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| Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,554 Views) | |
| C-too | Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM Post #1 |
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 8 2018, 05:54 AM Post #2481 |
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As I said the Missisipi Bugle would do fine to counter your "all media excpet Fox News has villified him". The likes of CNN and NBC might not be pro-Trump but they aren't exactly anti-Trump either and are reasonably balanced. And show me one post where I have said that the financial institutions alone are the establishment. Go on, just one to back up this claim you have made repeatedly. What I have said is that his collusion with Wall Street AND (please not the use of the word AND) corporate America, wealthy individuals and the right wing media are proof that Trump is an establishment stooge. And I note you ducked my earlier question, who would you say has more influence in American domestic politics, a combination of Wall Street, corporate America, wealthy individuals and the right wing press led by Murdoch or the anti-Trump media and celebrities and non-American world leaders? You realise that these wealthy companies and individuals can buy and sell media outlets right? |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 8 2018, 05:57 AM Post #2482 |
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Agreed on both points, the two party system makes it all too easy for the establishment to run the system with wealthy individuals and corporations often openly funding both candidates in elections to ensure that whoever wins is beholden to them. |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 12 2018, 08:57 AM Post #2483 |
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So Trump has cancelled his UK visit: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42657954 Naturally he's blaming Obama, although I suspect the real reason is that king snowflake's fragile ego couldn't have handled the inevitable anti-Trump protests. |
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| papasmurf | Jan 12 2018, 09:30 AM Post #2484 |
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Well Donald why people would want to come from their shithole country to your shithole country is a mystery. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42656433 Trump 'in crude Oval Office outburst about migrants' 6 minutes ago US President Donald Trump has reportedly lashed out at immigrants in a foul-mouthed Oval Office outburst. "Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?" |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 13 2018, 01:15 AM Post #2485 |
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Maybe, his handlers were quietly told behind closed doors that there was "no room at the inn" for Trump in the UK at the current time.. Besides, it's hard to get locally grown rotting produce in January. Edited by Curious Cdn, Jan 13 2018, 01:48 AM.
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 10:23 AM Post #2486 |
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I had a rather nice stay in the Dominican Republic a few years ago ( for those who haven’t got a map it is part of an island With Haití) but it was within a complex that was guarded by guys with pick axe handles. Outside of the complex it was certainly a shit hole. Especially in the small villages and along the pot holed roads. So if the Dominican Republic is a shithole then Haití must be. In other news Canadians are insulted by Trump insisting that Canada is ‘ pissing cold ‘. |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 13 2018, 10:45 AM Post #2487 |
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Other world leaders could make some very unflattering observations about the USA, some of which would be hard to dispute. They generally choose not to as far as I can see. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 10:48 AM Post #2488 |
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And your point is....? |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 13 2018, 10:50 AM Post #2489 |
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That Trump's lack of diplomacy could well cause problems for himself and others. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 10:52 AM Post #2490 |
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Wow that was an insight I must have missed ![]() If I said that other presidents have made insulting remarks would it negate Trumps insults? |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 13 2018, 10:54 AM Post #2491 |
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No it wouldn't IMO. Edited by Happy Hornet, Jan 13 2018, 10:55 AM.
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 10:56 AM Post #2492 |
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Yes but you would be condemning one and not the other wouldn’t you?
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 13 2018, 10:59 AM Post #2493 |
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Er, no. If there are other, similar examples they are equally worthy of condemnation and I wouldn't hesitate to do so. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 11:01 AM Post #2494 |
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So you would agree that even if other people do the same we can still look at one side of the argument objectively without citing other people do the very same thing? |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 13 2018, 11:03 AM Post #2495 |
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Yes, one doesn't have to always reference the other side when discussing the faults of others. One doesn't also have to confine the debate to one side or the other either. It should be entirely up to those involved in the discussion IMO. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 11:05 AM Post #2496 |
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Then I suggest you apply this wisdom to the other thread that we are’ debating’. |
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| xosg | Jan 13 2018, 11:07 AM Post #2497 |
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Does'nt that tell you something then,Take heed. It tells me the UK does not want socialism and all its PC trappings as you can see around the world.People are saying what they think now and be damned,not what they are allowed to think. GOOD innit ? eg.TRUMP is reported to have called some places "SHITHOLES" and why shouldn't he, he is correct ? I don't see many holiday bookings for them,do you? |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 13 2018, 11:12 AM Post #2498 |
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I believe I have done exactly that on the other thread. I have chosen to discuss the faults on both sides. If you wish to stick to discussing the faults of just one side that is entirely up to you. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 11:15 AM Post #2499 |
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Then let’s discuss Nixon’s crassness within the context of Trumps crassness shall we? |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 13 2018, 11:15 AM Post #2500 |
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Just because something may have some truth to it doesn't necessarily make it a good idea to say it. It may be true for instance that a work colleague is overweight but calling them a fat b@rstard out loud probably wouldn't be a smart move or helpful to anyone. |
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| Steve K | Jan 13 2018, 11:18 AM Post #2501 |
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It might set them in context but I think you'll struggle to find anything to match the offensive, lie and u-turn ridden intellectual cesspit of the thoughts of Trump. On the matter at hand the countries concerned might indeed be not disimilar from shitholes but we expect decency, leadership and character from the important world leaders not shamelessly stoking up and exploiting racial based hate that he indulged in |
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 11:18 AM Post #2502 |
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That depends on who you tell it too . If you call a work colleague a fat bastard and the person who you tell it to tells the fat bastard then who is wrong ? People use language poorly and crassly all the time. If the person you tell then tells the fat bastard to cause trouble then who is the destructive one? |
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| Steve K | Jan 13 2018, 11:19 AM Post #2503 |
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He's deposed for crimes, publicly shamed, discredited, dead and more importantly so 1973. Is that really the best you have to offer to assess Trump 2018? |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 13 2018, 11:22 AM Post #2504 |
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By all means do so if you think it's relevant. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 11:25 AM Post #2505 |
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How do you know? His insult was leaked from a meeting by a democrat . Obama could have said many derogatory things about the U.K. but his staff and other politicians did not feel the need to take it out of private meetings. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 11:26 AM Post #2506 |
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Well that’s went over your head.... |
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| Steve K | Jan 13 2018, 11:27 AM Post #2507 |
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And you complain of others using strawman arguments Where's that hypocrisy emoji? |
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 11:27 AM Post #2508 |
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It wouldn’t be. ‘Other people do it ‘usually isn’t unless it has a bearing on the point made . |
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| Steve K | Jan 13 2018, 11:28 AM Post #2509 |
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No, your pointless comparison was dismantled Now have you got any real evidenced examples of other relevant US presidents to set Trumps vile verbals in context or not? |
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 11:30 AM Post #2510 |
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You made a specific point in your first sentence. Which I questioned. Where the ‘I don’t understand either what a strawman is or what I previously posted ‘ emoji.? |
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| Affa | Jan 13 2018, 11:30 AM Post #2511 |
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Why he shouldn't is 'diplomacy'. Seeing as how diplomacy has achieved very little over decades, and why these 'shitholes' continue to export their crap ideology, their unwanted people, to the civilised West it would seem that Trump said what they should hear - There will come a time when it has to STOP. For Trump that time is NOW. |
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| C-too | Jan 13 2018, 11:31 AM Post #2512 |
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It tells me how easily misled the electorate is. One doesn't need to become so right-wing in order to avoid left-wing politicians. There is huge scope between the left and right wing of politics for sensible politics and sensible government. Not only a right-wing government brought to power by the lies and misrepresentations of the 1970s, but then went on to lay the foundations of 20 years of high unemployment, and sowed the seeds of our eventual economic downfall in 2008. Trump likes to make a fool of himself, that's it. |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 13 2018, 11:34 AM Post #2513 |
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Ok fine don't talk about it then. |
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| xosg | Jan 13 2018, 11:36 AM Post #2514 |
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Are they SHITHOLES,YES or NO ? Would you like to have a country full of them ? It is not what he said it could have been about anything.it is the fact that he is saying it and fighting the PC culture.Make no mistake whatever happens over there flows right over here eventually.2-5 yrs later. You would think he has committed mass murder the abuse he is getting,all orchestrated by the MSM and deep state. It is not TRUMP you need to worry about,it's his followers 30 odd million who voted for him. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 11:36 AM Post #2515 |
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Trumps language is crass . He could be doing it because he is so stupid that he didn’t think that a Democrat in the meeting would leak it ...or he could be playing to his supporters. You choose.. |
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| xosg | Jan 13 2018, 11:39 AM Post #2516 |
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Exactly I agree it is diplomacy and you are right. They are exporting their crap all over the world especially to the states and he is right.They have had enough and it is being called out and needs to stop. Afterall their not sending their best and brightest are they ? What idiot unless there was an agenda behind it would open his door to people like that ? |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 13 2018, 11:41 AM Post #2517 |
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What good will be achieved from the US President being abusive? |
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| xosg | Jan 13 2018, 11:42 AM Post #2518 |
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That is your opinion and your welcome to it. But Trump is fighting on all fronts and he will win. You say there is a big gap left in the middle of politics,you would think with all our brightest minds someone would exploit that,and they have'nt |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 13 2018, 11:44 AM Post #2519 |
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I agree it's crass. I think that most of us have to moderate our behaviour and language at work to some extent for the sake of professionalism and cohesion. I also think that the leader of the free world should be setting an example in this respect. |
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| xosg | Jan 13 2018, 11:45 AM Post #2520 |
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He is not abusive,he is telling it how it is. Are you not a fan of the truth ? As AFFA said diplomacy has been used for years and it doesn't work with the uneducated.Time to call a spade a spade so to speak (no pun intended) and a different approach is needed. |
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