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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so  IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity. In this internet world everyone is hacking everyone else, for their own security and in their own interests. If our own Government isn't doing it in our own best interests, and trying to influence the elections elsewhere then they are not doing their job properly. Thee BBC was at it all the time and still is, just as they are withy Brexit. What the Russians have or have not done is no different to what everyone else has done or is doing. To blame the Russians for Trumps success is just another case of losers complaining as an expression of their own disappointment in the results.
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so  IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
In this internet world everyone is hacking everyone else, for their own security and in their own interests. If our own Government isn't doing it in our own best interests, and trying to influence the elections elsewhere then they are not doing their job properly. Thee BBC was at it all the time and still is, just as they are withy Brexit. What the Russians have or have not done is no different to what everyone else has done or is doing. To blame the Russians for Trumps success is just another case of losers complaining as an expression of their own disappointment in the results. I have never blamed Russia for Trump's success. I questioned the idea that Trump can categorically state that Russian interference had no influence on the outcome. Twisting what I posted into an accusation that I blamed the Russians for Trump's success is the sort of twisted logic Trump would applaud.
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Jan 16 2017, 09:39 PM
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so  IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
In this internet world everyone is hacking everyone else, for their own security and in their own interests. If our own Government isn't doing it in our own best interests, and trying to influence the elections elsewhere then they are not doing their job properly. Thee BBC was at it all the time and still is, just as they are withy Brexit. What the Russians have or have not done is no different to what everyone else has done or is doing. To blame the Russians for Trumps success is just another case of losers complaining as an expression of their own disappointment in the results.
I have never blamed Russia for Trump's success. I questioned the idea that Trump can categorically state that Russian interference had no influence on the outcome. Twisting what I posted into an accusation that I blamed the Russians for Trump's success is the sort of twisted logic Trump would applaud.
If you have a little think for a minute you may realise that Trump could not possibly accept that Russian STATE influence had any influence on the outcome of the election.
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Jan 16 2017, 11:03 PM
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We live in very dangerous times
Peoples and society has never been so divided - in the United States there is very real bitterness and very real anger by probably millions of people over the election of Donald Trump.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans see Trump as been a bigot, intollerant and a disgrace to what they feel is how America should be seen by the world, he is despised by most blacks, most Latino's, almost all American Muslims and by everyone who believes in a fair and just world.
In this country, society is split like it has never been split before, xenophobia has risen alarmingly, there are hundreds of thousands of British people who utterly reject deeply what is going on in the country, and to make matters much worse, it appears that Teressa May and her government are cosying up to Donald Trump - this makes me utterly sick, and it makes lots of people feel the same way, the divisions are deep and very bitter.
When Donald Trump won the American election, Angela Merkel sent a message of congratulations but with a footnote, it stated that she hoped that he would be a president for all Americans, regardless of their background, their origins, faith or sexuality.
Angela Merkel is a hero to me -- Teressa May is an arse licker
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Jan 16 2017, 11:31 PM
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We live in very dangerous times
Peoples and society has never been so divided - in the United States there is very real bitterness and very real anger by probably millions of people over the election of Donald Trump.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans see Trump as been a bigot, intollerant and a disgrace to what they feel is how America should be seen by the world, he is despised by most blacks, most Latino's, almost all American Muslims and by everyone who believes in a fair and just world.
In this country, society is split like it has never been split before, xenophobia has risen alarmingly, there are hundreds of thousands of British people who utterly reject deeply what is going on in the country, and to make matters much worse, it appears that Teressa May and her government are cosying up to Donald Trump - this makes me utterly sick, and it makes lots of people feel the same way, the divisions are deep and very bitter.
When Donald Trump won the American election, Angela Merkel sent a message of congratulations but with a footnote, it stated that she hoped that he would be a president for all Americans, regardless of their background, their origins, faith or sexuality.
Angela Merkel is a hero to me -- Teressa May is an arse licker
When people with your attitude realise that what has been happening is not the triumph of bigots but the failure of the politicians that you idolise ...who for decades have been pissing on working people and telling them it's raining. Stop demonising the people who want rid of the hypocrisy that the likes of Obama and the high priests of the EU . Angela Merkel a hero?...ffs
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We live in very dangerous times
Peoples and society has never been so divided - in the United States there is very real bitterness and very real anger by probably millions of people over the election of Donald Trump.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans see Trump as been a bigot, intollerant and a disgrace to what they feel is how America should be seen by the world, he is despised by most blacks, most Latino's, almost all American Muslims and by everyone who believes in a fair and just world.
In this country, society is split like it has never been split before, xenophobia has risen alarmingly, there are hundreds of thousands of British people who utterly reject deeply what is going on in the country, and to make matters much worse, it appears that Teressa May and her government are cosying up to Donald Trump - this makes me utterly sick, and it makes lots of people feel the same way, the divisions are deep and very bitter.
When Donald Trump won the American election, Angela Merkel sent a message of congratulations but with a footnote, it stated that she hoped that he would be a president for all Americans, regardless of their background, their origins, faith or sexuality.
Angela Merkel is a hero to me -- Teressa May is an arse licker You'll like this,
"As democracy is perfected, the office of President represents, more and more closely the inner soul of the people. On some great and day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire and at last the White House will be adorned with a downright moron."
HL Menchen, the Evening Sun July 26th 1920.
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Jan 16 2017, 11:37 PM
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We live in very dangerous times
Peoples and society has never been so divided - in the United States there is very real bitterness and very real anger by probably millions of people over the election of Donald Trump.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans see Trump as been a bigot, intollerant and a disgrace to what they feel is how America should be seen by the world, he is despised by most blacks, most Latino's, almost all American Muslims and by everyone who believes in a fair and just world.
In this country, society is split like it has never been split before, xenophobia has risen alarmingly, there are hundreds of thousands of British people who utterly reject deeply what is going on in the country, and to make matters much worse, it appears that Teressa May and her government are cosying up to Donald Trump - this makes me utterly sick, and it makes lots of people feel the same way, the divisions are deep and very bitter.
When Donald Trump won the American election, Angela Merkel sent a message of congratulations but with a footnote, it stated that she hoped that he would be a president for all Americans, regardless of their background, their origins, faith or sexuality.
Angela Merkel is a hero to me -- Teressa May is an arse licker
You'll like this, "As democracy is perfected, the office of President represents, more and more closely the inner soul of the people. On some great and day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire and at last the White House will be adorned with a downright moron." HL Menchen, the Evening Sun July 26th 1920.
Yes we can't 😉
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Donald trump agrees that there was Russian interference in the election, but he says it did not influence the outcome of the election. No influence on the outcome because he says so  IMO he has exposed his Mr Smart Mouth immaturity.
In this internet world everyone is hacking everyone else, for their own security and in their own interests. If our own Government isn't doing it in our own best interests, and trying to influence the elections elsewhere then they are not doing their job properly. Thee BBC was at it all the time and still is, just as they are withy Brexit. What the Russians have or have not done is no different to what everyone else has done or is doing. To blame the Russians for Trumps success is just another case of losers complaining as an expression of their own disappointment in the results. Indeed, the BBC here in Caversham, Reading is a listening station and has been since circa 1939 with polyglots listening in to conversations criss crossing the world every second of the day and analysing key words and phrases.
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Jan 17 2017, 10:55 AM
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We live in very dangerous times
Peoples and society has never been so divided - in the United States there is very real bitterness and very real anger by probably millions of people over the election of Donald Trump.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans see Trump as been a bigot, intollerant and a disgrace to what they feel is how America should be seen by the world, he is despised by most blacks, most Latino's, almost all American Muslims and by everyone who believes in a fair and just world.
In this country, society is split like it has never been split before, xenophobia has risen alarmingly, there are hundreds of thousands of British people who utterly reject deeply what is going on in the country, and to make matters much worse, it appears that Teressa May and her government are cosying up to Donald Trump - this makes me utterly sick, and it makes lots of people feel the same way, the divisions are deep and very bitter.
When Donald Trump won the American election, Angela Merkel sent a message of congratulations but with a footnote, it stated that she hoped that he would be a president for all Americans, regardless of their background, their origins, faith or sexuality.
Angela Merkel is a hero to me -- Teressa May is an arse licker
When people with your attitude realise that what has been happening is not the triumph of bigots but the failure of the politicians that you idolise ...who for decades have been pissing on working people and telling them it's raining. Stop demonising the people who want rid of the hypocrisy that the likes of Obama and the high priests of the EU . Angela Merkel a hero?...ffs Please explain to me how attacks and slurs on people of other nationalities, different race's and other religions have anything to do with working people, or the betterment of ordinary people. ?
What possible connection is there between politicians who believe in mutual respect, diplomacy, tollerance and compromise with the state of the working classes.
Donald Trump is in the same mold as Vladimir Putin, Nigel Farage and Paul Nuttall, they are arseholes, not fit for purpose, they represent angry, uneducated and unintelligent bigots, and have been elected out of pure anger, but in reality what possible answers could such idiots come up with to make either their own society or even the world a better place. ?
How do you feel Islamic extremists are going to react to Donald Trump ?, dont tell me, Mr Trump is going to dig up John Wayne and send in the Green Berets - do you feel Mr Trump is less likely to make America and Americans targets of terror, or more likely. ?
What was the very first policy idea from UKIP's brand new leader ?, in a world troubled by Brexit, a failing NHS, cuts to public services, ISIS and economic woes, the very first policy idea from Mr Nuttall was that Burkah should be banned.
Pandering after the angry thick idiots instead of addressing issues that are actually relivant or that matter, politicians with no real answers to the issues that actually affect peoples lives. Lets attack Muslims or Mexicans, lets demonize a section of society, or a particular minority, creating barriers, divisions, borders and suspicion.
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Jan 17 2017, 11:15 AM
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We live in very dangerous times
Peoples and society has never been so divided - in the United States there is very real bitterness and very real anger by probably millions of people over the election of Donald Trump.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans see Trump as been a bigot, intollerant and a disgrace to what they feel is how America should be seen by the world, he is despised by most blacks, most Latino's, almost all American Muslims and by everyone who believes in a fair and just world.
In this country, society is split like it has never been split before, xenophobia has risen alarmingly, there are hundreds of thousands of British people who utterly reject deeply what is going on in the country, and to make matters much worse, it appears that Teressa May and her government are cosying up to Donald Trump - this makes me utterly sick, and it makes lots of people feel the same way, the divisions are deep and very bitter.
When Donald Trump won the American election, Angela Merkel sent a message of congratulations but with a footnote, it stated that she hoped that he would be a president for all Americans, regardless of their background, their origins, faith or sexuality.
Angela Merkel is a hero to me -- Teressa May is an arse licker
When people with your attitude realise that what has been happening is not the triumph of bigots but the failure of the politicians that you idolise ...who for decades have been pissing on working people and telling them it's raining. Stop demonising the people who want rid of the hypocrisy that the likes of Obama and the high priests of the EU . Angela Merkel a hero?...ffs
Please explain to me how attacks and slurs on people of other nationalities, different race's and other religions have anything to do with working people, or the betterment of ordinary people. ? What possible connection is there between politicians who believe in mutual respect, diplomacy, tollerance and compromise with the state of the working classes. Donald Trump is in the same mold as Vladimir Putin, Nigel Farage and Paul Nuttall, they are arseholes, not fit for purpose, they represent angry, uneducated and unintelligent bigots, and have been elected out of pure anger, but in reality what possible answers could such idiots come up with to make either their own society or even the world a better place. ? How do you feel Islamic extremists are going to react to Donald Trump ?, dont tell me, Mr Trump is going to dig up John Wayne and send in the Green Berets - do you feel Mr Trump is less likely to make America and Americans targets of terror, or more likely. ? What was the very first policy idea from UKIP's brand new leader ?, in a world troubled by Brexit, a failing NHS, cuts to public services, ISIS and economic woes, the very first policy idea from Mr Nuttall was that Burkah should be banned. Pandering after the angry thick idiots instead of addressing issues that are actually relivant or that matter, politicians with no real answers to the issues that actually affect peoples lives. Lets attack Muslims or Mexicans, lets demonize a section of society, or a particular minority, creating barriers, divisions, borders and suspicion.
I take it you don't like his rhetoric? Problem is that he is the result of years of clueless politicians who use better or more acceptable (to you) but where and still are incompetent fools. For years the liberals have been demonising anyone who questions their view of the world , telling the people who's wages are stagnating, cannot buy or rent a house and see the prospect of secure job fading that they are racists when they point out that thousands of migrants are the problem (or at least part of it).
While people feel alienated in their own towns dare to suggest a monoculture is the answer, the liberal left scream xenophobia and tell us it's multiculturalism or racism. Ring any bells? The false outrage of the liberal left has been ignored by the people who the lefties expect to pay for their political wet dreams. You had it coming and now it's come.
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I have never blamed Russia for Trump's success. I questioned the idea that Trump can categorically state that Russian interference had no influence on the outcome. Twisting what I posted into an accusation that I blamed the Russians for Trump's success is the sort of twisted logic Trump would applaud.
If you have a little think for a minute you may realise that Trump could not possibly accept that Russian STATE influence had any influence on the outcome of the election. So he lied ? As I posted he will say whatever he thinks needs to be said at any one time.
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We live in very dangerous times
Peoples and society has never been so divided - in the United States there is very real bitterness and very real anger by probably millions of people over the election of Donald Trump.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans see Trump as been a bigot, intollerant and a disgrace to what they feel is how America should be seen by the world, he is despised by most blacks, most Latino's, almost all American Muslims and by everyone who believes in a fair and just world.
In this country, society is split like it has never been split before, xenophobia has risen alarmingly, there are hundreds of thousands of British people who utterly reject deeply what is going on in the country, and to make matters much worse, it appears that Teressa May and her government are cosying up to Donald Trump - this makes me utterly sick, and it makes lots of people feel the same way, the divisions are deep and very bitter.
When Donald Trump won the American election, Angela Merkel sent a message of congratulations but with a footnote, it stated that she hoped that he would be a president for all Americans, regardless of their background, their origins, faith or sexuality.
Angela Merkel is a hero to me -- Teressa May is an arse licker
You'll like this, "As democracy is perfected, the office of President represents, more and more closely the inner soul of the people. On some great and day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire and at last the White House will be adorned with a downright moron." HL Menchen, the Evening Sun July 26th 1920. Who is HL Menchen, and what is his authority based on? Here is another of his quotes.
An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
H. L. Mencken
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If you have a little think for a minute you may realise that Trump could not possibly accept that Russian STATE influence had any influence on the outcome of the election.
So he lied ? As I posted he will say whatever he thinks needs to be said at any one time.
Did he lie? Is there indisputable evidence that there was a significant influence of the vote by Russia?
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So he lied ? As I posted he will say whatever he thinks needs to be said at any one time.
Did he lie? Is there indisputable evidence that there was a significant influence of the vote by Russia? Well is there? I understand that there is no proof presented in the relevant documents. Shouldn't we have proof? Now how does it go. "A person is presumed to be innocent until proved guilty". Its not a matter of "Guilty now, whats the evidence?"
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Did he lie? Is there indisputable evidence that there was a significant influence of the vote by Russia?
Well is there? I understand that there is no proof presented in the relevant documents. Shouldn't we have proof? Now how does it go. "A person is presumed to be innocent until proved guilty". Its not a matter of "Guilty now, whats the evidence?"
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Please explain to me how attacks and slurs on people of other nationalities, different race's and other religions have anything to do with working people, or the betterment of ordinary people. ? What possible connection is there between politicians who believe in mutual respect, diplomacy, tollerance and compromise with the state of the working classes. Donald Trump is in the same mold as Vladimir Putin, Nigel Farage and Paul Nuttall, they are arseholes, not fit for purpose, they represent angry, uneducated and unintelligent bigots, and have been elected out of pure anger, but in reality what possible answers could such idiots come up with to make either their own society or even the world a better place. ? How do you feel Islamic extremists are going to react to Donald Trump ?, dont tell me, Mr Trump is going to dig up John Wayne and send in the Green Berets - do you feel Mr Trump is less likely to make America and Americans targets of terror, or more likely. ? What was the very first policy idea from UKIP's brand new leader ?, in a world troubled by Brexit, a failing NHS, cuts to public services, ISIS and economic woes, the very first policy idea from Mr Nuttall was that Burkah should be banned. Pandering after the angry thick idiots instead of addressing issues that are actually relivant or that matter, politicians with no real answers to the issues that actually affect peoples lives. Lets attack Muslims or Mexicans, lets demonize a section of society, or a particular minority, creating barriers, divisions, borders and suspicion.
I take it you don't like his rhetoric? Problem is that he is the result of years of clueless politicians who use better or more acceptable (to you) but where and still are incompetent fools. For years the liberals have been demonising anyone who questions their view of the world , telling the people who's wages are stagnating, cannot buy or rent a house and see the prospect of secure job fading that they are racists when they point out that thousands of migrants are the problem (or at least part of it). While people feel alienated in their own towns dare to suggest a monoculture is the answer, the liberal left scream xenophobia and tell us it's multiculturalism or racism. Ring any bells? The false outrage of the liberal left has been ignored by the people who the lefties expect to pay for their political wet dreams. You had it coming and now it's come. Nobody gives a damn about the working class, although many have often found it profitable to pretend to. The latest example being the Brexit mob, although as a working class Brit I don't recall Farrage and co asking permission to speak on my behalf, in fact I would very much prefer it if they didn't.
Out of touch elitists eh?
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When people with your attitude realise that what has been happening is not the triumph of bigots but the failure of the politicians that you idolise ...who for decades have been pissing on working people and telling them it's raining. Stop demonising the people who want rid of the hypocrisy that the likes of Obama and the high priests of the EU . Angela Merkel a hero?...ffs
^ This.
Trump and Brexit is NOT the fault of the electorates involved.
But a failure of the politics and politicians involved.
They failed to sell their vision, because they failed to ensure that vision was inclusive enough.
Globalisation has only ever been about making the richest 5% richer.
With the dawning of the Information Age it was inevitable that enough of the remaining 95% would a) start to see that and b) fight back against it.
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When people with your attitude realise that what has been happening is not the triumph of bigots but the failure of the politicians that you idolise ...who for decades have been pissing on working people and telling them it's raining. Stop demonising the people who want rid of the hypocrisy that the likes of Obama and the high priests of the EU . Angela Merkel a hero?...ffs
^ This. Trump and Brexit is NOT the fault of the electorates involved. But a failure of the politics and politicians involved. They failed to sell their vision, because they failed to ensure that vision was inclusive enough. Globalisation has only ever been about making the richest 5% richer. With the dawning of the Information Age it was inevitable that enough of the remaining 95% would a) start to see that and b) fight back against it. All The Best So salt of the earth, folksy, working class hero Donald Trump and his cabinet of billionaires are gonna lead the fight back against the 5%?
Surely a man of your intelligence does not really believe that?
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So salt of the earth, folksy, working class hero Donald Trump and his cabinet of billionaires are gonna lead the fight back against the 5%?
Surely a man of your intelligence does not really believe that? He's none of things, nor did I ever say he was.
But he's tapping into the support of those that are.
He could turn around and shaft them, but that will guarantee he is a one term POTUS, and I think he is smarter than that.
For the record, I seriously doubt if Trump, or any of his cabinet, are in that 5%. Some may be hovering around the bottom fringe, but it takes more than just money to be in that club.
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So he lied ? As I posted he will say whatever he thinks needs to be said at any one time.
Did he lie? Is there indisputable evidence that there was a significant influence of the vote by Russia? At first he dismissed the suggestion of Russian interference in the election with the comment, 'never happened'.
Then he said, 'it never influenced the result'.
Then he acknowledged there was attempted Russian interference in the election.
Was it a lie to categorically dismiss it when he didn't know ? Was it a lie to state it had no affect on the outcome of the election ?
All witnessed on the TV.
The answer to your first question is that I believe he did, not least because he contradicts himself. The answer to your second question is, I don't know, but it appears to be the case that Trump and others do now know it to be true.
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Jan 17 2017, 02:55 PM
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Did he lie? Is there indisputable evidence that there was a significant influence of the vote by Russia?
Well is there? I understand that there is no proof presented in the relevant documents. Shouldn't we have proof? Now how does it go. "A person is presumed to be innocent until proved guilty". Its not a matter of "Guilty now, whats the evidence?" And a person who contradicts themselves ?
For evidence you would need to speak to both the US intelligence agency and to Trump. And answer the question why Obama sent a 'cut it out' message to the Kremlin following which interference quietened down.
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When people with your attitude realise that what has been happening is not the triumph of bigots but the failure of the politicians that you idolise ...who for decades have been pissing on working people and telling them it's raining. Stop demonising the people who want rid of the hypocrisy that the likes of Obama and the high priests of the EU . Angela Merkel a hero?...ffs
^ This. Trump and Brexit is NOT the fault of the electorates involved. But a failure of the politics and politicians involved. They failed to sell their vision, because they failed to ensure that vision was inclusive enough. Globalisation has only ever been about making the richest 5% richer. With the dawning of the Information Age it was inevitable that enough of the remaining 95% would a) start to see that and b) fight back against it. All The Best Is the problem capitalism ?
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Jan 17 2017, 03:06 PM
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So salt of the earth, folksy, working class hero Donald Trump and his cabinet of billionaires are gonna lead the fight back against the 5%?
Surely a man of your intelligence does not really believe that?
He's none of things, nor did I ever say he was. But he's tapping into the support of those that are. He could turn around and shaft them, but that will guarantee he is a one term POTUS, and I think he is smarter than that. For the record, I seriously doubt if Trump, or any of his cabinet, are in that 5%. Some may be hovering around the bottom fringe, but it takes more than just money to be in that club. All The Best I believe he almost certainly will shaft the working class and they will look back fondly on the days when they were merely being ignored by the elite.
But he will blame anyone and everyone but himself, he's shown a tremendous talent for that already.
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Did he lie? Is there indisputable evidence that there was a significant influence of the vote by Russia?
At first he dismissed the suggestion of Russian interference in the election with the comment, 'never happened'. Then he said, 'it never influenced the result'. Then he acknowledged there was attempted Russian interference in the election. Was it a lie to categorically dismiss it when he didn't know ? Was it a lie to state it had no affect on the outcome of the election ? All witnessed on the TV. The answer to your first question is that I believe he did, not least because he contradicts himself. The answer to your second question is, I don't know, but it appears to be the case that Trump and others do now know it to be true.
You believe he did. You don't know. OK let's move on...
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Jan 17 2017, 04:05 PM
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At first he dismissed the suggestion of Russian interference in the election with the comment, 'never happened'. Then he said, 'it never influenced the result'. Then he acknowledged there was attempted Russian interference in the election. Was it a lie to categorically dismiss it when he didn't know ? Was it a lie to state it had no affect on the outcome of the election ? All witnessed on the TV. The answer to your first question is that I believe he did, not least because he contradicts himself. The answer to your second question is, I don't know, but it appears to be the case that Trump and others do now know it to be true.
You believe he did. You don't know. OK let's move on... Well if you refuse to look at the evidence before your eyes and refuse to answer the questions posed, then you were not paying attention to begin with.
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You believe he did. You don't know. OK let's move on...
Well if you refuse to look at the evidence before your eyes and refuse to answer the questions posed, then you were not paying attention to begin with.
What are you waffling on about?
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I take it you don't like his rhetoric? Problem is that he is the result of years of clueless politicians who use better or more acceptable (to you) but where and still are incompetent fools. For years the liberals have been demonising anyone who questions their view of the world , telling the people who's wages are stagnating, cannot buy or rent a house and see the prospect of secure job fading that they are racists when they point out that thousands of migrants are the problem (or at least part of it). While people feel alienated in their own towns dare to suggest a monoculture is the answer, the liberal left scream xenophobia and tell us it's multiculturalism or racism. Ring any bells? The false outrage of the liberal left has been ignored by the people who the lefties expect to pay for their political wet dreams. You had it coming and now it's come.
Nobody gives a damn about the working class, although many have often found it profitable to pretend to. The latest example being the Brexit mob, although as a working class Brit I don't recall Farrage and co asking permission to speak on my behalf, in fact I would very much prefer it if they didn't. Out of touch elitists eh? "Working class" is out of date and well past its sell by date. With more and more young people getting degrees in education with so many going to university and higher education from all strata's of society , doesn't working class apply to everyone who goes out to work for a living, no matter how they are termed or identified as a group. Can the footballer earning many thousands a week and living in a big house with a Ferrari and a range Rover in his drive, be termed working class along with his house cleaner on £400 a week. Do they use such out of date terminology in the USA or across the EU? Are those in retirement no longer working class?
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Well is there? I understand that there is no proof presented in the relevant documents. Shouldn't we have proof? Now how does it go. "A person is presumed to be innocent until proved guilty". Its not a matter of "Guilty now, whats the evidence?"
And a person who contradicts themselves ? For evidence you would need to speak to both the US intelligence agency and to Trump. And answer the question why Obama sent a 'cut it out' message to the Kremlin following which interference quietened down. No more ifs, buts, and maybes ,just evidence please. As for hacking, do you really believe that the USA doesn't hack the Russians.? Spying in all its forms is as old as the hills.
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"Working class" is out of date and well past its sell by date. I'm working class, got a problem with that granddad?
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Nobody gives a damn about the working class, although many have often found it profitable to pretend to. The latest example being the Brexit mob, although as a working class Brit I don't recall Farrage and co asking permission to speak on my behalf, in fact I would very much prefer it if they didn't. Out of touch elitists eh?
"Working class" is out of date and well past its sell by date. With more and more young people getting degrees in education with so many going to university and higher education from all strata's of society , doesn't working class apply to everyone who goes out to work for a living, no matter how they are termed or identified as a group. Can the footballer earning many thousands a week and living in a big house with a Ferrari and a range Rover in his drive, be termed working class along with his house cleaner on £400 a week. Do they use such out of date terminology in the USA or across the EU? Are those in retirement no longer working class?
Blue collar workers in the states. There is a distinct demograph who can be described as working class but nsny blurry lines at the edges
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I take it you don't like his rhetoric? Problem is that he is the result of years of clueless politicians who use better or more acceptable (to you) but where and still are incompetent fools. For years the liberals have been demonising anyone who questions their view of the world , telling the people who's wages are stagnating, cannot buy or rent a house and see the prospect of secure job fading that they are racists when they point out that thousands of migrants are the problem (or at least part of it). While people feel alienated in their own towns dare to suggest a monoculture is the answer, the liberal left scream xenophobia and tell us it's multiculturalism or racism. Ring any bells? The false outrage of the liberal left has been ignored by the people who the lefties expect to pay for their political wet dreams. You had it coming and now it's come.
Nobody gives a damn about the working class, although many have often found it profitable to pretend to. The latest example being the Brexit mob, although as a working class Brit I don't recall Farrage and co asking permission to speak on my behalf, in fact I would very much prefer it if they didn't. Out of touch elitists eh?
The Brexit mob are the millions who voted to leave the EU. Your point is ?
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Who is HL Menchen, and what is his authority based on? You are allowed to speak and think without getting permission you know, you do know, right?
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The Brexit mob are the millions who voted to leave the EU. Your point is ? Two million of them will be dead by 2020 and the ones who couldn't compete with semi literate Latvian's will still be struggling to get work?
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The Brexit mob are the millions who voted to leave the EU. Your point is ?
Two million of them will be dead by 2020 and the ones who couldn't compete with semi literate Latvian's will still be struggling to get work?
Thank you for sharing your fantasies with us. Mr Putin reckons you sometimes get it wrong.
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Well if you refuse to look at the evidence before your eyes and refuse to answer the questions posed, then you were not paying attention to begin with.
What are you waffling on about? Why are you being so obtuse ?
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What are you waffling on about?
Why are you being so obtuse ?
You first
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Nobody gives a damn about the working class, although many have often found it profitable to pretend to. The latest example being the Brexit mob, although as a working class Brit I don't recall Farrage and co asking permission to speak on my behalf, in fact I would very much prefer it if they didn't. Out of touch elitists eh?
The Brexit mob are the millions who voted to leave the EU. Your point is ? The Brexit mob i was referring to are the leaders of the leave campaign.
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The Brexit mob are the millions who voted to leave the EU. Your point is ?
The Brexit mob i was referring to are the leaders of the leave campaign.
Well as you say nobody gived damn about the working class. The majority of voters agreed with the brexit mob and the minority agreed with the other mob who dont give a damn about the working class either
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