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| Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,552 Views) | |
| C-too | Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM Post #1 |
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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| xosg | Jan 13 2018, 03:33 PM Post #2561 |
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Have you ever heard the term. " "Some people say if fascism ever comes back to these shores it will come in the name of liberalism." How very true |
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 03:36 PM Post #2562 |
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Ever. |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 13 2018, 04:12 PM Post #2563 |
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Impossible to say for certain. Even the poorest country can be a help or hindrance in the right circumstances. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 04:24 PM Post #2564 |
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So your foreign policy would be not to say anything derogatory about any country ,no matter how small or shitty because one day it a help or hindrance..interesting. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 04:28 PM Post #2565 |
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To be sure, Americans understand that their presidents are very human and can speak in familiar ways when they are in private. They curse, they scream, they yell and sometimes they say mean things. Speaking to a military adviser, President Lyndon Johnson called Vietnam a "little pissant country" and in racist phone conversations he can be heard uttering racist rhetoric. The architect of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965 was not shy about using the "N Word" when talking with southerners, or comparing African-Americans to ungrateful children after the riots of 1965 and 1967. Following the Watts riots in 1965, Johnson complained to the president of the Steelworkers Union that African Americans had to learn they have "obligations as well as rights." They needed to be more "responsible." Much of his daily conversation was too R-rated for children. "I do know the difference between chicken shit and chicken salad," he reportedly said. Baby Boomers will remember just how shocked they were during the Watergate investigation to learn through the transcripts of the White House recordings that President Richard Nixon swore, personally insulted his enemies, and used anti-Semitic language behind closed doors. Nixon referred to Henry Kissinger as "Jew-boy." Foul language in the White House didn't end there. Talking about a primary challenge from Sen.Ted Kennedy, President Carter famously told a group of legislators that he would "whip his ass" while President Clinton was famous for his curse-filled tirades in private meetings But even after the famous "expletives-deleted" transcripts from the Nixon investigation, the country expected that, in public and in formal political events, presidents would abide by a certain level of decorum and refrain from using harsh expletives. Sure, some presidents were caught cussing on a hot mic (such as when George W. Bush was heard calling reporter Adam Clymer a "major league asshole"), but those were exceptions. http://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/13/opinions/trump-comment-and-our-tolerance-zelizer-opinion/index.html |
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| Steve K | Jan 13 2018, 04:57 PM Post #2566 |
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How irrelevant ^ |
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| Steve K | Jan 13 2018, 05:01 PM Post #2567 |
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But while we're delving into history, once upon a time the USA couldn't care too much about Cuba, then suddenly it was pooing itself over what other countries were doing on Cuban soil The fact Trump's supporters are ignoring is whether Trump needs those 'shithole' countries isn't the relevant point. What is relevant is he needs countries with the mindset of Norway (that he praised) who won't want to cross the road to help a USA led by such an offensive immoral git. Not everyone is as self centred as he is, most countries with the support of their populations still act altruistically to support these so called 'shitholes' |
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 13 2018, 05:47 PM Post #2568 |
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My policy would be not to needlessly insult other countries, especially when unprovoked. |
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| Affa | Jan 13 2018, 06:51 PM Post #2569 |
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Altruism? What altruism do many of this disparaged nations show? There must be a point at which altruism is both pointless and avoidable. North Korea for example? Sure the populous of NK are suffering and an helping hand to those victims of the State would be desirable, but there is no desire to offer the Sate of NK itself any sort of hand up - the opposite - they get sanctions instead. Relate this to what trump said. All he has done is identify more countries where 'help' is refused. Edited by Affa, Jan 13 2018, 06:51 PM.
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| Rich | Jan 13 2018, 06:56 PM Post #2570 |
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As I have said before, far worse human beings have been invited to this country and have had state banquets in their "honour".....the precedent has already been set, we should remember that we are inviting the office of the most powerful man in the world and not the man himself which on another day may have been a woman. |
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| Tigger | Jan 13 2018, 07:01 PM Post #2571 |
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Trump does this because the freaky degenerate knuckle dragging inbred right wing fruit cake racist bigoted gun nuts like to see him attacking people even lower down the social order than they are, it makes them feel he's on their side. And it was nice to see some freaky degenerate knuckle dragging inbred right wing fruit cake bigoted gun nuts attempt to carry out a citizens arrest on London mayor Saddiq Khan today, apparently insulting the POTUS is a criminal offence in their opinion! 'Kin right wing snowflakes, grow a pair you faggots! Edited by Tigger, Jan 13 2018, 07:02 PM.
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| xosg | Jan 13 2018, 08:34 PM Post #2572 |
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But while we're delving into history, once upon a time the USA couldn't care too much about Cuba, then suddenly it was pooing itself over what other countries were doing on Cuban soil Not for the love of it,because of the strategic importance.They could not give a shit about Cuba per se. |
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| xosg | Jan 13 2018, 08:40 PM Post #2573 |
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Do these left wing fookin idiots know what their doing when they campaign to ban the POTUS. The mayor of London Khan,a fookin islamist in everything but name running London into the ground. Don't know about other countries being shitholes London certainly is. The acid capital of the world,knife crime soaring through the roof,lets raise a glass for the fortunes of multiculturism |
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| Tigger | Jan 13 2018, 09:24 PM Post #2574 |
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Trump shames the the very title of The President of The United States of America. All normal people both here and in America understand that, respect the office but not the man. |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 13 2018, 09:25 PM Post #2575 |
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Cuba is to the Florida Keys as the Past de Calais is to Dover. You can almost see Cuba from Florida and when they suddenly had nuclear weapons, there pointed at the American heartland ... I seem to recall a time when foreigners occupying the Pas de Calais had you people pooing yourselves, too. Edited by Curious Cdn, Jan 13 2018, 09:26 PM.
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| xosg | Jan 13 2018, 09:51 PM Post #2576 |
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Yes but you know what,we stood ALONE for 3 years against the mightiest military regime in the world.More than the rest of Europe put together did. |
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| Tigger | Jan 13 2018, 10:14 PM Post #2577 |
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Oh look it's the war again!
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| Deleted User | Jan 13 2018, 11:05 PM Post #2578 |
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The Royal Navy and Air Force meant that we didn’t need to poo ourselves. Iirc some hicks from the colonies helped out too. They probably pooed themselves . |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 14 2018, 12:44 AM Post #2579 |
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Yeah, those were the good, old days! Canadians watched it all from afar, betting on the outcome. They heard that something was happening "over there" but it didn't cause much excitement. Edited by Curious Cdn, Jan 14 2018, 12:45 AM.
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 14 2018, 06:11 AM Post #2580 |
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He was democratically elected by the people of London. Remind again what you say about anyone who challenges the will of the people. |
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| Steve K | Jan 14 2018, 10:38 AM Post #2581 |
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I hate to think what school you learnt your history in[Cleese style] so apart from Australians, Canadians, Indians, what are now Pakistanis, South Africans, ex pat Europeans and lastly Russians (remember Stalingrad?) and Americans (esp the massive sacrifices of the USAF) what else did nations of the world do in opposing Germany in the 3 years from Dunkerque? Here have an easy to read guide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 16 2018, 01:07 AM Post #2582 |
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Here is Canadian take on the current US-UK relationship if anyone is interested. http://www.macleans.ca/politics/worldpolitics/donald-trump-wanted-america-first-he-got-america-alone/ |
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| Steve K | Jan 16 2018, 08:55 AM Post #2583 |
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Good read making good points - thanks Thought this was a telling snippet: "not only is the president highly unpopular, but he is not especially useful" |
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| Affa | Jan 16 2018, 04:51 PM Post #2584 |
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He is not, but his office is - President. And he does have a use, is used! As a front for those behind his rise to power that can be discarded when he has facilitated their objectives. At home he has already delivered something with his tax cuts. Abroad he has re-positioned the nation (USA) breaking treaties and moral obligations arising from HR. He has stirred up Nationalism whilst not being in economic terms nationalistic. Where this leads to is as yet unclear, but there is a sea change. Edited by Affa, Jan 16 2018, 04:51 PM.
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| Happy Hornet | Jan 20 2018, 08:19 AM Post #2585 |
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US government shut down begins: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42757091 According to king snowflake it's disgraceful that the Democrats are doing the exact same thing the Republicans did during the Obama administration and twice under Clinton. Oh, when it happened on Obama's watch the buck stopped with him. This time of course it's everyone but the president who is to blame. Covfefe. |
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| Steve K | Jan 20 2018, 11:15 AM Post #2586 |
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This shutdown could actually backfire against the Democrats and boost Trump as it's Democrat voters most hurt by it. And of course Trump's buddies will just love less state monitoring of their activities. |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 20 2018, 01:21 PM Post #2587 |
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That is a danger and the Democrats must be acutely aware of it. This American thing where they tack secondary (and often irrelevant) legislation on to the main bill and you have to take it all or leave it all when you vote keeps causing major problems, down there. By the way, the American system of governance sucks big purple monkey gonads. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 21 2018, 12:21 PM Post #2588 |
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How so? Previous presidents have Used the same crass and insulting language as Trump and to point this out is irrelevant? |
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| Steve K | Jan 21 2018, 12:51 PM Post #2589 |
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Irrelevant in three ways a) we shouldn’t judge current prominent people by the behaviours of known rogues like Nixon and Johnson. We should judge them by the standards we expect today. We wouldn’t judge Harold Shipman by Nurse Beverly Allitt so don’t judge Trump by Nixon b) Nixon was over 40 years ago c) Trump’s public behaviour is far far worse |
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| Rich | Jan 21 2018, 12:55 PM Post #2590 |
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How have/has the expectation of standards of those holding high office changed in any way over the last century, surely, what we expect today equally applied a hundred years ago and in between? |
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| Deleted User | Jan 21 2018, 01:04 PM Post #2591 |
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Yes but politicians behaviour is compared with other politicians years ago..Churchill and Thatcher come to mind. If Nixon and Johnson were rogues then so were Kennedy, Clinton, Dubya Bush and Reagan . All of them did plenty of roguish things and made plenty of gaffs.yet each one has been attributed with a worthwhile legacy...not sure about Dubya Trumps public behaviour is different from previous presidents because he makes it public . However what happened here is that his rhetoric in a private meeting was leaked . IMO it’s not the language that should be of concern...that’s the kind that previous alpha male presidents have used....it’s the fact that private meetings have been leaked and so many of the public are hypocritical about it. |
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| Affa | Jan 21 2018, 01:09 PM Post #2592 |
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Worth a thread of its own imo. Personally I disagree that expectations are the same today as yesteryear. In decades past 'integrity' was massively important. Today ministers have 'secretaries', 'advisers' to carry the can for wrong doing. There is a huge expense in avoiding 'blame' and the culture has changed in Westminster - for the worse. |
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| Steve K | Jan 21 2018, 01:19 PM Post #2593 |
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And that may be. the crux here. He freely communicates every day that being a misogynist lying confrontational bigot that would corrupt the passage of justice is a great thing to be. The knock on effect of that onto the behaviour of millions of Americans will not be small Hard to believe it was a private meeting as it was with the Democrats but if so (he hasn’t to my knowledge said it was) then such disclosure is wrong What is notable is that both Republicans and Democrats present back the account with a question only over whether he called the countries ‘Shitholes’ or ‘Shithouses’ and that Trump made no early move to deny the account only doing so when it started looking bad for him. He said it and it was very wrong to so do so and to not promptly apologise and retract just further shows what a **** this president really is https://www.factcheck.org/2018/01/trump-say-immigration-meeting/ |
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| Deleted User | Jan 21 2018, 01:23 PM Post #2594 |
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Trump campaigned as an obnoxious oaf and promised to do obnoxious oafish things...because ( according to him) they needed doing. He tweeted crass things and said crass things on his campaign trail. He got elected and is now not only trying to actually do what he promised to do but is still as crass as he was during the campaign ( and before). It makes me smile when people feign horror (it must be feigned ...surely ) when he is the same as he always was. As I said the problem for me is the people who leak private conversations and the hypocrisy of some of his detractors. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 21 2018, 01:28 PM Post #2595 |
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Then perhaps he is more honest than the lying, misogynistic bigots that hid it when they were in office before him. There are cross party meetings in all countries afaik. I’m those meetings rhetoric and views should be freely expressed and not leaked for political gain. The countries he called shitholes are actually shitholes..he should get a Job with lonely planet. |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 21 2018, 01:33 PM Post #2596 |
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Obama is a lying misogynist bigot? Really? |
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| Deleted User | Jan 21 2018, 01:42 PM Post #2597 |
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Ah...you did not read my previous posts so you would not know that I left him out of my list of wrong ‘uns. I apologise for not repeating them....however.....Noam Chomsky met with Obama ( before his election I think ) and stated that he had no moral compass. I think that has been repeated by others but I am not sure. IMO Obama would have made a wonderful company man but not a leader....the equivalent of our John Major. |
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| Rich | Jan 21 2018, 01:47 PM Post #2598 |
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But you see, the meaning of the word "honourable" and all it's connotations have not altered since the word was invented, even more so with "right honourable" Either one is Honourable or not, I suspect that many are not but have not yet been found out, nonetheless I expect those holding that title to live up to it, I do it for nothing......they are paid very well to be so.
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| Oddball | Jan 23 2018, 04:16 AM Post #2599 |
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Rich - The suffix 'Honourable' or 'Right Honourable' are an adjunct to positions, titles, or ranks; and have never really meant that is the way they normally behave, though it would be nice if they always did - ah, dream time. |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 27 2018, 02:10 AM Post #2600 |
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The Guggenheim Museum in NY told him to get flocked! http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/the-white-house-wanted-a-van-gogh-the-guggenheim-offered-a-used-solid-gold-toilet/2018/01/25/38d574fc-0154-11e8-bb03-722769454f82_story.html?utm_term=.f8c27c8d92ff Maybe, May has to grow a set! |
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IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.



I hate to think what school you learnt your history in

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