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| Topic Started: Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM (1,610 Views) | |
| C-too | Jan 7 2017, 07:31 AM Post #1 |
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
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| Steve K | Jan 15 2017, 12:06 AM Post #241 |
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Perhaps you could look up the word 'lie' in a dictionary. It does not mean to make a mistake. It is all about fundamental dishonesty.
As I've posted before, May has form for telling lies - I didn't say all politicians are absolved from the allegation. Remember the cat? Remember her blaming the ECtHR when she knew it was her team that had got the paperwork wrong. She's less dishonest than Boris and Gove and all of them are a lot less dishonest than Trump who just tells lie after lie after lie to try and cover up his previous lies. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 15 2017, 12:17 AM Post #242 |
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I think that politicians know what is practical and what is not. You should look up the word naive in the dictionary. Now I've pointed out three outright lies by three politicians you are going to tell me that they are in the minority and there is arbitrary levels of lying..set by you. Ffs... |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 15 2017, 01:06 AM Post #243 |
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Actually, no.They were afraid of people like Václav Havel, Lech Walesa and the fed-up peoples that they represented, and so they should have been. Despite the Russians best efforts , the Eastern European citizenry dismantled the Soviet fortress in very short order, with Ronald Reagan and his mercy band of of Hitler Youth as almost completely irrelevant to the final outcome. Edited by Curious Cdn, Jan 15 2017, 01:07 AM.
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| The Buccaneer | Jan 15 2017, 01:38 AM Post #244 |
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Have you any idea of the miscellany of contradictory garbage you have just issued ? Reagan and his mercy band of Hitler youth ? Gimme strength, even a 5 yo could take that juxtaposition apart in a heartbeat ! |
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| xosg | Jan 15 2017, 01:45 AM Post #245 |
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You keep trying to defend your failed EU I will stick to common sense and reason. Do you know what would happen if Russia invaded one of these small states.. FOOKALL that's what. Your precious EU would do fookall,neither would the Americans.Oh there will be some chest beating and a few thousand people killed,but in the great scheme of things,not really a major disaster,is it ? When you come out of LA LA LAND let me know.I will teach you a few things about world politics The EU certainly will not fight to save little ol Latvia,Lithuania etc,etc,etc . 1. They would get fooked over (if you are in denial,you really have lost it ) 2. They are Skint ( Takes a lot of money to fight a major conflict ) 3. Do you really think the people of the West would risk a nuclear war over Latvia etc etc 4. The same goes for the Americans (sure throw a few tanks and soldiers in,look the part,they would be expendable ) 5. Do you think the American people give a flying fook about countries,the majority have never heard of. So you tell me,what kind of a war do you want ? (Conventional,Nuclear,Skirmish ) what Because you fookin lot will not be happy until you get one and get fooked over |
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| Cymru | Jan 15 2017, 02:00 AM Post #246 |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change |
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| Curious Cdn | Jan 15 2017, 02:16 AM Post #247 |
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Merry band, I am posting on a miniscule screen that I can hardly read. This, of course, is the sort of mean-spirited comeback that I've come to expect from you. You must be a nasty bit of business in real life. |
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| xosg | Jan 15 2017, 02:30 AM Post #248 |
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He is rght. You do talk Garbage |
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| C-too | Jan 15 2017, 07:46 AM Post #249 |
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President Yanukovych was in favour of greater trading relationship with the EU, as too were many of the people of the Ukraine. Trading negotiations were taking place but when Yanukovych backed out of these negotiations with the EU, that is when the people turned against him. |
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| C-too | Jan 15 2017, 07:47 AM Post #250 |
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| C-too | Jan 15 2017, 07:53 AM Post #251 |
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You have well and truly fell under the spell of the Denigrator General. I have asked you once before for irrefutable evidence, you failed to supply any. |
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| C-too | Jan 15 2017, 08:07 AM Post #252 |
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He's a viper with a viper's background in IIRC the particularly evil Stasi. |
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| Rich | Jan 15 2017, 10:36 AM Post #253 |
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Are you suggesting that we should "empathetically" accept a "degree" of lying just because we "know" that all or some politicians indulge in it and that the practice is part and parcel of politics? Or should we expect more of our politicians and hold them to account when it comes to the word "honourable"? |
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| Steve K | Jan 15 2017, 11:01 AM Post #254 |
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Not at all, please read what I post Lying is unacceptable so is lying about people supposedly lying. Perhaps you recall the numerous times posters here have accused Cameron of lying and when challenged dribbled out a series of their lies about what he said and blatant misrepresentation of misforecasts as lies. Gansao digs up 3 iffy comments (may or may not have been lies) from 50 years of politics in the USA and UK and decides that's proof that all politicians lie all the time. Frankly that's a clearer lie than the 3 examples he came up with. |
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| Tytoalba | Jan 15 2017, 11:20 AM Post #255 |
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The Reagan narrative , the purpose of the cod war, was to undermine the ability of the Russians to wage war and win it In their attempts to out design and out perform the USA war machine, they bankrupted their nation, for the USA with the Wests support were much richer. and could invest far more than the Russians, and for much longer. It led to the break up of the USSR, which is what Putin is trying to rebuild. |
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| krugerman | Jan 15 2017, 11:26 AM Post #256 |
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Absolutely correct C-too It was indeed at that point when the people of The Ukraine took to the streets in their millions, all across the country, but in particular in Maiden Square in Kiev. This uprising had absolutely nothing what so ever to do with America, NATO, the CIA or outside influence of any kind, it was purely and simply Ukrainian people of all walks of life wanting a better way of life away from the old, corrupt and failed Soviet / Russian era. My whole point here is that if Trump wishes to sacrifice the Ukrainian people in some sort of farcical chess game with bully boy Putin, then dont expect Europe to go along with it, and further more, if Teressa May sides with such a dirty plan, then perhaps we need an uprising here too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE_jfOj52a4 |
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| xosg | Jan 15 2017, 11:38 AM Post #257 |
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What do you want pictures No proof will ever be good enough for you,will it ? You don't like the questions and you certainly don't like the answers.Your in total denial. You want proof, go see the FBI. |
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| xosg | Jan 15 2017, 11:52 AM Post #258 |
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Jeez, if anyone is in LA LA LAND it's you. You are living proof it exists.Yes folks,the alternative universe is here To say the West was not behind the Ukranian revolution is naïve,pathetic and an outright lie. Oh yes, did you know,Hitler has a soft spot for the jews PS. Just tell me what exactly,will Europe do about it ? Who do you think Europe are ? You certainly seem to have delusions of grandeur when it comes to Europe. Russia would waltz through Europe, and the only way to stop them would be nukes. IS THAT WHAT YOU LEFTIES WANT ?(you won't be happy until it happens,will you ? ) Why,don't you just come out and say it ? Edited by xosg, Jan 15 2017, 11:58 AM.
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| Steve K | Jan 15 2017, 11:53 AM Post #259 |
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Except your Haiti story was one of Trump/Pence's big fat lies http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/19/mike-pence/pence-wrong-haiti-contracts-steered-clinton-friend/ awkward eh? |
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| Steve K | Jan 15 2017, 11:57 AM Post #260 |
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as Krugerman pointed out, it was all caused when Yanukovich double crossed his own electorate by campaigning to have closer ties with the EU, got so elected and then when the EU said 'only if you stop imprisoning political opponents to shut them up' he reversed and cuddled up to Putin. In the end his own party voted him out of office.Ain't facts awkward to conspiracy theorists |
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| xosg | Jan 15 2017, 12:05 PM Post #261 |
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Yes it is a bit,don't you think ? http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437883/hillarys-america-secret-history-democratic-party-dinesh-dsouza-clinton-foundation Unlike you,mine comes from the horses mouth.I find the best way to really get a grip on something is go ask the people themselves who are affected,don't ya think ? Life can be a bitch sometimes, can't it ? |
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| Steve K | Jan 15 2017, 12:12 PM Post #262 |
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"Horse's mouth" You quoted an article by Dinesh D’Souza a convicted election fraudster http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-dsouza-idUSKCN0HI23820140923 Top tip: always look into your sources before others do |
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| krugerman | Jan 15 2017, 12:14 PM Post #263 |
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Reality is reality, and facts backed by lots and lots and lots of evidence are facts, the revisionist and alternative version of history in this instance is the one as put forward by Russia, Nigel Farage and probably Donald Trump ( and all other monster raving lunatics ). It is an established and widely known fact amongst everyone with half a brain, that many many Ukrainians have wanted to have closer ties to Europe and cut ties with Russia, only an absolute idiot would even attempt to deny this. Not even the CIA or the EU could mobilise millions of ordinary Ukrainians onto the streets in protest at been double crossed by Viktor Yanukovych, this is conspiracy theory at its absolute most ridiculous. At the time of the uprising by separatists in the east, the Pew Institute conducted a comprehensive survey ( The Pew Institute is the most respected NON-PARTISAN research institute in the world ), some of its findings are here : Even in the east, a minority backs an alliance with Russia Two-thirds of Ukrainians back sanctions against Russia, CNN poll finds Ukrainians tend to see Putin as dangerous and strong, and Obama as friendly More than half of Ukrainians say the country should ally with Europe Edited by krugerman, Jan 15 2017, 12:15 PM.
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| xosg | Jan 15 2017, 12:23 PM Post #264 |
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Fine. If it's false sue him,simple really. Oh you mean the political prisoner,not a real prisoner then. What about MANDELA ? No doubt a god in the lefts eyes,he was a criminal was he not ? Convicted in a court in his own country |
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| Steve K | Jan 15 2017, 12:25 PM Post #265 |
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Oh look, diversion |
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| xosg | Jan 15 2017, 12:32 PM Post #266 |
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It is an established and widely known fact amongst everyone with half a brain, that many many Ukrainians have wanted to have closer ties to Europe and cut ties with Russia, only an absolute idiot would even attempt to deny this. SO WHAT ? I want a Swedish nanny,but can't have one It is an established and widely known fact amongst everyone with half a brain, that many many Ukrainians have wanted to have closer ties to Europe and cut ties with Russia, only an absolute idiot would even attempt to deny this. Go ask the S American countries Two-thirds of Ukrainians back sanctions against Russia, CNN poll finds Ukrainians tend to see Putin as dangerous and strong, and Obama as friendly CNN OBAMA More than half of Ukrainians say the country should ally with Europe More than half you say. Pity you don't hold the same standards in your own country then aint it ( BREXIT ) OK for the ukranians,but not the brits,hey ? That is the lefts problem,double standards everywhere you look |
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| xosg | Jan 15 2017, 12:36 PM Post #267 |
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What, you don't like the truth when presented ? Knock you off your little moral high chair then ? FACTS are not OPINIONS. I keep telling you lot this |
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| Steve K | Jan 15 2017, 12:39 PM Post #268 |
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No you went off about Haiti and had your 'Horse's Mouth' story shredded and suddenly you start talking about Mandela. That's what English speaking people call 'diversion' |
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| xosg | Jan 15 2017, 12:41 PM Post #269 |
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Show me where it has been shredded ? Because you say so.
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| xosg | Jan 15 2017, 12:48 PM Post #270 |
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TELL ME. Who should I believe, HIM or YOU ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKwbE5S208M Hardly worth thinking about really is it. No political axe to grind,just wanting what was promised. Just one of thousands out there. As I said straight from the horses mouth,hey ? "THE'RE ALL LIARS " I hear you shout Russian Plants
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| C-too | Jan 15 2017, 12:58 PM Post #271 |
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Exactly, you are unable to post verifiable examples which gives the impression you prefer Trump's insinuations. |
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| xosg | Jan 15 2017, 01:06 PM Post #272 |
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It is mute really. It doesn't matter what anyone prints you are in denial.Just like your oppo Stevek. You both need to get of your moral high horses,and stop thinking you are the SOCRATES of UK Debate
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| Tigger | Jan 15 2017, 01:29 PM Post #273 |
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As these days you are apparently a fan of barking@themoondot.com and a subscriber to the Alex Jones appreciation society, as opposed the the regular news, you may have missed the recent events in Poland which is currently hosting an increasing number of US crack troops and welcomed an armoured brigade this very week, so any Russian incursions into Poland is likely to see Russians directly confronting American soldiers. I of course realise you'd shit yourself at the thought of the mighty Vladimir's forces opposing you so it's just as well you are no longer in the front line............ |
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| xosg | Jan 15 2017, 01:41 PM Post #274 |
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LOL you have no fookin clue,do you ? And how long do you think a few thousand are going to last YOU WANT WAR,JUST SAY IT ? When bombs and bullets start flying I expect you or your son to be in the front line,because mine fookin will. I have done my bit and it's not nice,and frankly with the type of fookin idiots we got now (safe spaces,micro aggression ) I don't hold up much hope for the west,do you ? (Thanks to your kind of ideology ) PS. YOU WANT A WAR,YOU GO FOOKIN FIGHT IT.Because if I have anything to do with it,my lads won't be going just to please you fookin lot |
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| Tigger | Jan 15 2017, 01:53 PM Post #275 |
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White feather stuff, try and join a few dots here, if you can manage it of course, Russian forces attacking US forces in a NATO country would eventually be the end of Putin and probably the Russia you know and love. Edited by Tigger, Jan 15 2017, 01:53 PM.
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| xosg | Jan 15 2017, 02:19 PM Post #276 |
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And the end of Europe the UK so you wouldn't be around to appreciate it,would you ? Just what would you give to the war effort exactly ? You're like the guy who says "I have given 3 cousins to the war effort and I have another 3 to give if needed "
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| Steve K | Jan 15 2017, 02:36 PM Post #277 |
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It was exposed as false by the Politifact link I posted and your supposed rebuttal was to post an earlier story by a known electoral criminal See if you can get another poster to say we should trust your convict as a source |
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| xosg | Jan 15 2017, 02:45 PM Post #278 |
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Why not, you trusted Mandela,did'nt you ? A MURDERER
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| Tigger | Jan 15 2017, 02:46 PM Post #279 |
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The thing with Russia is it's instability which it likes to export. Throughout it's history power has eventually been concentrated in the hands of the few and at the expense of the many, the same is happening today. A likely attack on a NATO country would see Russia implode from within, tens of millions of dirt poor Russians would have little to lose. |
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| Steve K | Jan 15 2017, 02:48 PM Post #280 |
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As I said diversion. Do you need "See if you can get another poster to say we should trust your convict as a source" in bigger font so you understand it? |
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IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.



as Krugerman pointed out, it was all caused when Yanukovich double crossed his own electorate by campaigning to have closer ties with the EU, got so elected and then when the EU said 'only if you stop imprisoning political opponents to shut them up' he reversed and cuddled up to Putin. In the end his own party voted him out of office.

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