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He was pally with Murdoch until Murdoch called him a F....Idiot. So you think that financial institutions are the establishment or do you define ‘establishment ‘ as financial institutions ?
According to the same source as the Murdoch quote Trump also had discussions with large corporations about how he could help them bring in foreign labour. Another blow to the establishment 😂 My definition of the establishment is the powerful and the organisations and institutions that support them.
Which includes the media,arts and mainstream world politics. So your definition of the establishment is whatever part of the establishment that suits you at the time. Trump seems to have taught you well
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According to the same source as the Murdoch quote Trump also had discussions with large corporations about how he could help them bring in foreign labour. Another blow to the establishment 😂 My definition of the establishment is the powerful and the organisations and institutions that support them.
Which includes the media,arts and mainstream world politics. So your definition of the establishment is whatever part of the establishment that suits you at the time. Trump seems to have taught you well Yes the media would be included in that. As I said some parts of the media oppose him, others laud him. You can't get more media establishment than Murdoch.
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Which includes the media,arts and mainstream world politics. So your definition of the establishment is whatever part of the establishment that suits you at the time. Trump seems to have taught you well
Yes the media would be included in that. As I said some parts of the media oppose him, others laud him. You can't get more media establishment than Murdoch.
When it suits you . Support by Fox News does not mean support from the media.Fox news is a minority media outlets tha traditionally support right wing views Are you saying that Trump has equal support from the media as criticism? Are you saying that he has the support of the arts or equal support for pro and against? Are you saying that he has general support from mainstream world politics ? Are you saying he is popular among the media outlets or would you say he had the support of the media if the Mississippi Bugle had written some nice articles about him?
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Yes the media would be included in that. As I said some parts of the media oppose him, others laud him. You can't get more media establishment than Murdoch.
When it suits you . Support by Fox News does not mean support from the media.Fox news is a minority media outlets tha traditionally support right wing views Are you saying that Trump has equal support from the media as criticism? Are you saying that he has the support of the arts or equal support for pro and against? Are you saying that he has general support from mainstream world politics ? Are you saying he is popular among the media outlets or would you say he had the support of the media if the Mississippi Bugle had written some nice articles about him? I never said it was split 50/50 down the middle. Nor will he ever have the support of all of the establishment as it isn't one united entity.
But the fact is he does have support of powerful media figures and institutions and has gone out of his way to help Wall Street and corporate America. Does having the most corporate cabinet in US history really sound anti-establishment to you?
You accuse me of being selective but aren't you doing the same in focusing on the media and arts who opppose him but ignoring his collusion with and favouritism to Wall Street and corporate America?
You want to see what a real anti-establishment figure looks like take a look at Bernie Sanders. That's also why he'll never set foot in the oval office.
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"I’m not sure how Farage was insincere but that’s another thread ."
I understand that he is to have a one on one meeting with Barnier in the near future.
I would dearly love to be a fly on the wall at that get together.
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This is last night's Tweet from Glorious Leader:
"....Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart. Crooked Hillary Clinton also played these cards very hard and, as everyone knows, went down in flames. I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!"
We all burst out laughing when we heard that this morning. This guy is utterly, totally and completely bonkers.
As they say in Joisey, "He ain't got no class", neither.
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This is last night's Tweet from Glorious Leader:
"....Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart. Crooked Hillary Clinton also played these cards very hard and, as everyone knows, went down in flames. I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!"
We all burst out laughing when we heard that this morning. This guy is utterly, totally and completely bonkers.
As they say in Joisey, "He ain't got no class", neither. Yes, the fact that he is having to reassure people that he is mentally competent in the first place speaks volumes.
And that's not the fault of Hilary or the liberal media or whoever else king snowflake claims to be a victim of. It's his fault. His behavior before and after this book was published has leant the claims made in it more and more credibility.
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This is last night's Tweet from Glorious Leader:
"....Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart. Crooked Hillary Clinton also played these cards very hard and, as everyone knows, went down in flames. I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!"
We all burst out laughing when we heard that this morning. This guy is utterly, totally and completely bonkers.
As they say in Joisey, "He ain't got no class", neither.
Yes, the fact that he is having to reassure people that he is mentally competent in the first place speaks volumes. And that's not the fault of Hilary or the liberal media or whoever else king snowflake claims to be a victim of. It's his fault. His behavior before and after this book was published has leant the claims made in it more and more credibility. Mark Hamill , (Yes, the Jedi ...) came back with this apropos Tweet that sums it up nicely: "Congratulations, sir! This dignified, statesman-like tweet is the perfect way to counter the book's narrative that you're an impulsive, childish dimwit."
Trump keeps reminding me of Captain Queeg looking for the stolen strawberries. http://youtu.be/ZlV3oQ3pLA0
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The..."my button is bigger than your button" tweet has to be the worst........What is he 12 ?
It would be funny if it weren't so freakkin terrifying.
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The..."my button is bigger than your button" tweet has to be the worst........What is he 12 ? It would be funny if it weren't so freakkin terrifying. This guy must be so concerning to the U S military leadership that it wouldn't surprise me if there was a secret plan being put together at the highest level to, at least consider, a military coup. I don't expect to see one but on one level, they aren't doing their jobs if they haven't planned for every contingency but to do do could be viewed as treasonable.
Interesting times.
I live in a far more stable country but we live next door to this rogue elephant, you see.
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The..."my button is bigger than your button" tweet has to be the worst........What is he 12 ? It would be funny if it weren't so freakkin terrifying.
This guy must be so concerning to the U S military leadership that it wouldn't surprise me if there was a secret plan being put together at the highest level to, at least consider, a military coup. I don't expect to see one but on one level, they aren't doing their jobs if they haven't planned for every contingency but to do do could be viewed as treasonable. Interesting times. I live in a far more stable country but we live next door to this rogue elephant, you see. Well if the stories about his lifestyle are true then any number of medical conditions could well finish his presidency prematurely.
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The..."my button is bigger than your button" tweet has to be the worst........What is he 12 ? It would be funny if it weren't so freakkin terrifying.
This guy must be so concerning to the U S military leadership that it wouldn't surprise me if there was a secret plan being put together at the highest level to, at least consider, a military coup. I don't expect to see one but on one level, they aren't doing their jobs if they haven't planned for every contingency but to do do could be viewed as treasonable. Interesting times. I live in a far more stable country but we live next door to this rogue elephant, you see.
Well if the stories about his lifestyle are true then any number of medical conditions could well finish his presidency prematurely. If that happens, Pence becomes President and we get to see real, live 21st century Oliver Cromwell at work.
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Well if the stories about his lifestyle are true then any number of medical conditions could well finish his presidency prematurely.
If that happens, Pence becomes President and we get to see real, live 21st century Oliver Cromwell at work. Yep, things can always get worse.
PS mentioned earlier the possibility of the 25th amendment being enacted. How likely do you think that is?
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That only happens if enough of the Republicans jump ship. That might happen if a significant number realize that their party and brand will be poison for decades if this continues on much further. Trump is doing things that run exactly contrary to their party platform, such as tearing up NAFTA, for example.
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That only happens if enough of the Republicans jump ship. That might happen if a significant number realize that their party and brand will be poison for decades if this continues on much further. Trump is doing things that run exactly contrary to their party platform, such as tearing up NAFTA, for example. Yes, if their own positions at the trough come under threat then who knows. The mid terms will be very interesting.
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When it suits you . Support by Fox News does not mean support from the media.Fox news is a minority media outlets tha traditionally support right wing views Are you saying that Trump has equal support from the media as criticism? Are you saying that he has the support of the arts or equal support for pro and against? Are you saying that he has general support from mainstream world politics ? Are you saying he is popular among the media outlets or would you say he had the support of the media if the Mississippi Bugle had written some nice articles about him?
I never said it was split 50/50 down the middle. Nor will he ever have the support of all of the establishment as it isn't one united entity. But the fact is he does have support of powerful media figures and institutions and has gone out of his way to help Wall Street and corporate America. Does having the most corporate cabinet in US history really sound anti-establishment to you? You accuse me of being selective but aren't you doing the same in focusing on the media and arts who opppose him but ignoring his collusion with and favouritism to Wall Street and corporate America? You want to see what a real anti-establishment figure looks like take a look at Bernie Sanders. That's also why he'll never set foot in the oval office.
He doesn’t have support of powerful media figures ( or at least not enough to say that the media supports him). Fox news is probably about as watched worldwide as RT and Murdoch thinks he’s an idiot. I accuse you of being selective because you are being selective and rather boringly obtuse. Insisting that select billionaires and Fox News constitutes the establishment is cobblers and you know it. Using the strawman of Bernie Sanders doesn’t help either.
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That only happens if enough of the Republicans jump ship. That might happen if a significant number realize that their party and brand will be poison for decades if this continues on much further. Trump is doing things that run exactly contrary to their party platform, such as tearing up NAFTA, for example.
Iirc tearing up NAFTA was an election pledge.....which apparently runs exactly contrary to the Republican Party platform ...the very Republican Party that endorsed him. Maybe while the media is concentrating on Trumps tweets , rhetoric and blood curdling tales of his ‘ mental stability ‘ the same people who ran the country under Obama ( if Murdoch is correct) are quietly doing the same with Trump. No wall, no chance of a US attack on NK, no ban on the citizens of selective Muslim countries getting into the US, lukewarm or no support for Trumps view on AGW. Maybe Trump is as weak as Obama was.
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That only happens if enough of the Republicans jump ship. That might happen if a significant number realize that their party and brand will be poison for decades if this continues on much further. Trump is doing things that run exactly contrary to their party platform, such as tearing up NAFTA, for example.
Iirc tearing up NAFTA was an election pledge.....which apparently runs exactly contrary to the Republican Party platform ...the very Republican Party that endorsed him. Maybe while the media is concentrating on Trumps tweets , rhetoric and blood curdling tales of his ‘ mental stability ‘ the same people who ran the country under Obama ( if Murdoch is correct) are quietly doing the same with Trump. No wall, no chance of a US attack on NK, no ban on the citizens of selective Muslim countries getting into the US, lukewarm or no support for Trumps view on AGW. Maybe Trump is as weak as Obama was. Well, I have said it before and will iterate now.
Trump is trying his level best, despite obstacles put in his path, to implement and to put in place the promises he made during the campaign and which he was subsequently elected to so do.
Personally, I wish him luck in his endeavours.
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I never said it was split 50/50 down the middle. Nor will he ever have the support of all of the establishment as it isn't one united entity. But the fact is he does have support of powerful media figures and institutions and has gone out of his way to help Wall Street and corporate America. Does having the most corporate cabinet in US history really sound anti-establishment to you? You accuse me of being selective but aren't you doing the same in focusing on the media and arts who opppose him but ignoring his collusion with and favouritism to Wall Street and corporate America? You want to see what a real anti-establishment figure looks like take a look at Bernie Sanders. That's also why he'll never set foot in the oval office.
He doesn’t have support of powerful media figures ( or at least not enough to say that the media supports him). Fox news is probably about as watched worldwide as RT and Murdoch thinks he’s an idiot. I accuse you of being selective because you are being selective and rather boringly obtuse. Insisting that select billionaires and Fox News constitutes the establishment is cobblers and you know it. Using the strawman of Bernie Sanders doesn’t help either. "January 2014 marked Fox News's 145th consecutive month as the number one rated cable news channel. During that month, Fox News beat CNN and MSNBC combined in overall viewers in both prime time hours and the total day.[50] In the third quarter of 2014, the network was the most-watched cable channel during prime time hours.[51] During the final week of the campaign for the United States elections, 2014, Fox News had the highest ratings of any cable channel, news or otherwise.
On election night itself, Fox News' coverage had higher ratings than that of any of the other five cable or network news sources among viewers between 25 and 54 years of age.[52] The network hosted the first prime-time GOP candidates' forum of the 2016 campaign on August 6. The debate reached a record-breaking 24 million viewers, by far the largest audience ever for any cable news event.[53]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News
So let's not pretend that Fox News is a minor player. And that is just one of several pro-Trump media outlets.
When you combine that with Wall Street and corporate America that's a pretty big chunk of the establishment.
Of course he doesn't have all of the establishment in his corner, nobody does because the establishment is made up of a number of different bodies often with conflicting interests.
But a man who fills his cabinet with billionaires and CEOs and doles out tax cuts to corporations and billionaires clearly isn't a rebel. He's an establishment stooge.
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He doesn’t have support of powerful media figures ( or at least not enough to say that the media supports him). Fox news is probably about as watched worldwide as RT and Murdoch thinks he’s an idiot. I accuse you of being selective because you are being selective and rather boringly obtuse. Insisting that select billionaires and Fox News constitutes the establishment is cobblers and you know it. Using the strawman of Bernie Sanders doesn’t help either.
"January 2014 marked Fox News's 145th consecutive month as the number one rated cable news channel. During that month, Fox News beat CNN and MSNBC combined in overall viewers in both prime time hours and the total day.[50] In the third quarter of 2014, the network was the most-watched cable channel during prime time hours.[51] During the final week of the campaign for the United States elections, 2014, Fox News had the highest ratings of any cable channel, news or otherwise. On election night itself, Fox News' coverage had higher ratings than that of any of the other five cable or network news sources among viewers between 25 and 54 years of age.[52] The network hosted the first prime-time GOP candidates' forum of the 2016 campaign on August 6. The debate reached a record-breaking 24 million viewers, by far the largest audience ever for any cable news event.[53]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_NewsSo let's not pretend that Fox News is a minor player. And that is just one of several pro-Trump media outlets. When you combine that with Wall Street and corporate America that's a pretty big chunk of the establishment. Of course he doesn't have all of the establishment in his corner, nobody does because the establishment is made up of a number of different bodies often with conflicting interests. But a man who fills his cabinet with billionaires and CEOs and doles out tax cuts to corporations and billionaires clearly isn't a rebel. He's an establishment stooge.
So if Sky news supported Trump then he would have the support of the U.K. media? And having billionaires in his cabinet makes him an establishment stooge? Trump supported by the media and the establishment..?.you couldn’t make it up....oh you just did! Give me strength..
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That only happens if enough of the Republicans jump ship. That might happen if a significant number realize that their party and brand will be poison for decades if this continues on much further. Trump is doing things that run exactly contrary to their party platform, such as tearing up NAFTA, for example.
Iirc tearing up NAFTA was an election pledge.....which apparently runs exactly contrary to the Republican Party platform ...the very Republican Party that endorsed him. Maybe while the media is concentrating on Trumps tweets , rhetoric and blood curdling tales of his ‘ mental stability ‘ the same people who ran the country under Obama ( if Murdoch is correct) are quietly doing the same with Trump. No wall, no chance of a US attack on NK, no ban on the citizens of selective Muslim countries getting into the US, lukewarm or no support for Trumps view on AGW. Maybe Trump is as weak as Obama was.
Well, I have said it before and will iterate now. Trump is trying his level best, despite obstacles put in his path, to implement and to put in place the promises he made during the campaign and which he was subsequently elected to so do. Personally, I wish him luck in his endeavours.
Lefties will call him anything that will that will demonise him but calling him an establishment stooge sets the bar to a new low. I wonder if Kathy Griffin has heard that one
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"January 2014 marked Fox News's 145th consecutive month as the number one rated cable news channel. During that month, Fox News beat CNN and MSNBC combined in overall viewers in both prime time hours and the total day.[50] In the third quarter of 2014, the network was the most-watched cable channel during prime time hours.[51] During the final week of the campaign for the United States elections, 2014, Fox News had the highest ratings of any cable channel, news or otherwise. On election night itself, Fox News' coverage had higher ratings than that of any of the other five cable or network news sources among viewers between 25 and 54 years of age.[52] The network hosted the first prime-time GOP candidates' forum of the 2016 campaign on August 6. The debate reached a record-breaking 24 million viewers, by far the largest audience ever for any cable news event.[53]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_NewsSo let's not pretend that Fox News is a minor player. And that is just one of several pro-Trump media outlets. When you combine that with Wall Street and corporate America that's a pretty big chunk of the establishment. Of course he doesn't have all of the establishment in his corner, nobody does because the establishment is made up of a number of different bodies often with conflicting interests. But a man who fills his cabinet with billionaires and CEOs and doles out tax cuts to corporations and billionaires clearly isn't a rebel. He's an establishment stooge.
So if Sky news supported Trump then he would have the support of the U.K. media? And having billionaires in his cabinet makes him an establishment stooge? Trump supported by the media and the establishment..?.you couldn’t make it up....oh you just did! Give me strength.. A man who was born into money, inherited millions and ensconced in New York high society and television thanks to his 10 year stint on the apprentice.
Upon becoming President he appoints the most corporate cabinet in US history, scaling back regulations designed to prevent another economic crash just so it's easier for investment banks on Wall Street to make even more money, doling out tax cuts to corporations and billionaires. In short he oversees an administration ran by the wealthy for the wealthy
Those are the actions of an anti-establishment figure? You really couldn't make it up. Oh wait you just did.
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Well, I have said it before and will iterate now. Trump is trying his level best, despite obstacles put in his path, to implement and to put in place the promises he made during the campaign and which he was subsequently elected to so do. Personally, I wish him luck in his endeavours.
Lefties will call him anything that will that will demonise him but calling him an establishment stooge sets the bar to a new low. I wonder if Kathy Griffin has heard that one I'm not a leftie, I consider political tribalism to be one of if not the biggest problem facing our society.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep “Donald, for eight years these guys had Obama in their pocket. They practically ran the administration. They don’t need your help.” The Murdoch called Trump an idiot because he misread the situation. This is the thing, lefties are so busy hating Trump that they didn’t see the bit where Murdoch reveals their hero to be in the pockets of rich people... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/rupert-murdoch-trump-idiot-phone-call-immigrationhttp://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/politics/trump-approval-new-low-history/index.html[50] In the third quarter of 2014, the network was the most-watched cable channel during prime time hours.[51] During the final week of the campaign for the United States elections, 2014, Fox News had the highest ratings of any cable channel, news or otherwise. On election night itself, Fox News' coverage had higher ratings than that of any of the other five cable or network news sources among viewers between 25 and 54 years of age.[52] The network hosted the first prime-time GOP candidates' forum of the 2016 campaign on August 6. The debate reached a record-breaking 24 million viewers, by far the largest audience ever for any cable news event.[53]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_NewsSo let's not pretend that Fox News is a minor player. And that is just one of several pro-Trump media outlets. When you combine that with Wall Street and corporate America that's a pretty big chunk of the establishment. Of course he doesn't have all of the establishment in his corner, nobody does because the establishment is made up of a number of different bodies often with conflicting interests. But a man who fills his cabinet with billionaires and CEOs and doles out tax cuts to corporations and billionaires clearly isn't a rebel. He's an establishment stooge.
So if Sky news supported Trump then he would have the support of the U.K. media? And having billionaires in his cabinet makes him an establishment stooge? Trump supported by the media and the establishment..?.you couldn’t make it up....oh you just did! Give me strength..
A man who was born into money, inherited millions and ensconced in New York high society and television thanks to his 10 year stint on the apprentice. Upon becoming President he appoints the most corporate cabinet in US history, scaling back regulations designed to prevent another economic crash just so it's easier for investment banks on Wall Street to make even more money, doling out tax cuts to corporations and billionaires. In short he oversees an administration ran by the wealthy for the wealthy Those are the actions of an anti-establishment figure? You really couldn't make it up. Oh wait you just did.
I don’t recall calling him ‘ anti establishment figure’ But I will accept that I did if you point out the post......
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep “Donald, for eight years these guys had Obama in their pocket. They practically ran the administration. They don’t need your help.” The Murdoch called Trump an idiot because he misread the situation. This is the thing, lefties are so busy hating Trump that they didn’t see the bit where Murdoch reveals their hero to be in the pockets of rich people... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/rupert-murdoch-trump-idiot-phone-call-immigrationhttp://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/politics/trump-approval-new-low-history/index.html[50] In the third quarter of 2014, the network was the most-watched cable channel during prime time hours.[51] During the final week of the campaign for the United States elections, 2014, Fox News had the highest ratings of any cable channel, news or otherwise. On election night itself, Fox News' coverage had higher ratings than that of any of the other five cable or network news sources among viewers between 25 and 54 years of age.[52] The network hosted the first prime-time GOP candidates' forum of the 2016 campaign on August 6. The debate reached a record-breaking 24 million viewers, by far the largest audience ever for any cable news event.[53]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News
A man who was born into money, inherited millions and ensconced in New York high society and television thanks to his 10 year stint on the apprentice. Upon becoming President he appoints the most corporate cabinet in US history, scaling back regulations designed to prevent another economic crash just so it's easier for investment banks on Wall Street to make even more money, doling out tax cuts to corporations and billionaires. In short he oversees an administration ran by the wealthy for the wealthy Those are the actions of an anti-establishment figure? You really couldn't make it up. Oh wait you just did.
I don’t recall calling him ‘ anti establishment figure’ But I will accept that I did if you point out the post...... Right so we agree that be isn't an anti-establishment figure?
Which means that he is either neutral or ambivalent towards the establishment or pro-establishment yes?
I would say his background and actions since becoming President make him part of and very much for the establishment.
If you are saying he is neutral wrt the establishment then by all means expand on this.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep “Donald, for eight years these guys had Obama in their pocket. They practically ran the administration. They don’t need your help.” The Murdoch called Trump an idiot because he misread the situation. This is the thing, lefties are so busy hating Trump that they didn’t see the bit where Murdoch reveals their hero to be in the pockets of rich people... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/rupert-murdoch-trump-idiot-phone-call-immigrationhttp://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/politics/trump-approval-new-low-history/index.html[50] In the third quarter of 2014, the network was the most-watched cable channel during prime time hours.[51] During the final week of the campaign for the United States elections, 2014, Fox News had the highest ratings of any cable channel, news or otherwise. On election night itself, Fox News' coverage had higher ratings than that of any of the other five cable or network news sources among viewers between 25 and 54 years of age.[52] The network hosted the first prime-time GOP candidates' forum of the 2016 campaign on August 6. The debate reached a record-breaking 24 million viewers, by far the largest audience ever for any cable news event.[53]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News
I don’t recall calling him ‘ anti establishment figure’ But I will accept that I did if you point out the post......
Right so we agree that be isn't an anti-establishment figure? Which means that he is either neutral or ambivalent towards the establishment or pro-establishment yes? I would say his background and actions since becoming President make him part of and very much for the establishment. If you are saying he is neutral wrt the establishment then by all means expand on this.
Nope . You made two claims. One is that Trump claims to be anti establishment...but works with and favours the financial inst.....while claiming that the financial institutions are the establishments. That is pretty much a circular argument I claimed that while financial institutions are part of the establishment the arts ,media and iirc world politicians are the establishment....and these are against him. ( except Fox News ).
Secondly you claimed that Trump is a establishment stooge ...mainly due to your first claim about his relationship with the financial institutions. You also seem to think that his background makes your second claim true.
What I said was never said that the establishment would be to blame. I think you need to define establishment to defend your second point. Trump is being pretty much vilified by the media, arts and much of the mainstream world politics , he is in turn vilifying them in tweets and other ways ie the White House spokesperson ..if you think that the media, arts and much of the mainstream politics are not the establishment then fire away with your evidence. Trump is a maverick who supports the more right wing , less government ,less tax and aggressive foreign policy ( less government is a moot point..Reagan promoted less government while actually getting more control). ..he is considered by many to be a popularist politician.
So you are saying that Trump is an establishment stooge because he is facilitating financial institutions Even though the arts , everyone except Fox News in the Media vilifies him and general world ( including US allies) consensus is negative including his views in AGW and his supposed support of Russia and right wing causes.
Which I say is bollocks.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep “Donald, for eight years these guys had Obama in their pocket. They practically ran the administration. They don’t need your help.” The Murdoch called Trump an idiot because he misread the situation. This is the thing, lefties are so busy hating Trump that they didn’t see the bit where Murdoch reveals their hero to be in the pockets of rich people... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/rupert-murdoch-trump-idiot-phone-call-immigrationhttp://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/politics/trump-approval-new-low-history/index.html[50] In the third quarter of 2014, the network was the most-watched cable channel during prime time hours.[51] During the final week of the campaign for the United States elections, 2014, Fox News had the highest ratings of any cable channel, news or otherwise. On election night itself, Fox News' coverage had higher ratings than that of any of the other five cable or network news sources among viewers between 25 and 54 years of age.[52] The network hosted the first prime-time GOP candidates' forum of the 2016 campaign on August 6. The debate reached a record-breaking 24 million viewers, by far the largest audience ever for any cable news event.[53]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News
Right so we agree that be isn't an anti-establishment figure? Which means that he is either neutral or ambivalent towards the establishment or pro-establishment yes? I would say his background and actions since becoming President make him part of and very much for the establishment. If you are saying he is neutral wrt the establishment then by all means expand on this.
Nope . You made two claims. One is that Trump claims to be anti establishment...but works with and favours the financial inst.....while claiming that the financial institutions are the establishments. That is pretty much a circular argument I claimed that while financial institutions are part of the establishment the arts ,media and iirc world politicians are the establishment....and these are against him. ( except Fox News ). Secondly you claimed that Trump is a establishment stooge ...mainly due to your first claim about his relationship with the financial institutions. You also seem to think that his background makes your second claim true. What I said was never said that the establishment would be to blame. I think you need to define establishment to defend your second point. Trump is being pretty much vilified by the media, arts and much of the mainstream world politics , he is in turn vilifying them in tweets and other ways ie the White House spokesperson ..if you think that the media, arts and much of the mainstream politics are not the establishment then fire away with your evidence. Trump is a maverick who supports the more right wing , less government ,less tax and aggressive foreign policy ( less government is a moot point..Reagan promoted less government while actually getting more control). ..he is considered by many to be a popularist politician. So you are saying that Trump is an establishment stooge because he is facilitating financial institutions Even though the arts , everyone except Fox News in the Media vilifies him and general world ( including US allies) consensus is negative including his views in AGW and his supposed support of Russia and right wing causes. Which I say is bollocks. You have evidence to support your claim that the arts and EVERYONE in the media (Except Fox News) villifies him?
Could I see it please?
Trump himself is a prominent figure in the arts and has the endorsement of a number of celebrities.
Nor is Fox news the only media outlet to support him:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/03/trump-bannon-conservative-media-322620
And my point was never that his collusion with the financial institutions alone made him an establishment stooge. Being cery much of the establishment himself, filling his cabinet with CEOs and billionaires and signing executive orders that favour Wall Street, the wealthy and corporate America, establishing an administration that is of the wealthy and for the wealthy THAT is what makes him an establishment stooge.
You said yourself he favours less government and less tax. Yeah, the wealthy elite hate that sort of thing don't they.
The idea that despite Trump filling his cabinet with the wealthy elite and signing a string of executive orders that directly benefit the wealthy elite Trump isn't pro or of the establishment because the left wing media (What there is of it in the USA) some celebrities and a few other world leaders (Who have little or no influence in Washington and even less in Main Street USA) have said some unflattering things about him? That to me is b*llocks.
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My evidence is that lack of apparent support and the glut of vilification. Name me a working actor or singer or artist who supports him. And now you scrape up Politico as evidence of credible support...what next the Mississippi bugle? Your non point was that collusion with financial institutions make him an establishment stooge...because financial institutions are the establishment...which is bollocks..again
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My evidence is that lack of apparent support and the glut of vilification. Name me a working actor or singer or artist who supports him. And now you scrape up Politico as evidence of credible support...what next the Mississippi bugle? Your non point was that collusion with financial institutions make him an establishment stooge...because financial institutions are the establishment...which is bollocks..again So you have no evidence then?
Other media agencies to have given Trump favourable coverage include CNN, Breitbart, CBS and the National Enquirer.
As to celebrities, Kanye West and Clint Eastwood among others have spoken out in support of Trump:
https://www.amny.com/news/elections/donald-trump-s-celebrity-supporters-actors-athletes-politicians-and-more-1.11807358
And I never said financial institutions are the establishment. I said that Wall Street, Corporate America, billionaires, Murdoch and the other pro-Trump media are combined a big chunk of the establishment who he is walking hand in hand with and that establishing an administration that is run by the wealthy elite for the wealthy elite makes him an establishment stooge.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep “Donald, for eight years these guys had Obama in their pocket. They practically ran the administration. They don’t need your help.” The Murdoch called Trump an idiot because he misread the situation. This is the thing, lefties are so busy hating Trump that they didn’t see the bit where Murdoch reveals their hero to be in the pockets of rich people... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/rupert-murdoch-trump-idiot-phone-call-immigrationhttp://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/politics/trump-approval-new-low-history/index.html[50] In the third quarter of 2014, the network was the most-watched cable channel during prime time hours.[51] During the final week of the campaign for the United States elections, 2014, Fox News had the highest ratings of any cable channel, news or otherwise. On election night itself, Fox News' coverage had higher ratings than that of any of the other five cable or network news sources among viewers between 25 and 54 years of age.[52] The network hosted the first prime-time GOP candidates' forum of the 2016 campaign on August 6. The debate reached a record-breaking 24 million viewers, by far the largest audience ever for any cable news event.[53]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News
I don’t recall calling him ‘ anti establishment figure’ But I will accept that I did if you point out the post......
Right so we agree that be isn't an anti-establishment figure? Which means that he is either neutral or ambivalent towards the establishment or pro-establishment yes? I would say his background and actions since becoming President make him part of and very much for the establishment. If you are saying he is neutral wrt the establishment then by all means expand on this. IIRC, his early election campaigns from state to state promised to "drain the swamp".
Whether or not that can be classified as as "anti establishment" claim in US terms.....I know not.
Suffice to say that I think, that his intentions were to put measures in place whereby the ordinary folks of the USA could partake of some of the wealth by creating more jobs and cutting taxes....he never ever said how he was going to make that happen but it seems to be working.
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My evidence is that lack of apparent support and the glut of vilification. Name me a working actor or singer or artist who supports him. And now you scrape up Politico as evidence of credible support...what next the Mississippi bugle? Your non point was that collusion with financial institutions make him an establishment stooge...because financial institutions are the establishment...which is bollocks..again
So you have no evidence then? Other media agencies to have given Trump favourable coverage include CNN, Breitbart, CBS and the National Enquirer. As to celebrities, Kanye West and Clint Eastwood among others have spoken out in support of Trump: https://www.amny.com/news/elections/donald-trump-s-celebrity-supporters-actors-athletes-politicians-and-more-1.11807358And I never said financial institutions are the establishment. I said that Wall Street, Corporate America, billionaires, Murdoch and the other pro-Trump media are combined a big chunk of the establishment who he is walking hand in hand with and that establishing an administration that is run by the wealthy elite for the wealthy elite makes him an establishment stooge.
I told that the evidence was the lack of support and the glut of vilification. Don’t be even more obtuse than you need to be. Trump villication is the norm and support is not in the arts. https://www.amny.com/news/elections/celebrities-against-donald-trump-1.11550611
http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/g12502906/donald-trump-celebrity-statements/
http://people.com/celebrity/its-that-easy-celebrities-shoe-support-for-nfl-players-protesting-against-trump-with-takeaknee/ http://time.com/4903006/donald-trump-charloteesville-press-conference-celebrity-reaction
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/celebrities-against-donald-trump/17/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2017/07/26/celebrities-rail-against-trumps-proposed-ban-on-transgender-people-in-the-military/?utm_term=.b57c33cc8284
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/02/wyclef-jean-off-message-239049 from Politico ..who you claim supports Trump ffs
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8684320/celebrities-hate-president-trump/
A Guardian article about an artist who makes a victim out of a woman who painted a picture of Trump with a small dick...I wonder how it would support an artist who painted a picture of Hillary with hanging labia..who knows https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/07/donald-trump-penis-painting-ilma-gore
And another from GQ that puts it out for everyone https://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-nude-micropenis-portrait-is-free
Briabart is a far right channel., the national enquirer is like the Sunday sport.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/25/opinions/who-in-world-supports-trump/index.html....CNN doing some Trump bashing.
Why are you posting this misleading crap? You claimed that Trump is an establishment stooge because he has billionaires in his cabinet which makes billionaires the establishment...which is bollocks ( you watered that down to partly establishment ..which doesn’t make it less bollocks)
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep “Donald, for eight years these guys had Obama in their pocket. They practically ran the administration. They don’t need your help.” The Murdoch called Trump an idiot because he misread the situation. This is the thing, lefties are so busy hating Trump that they didn’t see the bit where Murdoch reveals their hero to be in the pockets of rich people... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/rupert-murdoch-trump-idiot-phone-call-immigrationhttp://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/politics/trump-approval-new-low-history/index.html[50] In the third quarter of 2014, the network was the most-watched cable channel during prime time hours.[51] During the final week of the campaign for the United States elections, 2014, Fox News had the highest ratings of any cable channel, news or otherwise. On election night itself, Fox News' coverage had higher ratings than that of any of the other five cable or network news sources among viewers between 25 and 54 years of age.[52] The network hosted the first prime-time GOP candidates' forum of the 2016 campaign on August 6. The debate reached a record-breaking 24 million viewers, by far the largest audience ever for any cable news event.[53]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News
Right so we agree that be isn't an anti-establishment figure? Which means that he is either neutral or ambivalent towards the establishment or pro-establishment yes? I would say his background and actions since becoming President make him part of and very much for the establishment. If you are saying he is neutral wrt the establishment then by all means expand on this.
IIRC, his early election campaigns from state to state promised to "drain the swamp". Whether or not that can be classified as as "anti establishment" claim in US terms.....I know not. Suffice to say that I think, that his intentions were to put measures in place whereby the ordinary folks of the USA could partake of some of the wealth by creating more jobs and cutting taxes....he never ever said how he was going to make that happen but it seems to be working.
Iirc his implication was that the whitehouse was full of self service time servers who are more interested in unisex toilets than real issues such as trying to get people back to work in the US rust belt. There does seem to be healthy employment rates and the stack market is good too. The lefties will say that it was because of something else and not Trumps policies....funny that.
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I never disputed that there are anti-Trump media bodies and celebrities. Clearly there are.
What I disputed was your claim that "everyone except Fox News in the media villifies him". That is the claim I asked you to back up with evidence. It would also only require evidence of just ONE other media outlet other than Fox News to disprove wouldn't it?
And I never said "Trump is an establishment stooge because he has billionaires in his cabinet which makes billionaires the establishment".
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"Wall Street, Corporate America, billionaires, Murdoch and the other pro-Trump media are combined a big chunk of the establishment who he is walking hand in hand with and that establishing an administration that is run by the wealthy elite for the wealthy elite makes him an establishment stooge."
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I never disputed that there are anti-Trump media bodies and celebrities. Clearly there are. What I disputed was your claim that "everyone except Fox News in the media villifies him". That is the claim I asked you to back up with evidence. It would also only require evidence of just ONE other media outlet other than Fox News to disprove wouldn't it? And I never said "Trump is an establishment stooge because he has billionaires in his cabinet which makes billionaires the establishment". I said: "Wall Street, Corporate America, billionaires, Murdoch and the other pro-Trump media are combined a big chunk of the establishment who he is walking hand in hand with and that establishing an administration that is run by the wealthy elite for the wealthy elite makes him an establishment stooge."
ust about everyone but Fox News doesn’t support him. Politico doesn’t, the National enquirer is like the Sunday sport and the claim that CNN support him amounts to an outright lie. I found scores of links to artist hating Trump and you found one. For the last time ..the financial institution are not the establishment. They are part of it ...but..you cannot claim that Trump is an establishment stooge when the arts ,media and general world politics hate him....you are effectively saying that the financial institutions are the establishment....which is bollocks. You can keep repeating this crap if you want but it is simply not true.
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I never disputed that there are anti-Trump media bodies and celebrities. Clearly there are. What I disputed was your claim that "everyone except Fox News in the media villifies him". That is the claim I asked you to back up with evidence. It would also only require evidence of just ONE other media outlet other than Fox News to disprove wouldn't it? And I never said "Trump is an establishment stooge because he has billionaires in his cabinet which makes billionaires the establishment". I said: "Wall Street, Corporate America, billionaires, Murdoch and the other pro-Trump media are combined a big chunk of the establishment who he is walking hand in hand with and that establishing an administration that is run by the wealthy elite for the wealthy elite makes him an establishment stooge."
ust about everyone but Fox News doesn’t support him. Politico doesn’t, the National enquirer is like the Sunday sport and the claim that CNN support him amounts to an outright lie. I found scores of links to artist hating Trump and you found one. For the last time ..the financial institution are not the establishment. They are part of it ...but..you cannot claim that Trump is an establishment stooge when the arts ,media and general world politics hate him....you are effectively saying that the financial institutions are the establishment....which is bollocks. You can keep repeating this crap if you want but it is simply not true. I never said politico supports him, I posted a Politico link which listed pro-Trump media.
Still not seeing proof that every media outlet except Fox News villifies him, don't suppose I ever will will I? And simply naming one other media network, such as Breitbart which you have acknowledged, disproves your claim that Fox News alone supports him.
And for the umpteenth time I have never said that the financial institutions are the establishment. What I have said is:
"Wall Street, Corporate America, billionaires, Murdoch and the other pro-Trump media" are Trump's establishment allies, they certainly represent a far greater chunk of the establishment than the left wing media, limousine liberals and other world leaders who have close to if not zero influence on American domestic politics.
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Oops another so called Trump supporter bites the dust http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/kanye-west-donald-trump-deleted-tweets-president-trump-tower-a7565896.html?amp
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ust about everyone but Fox News doesn’t support him. Politico doesn’t, the National enquirer is like the Sunday sport and the claim that CNN support him amounts to an outright lie. I found scores of links to artist hating Trump and you found one. For the last time ..the financial institution are not the establishment. They are part of it ...but..you cannot claim that Trump is an establishment stooge when the arts ,media and general world politics hate him....you are effectively saying that the financial institutions are the establishment....which is bollocks. You can keep repeating this crap if you want but it is simply not true.
I never said politico supports him, I posted a Politico link which listed pro-Trump media. Still not seeing proof that every media outlet except Fox News villifies him, don't suppose I ever will will I? And simply naming one other media network, such as Breitbart which you have acknowledged, disproves your claim that Fox News alone supports him. And for the umpteenth time I have never said that the financial institutions are the establishment. What I have said is: "Wall Street, Corporate America, billionaires, Murdoch and the other pro-Trump media" are Trump's establishment allies, they certainly represent a far greater chunk of the establishment than the left wing media, limousine liberals and other world leaders who have close to if not zero influence on American domestic politics.
As I said if the Mississippi bugle supported him then you would say he had the support of the media. The fact is that you haven’t found any significant support fromTrump apart from Fox News and there is a good reason for that ..there isn’t any. Posting up lies that CNN supports him or that Briebart does doesn’t alter that.. .there is very little support for Trump in one of the most powerful pillars of the establishment ..the media...except the Mississippi bugle perhaps. For the umpteenth time you have..you claim that because Trump has billionaires in the cabinet and gives tax cuts to financial institutions he is an establishments stooge ..this implies that financial institutions are thevestablishment and ignores everything else. I’m tired of you repeating the same crap again and again and will refer to to this post if you insist on repeating it. You have been caught out ...
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- gansao
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- Happy Hornet
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- Jan 7 2018, 07:24 PM
I never said politico supports him, I posted a Politico link which listed pro-Trump media. Still not seeing proof that every media outlet except Fox News villifies him, don't suppose I ever will will I? And simply naming one other media network, such as Breitbart which you have acknowledged, disproves your claim that Fox News alone supports him. And for the umpteenth time I have never said that the financial institutions are the establishment. What I have said is: "Wall Street, Corporate America, billionaires, Murdoch and the other pro-Trump media" are Trump's establishment allies, they certainly represent a far greater chunk of the establishment than the left wing media, limousine liberals and other world leaders who have close to if not zero influence on American domestic politics.
As I said if the Mississippi bugle supported him then you would say he had the support of the media. The fact is that you haven’t found any significant support fromTrump apart from Fox News and there is a good reason for that ..there isn’t any. Posting up lies that CNN supports him or that Briebart does doesn’t alter that.. .there is very little support for Trump in one of the most powerful pillars of the establishment ..the media...except the Mississippi bugle perhaps. For the umpteenth time you have..you claim that because Trump has billionaires in the cabinet and gives tax cuts to financial institutions he is an establishments stooge ..this implies that financial institutions are thevestablishment and ignores everything else. I’m tired of you repeating the same crap again and again and will refer to to this post if you insist on repeating it. You have been caught out ... Actually the Missipi Bugle would do fine in disputing your claim that only Fox News supports him. Breitbart, American Thinker and Drudge Report would also do. Just one is all that's needed to dispute your everyone but Fox News claim. Seems you have been caught out.
And no, I didn't say. "Trump has billionaires in the cabinet and gives tax cuts to financial institutions he is an establishments stooge". What I said was:
Wall Street, Corporate America, billionaires, Murdoch and the other pro-Trump media" are Trump's establishment allies, they certainly represent a far greater chunk of the establishment than the left wing media, limousine liberals and other world leaders who have close to if not zero influence on American domestic politics."
You realky think that the left wing media is more powerful and influential than Wall Street, Corporate America, the wealthiest individuals and the right wing media combined?
Wow.
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Jan 7 2018, 11:06 PM
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- Happy Hornet
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As I said if the Mississippi bugle supported him then you would say he had the support of the media. The fact is that you haven’t found any significant support fromTrump apart from Fox News and there is a good reason for that ..there isn’t any. Posting up lies that CNN supports him or that Briebart does doesn’t alter that.. .there is very little support for Trump in one of the most powerful pillars of the establishment ..the media...except the Mississippi bugle perhaps. For the umpteenth time you have..you claim that because Trump has billionaires in the cabinet and gives tax cuts to financial institutions he is an establishments stooge ..this implies that financial institutions are thevestablishment and ignores everything else. I’m tired of you repeating the same crap again and again and will refer to to this post if you insist on repeating it. You have been caught out ...
Actually the Missipi Bugle would do fine in disputing your claim that only Fox News supports him. Breitbart, American Thinker and Drudge Report would also do. Just one is all that's needed to dispute your everyone but Fox News claim. Seems you have been caught out. And no, I didn't say. "Trump has billionaires in the cabinet and gives tax cuts to financial institutions he is an establishments stooge". What I said was: Wall Street, Corporate America, billionaires, Murdoch and the other pro-Trump media" are Trump's establishment allies, they certainly represent a far greater chunk of the establishment than the left wing media, limousine liberals and other world leaders who have close to if not zero influence on American domestic politics." You realky think that the left wing media is more powerful and influential than Wall Street, Corporate America, the wealthiest individuals and the right wing media combined? Wow.
To me it is too soon to be making any sort of finite analysis about the Trump administration, though the indications are that he remains (to some degree) mainstream Republican. Another point needed to be made is that both Democrats & Republicans are in essence Establishment, are tied to policies that serve corporate American success/wellbeing. Neither can be thought of as Socialists!
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Jan 7 2018, 11:24 PM
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- Happy Hornet
- Jan 7 2018, 08:21 PM
- gansao
- Jan 7 2018, 08:02 PM
- Happy Hornet
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As I said if the Mississippi bugle supported him then you would say he had the support of the media. The fact is that you haven’t found any significant support fromTrump apart from Fox News and there is a good reason for that ..there isn’t any. Posting up lies that CNN supports him or that Briebart does doesn’t alter that.. .there is very little support for Trump in one of the most powerful pillars of the establishment ..the media...except the Mississippi bugle perhaps. For the umpteenth time you have..you claim that because Trump has billionaires in the cabinet and gives tax cuts to financial institutions he is an establishments stooge ..this implies that financial institutions are thevestablishment and ignores everything else. I’m tired of you repeating the same crap again and again and will refer to to this post if you insist on repeating it. You have been caught out ...
Actually the Missipi Bugle would do fine in disputing your claim that only Fox News supports him. Breitbart, American Thinker and Drudge Report would also do. Just one is all that's needed to dispute your everyone but Fox News claim. Seems you have been caught out. And no, I didn't say. "Trump has billionaires in the cabinet and gives tax cuts to financial institutions he is an establishments stooge". What I said was: Wall Street, Corporate America, billionaires, Murdoch and the other pro-Trump media" are Trump's establishment allies, they certainly represent a far greater chunk of the establishment than the left wing media, limousine liberals and other world leaders who have close to if not zero influence on American domestic politics." You realky think that the left wing media is more powerful and influential than Wall Street, Corporate America, the wealthiest individuals and the right wing media combined? Wow.
Seems you can find any significant media outlet that supports Trump other than Fox News and are desperately trying to save face ,Breitbart...American thinker and Drudge report? You really are reaching the level of the Mississippi bugle and to think I was mocking you ....you lived up to it ...wow! Keep using Trumps association with financial institutions as proof f your claim that he is an establishment stooge ...which means that you are saying that financial institutions are the establishment ...which they are not..wow! See post 2477.
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