Trump won't give him an inch.
Hope so, but Putin might feel sorry for the laundry workers at a Moscow hotel.
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Probably in the shed with the H&E back numbers.
Lets hope the earlier publication has less stain damage, Putin is an opportunist who will take the proverbial mile if you give him an inch, Dopey Donald currently seems unaware of this despite wiser council.


Maybe Trump won't give him an inch.
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Will treat that with the contempt it deserves. You seem to forget,you don't get to me like you think you do !jk! .I am more than a match for you.

Back peddling never looks dignified does it?
As for back peddling !jk! :facepalm: As I have said before,elusions of grandeur :facepalm: Have you complimented yourself today ? !jk!
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"Dating Russians in your way"  :o

Well the pop up advertising on the forum is becoming intrusive or St Petersberg's finest is already on the case! Keep an eye out for Fenixoneski!

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Maybe Trump won't give him an inch.
Hope so, but Putin might feel sorry for the laundry workers at a Moscow hotel.


I understand Hilary did a version of 'two girls one cup ' with Monica Lewinsky....was it just fake news?
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Will treat that with the contempt it deserves. You seem to forget,you don't get to me like you think you do !jk! .I am more than a match for you.

Back peddling never looks dignified does it?
As for back peddling !jk! :facepalm: As I have said before,elusions of grandeur :facepalm: Have you complimented yourself today ? !jk!
You just don't like trump cos you can see your business going to pot slowly but surely.You made your living of a falsehood for a long time,now the roof is gonna fall in,pity !jk!


GLOBAL WARMING, I'VE SHIT IT

Were'nt the predictions this time last year we would have polar bears in the south east !jk! !jk!
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Is this the right time to point out that the US has interfered in the democratic process in many other countries. Especially Central and South America,SouthEast Asia,Middle East and not forgetting Indonesia. Not only that but they trained and armed militias who were as vicious and murderous as anything that ISIS and Al Qaeda has cooked up?
Well maybe they are getting an incredible low dose of their own medicine .
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Jan 14 2017, 07:32 PM
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Jan 11 2017, 10:28 PM

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It matters if he loses the Hill and a lot of commentators say he will. We're in Trump v Ryan proxy war time already

Wanna bet Ryan loses ?
Dunno

seems there's already mutterings in the Republicans about impeaching Trump for his refusal to put his businesses into blind trusts.
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Jan 14 2017, 09:52 PM
Were'nt the predictions this time last year we would have polar bears in the south east !jk! !jk!
Only in the Daily Express and on the Vote Leave web site ;-)
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Wanna bet Ryan loses ?
Dunno

seems there's already mutterings in the Republicans about impeaching Trump for his refusal to put his businesses into blind trusts.


Booting out Trump after a long and painful process then putting in Pence because Trump was beyond the pale ..before the Republican administration gets going ....probably will not happen.
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Jan 14 2017, 09:59 PM
Is this the right time to point out that the US has interfered in the democratic process in many other countries. Especially Central and South America,SouthEast Asia,Middle East and not forgetting Indonesia. Not only that but they trained and armed militias who were as vicious and murderous as anything that ISIS and Al Qaeda has cooked up?
Well maybe they are getting an incredible low dose of their own medicine .
Ah the old two wrongs don't make a right gambit, that said I can't see any of these Asian or South American countries coming to our aid should T72's start rolling across central Europe. Real Politik and a nasty World tends to be the prime concern for those who enjoy comparative freedoms.
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Dunno

seems there's already mutterings in the Republicans about impeaching Trump for his refusal to put his businesses into blind trusts.


Booting out Trump after a long and painful process then putting in Pence because Trump was beyond the pale ..before the Republican administration gets going ....probably will not happen.
The Republicans would prefer old school right winger Pence and they really do not want a mid term disaster.

The key as ever will be Trump's poll ratings. Bill Clinton survived a slam dunk impeachment because the public liked him, Nixon was forced out on very unproven charges because the public hated him
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Is this the right time to point out that the US has interfered in the democratic process in many other countries. Especially Central and South America,SouthEast Asia,Middle East and not forgetting Indonesia. Not only that but they trained and armed militias who were as vicious and murderous as anything that ISIS and Al Qaeda has cooked up?
Well maybe they are getting an incredible low dose of their own medicine .
Ah the old two wrongs don't make a right gambit, that said I can't see any of these Asian or South American countries coming to our aid should T72's start rolling across central Europe. Real Politik and a nasty World tends to be the prime concern for those who enjoy comparative freedoms.


Pointing out that the biter has been bit is not an old two wrongs make a right gambit (whatever that means).
Considering how the West has ignored or even colluded with the US in its neo colonialist adventurism I couldn't see them pissing on us if we are on fire. That's real Politik for you.
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Dunno

seems there's already mutterings in the Republicans about impeaching Trump for his refusal to put his businesses into blind trusts.


Booting out Trump after a long and painful process then putting in Pence because Trump was beyond the pale ..before the Republican administration gets going ....probably will not happen.
Trump is a lunatic but Pence is a true believer who is 100% behind the quazi_fascist agenda. It might actually be a worse sypituation.

The United States as an unstable entity like almost never before in her history.
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Booting out Trump after a long and painful process then putting in Pence because Trump was beyond the pale ..before the Republican administration gets going ....probably will not happen.
The Republicans would prefer old school right winger Pence and they really do not want a mid term disaster.

The key as ever will be Trump's poll ratings. Bill Clinton survived a slam dunk impeachment because the public liked him, Nixon was forced out on very unproven charges because the public hated him

I imagine that poll ratings will be more relevant a year or two down the line. That's why I doubt that Trump will be booted out ' before the Republican administration gets going'. Trump is on thin ice but not that thin.
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Booting out Trump after a long and painful process then putting in Pence because Trump was beyond the pale ..before the Republican administration gets going ....probably will not happen.
Trump is a lunatic but Pence is a true believer who is 100% behind the quazi_fascist agenda. It might actually be a worse sypituation.

The United States as an unstable entity like almost never before in her history.


More of a lunatic than that all American hero Ronald Reagan ?
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Is this the right time to point out that the US has interfered in the democratic process in many other countries. Especially Central and South America,SouthEast Asia,Middle East and not forgetting Indonesia. Not only that but they trained and armed militias who were as vicious and murderous as anything that ISIS and Al Qaeda has cooked up?
Well maybe they are getting an incredible low dose of their own medicine .
Ah the old two wrongs don't make a right gambit, that said I can't see any of these Asian or South American countries coming to our aid should T72's start rolling across central Europe. Real Politik and a nasty World tends to be the prime concern for those who enjoy comparative freedoms.
Stop peddling Russia is going to invade,it is NOT. Countries do not commit suicide intentionally. Nothing is going to happen at all,the sooner you come to your senses over Putin and Russia the better.All Russia wants is a buffer zone from the west,just like the Americans with the Bay of Pigs. If you want to stop WW3 maybe you should look to your own side first,EU expansion to name just one
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Stop peddling Russia is going to invade,it is NOT. Countries do not commit suicide intentionally. Nothing is going to happen at all,the sooner you come to your senses over Putin and Russia the better.All Russia wants is a buffer zone from the west,just like the Americans with the Bay of Pigs. If you want to stop WW3 maybe you should look to your own side first,EU expansion to name just one
Perhaps you should knock the fake news sites on the head for a while and go back to the MSM for a much needed freshen up?

Of course many of these so called "buffer states" want fuck all to do with a corrupt and authoritarian Russia, are you suggesting that these nations or peoples should be sacrificed just to keep Putin happy? If Russia had an open society and wasn't run like version of the Mafia it would not feel the need for buffer states, the fact it feels this way is an indication of it's deep seated insecurity and it's constant need to seemingly prove itself, it will not end well for Russia and probably everyone else.

One day you might actually wake up and take all this on board
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Is this the right time to point out that the US has interfered in the democratic process in many other countries. Especially Central and South America,SouthEast Asia,Middle East and not forgetting Indonesia. Not only that but they trained and armed militias who were as vicious and murderous as anything that ISIS and Al Qaeda has cooked up?
Well maybe they are getting an incredible low dose of their own medicine .
Ah the old two wrongs don't make a right gambit, that said I can't see any of these Asian or South American countries coming to our aid should T72's start rolling across central Europe. Real Politik and a nasty World tends to be the prime concern for those who enjoy comparative freedoms.
Stop peddling Russia is going to invade,it is NOT. Countries do not commit suicide intentionally. Nothing is going to happen at all,the sooner you come to your senses over Putin and Russia the better.All Russia wants is a buffer zone from the west,just like the Americans with the Bay of Pigs. If you want to stop WW3 maybe you should look to your own side first,EU expansion to name just one
But they did invade Ukraine, why are you so sure they'd never invade Poland etc?

And it was Putin himself who in October said the menacing "stop criticising Russia or there will be problems" having threatened nuclear war not that many months earlier

If Putin ever feels he's in a corner with nothing to lose and a West that wouldn't resist then yes he might very well go on a colonising expedition. Hence we have to make sure he knows very clearly that yes we would resist. Unfortunately Trump doesn't understand that but thankfully his Defense nominee does.

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Is this the right time to point out that the US has interfered in the democratic process in many other countries. Especially Central and South America,SouthEast Asia,Middle East and not forgetting Indonesia. Not only that but they trained and armed militias who were as vicious and murderous as anything that ISIS and Al Qaeda has cooked up?
Well maybe they are getting an incredible low dose of their own medicine .
Ah the old two wrongs don't make a right gambit, that said I can't see any of these Asian or South American countries coming to our aid should T72's start rolling across central Europe. Real Politik and a nasty World tends to be the prime concern for those who enjoy comparative freedoms.
Stop peddling Russia is going to invade,it is NOT. Countries do not commit suicide intentionally. Nothing is going to happen at all,the sooner you come to your senses over Putin and Russia the better.All Russia wants is a buffer zone from the west,just like the Americans with the Bay of Pigs. If you want to stop WW3 maybe you should look to your own side first,EU expansion to name just one


I don't see a circumstance where Russia would expand Westward either. The only scenario I can see was if it were provoked in the same way as in Ukraine.
In Syria Russia completely out foxed the West ( or the US more like) . It put the hesitant Obama into a position where he would risk a showdown with Russia and he knew he didn't have the stomach for it. Laughably, Obama blamed Cameron for it.....
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Stop peddling Russia is going to invade,it is NOT. Countries do not commit suicide intentionally. Nothing is going to happen at all,the sooner you come to your senses over Putin and Russia the better.All Russia wants is a buffer zone from the west,just like the Americans with the Bay of Pigs. If you want to stop WW3 maybe you should look to your own side first,EU expansion to name just one
But they did invade Ukraine, why are you so sure they'd never invade Poland etc?

And it was Putin himself who in October said the menacing "stop criticising Russia or there will be problems" having threatened nuclear war not that many months earlier

If Putin ever feels he's in a corner with nothing to lose and a West that wouldn't resist then yes he might very well go on a colonising expedition. Hence we have to make sure he knows very clearly that yes we would resist. Unfortunately Trump doesn't understand that but thankfully his Defense nominee does.

And of course the hostile overtures towards Finland, it would seem Putin can't get over the bloody nose the Finns inflicted on his nation 78 years ago. It won't be long before some territorial dispute rears it's head.
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Trump is a lunatic but Pence is a true believer who is 100% behind the quazi_fascist agenda. It might actually be a worse sypituation.

The United States as an unstable entity like almost never before in her history.


More of a lunatic than that all American hero Ronald Reagan ?
Reagan was a senie old codger without a thought in his head. He read scripts written by the GOP brain trust. It was all way, way beyond him.
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But they did invade Ukraine, why are you so sure they'd never invade Poland etc?

And it was Putin himself who in October said the menacing "stop criticising Russia or there will be problems" having threatened nuclear war not that many months earlier

If Putin ever feels he's in a corner with nothing to lose and a West that wouldn't resist then yes he might very well go on a colonising expedition. Hence we have to make sure he knows very clearly that yes we would resist. Unfortunately Trump doesn't understand that but thankfully his Defense nominee does.

And of course the hostile overtures towards Finland, it would seem Putin can't get over the bloody nose the Finns inflicted on his nation 78 years ago. It won't be long before some territorial dispute rears it's head.


Putin cottoned on to the fact that the West is terrified of him. He is making good use of it.
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More of a lunatic than that all American hero Ronald Reagan ?
Reagan was a senie old codger without a thought in his head. He read scripts written by the GOP brain trust. It was all way, way beyond him.


And he is by all intents and purposes a success story. The USSR was as afraid of that old codger as we are afraid of Putin.
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Put in cottoned on to the fact that the West is terrified of him. He is making good use of it.
The West likes stability, Russia only functions when it's got everyone else on edge, it does this to make up for it's lack of genuine economic clout, an area it constantly fails in. It is the Worlds largest nation with almost unlimited resources and yet it has an economy the size of Italy's, looks like bad management to me........
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Reagan was a senie old codger without a thought in his head. He read scripts written by the GOP brain trust. It was all way, way beyond him.


And he is by all intents and purposes a success story. The USSR was as afraid of that old codger as we are afraid of Putin.
I don't think that the Russians were afraid of Reagan, spacifically but of his handlers.
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And it's equally fair that each time he comes out with yet another cheap lie in some tantrum then it's pointed out what it is and what he is in making it. As he did last night.

You seriously mean politicians lie?

Who knew? Shrugs:

Shocked to the core.  :o


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Put in cottoned on to the fact that the West is terrified of him. He is making good use of it.
The West likes stability, Russia only functions when it's got everyone else on edge, it does this to make up for it's lack of genuine economic clout, an area it constantly fails in. It is the Worlds largest nation with almost unlimited resources and yet it has an economy the size of Italy's, looks like bad management to me........


The West likes Western stability and instability where it suits the West .
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And he is by all intents and purposes a success story. The USSR was as afraid of that old codger as we are afraid of Putin.
I don't think that the Russians were afraid of Reagan, spacifically but of his handlers.


Let's say they were afraid of the Reagan narrative.
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And it's equally fair that each time he comes out with yet another cheap lie in some tantrum then it's pointed out what it is and what he is in making it. As he did last night.

You seriously mean politicians lie?

Who knew? Shrugs:

Shocked to the core.  :o


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Most don't. But cheap people say they always do despite being shown up time after time as not knowing what they are talking about and just peddling bitter and twisted lies themselves.

But Trump lies all the time. If you can't see the difference between his behaviour and main stream politicians then that's your loss.
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And it's equally fair that each time he comes out with yet another cheap lie in some tantrum then it's pointed out what it is and what he is in making it. As he did last night.

You seriously mean politicians lie?

Who knew? Shrugs:

Shocked to the core.  :o


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Most don't. But cheap people say they always do despite being shown up time after time as not knowing what they are talking about and just peddling bitter and twisted lies themselves.

But Trump lies all the time. If you can't see the difference between his behaviour and main stream politicians then that's your loss.

Well if knowing that politicians have make promises that they can't fulfill makes me cheap then send me down to the pound shop.. How about Ms May? Do you think that she believes that the problems in the NHS is down to poor practices or that she is pulling our legs?
That nice MrWilson when he said that the pound in our pockets would not be devalued when the pound was devalued in 1967 was he lying ?or was Clinton not lying when he said he didn't have sex with Monica.
Lying is currency in the political world ....
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