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Talking of Trump...there was a report out that Rupert Murdoch called Trump a f...... idiot. But there was a rather interesting snippet that surfaced and everyone seems to have ignored it, yet it is IMO more important than a billionaire calling another billionaire names. This is it The book records Murdoch’s reply: “Donald, for eight years these guys had Obama in their pocket. They practically ran the administration. They don’t need your help.” The Murdoch called Trump an idiot because he misread the situation. This is the thing, lefties are so busy hating Trump that they didn’t see the bit where Murdoch reveals their hero to be in the pockets of rich people... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/rupert-murdoch-trump-idiot-phone-call-immigration Yes, but just because somebody criticises Trump it doesn't automatically follow that they also idolise Obama and/or Clinton. I certainly don't.
And even if they do, if the only defence of Trump that can be mustered is Obama/Clinton whataboutery then what does that say?
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Talking of Trump...there was a report out that Rupert Murdoch called Trump a f...... idiot. But there was a rather interesting snippet that surfaced and everyone seems to have ignored it, yet it is IMO more important than a billionaire calling another billionaire names. This is it The book records Murdoch’s reply: “Donald, for eight years these guys had Obama in their pocket. They practically ran the administration. They don’t need your help.” The Murdoch called Trump an idiot because he misread the situation. This is the thing, lefties are so busy hating Trump that they didn’t see the bit where Murdoch reveals their hero to be in the pockets of rich people... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/rupert-murdoch-trump-idiot-phone-call-immigration
Yes, but just because somebody criticises Trump it doesn't automatically follow that they also idolise Obama and/or Clinton. I certainly don't. And even if they do, if the only defence of Trump that can be mustered is Obama/Clinton whataboutery then what does that say?
I don’t see anywhere thatI defended trump. That wasn’t the point. What WAS the point is that a far more insightful comment was made by Murdoch about Obama than Trump. ...but it seems that some people are so intent to dig up or read the dirt about Trump that they seem blind to a far more scathing comment about Obama . Obama is seen by many as a hero but it seems he wasn’t ...if Murdoch is right.
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Jan 5 2018, 07:00 PM
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Talking of Trump...there was a report out that Rupert Murdoch called Trump a f...... idiot. But there was a rather interesting snippet that surfaced and everyone seems to have ignored it, yet it is IMO more important than a billionaire calling another billionaire names. This is it The book records Murdoch’s reply: “Donald, for eight years these guys had Obama in their pocket. They practically ran the administration. They don’t need your help.” The Murdoch called Trump an idiot because he misread the situation. This is the thing, lefties are so busy hating Trump that they didn’t see the bit where Murdoch reveals their hero to be in the pockets of rich people... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/rupert-murdoch-trump-idiot-phone-call-immigration
Yes, but just because somebody criticises Trump it doesn't automatically follow that they also idolise Obama and/or Clinton. I certainly don't. And even if they do, if the only defence of Trump that can be mustered is Obama/Clinton whataboutery then what does that say?
I don’t see anywhere thatI defended trump. That wasn’t the point. What WAS the point is that a far more insightful comment was made by Murdoch about Obama than Trump. ...but it seems that some people are so intent to dig up or read the dirt about Trump that they seem blind to a far more scathing comment about Obama . Obama is seen by many as a hero but it seems he wasn’t ...if Murdoch is right. The comment suggested that Obama was owned by corporate America (I'm shocked, said nobody). However the account also made it clear that Trump, who campaigned on a platform of fighting the establishment and sticking up for the little guy was also very keen to jump into bed with corporate America.
And yes, there are liberal fanboys who are blind to Obama's flaws, but the same can be said of plenty of Trump's right wing groupies.
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I don’t see anywhere thatI defended trump. That wasn’t the point. What WAS the point is that a far more insightful comment was made by Murdoch about Obama than Trump. ...but it seems that some people are so intent to dig up or read the dirt about Trump that they seem blind to a far more scathing comment about Obama . Obama is seen by many as a hero but it seems he wasn’t ...if Murdoch is right.
The comment suggested that Obama was owned by corporate America (I'm shocked, said nobody). However the account also made it clear that Trump, who campaigned on a platform of fighting the establishment and sticking up for the little guy was also very keen to jump into bed with corporate America. And yes, there are liberal fanboys who are blind to Obama's flaws, but the same can be said of plenty of Trump's right wing groupies.
Please stop being obtuse. There was an article that claimed two things One was that Rupert Murdoch called Trump an idiot and another that Murdoch claimed that Obama was in the pockets of rich people not only that but they practically run the administrator. The article and others made much of the insult yet didn’t even pick up on Murdoch claim about Obama. If you don’t see the hypocrisy and the myopia of this then that’s your problem but the fact is that Obama is not seen as a puppet for corporate America and this is rather poor reflection of his image....
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Very few American politicians aren't in the pay one way or another of Corporate America.
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Very few American politicians aren't in the pay one way or another of Corporate America.
Yes but that isn’t something that is pointed out by a powerful individual every day is it? Murdoch made the point that Obama is essentially powerless and does others bidding. That’ goes against the persona that he and his admirers tend to proffer
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The comment suggested that Obama was owned by corporate America (I'm shocked, said nobody). However the account also made it clear that Trump, who campaigned on a platform of fighting the establishment and sticking up for the little guy was also very keen to jump into bed with corporate America. And yes, there are liberal fanboys who are blind to Obama's flaws, but the same can be said of plenty of Trump's right wing groupies.
Please stop being obtuse. There was an article that claimed two things One was that Rupert Murdoch called Trump an idiot and another that Murdoch claimed that Obama was in the pockets of rich people not only that but they practically run the administrator. The article and others made much of the insult yet didn’t even pick up on Murdoch claim about Obama. If you don’t see the hypocrisy and the myopia of this then that’s your problem but the fact is that Obama is not seen as a puppet for corporate America and this is rather poor reflection of his image.... I did pick up on the comment about Obama but being as the thread is about Trump I didn't see it as being particularly relevant.
After you pointed it out I acknowledged it and indicated that it came as no surprise to me and shouldn't to anyone else. I have no say or control over how others perceive him however, nor should I.
I also think it's curious that you accuse others of myopia whilst repeatedly trying to shoehorn criticism of Obama (and previously Clinton) into a thread about Trump.
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Murdoch made the point that Obama is essentially powerless and does others bidding. That’ goes against the persona that he and his admirers tend to proffer
Do you take any notice of what Murdoch says? I don't need Murdoch to tell me Obama was powerless, it was bleeding obvious.
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Very few American politicians aren't in the pay one way or another of Corporate America.
Yes but that isn’t something that is pointed out by a powerful individual every day is it? That’ goes against the persona that he and his admirers tend to proffer Yes his admirers don't see and/or admit his faults.
Same goes for everyone else's admirers, including Trump's.
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Same goes for everyone else's admirers, including Trump's.
Any bets on the 25th Amendment being applied to Trump?
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Very few American politicians aren't in the pay one way or another of Corporate America. Precisely, I thought that this was common knowledge.
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Same goes for everyone else's admirers, including Trump's.
Any bets on the 25th Amendment being applied to Trump? I wouldn't bet on it, but these days who knows.
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Please stop being obtuse. There was an article that claimed two things One was that Rupert Murdoch called Trump an idiot and another that Murdoch claimed that Obama was in the pockets of rich people not only that but they practically run the administrator. The article and others made much of the insult yet didn’t even pick up on Murdoch claim about Obama. If you don’t see the hypocrisy and the myopia of this then that’s your problem but the fact is that Obama is not seen as a puppet for corporate America and this is rather poor reflection of his image....
I did pick up on the comment about Obama but being as the thread is about Trump I didn't see it as being particularly relevant. After you pointed it out I acknowledged it and indicated that it came as no surprise to me and shouldn't to anyone else. I have no say or control over how others perceive him however, nor should I. I also think it's curious that you accuse others of myopia whilst repeatedly trying to shoehorn criticism of Obama (and previously Clinton) into a thread about Trump.
If I want to point out the hypocrisy and myopia towards previous presidents and candidates during the criticism of a Trump then I will. That doesn’t excuse you for being obtuse though. Just because you it’s no surprise to you about Obama’s that doesn’t mean that it is against the grain of the persona that he is generally seen to be. It also highlights that although Trump maybe not what he seems or is a flawed character this trait is probably common among US presidents. I think that this is a valid point. You should get a dictionary and look up myopia it doesn’t mean making valid points. You should also look up obtuse...it means wilfully ignoring them..in your case.
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Murdoch made the point that Obama is essentially powerless and does others bidding. That’ goes against the persona that he and his admirers tend to proffer
Do you take any notice of what Murdoch says? I don't need Murdoch to tell me Obama was powerless, it was bleeding obvious.
Give me strength. You put up posts about how much you are feared by the government and how much you know then make up a post like this.......Murdoch knows things . He mixes with people who know things. You mend motorbikes .
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Personally I am glad I live over 3500 miles from the USA.
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I did pick up on the comment about Obama but being as the thread is about Trump I didn't see it as being particularly relevant. After you pointed it out I acknowledged it and indicated that it came as no surprise to me and shouldn't to anyone else. I have no say or control over how others perceive him however, nor should I. I also think it's curious that you accuse others of myopia whilst repeatedly trying to shoehorn criticism of Obama (and previously Clinton) into a thread about Trump.
If I want to point out the hypocrisy and myopia towards previous presidents and candidates during the criticism of a Trump then I will. That doesn’t excuse you for being obtuse though. Just because you it’s no surprise to you about Obama’s that doesn’t mean that it is against the grain of the persona that he is generally seen to be. It also highlights that although Trump maybe not what he seems or is a flawed character this trait is probably common among US presidents. I think that this is a valid point. You should get a dictionary and look up myopia it doesn’t mean making valid points. You should also look up obtuse...it means wilfully ignoring them..in your case. So I was wilfully ignoring a point I've acknowledged several times? Ok.........
I can't speak for other people re: Obama so I don't.
I can only speak for myself and I have acknowledged several times that Obama was in the pocket of corporate America.
And speaking of hypocrisy, is it not somewhat hypocritical to campaign on an anti-establishment, anti-immigration platform and then talk about how you can help big corporations bring in immigant labour?
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Why ?
How long have you got?
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If I want to point out the hypocrisy and myopia towards previous presidents and candidates during the criticism of a Trump then I will. That doesn’t excuse you for being obtuse though. Just because you it’s no surprise to you about Obama’s that doesn’t mean that it is against the grain of the persona that he is generally seen to be. It also highlights that although Trump maybe not what he seems or is a flawed character this trait is probably common among US presidents. I think that this is a valid point. You should get a dictionary and look up myopia it doesn’t mean making valid points. You should also look up obtuse...it means wilfully ignoring them..in your case.
So I was wilfully ignoring a point I've acknowledged several times? Ok......... I can't speak other people re: Obama so I don't. I can only speak for myself and I have acknowledged several times that Obama was in the pocket of corporate America. And speaking of hypocrisy, is it not somewhat hypocritical to campaign on an anti-establishment, anti-immigration platform and then talk about how you can help big corporations bring inimmigant labour?
Speaking of myopia. I have stated that I am not defending Trump. Speaking of obtuseness. I have stated that it doesn’t matter what you think . You dismissed a claim by an important insider about Obama by telling us that it was common knowledge. It isn’t. It certainly isn’t the persona that so many apply to Obama especially in the media. It highlighted the myopia and hypocrisy in the criticism of Trump. Maybe Inshould cut and paste this every time you reply
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Why ?
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So I was wilfully ignoring a point I've acknowledged several times? Ok......... I can't speak other people re: Obama so I don't. I can only speak for myself and I have acknowledged several times that Obama was in the pocket of corporate America. And speaking of hypocrisy, is it not somewhat hypocritical to campaign on an anti-establishment, anti-immigration platform and then talk about how you can help big corporations bring inimmigant labour?
Speaking of myopia. I have stated that I am not defending Trump. Speaking of obtuseness. I have stated that it doesn’t matter what you think . You dismissed a claim by an important insider about Obama by telling us that it was common knowledge. It isn’t. It certainly isn’t the persona that so many apply to Obama especially in the media. It highlighted the myopia and hypocrisy in the criticism of Trump. Maybe Inshould cut and paste this every time you reply Right, I will try one more time.
I AGREE Obama was in the pocket of corporate America.
I AGREE that many of Obama's supporters refuse to acknowledge or admit this and are hypocritical in criticizing Trump for the same thing.
Can we put that to bed now and get back to discussing the thread subject please?
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Stop stalling and try to justify your point.
I just dislike America, I would not go there even if someone paid all my expenses.
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Speaking of myopia. I have stated that I am not defending Trump. Speaking of obtuseness. I have stated that it doesn’t matter what you think . You dismissed a claim by an important insider about Obama by telling us that it was common knowledge. It isn’t. It certainly isn’t the persona that so many apply to Obama especially in the media. It highlighted the myopia and hypocrisy in the criticism of Trump. Maybe Inshould cut and paste this every time you reply
Right, I will try one more time. I AGREE Obama was in the pocket of corporate America. I AGREE that many of Obama's supporters refuse to acknowledge or admit this and are hypocritical in criticizing Trump for the same thing. Can we put that to bed now and get back to discussing the thread subject please?
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Stop stalling and try to justify your point.
I just dislike America, I would not go there even if someone paid all my expenses.
Well that didn’t take long did it? I should of said 30 seconds when you asked how long I had. I thought you may had had an insight but it looks like you know even less than Murdoch.
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Right, I will try one more time. I AGREE Obama was in the pocket of corporate America. I AGREE that many of Obama's supporters refuse to acknowledge or admit this and are hypocritical in criticizing Trump for the same thing. Can we put that to bed now and get back to discussing the thread subject please?
See post 2419. Ok, so I thought it was common knowledge, if I'm wrong then fine.
Any other hoops I need to jump through before we can get back to discussing the thread subject?
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See post 2419.
Ok, so I thought it was common knowledge, if I'm wrong then fine. Any other hoops I need to jump through before we can get back to discussing the thread subject?
I think you should stop talking about you and start getting back to the subject.
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Ok, so I thought it was common knowledge, if I'm wrong then fine. Any other hoops I need to jump through before we can get back to discussing the thread subject?
I think you should stop talking about you and start getting back to the subject. I agree.
So Trump, rather hypocritical of him to campaign on a platform of anti-immigration and anti-establishment righteousness then start talking behind closed doors about helping corporations bring in immigrant labour I think.
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I think you should stop talking about you and start getting back to the subject.
I agree. So Trump, rather hypocritical of him to campaign on a platform of anti-immigration and anti-establishment righteousness then start talking behind closed doors about helping corporations bring in immigrant labour I think. How about you?
That’s common knowledge. Looks like he’s doing what so many previous president have done. Been hypocritical.
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I agree. So Trump, rather hypocritical of him to campaign on a platform of anti-immigration and anti-establishment righteousness then start talking behind closed doors about helping corporations bring in immigrant labour I think. How about you?
That’s common knowledge. Looks like he’s doing what so many previous president have done. Been hypocritical. Common knowledge that he is hypocritical and no different to his predecessors despite claiming to be a straight talking anti-establishment figure?
I agree.
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That’s common knowledge. Looks like he’s doing what so many previous president have done. Been hypocritical.
Common knowledge that he is hypocritical and no different to his predecessors despite claiming to be a straight talking anti-establishment figure? I agree.
Yup . He’s no better at pussy grabbing than Slick willy Clinton . He’s no more of a war monger than Dubya ( I’d put him on par with Reagan atm). He’s a snake oil salesman and a crook ..just like Hilary .
As somebody or the other once said...The Main Thing Is Honesty. If You Can Fake That, You’ve Got It Made
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Common knowledge that he is hypocritical and no different to his predecessors despite claiming to be a straight talking anti-establishment figure? I agree.
Yup . He’s no better at pussy grabbing than Slick willy Clinton . He’s no more of a war monger than Dubya ( I’d put him on par with Reagan atm). He’s a snake oil salesman and a crook ..just like Hilary . As somebody or the other once said...The Main Thing Is Honesty. If You Can Fake That, You’ve Got It Made Yes, fake sincerity is a very powerful political tool. Nigel Farrage and late 90's Blair especially were also great exponents of this IMO.
I think Trump highlights how this is increasingly effective in the current political climate, although one thing I think Blair also proved is that it does have a shelf life.
Sooner or later Trump is going to have to back it up with something or he could end up a one term, lame duck President.
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- gansao
- Jan 5 2018, 08:39 PM
- Happy Hornet
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Yup . He’s no better at pussy grabbing than Slick willy Clinton . He’s no more of a war monger than Dubya ( I’d put him on par with Reagan atm). He’s a snake oil salesman and a crook ..just like Hilary . As somebody or the other once said...The Main Thing Is Honesty. If You Can Fake That, You’ve Got It Made
Yes, fake sincerity is a very powerful political tool. Nigel Farrage and late 90's Blair especially were also great exponents of this IMO. I think Trump highlights how this is increasingly effective in the current political climate, although one thing I think Blair also proved is that it does have a shelf life. Sooner or later Trump is going to have to back it up with something or he could end up a one term, lame duck President.
Iirc the US employment figures are pretty good and the stock market is strong. Trumps foreign policy possibly will pay off but we will see. Also his resistance to the concept of AGW could be a vote winner in the US. Also ,so far ,he has been able to rebuff the relentless claims of collusion with Russia. He could end up a one term president or he could end up as a new Ronald Reagan. I’m not sure how Farage was insincere but that’s another thread .
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Jan 5 2018, 09:46 PM
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it looks like you know even less than Murdoch. I doubt that is possible.
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- Happy Hornet
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Yes, fake sincerity is a very powerful political tool. Nigel Farrage and late 90's Blair especially were also great exponents of this IMO. I think Trump highlights how this is increasingly effective in the current political climate, although one thing I think Blair also proved is that it does have a shelf life. Sooner or later Trump is going to have to back it up with something or he could end up a one term, lame duck President.
Iirc the US employment figures are pretty good and the stock market is strong. Trumps foreign policy possibly will pay off but we will see. Also his resistance to the concept of AGW could be a vote winner in the US. Also ,so far ,he has been able to rebuff the relentless claims of collusion with Russia. He could end up a one term president or he could end up as a new Ronald Reagan. I’m not sure how Farage was insincere but that’s another thread . Well I'm not sure be has been in office long enough to take the credit for the state of the economy or whether he's simply enjoying the continuation of Obama's economic policies.
We could argue all day about it but from his point of view the only judgement that matters is that of the American people. His approval rating makes grim reading:
"(CNN) President Donald Trump's approval rating sank to a new low in CNN polling on Tuesday, earning the approval of just 35% of Americans less than a year into his first term.
It marks the worst approval rating in a December of any elected president's first year in the White House by a wide margin — and only the second time since the dawn of modern polling that a president's approval rating sank under 50% at this point. A broad 59% of Americans said they disapprove of how Trump is handling his job as president."
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/politics/trump-approval-new-low-history/index.html
His foreign policy might work then again it could backfire disastrously.
Interesting that you mention Reagan, this is the first time since Reagan that I can recall the President's mental health being questioned.
As you say, time will tell.
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Jan 6 2018, 04:23 PM
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- Happy Hornet
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Iirc the US employment figures are pretty good and the stock market is strong. Trumps foreign policy possibly will pay off but we will see. Also his resistance to the concept of AGW could be a vote winner in the US. Also ,so far ,he has been able to rebuff the relentless claims of collusion with Russia. He could end up a one term president or he could end up as a new Ronald Reagan. I’m not sure how Farage was insincere but that’s another thread .
Well I'm not sure be has been in office long enough to take the credit for the state of the economy or whether he's simply enjoying the continuation of Obama's economic policies. We could argue all day about it but from his point of view the only judgement that matters is that of the American people. His approval rating makes grim reading: "(CNN) President Donald Trump's approval rating sank to a new low in CNN polling on Tuesday, earning the approval of just 35% of Americans less than a year into his first term. It marks the worst approval rating in a December of any elected president's first year in the White House by a wide margin — and only the second time since the dawn of modern polling that a president's approval rating sank under 50% at this point. A broad 59% of Americans said they disapprove of how Trump is handling his job as president." http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/politics/trump-approval-new-low-history/index.htmlHis foreign policy might work then again it could backfire disastrously. Interesting that you mention Reagan, this is the first time since Reagan that I can recall the President's mental health being questioned. As you say, time will tell.
Ronald Reagan was considered a dullard when he became president. He was lampooned throughout his two terms. Now he is considered a very successful president by Republicans. He is thought of in the same Mould as we think of a Thatcher iirc. If Trump isn’t backstabbed by the establishment and his foreign policy is not unsuccessful..and if the US economy is reasonably successful he may get a second term .
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Jan 6 2018, 04:30 PM
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Well I'm not sure be has been in office long enough to take the credit for the state of the economy or whether he's simply enjoying the continuation of Obama's economic policies. We could argue all day about it but from his point of view the only judgement that matters is that of the American people. His approval rating makes grim reading: "(CNN) President Donald Trump's approval rating sank to a new low in CNN polling on Tuesday, earning the approval of just 35% of Americans less than a year into his first term. It marks the worst approval rating in a December of any elected president's first year in the White House by a wide margin — and only the second time since the dawn of modern polling that a president's approval rating sank under 50% at this point. A broad 59% of Americans said they disapprove of how Trump is handling his job as president." http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/politics/trump-approval-new-low-history/index.htmlHis foreign policy might work then again it could backfire disastrously. Interesting that you mention Reagan, this is the first time since Reagan that I can recall the President's mental health being questioned. As you say, time will tell.
Ronald Reagan was considered a dullard when he became president. He was lampooned throughout his two terms. Now he is considered a very successful president by Republicans. He is thought of in the same Mould as we think of a Thatcher iirc. If Trump isn’t backstabbed by the establishment and his foreign policy is not unsuccessful..and if the US economy is reasonably successful he may get a second term . He may well be successful but if he isn't I don't think it will be the establishment that will be to blame.
Despite what he may say Trump could not be more pro and of the establishment if he tried IMHO.
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- Happy Hornet
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Ronald Reagan was considered a dullard when he became president. He was lampooned throughout his two terms. Now he is considered a very successful president by Republicans. He is thought of in the same Mould as we think of a Thatcher iirc. If Trump isn’t backstabbed by the establishment and his foreign policy is not unsuccessful..and if the US economy is reasonably successful he may get a second term .
He may well be successful but if he isn't I don't think it will be the establishment that will be to blame. Despite what he may say Trump could not be more pro and of the establishment if he tried IMHO.
I never said that the establishment would be to blame. I think you need to define establishment to defend your second point. Trump is being pretty much vilified by the media, arts and much of the mainstream world politics , he is in turn vilifying them in tweets and other ways ie the White House spokesperson ..if you think that the media, arts and much of the mainstream politics are not the establishment then fire away with your evidence. Trump is a maverick who supports the more right wing , less government ,less tax and aggressive foreign policy ( less government is a moot point..Reagan promoted less government while actually getting more control). ..he is considered by many to be a popularist politician. If you claim than popularism is the establishment and not a contradiction in terms then fire away with your evidence .
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Jan 6 2018, 05:08 PM
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He may well be successful but if he isn't I don't think it will be the establishment that will be to blame. Despite what he may say Trump could not be more pro and of the establishment if he tried IMHO.
I never said that the establishment would be to blame. I think you need to define establishment to defend your second point. Trump is being pretty much vilified by the media, arts and much of the mainstream world politics , he is in turn vilifying them in tweets and other ways ie the White House spokesperson ..if you think that the media, arts and much of the mainstream politics are not the establishment then fire away with your evidence. Trump is a maverick who supports the more right wing , less government ,less tax and aggressive foreign policy ( less government is a moot point..Reagan promoted less government while actually getting more control). ..he is considered by many to be a popularist politician. If you claim than popularism is the establishment and not a contradiction in terms then fire away with your evidence . Trump is villified in some sections of the media but lauded in others and he is apparently very pally with Rupert Murdoch.
Trump has appointed the most corporate cabinet in US history and his executive orders include tax cuts for corporations and wealthy individuals (with cuts to welfare possibly being enacted to pay for them) and when all that hoo hah about his travel ban was going on he quietly signed an executive order scaling back Wall Street regulations designed to prevent another 2009 financial crisis.
Yeah, take that establishment.
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I never said that the establishment would be to blame. I think you need to define establishment to defend your second point. Trump is being pretty much vilified by the media, arts and much of the mainstream world politics , he is in turn vilifying them in tweets and other ways ie the White House spokesperson ..if you think that the media, arts and much of the mainstream politics are not the establishment then fire away with your evidence. Trump is a maverick who supports the more right wing , less government ,less tax and aggressive foreign policy ( less government is a moot point..Reagan promoted less government while actually getting more control). ..he is considered by many to be a popularist politician. If you claim than popularism is the establishment and not a contradiction in terms then fire away with your evidence .
Trump is villified in some sections of the media but lauded in others and he is apparently very pally with Rupert Murdoch. Trump has appointed the most corporate cabinet in US history and his executive orders include tax cuts for corporations and wealthy individuals (with cuts to welfare possibly being enacted to pay for them) and when all that hoo hah about his travel ban was going on he quietly signed an executive order scaling back Wall Street regulations designed to prevent another 2009 financial crisis. Yeah, take that establishment.
He was pally with Murdoch until Murdoch called him a F....Idiot. So you think that financial institutions are the establishment or do you define ‘establishment ‘ as financial institutions ?
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Jan 6 2018, 05:37 PM
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Trump is villified in some sections of the media but lauded in others and he is apparently very pally with Rupert Murdoch. Trump has appointed the most corporate cabinet in US history and his executive orders include tax cuts for corporations and wealthy individuals (with cuts to welfare possibly being enacted to pay for them) and when all that hoo hah about his travel ban was going on he quietly signed an executive order scaling back Wall Street regulations designed to prevent another 2009 financial crisis. Yeah, take that establishment.
He was pally with Murdoch until Murdoch called him a F....Idiot. So you think that financial institutions are the establishment or do you define ‘establishment ‘ as financial institutions ? According to the same source as the Murdoch quote Trump also had discussions with large corporations about how he could help them bring in foreign labour. Another blow to the establishment 😂
My definition of the establishment is the powerful and the organisations and institutions that support them.
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