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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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He is not abusive,he is telling it how it is. Are you not a fan of the truth ?

As AFFA said diplomacy has been used for years and it doesn't work with the uneducated.Time to call a spade a spade so to speak (no pun intended) and a different approach is needed.
I refer you to my earlier point.

If a work colleague is truly overweight should I call them a fat b@rstard to their face? Or would it be better for all concerned for me to exercise a bit of diplomacy?
That work colleague saying anything to him/her is on a personal level and some would say to highlight it may be a bad thing,some would say a bad thing all opinions.However,when a POTUS says something like that it is because it is affecting a whole country and it's people and has very dire consequences on a DAILY basis,with other peoples lives. However your fat analogy is affecting no one only themselves.

PS Were is MS13 from ?

Their time is over,being rounded up in their thousands as we speak.Is that what you want all for the sake of PC ?
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It tells me how easily misled the electorate is. One doesn't need to become so right-wing in order to avoid left-wing politicians. There is huge scope between the left and right wing of politics for sensible politics and sensible government.

Not only a right-wing government brought to power by the lies and misrepresentations of the 1970s, but then went on to lay the foundations of 20 years of high unemployment, and sowed the seeds of our eventual economic downfall in 2008.

Trump likes to make a fool of himself, that's it.
That is your opinion and your welcome to it. But Trump is fighting on all fronts and he will win. You say there is a big gap left in the middle of politics,you would think with all our brightest minds someone would exploit that,and they have'nt
No one from the centre of politics has done as much social and economic damage to the UK than Thatcher. She put her ideological extremism before the needs of the country.

I honestly would not be surprised if Trump ended up in a straight jacket.
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What good will be achieved from the US President being abusive?
He is not abusive,he is telling it how it is. Are you not a fan of the truth ?

As AFFA said diplomacy has been used for years and it doesn't work with the uneducated.Time to call a spade a spade so to speak (no pun intended) and a different approach is needed.
One can be truthful and solve problems without being abusive.

Personally I've never known a problem to be solved by foul mouthed name calling. I've seen many a problem made worse by it mind.
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He is not abusive,he is telling it how it is. Are you not a fan of the truth ?

As AFFA said diplomacy has been used for years and it doesn't work with the uneducated.Time to call a spade a spade so to speak (no pun intended) and a different approach is needed.
One can be truthful and solve problems without being abusive.

Personally I've never known a problem to be solved by foul mouthed name calling. I've seen many a problem made worse by it mind.
In what way can Haiti or El salvadore make things worse for America ?

the only ones making a big deal out of this are the typical LEFT (as usual) and MSM no one else.
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Trumps language is crass .
He could be doing it because he is so stupid that he didn’t think that a Democrat in the meeting would leak it ...or he could be playing to his supporters.
You choose..
I agree it's crass.

I think that most of us have to moderate our behaviour and language at work to some extent for the sake of professionalism and cohesion.

I also think that the leader of the free world should be setting an example in this respect.


I think the leader of the free world should not have to limit his rhetoric in private meetings.
But I still wonder whether this was something other than a unguarded outburst from an unstable leader or something more deliberate.
Also I repeat that in the case of Haiti he was probably right and in the case of wanting Norwegians over Haitians ...he was probably correct too.
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One can be truthful and solve problems without being abusive.

Personally I've never known a problem to be solved by foul mouthed name calling. I've seen many a problem made worse by it mind.
In what way can Haiti or El salvadore make things worse for America ?

the only ones making a big deal out of this are the typical LEFT (as usual) and MSM no one else.
One day the USA may need help or co-operation from one of these "shithole" countries with say intelligence in the whereabouts of a terrorist subject or a neighbouring country. Can't imagine it will be forthcoming while Trump is in charge.
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Well Trump himself denies making the "shithole" comment.

http://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/donald-trump-tweet-daca-rejection/index.html

So it appears he agrees with me on this one.
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Well Trump himself denies making the "shithole" comment.

http://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/donald-trump-tweet-daca-rejection/index.html

So it appears he agrees with me on this one.
It's not that he agrees with you.It is the fact that he most probably never said it,and is just reiterating it.I mean anonymous sources get real.By that standard you can state anything about anybody and we know how the MSM just love him.
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Well Trump himself denies making the "shithole" comment.

http://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/donald-trump-tweet-daca-rejection/index.html

So it appears he agrees with me on this one.
It's not that he agrees with you.It is the fact that he most probably never said it,and is just reiterating it.I mean anonymous sources get real.By that standard you can state anything about anybody and we know how the MSM just love him.
Right so he didn't say it and doesn't want people to think that he did.

Which would suggest would it not that he agrees that it would not be right for him to say such a thing?
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
The Russians been hacking for years all of a sudden it's a big thing.I don't think the US can be the arbitrators of democracy when all they do is interfere in most elections around the world. Besides i would be more concerned about china than Russia
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Well Trump himself denies making the "shithole" comment.

http://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/donald-trump-tweet-daca-rejection/index.html

So it appears he agrees with me on this one.
It's not that he agrees with you.It is the fact that he most probably never said it,and is just reiterating it.I mean anonymous sources get real.By that standard you can state anything about anybody and we know how the MSM just love him.
Right so he didn't say it and doesn't want people to think that he did.

Which would suggest would it not that he agrees that it would not be right for him to say such a thing?
"Right" you say,in who's opinion would that be then. His supporters, yours,The Left,MSM,or people with an interest in getting him out. What "RIGHT" would that be ?

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Right so he didn't say it and doesn't want people to think that he did.

Which would suggest would it not that he agrees that it would not be right for him to say such a thing?
"Right" you say,in who's opinion would that be then. His supporters, yours,The Left,MSM,or people with an interest in getting him out. What "RIGHT" would that be ?

No, I said as in "right then", as a clarification not a moral judgement.
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"Right" you say,in who's opinion would that be then. His supporters, yours,The Left,MSM,or people with an interest in getting him out. What "RIGHT" would that be ?

No, I said as in "right then", as a clarification not a moral judgement.
Okie dokie my misunderstanding sorry
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Just for fun why not look up the history of the US interventions in both Haiti and ( especially) El Salvador. You might find out why both they and most of Central America are shitholes.
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Just for fun why not look up the history of the US interventions in both Haiti and ( especially) El Salvador. You might find out why both they and most of Central America are shitholes.
Sadly true
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One can be truthful and solve problems without being abusive.

Personally I've never known a problem to be solved by foul mouthed name calling. I've seen many a problem made worse by it mind.
In what way can Haiti or El salvadore make things worse for America ?

the only ones making a big deal out of this are the typical LEFT (as usual) and MSM no one else.


Good point. The Democrat who leaked Trumps use of derogatory rhetoric must be aware of the harm that this would do to the US but still leaked it.
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election.

No influence on the outcome because he says so !jk! IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
The Russians been hacking for years all of a sudden it's a big thing.I don't think the US can be the arbitrators of democracy when all they do is interfere in most elections around the world. Besides i would be more concerned about china than Russia


Strange how sensitive the US is about foreign interference in other countries political affairs when only a few years ago they supported a democratically elected head of state get booted out in Ukraine and gave so much support to Chile’s Pinochet plus so many other Dictators. As well as these... https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections

Now don’t get me wrong. That doesn’t excuse Russia in meddling in US affairs but Russia has stated that the West has an agenda of boxing Russia in and reducing its sphere of influence...something the US would not tolerate.
The US have the right to complain and react against any action from Russia that they think is a threat but have no right to complain that meddling in other countries affairs is wrong in principle.
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In what way can Haiti or El salvadore make things worse for America ?

the only ones making a big deal out of this are the typical LEFT (as usual) and MSM no one else.


Good point. The Democrat who leaked Trumps use of derogatory rhetoric must be aware of the harm that this would do to the US but still leaked it.
I believe it was leaked from a meeting in the white house,after democrats were told there would be no more chain migration and an end to the visa lottery. Does not take a genius to work it out. Yet the MSM,Dems and every other do gooder just loves to hate good ol POTUS.

They have tried everything from " Fusion GPS" (now backfiring big style) To Charlottesville,To dementia, To the 25th amendment, there will be something else concocted next. I don't know whether you know,i follow American politics obsessively out of the 25 deep state operatives recognised by the Trump admin left behind by the Clintons and obamas including FBI officials nineteen have now gone.Muller being the top one,who when his farce of an investigation goes nowhere,so will he,number 20.

So the left can bleat away and bemoan as much as they like,while he steadily chips away from indoors so to speak.The nail in the coffin will be the Clintons of course.
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One can be truthful and solve problems without being abusive.

Personally I've never known a problem to be solved by foul mouthed name calling. I've seen many a problem made worse by it mind.

Such language does have a impact that no amount of literature skill can convey.
Trump is unambiguous, there is no doubting his meaning. The effect is to establish in minds that this cannot continue - it will grow, gain support, and eventually the educated class will agree that 'it cannot continue'.
Only then can it be stopped!
And when it does Trump will be honoured!
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Good point. The Democrat who leaked Trumps use of derogatory rhetoric must be aware of the harm that this would do to the US but still leaked it.
I believe it was leaked from a meeting in the white house,after democrats were told there would be no more chain migration and an end to the visa lottery. Does not take a genius to work it out. Yet the MSM,Dems and every other do gooder just loves to hate good ol POTUS.

They have tried everything from " Fusion GPS" (now backfiring big style) To Charlottesville,To dementia, To the 25th amendment, there will be something else concocted next. I don't know whether you know,i follow American politics obsessively out of the 25 deep state operatives recognised by the Trump admin left behind by the Clintons and obamas including FBI officials nineteen have now gone.Muller being the top one,who when his farce of an investigation goes nowhere,so will he,number 20.

So the left can bleat away and bemoan as much as they like,while he steadily chips away from indoors so to speak.The nail in the coffin will be the Clintons of course.


Well there could be an ‘accusation fatigue ‘ whereas the populace get fed up with the relentless accusations after a while. The problem with all of this effort to link Trump with every vice and mental illness known to man is that it could make him stronger and the lefties look ineffective.
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I believe it was leaked from a meeting in the white house,after democrats were told there would be no more chain migration and an end to the visa lottery. Does not take a genius to work it out. Yet the MSM,Dems and every other do gooder just loves to hate good ol POTUS.

They have tried everything from " Fusion GPS" (now backfiring big style) To Charlottesville,To dementia, To the 25th amendment, there will be something else concocted next. I don't know whether you know,i follow American politics obsessively out of the 25 deep state operatives recognised by the Trump admin left behind by the Clintons and obamas including FBI officials nineteen have now gone.Muller being the top one,who when his farce of an investigation goes nowhere,so will he,number 20.

So the left can bleat away and bemoan as much as they like,while he steadily chips away from indoors so to speak.The nail in the coffin will be the Clintons of course.


Well there could be an ‘accusation fatigue ‘ whereas the populace get fed up with the relentless accusations after a while. The problem with all of this effort to link Trump with every vice and mental illness known to man is that it could make him stronger and the lefties look ineffective.
It certainly makes him look stronger with the 25% of America that are toothless, bible-thumping hillbillies. The rest if them are deeply embarrassed.
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In what way can Haiti or El salvadore make things worse for America ?

the only ones making a big deal out of this are the typical LEFT (as usual) and MSM no one else.


Good point. The Democrat who leaked Trumps use of derogatory rhetoric must be aware of the harm that this would do to the US but still leaked it.
That's a parallel to those who knew what Saville was doing but didn't leak it because of the harm it would do to the BBC . . .

. . . in the short term but of course the long term harm of that silence has been massive

Same applies here. Trump's way too late denial betrays that (a) he actually said it and (b) he now knows it is prejudicial to the longer term US interests

He's probably well aware that everyone will still think he said it and that will make him look good to so many of those that voted for him (see CC's summary of their qualities)

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One can be truthful and solve problems without being abusive.

Personally I've never known a problem to be solved by foul mouthed name calling. I've seen many a problem made worse by it mind.

Such language does have a impact that no amount of literature skill can convey.
Trump is unambiguous, there is no doubting his meaning. The effect is to establish in minds that this cannot continue - it will grow, gain support, and eventually the educated class will agree that 'it cannot continue'.
Only then can it be stopped!
And when it does Trump will be honoured!
That is exactly right.He is trying to do what the left have done for the last 60 years,and he will succeed.Of course they will fight scheme and concoct every trick in the book to preserve their PC culture,but to no avail. When they see the triumphs of the next 8 years and i believe he will be voted in again. I have no doubt another similar to Trump will be elected.
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Good point. The Democrat who leaked Trumps use of derogatory rhetoric must be aware of the harm that this would do to the US but still leaked it.
That's a parallel to those who knew what Saville was doing but didn't leak it because of the harm it would do to the BBC . . .

. . . in the short term but of course the long term harm of that silence has been massive

Same applies here. Trump's way too late denial betrays that (a) he actually said it and (b) he now knows it is prejudicial to the longer term US interests

He's probably well aware that everyone will still think he said it and that will make him look good to so many of those that voted for him (see CC's summary of their qualities)



There is no parallel whatsoever. The problem with Saville was not his rhetoric.
If we look beyond the rhetoric of a Trump then he makes a fair point Haiti and El Salvador are shitholes and I would think that even the UK a Norwegian would probably be higher educated than a bloke from Haiti.
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Well there could be an ‘accusation fatigue ‘ whereas the populace get fed up with the relentless accusations after a while. The problem with all of this effort to link Trump with every vice and mental illness known to man is that it could make him stronger and the lefties look ineffective.
It certainly makes him look stronger with the 25% of America that are toothless, bible-thumping hillbillies. The rest if them are deeply embarrassed.
Well those toothless hillbillies as you called them put him in power along with the bible belt.A belief that has been berated and scolded for the last 40/50 years.the worm always turns.Look at you lot giving 10m dollars to a terrorist,talk about PC gone fookin mad,you have no room to talk.Judge the actions of your own left wing PC hugging PM who the Canadian people put into power,says a lot about you lot and were you stand
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Well there could be an ‘accusation fatigue ‘ whereas the populace get fed up with the relentless accusations after a while. The problem with all of this effort to link Trump with every vice and mental illness known to man is that it could make him stronger and the lefties look ineffective.
It certainly makes him look stronger with the 25% of America that are toothless, bible-thumping hillbillies. The rest if them are deeply embarrassed.


I think you need to read Shappis article on the other thread and adapt it to your needs
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That's a parallel to those who knew what Saville was doing but didn't leak it because of the harm it would do to the BBC . . .

. . . in the short term but of course the long term harm of that silence has been massive

Same applies here. Trump's way too late denial betrays that (a) he actually said it and (b) he now knows it is prejudicial to the longer term US interests

He's probably well aware that everyone will still think he said it and that will make him look good to so many of those that voted for him (see CC's summary of their qualities)



There is no parallel whatsoever. The problem with Saville was not his rhetoric.
If we look beyond the rhetoric of a Trump then he makes a fair point Haiti and El Salvador are shitholes and I would think that even the UK a Norwegian would probably be higher educated than a bloke from Haiti.
But even if that is true it is wrong to use a selective truth in a racist way

And in the longer term dumb. The USA will sooner or later realise it needs international friends in the more advanced countries and nothing short of removing this evil oaf from office soon will preserve those friendships




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There is no parallel whatsoever. The problem with Saville was not his rhetoric.
If we look beyond the rhetoric of a Trump then he makes a fair point Haiti and El Salvador are shitholes and I would think that even the UK a Norwegian would probably be higher educated than a bloke from Haiti.
But even if that is true it is wrong to use a selective truth in a racist way

And in the longer term dumb. The USA will sooner or later realise it needs international friends in the more advanced countries and nothing short of removing this evil oaf from office soon will preserve those friendships






I don’t think that there is any evidence that previous presidents or future ones did or will have a higher opinion of the countries Trump referred to than Trump himself. In fact history would dispute it.
Trump used offensive rhetoric..for that part I say ffs get over it.
As for supporting from other countries..the US has always used its military and economic power as the use of it for foreign policy ..nothing has changed....just the president ..in that regard there will be lots of tutting and nothing else.
If Trump is even moderately successful in his first term then I think you may have a second term.
Americans do not give a shit what the mayor of London or even the African Union thinks ...the same African Union who lionises Mugabe iirc.
As for racism ..Haiti is a shithole , it wouldn’t matter if it were populated by white skinned blondes it would still be a shithole...but it’s not populated by white skinned blondes is it?
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But even if that is true it is wrong to use a selective truth in a racist way

And in the longer term dumb. The USA will sooner or later realise it needs international friends in the more advanced countries and nothing short of removing this evil oaf from office soon will preserve those friendships






I don’t think that there is any evidence that previous presidents or future ones did or will have a higher opinion of the countries Trump referred to than Trump himself. In fact history would dispute it.
Trump used offensive rhetoric..for that part I say ffs get over it.
As for supporting from other countries..the US has always used its military and economic power as the use of it for foreign policy ..nothing has changed....just the president ..in that regard there will be lots of tutting and nothing else.
If Trump is even moderately successful in his first term then I think you may have a second term.
Americans do not give a shit what the mayor of London or even the African Union thinks ...the same African Union who lionises Mugabe iirc.
Most Americans don't give a shit what people in the next county think.

But the USA cannot thrive in isolation and when eventually no G20 leaders want to be associated too closely with the USA they will suffer (and still blame the people in the next county)
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There is no parallel whatsoever. The problem with Saville was not his rhetoric.
If we look beyond the rhetoric of a Trump then he makes a fair point Haiti and El Salvador are shitholes and I would think that even the UK a Norwegian would probably be higher educated than a bloke from Haiti.
But even if that is true it is wrong to use a selective truth in a racist way

And in the longer term dumb. The USA will sooner or later realise it needs international friends in the more advanced countries and nothing short of removing this evil oaf from office soon will preserve those friendships




When the USA come a knockin people open doors.Forget all the chest beating and the rhetoric.

Why is it Racist ?

If he said it about Britain,would that be Racist ?

The fact that it happens to be brown skinned nations is a FACT,it has nothing to do with Racism ?

To try and pass it of as Racist,says more about the mindset of his accusers,than himself.

If speaking the truth is no defence anymore,were all fooked. As I said, it is all changing for the better in my opinion.

I bet deep down you agree with him. Have you booked your hols for this year ? Bet it's neither of them.
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I don’t think that there is any evidence that previous presidents or future ones did or will have a higher opinion of the countries Trump referred to than Trump himself. In fact history would dispute it.
Trump used offensive rhetoric..for that part I say ffs get over it.
As for supporting from other countries..the US has always used its military and economic power as the use of it for foreign policy ..nothing has changed....just the president ..in that regard there will be lots of tutting and nothing else.
If Trump is even moderately successful in his first term then I think you may have a second term.
Americans do not give a shit what the mayor of London or even the African Union thinks ...the same African Union who lionises Mugabe iirc.
Most Americans don't give a shit what people in the next county think.

But the USA cannot thrive in isolation and when eventually no G20 leaders want to be associated too closely with the USA they will suffer (and still blame the people in the next county)
Indeed, even the most powerful countries need allies.
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Most Americans don't give a shit what people in the next county think.

But the USA cannot thrive in isolation and when eventually no G20 leaders want to be associated too closely with the USA they will suffer (and still blame the people in the next county)
Indeed, even the most powerful countries need allies.
And they still will.As i said forget all the chest beating and bravado,when they come a knockin doors open. As gansao said ffs get over it.
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It certainly makes him look stronger with the 25% of America that are toothless, bible-thumping hillbillies. The rest if them are deeply embarrassed.
Well those toothless hillbillies as you called them put him in power along with the bible belt.A belief that has been berated and scolded for the last 40/50 years.the worm always turns.Look at you lot giving 10m dollars to a terrorist,talk about PC gone fookin mad,you have no room to talk.Judge the actions of your own left wing PC hugging PM who the Canadian people put into power,says a lot about you lot and were you stand
Well,very few of us are thrilled about compensation being paid to dodgy Middie Easterners but the reason that it is happening is that it is totally illegal, in this country, to hand over our citizens to be tortured. That is probably not so in your Kingdom. though.
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Most Americans don't give a shit what people in the next county think.

But the USA cannot thrive in isolation and when eventually no G20 leaders want to be associated too closely with the USA they will suffer (and still blame the people in the next county)
Indeed, even the most powerful countries need allies.


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I don’t think that there is any evidence that previous presidents or future ones did or will have a higher opinion of the countries Trump referred to than Trump himself. In fact history would dispute it.
Trump used offensive rhetoric..for that part I say ffs get over it.
As for supporting from other countries..the US has always used its military and economic power as the use of it for foreign policy ..nothing has changed....just the president ..in that regard there will be lots of tutting and nothing else.
If Trump is even moderately successful in his first term then I think you may have a second term.
Americans do not give a shit what the mayor of London or even the African Union thinks ...the same African Union who lionises Mugabe iirc.
Most Americans don't give a shit what people in the next county think.

But the USA cannot thrive in isolation and when eventually no G20 leaders want to be associated too closely with the USA they will suffer (and still blame the people in the next county)


They won’t suffer because the president is rude..don’t be silly.
They won’t suffer because the president is taking a hard line on NK or wants to limit immigration.
What we have is a stream of Liberals squawking at the temerity of the POTUS saying things directly to the public ( either by tweet or leak) that a lot of ordinary people think.
This will not affect the influence of the US one iota.
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Indeed, even the most powerful countries need allies.
And they still will.As i said forget all the chest beating and bravado,when they come a knockin doors open. As gansao said ffs get over it.
Imagine an Afghanistan style military operation carried out against a country harbouring a terrorist organisation which had carried out a major terrorist attack on US soil.

Now imagine all the neighbouring countries, whose cooperation is required, had been dismissed by Trump as "shithole" countries.

Problematic yes?
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And they still will.As i said forget all the chest beating and bravado,when they come a knockin doors open. As gansao said ffs get over it.
Imagine an Afghanistan style military operation carried out against a country harbouring a terrorist organisation which had carried out a major terrorist attack on US soil.

Now imagine all the neighbouring countries, whose cooperation is required, had been dismissed by Trump as "shithole" countries.

Problematic yes?


Now imagine a president calling a few countries shitholes that he wants nothing to do with and not calling countries shitholes that he does want something to do with.
Imagine all the countries that he didn’t insult not giving a shit.
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Well those toothless hillbillies as you called them put him in power along with the bible belt.A belief that has been berated and scolded for the last 40/50 years.the worm always turns.Look at you lot giving 10m dollars to a terrorist,talk about PC gone fookin mad,you have no room to talk.Judge the actions of your own left wing PC hugging PM who the Canadian people put into power,says a lot about you lot and were you stand
Well,very few of us are thrilled about compensation being paid to dodgy Middie Easterners but the reason that it is happening is that it is totally illegal, in this country, to hand over our citizens to be tortured. That is probably not so in your Kingdom. though.
You can pass it of and dress it up as much as you like. You gave 10 million dollars to a terrorist,pissing on the souls and families of those men and women in the ground,which the fookin scum bag helped to put there. You are to blame as a nation collectively and you can justify all you want,it don't wash here.

Same with my own country this PC bullshit of, we can't take his citizenship away,why not ?

Because of Human Rights. Fook Human Rights, once he picked up a weapon he aint got any.

Human Rights has been developed to help the downtrodden poor, dispossessed and needy. NOT TO BE FOOKIN ABUSED BY SCUMBAGS which the left defend,not the right ,the left.
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Imagine an Afghanistan style military operation carried out against a country harbouring a terrorist organisation which had carried out a major terrorist attack on US soil.

Now imagine all the neighbouring countries, whose cooperation is required, had been dismissed by Trump as "shithole" countries.

Problematic yes?


Now imagine a president calling a few countries shitholes that he wants nothing to do with and not calling countries shitholes that he does want something to do with.
Imagine all the countries that he didn’t insult not giving a shit.
Yes but you never know when you might need the cooperation of said "shithole" countries, that's my point.
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Now imagine a president calling a few countries shitholes that he wants nothing to do with and not calling countries shitholes that he does want something to do with.
Imagine all the countries that he didn’t insult not giving a shit.
Yes but you never know when you might need the cooperation of said "shithole" countries, that's my point.


Yes but Trump has selected countries that he doesn’t need..that’s my point.
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Yes but you never know when you might need the cooperation of said "shithole" countries, that's my point.


Yes but Trump has selected countries that he doesn’t need..
At the moment......

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